Is this common female Ram behaviour ?

Hello there dear Rams,

There is this female Ram, whom I had befriended over a few projects of mine. She is a bit younger than I am. When she heard of my project, and I asked her to be apart of it. She was very enthusiastic to participate. We had organised to do it a week later. I kept in touch, she kept always changing up what she said about her available, her schedule etc (even when she promised me she would be able to make it that week). Then she went missing in action, therefore a week later I prompted another message to see if she still wished to be involved.

Again, she would view my messages and it would take a few days before she would respond. She apologised profusely, explaining herself, telling me that she had just moved houses etc. Granted, if she knew she was moving houses and packing. She most certainly could have told me the week before, so as to not leave me hanging. Rarely does anyone go through such an upheaval last minute. Instead, silence. However, since she seemingly apologised rather sincerely, I gave her a chance. She told me she would be available the week after the next.

Keep in mind we are now three weeks from the time in which I had asked her to be a part of my project. She took my chance seriously, and let me know a week in advance of her new schedule. We set a date. All seemed well. Until the day of, she woke up late (T - 1 hour to our appointment time), wrote me to tell me so and that she would prepare herself to arrive. At worst, I expected her to be late by fifteen minutes.



30 minutes ... I still heard nothing. I wrote her, asking if she was hungry, advising her to eat before our appointment. I do not want my project disrupted with her running off for food.

45 minutes ... She told me she finally left home, granted where she lived to get to our location for the day. By train, it takes at most half an hour. Though since she was late, she could have taken an uber or taxi in which she would have been there in around fifteen minutes.

90 minutes ... Utterly silence. Finally, I asked if she was taking the train or an uber / taxi. She told me the train, by which she should have long arrived already. I gave her directions to my place, in case she wastes more time wandering.

105 minutes ... She told me she was near by, gave me her GPS screenshot. Asking for the specific address, the very address I gave her a few days before and confirmed with her again, the day before as well!

120 minutes ... At last, she arrives.



By that time, I had already waited so long, and because of the location. I could not leave to eat, there was no energy left in me to argue with her. My focus was on not fainting due to hunger. Though I wanted to create conflict over this, but there was work to be done. I had to remain concentrated, being fuelled by caffeine and adrenaline. We continued with the project. She apologised profusely all the time, explaining herself, but then had the audacity to tell me by the time she was up she had to leisurely pull herself awake first from bed, relaxing to make coffee / breakfast. All the while knowing, she will be late!

We finished the project far later than expected, she had promised drinks and dinner with me afterwards as thanks. Not only did she leave me hanging, she suddenly told me her friends from Italy was still in town and they wanted to meet again. Too tired to care, I told her to go. Before she went though, she told me the following week, when she would be free. She wanted to go enjoy a few drinks with me, I said I would let her know.

She took pictures of us during the entire project, which she said she would forward to me. She never did. Granted, I was seemingly quite soft with her during the day because I was too focused on staving my hunger to have the energy to fight with her. Normally, I would be been irritated, pissed, and disrespected enough to sting her a little.



I sent her the finished product from the project. She not only did not thank me, she also never apologised for exhausting me that day. Angered, I wrote her calmly stating that next time she should not keep me waiting two hours, and told her it left me very exhausted. The day after, I was still recovering. Rather firmly I explained the situation from my side. It seems she felt no remorse. All I received was silence. During our project time, she shared quite a bit about herself, she was also enthusiastic about meeting me again for a nice meal / drinks. Even initiated the fact that she wanted to invite me to her new home once she has settled in. To make and have dinner together, wine etc.



The day before our supposed meet up for drinks, I messaged her to see if it was still happening. She kept providing excuses, and provided me another date. I did not bother responding, though I did happen to visit her place of work because I was passing by. She was surprised to see me, asking why I did not tell her I would appear. I looked at her quizzically, since when did I have to explain myself and let her know my whereabouts. A Stinger woman will appear when she wishes to appear, depending on her mood.

Granted, she told me she is horrible with time keeping, always late for everything in life except professionally. Fair and well, however, from what she has done she quite obviously places me very low on her priority list. I know she has struggled with anxiety and deep depression in the past, most likely still do in some capacity.



So with everything that has happened ...

What would be your advice and how do I understand this Ram ?

Why even bother consistently wishing to be my friend ?

Her actions / choices show otherwise, yet her words / delayed responses seems to show she does want it ?

Why even bother trying to understand her?

Posted by AriesJo
Why even bother trying to understand her?

Good question, @AriesJo.

After I wrote it, I realise I needed to vent her disrespect more than advice itself. 😆

Posted by AnotherTaurusGuyReturns
Was it @smidge?

No @AnotherTaurusGuyReturns, she is far too good to have been the female Ram that I have been dealing with.

Posted by bmoon8
I think she has good intentions with you, but just isn't reliable nor trustworthy to carry them through. She's flakey. I would never do another project with her again. Iam sorry that you were hungry and staving off your hunger just waiting for her to arrive and that you had no energy to fight with her. That's awful. She isn't considerate and just seems to be patronizing you.

Yes @bmoon8, I will never do another project with her again. In fact, she still owes me a few items of mine from the day in which I still have yet to receive back from her. At worst, I may send her a bill and she would have to pay for them. Especially if she does not wilfully arrange for their collection.

It turns out her intentions were far from good. She got close to me only in an attempt to figure out where I stood with the Ram gent. To decipher how much importance I had in his life, as she most likely had or still has feelings for him even though she is his subordinate. She has since been possessively making attempts to wrangle him into a commitment. Thus far, it has backfired because he has become very irritated with her. If she only understood that, the more she tries to pin him down the quicker she is to light his fires, and cause him to explode on her in an ugly conflict.

In further situations, she disrespected my time further by late responses, stood me up for other leisurely appointments, followed by outrageous excuses, and rude comments. As of now, I have cut her out of my life. Not entirely, but merely keeping the channel open only so she could reach me for those items mentioned above.

I did not mean for anyone to actually take the time to read what I had written after I realised how ridiculously long it was. Therefore, truly @bmoon8 you have been really generous and kind to have not only read it but responded so thoughtfully as well. Thank you. If this female Ram was half as polite and good as you, it would have been a worthwhile friendship.

Posted by WolfInRamsClothing
Can you just get rid of her? Lol.

Precisely what I did @WolfInRamsClothing, after venting through those long written paragraphs. 😆

Posted by bmoon8

Posted by TheLadyScorpio

Posted by bmoon8
I think she has good intentions with you, but just isn't reliable nor trustworthy to carry them through. She's flakey. I would never do another project with her again. Iam sorry that you were hungry and staving off your hunger just waiting for her to arrive and that you had no energy to fight with her. That's awful. She isn't considerate and just seems to be patronizing you.

Yes @bmoon8, I will never do another project with her again. In fact, she still owes me a few items of mine from the day in which I still have yet to receive back from her. At worst, I may send her a bill and she would have to pay for them. Especially if she does not wilfully arrange for their collection.

It turns out her intentions were far from good. She got close to me only in an attempt to figure out where I stood with the Ram gent. To decipher how much importance I had in his life, as she most likely had or still has feelings for him even though she is his subordinate. She has since been possessively making attempts to wrangle him into a commitment. Thus far, it has backfired because he has become very irritated with her. If she only understood that, the more she tries to pin him down the quicker she is to light his fires, and cause him to explode on her in an ugly conflict.

In further situations, she disrespected my time further by late responses, stood me up for other leisurely appointments, followed by outrageous excuses, and rude comments. As of now, I have cut her out of my life. Not entirely, but merely keeping the channel open only so she could reach me for those items mentioned above.

I did not mean for anyone to actually take the time to read what I had written after I realised how ridiculously long it was. Therefore, truly @bmoon8 you have been really generous and kind to have not only read it but responded so thoughtfully as well. Thank you. If this female Ram was half as polite and good as you, it would have been a worthwhile friendship. click to expand

Wow. Well, since she is operating out of duplicitous means and doesn't have honest or good intentions, you're doing the right thing by cutting her off. It would be awesome to be a fly on a wall watching/hearing what plays out between her and the Ram gent, I got to admit. click to expand

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Well, I took a complete step back and let her engulf herself around the Ram gent. Recently, when we saw each other, the Ram gent and I. He chose to share with me his thoughts of her and vehemently spoke of his dislike for her as his subordinate. Running through a very thorough list of precisely why he though she was not suited for the role. Keep in mind, I never asked, questioned, nor brought her up. When a Ram gent is blunt, bloody hell is it blunt, no filters, no veils. Which was why I knew she was wearing him thin with her antics. He had not a single kind word for her.

Previously, I had already told her he is a not a man to be suffocated, she would not listen nor believe me. The more you let him roam, if and when he is ready, the higher the likelihood of him returning to you, and committing. She never understood that in her impulsive, self absorbed, ego driven, and selfish ways. You are not alone in your curiosity, I would have loved to have been a fly on a wall and watch/hear what plays out between them as well. Merely the dynamics of it fascinates me, of two different Rams with very similar placements. 😆

Posted by bmoon8

Posted by TheLadyScorpio

Posted by bmoon8

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Posted by bmoon8
I think she has good intentions with you, but just isn't reliable nor trustworthy to carry them through. She's flakey. I would never do another project with her again. Iam sorry that you were hungry and staving off your hunger just waiting for her to arrive and that you had no energy to fight with her. That's awful. She isn't considerate and just seems to be patronizing you.

Yes @bmoon8, I will never do another project with her again. In fact, she still owes me a few items of mine from the day in which I still have yet to receive back from her. At worst, I may send her a bill and she would have to pay for them. Especially if she does not wilfully arrange for their collection.

It turns out her intentions were far from good. She got close to me only in an attempt to figure out where I stood with the Ram gent. To decipher how much importance I had in his life, as she most likely had or still has feelings for him even though she is his subordinate. She has since been possessively making attempts to wrangle him into a commitment. Thus far, it has backfired because he has become very irritated with her. If she only understood that, the more she tries to pin him down the quicker she is to light his fires, and cause him to explode on her in an ugly conflict.

In further situations, she disrespected my time further by late responses, stood me up for other leisurely appointments, followed by outrageous excuses, and rude comments. As of now, I have cut her out of my life. Not entirely, but merely keeping the channel open only so she could reach me for those items mentioned above.

I did not mean for anyone to actually take the time to read what I had written after I realised how ridiculously long it was. Therefore, truly @bmoon8 you have been really generous and kind to have not only read it but responded so thoughtfully as well. Thank you. If this female Ram was half as polite and good as you, it would have been a worthwhile friendship. click to expand

Wow. Well, since she is operating out of duplicitous means and doesn't have honest or good intentions, you're doing the right thing by cutting her off. It would be awesome to be a fly on a wall watching/hearing what plays out between her and the Ram gent, I got to admit. click to expand

Well, I took a complete step back and let her engulf herself around the Ram gent. Recently, when we saw each other, the Ram gent and I. He chose to share with me his thoughts of her and vehemently spoke of his dislike for her as his subordinate. Running through a very thorough list of precisely why he though she was not suited for the role. Keep in mind, I never asked, questioned, nor brought her up. When a Ram gent is blunt, bloody hell is it blunt, no filters, no veils. Which was why I knew she was wearing him thin with her antics. He had not a single kind word for her.

Previously, I had already told her he is a not a man to be suffocated, she would not listen nor believe me. The more you let him roam, if and when he is ready, the higher the likelihood of him returning to you, and committing. She never understood that in her impulsive, self absorbed, ego driven, and selfish ways. You are not alone in your curiosity, I would have loved to have been a fly on a wall and watch/hear what plays out between them as well. Merely the dynamics of it fascinates me, of two different Rams with very similar placements. click to expand

Wow. Well, 2 Rams either get along or butt heads with each other. Sounds like they're butting heads and she has really gotten on his nerves. She's in for a rude awakening!! Wait until he tells her his list of reasons why she isn't suited for the role. Her job is on the line and she better start doing her job a lot better. click to expand

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Well @bmoon8, suddenly she is on a one week leave from what he told me but I do not exactly know as to why nor did I ask. He has begun to refer to her only by her job title as well, even though we both know her name. Strange, quite strange indeed.

I thought they got along before, it looked like they did but apparently it was not so. Previously, she was far less blatant in chasing after him, but once I entered the picture. It lit her fires, and she saw it as a challenge to win him over. After all, she did confess to me that she enjoys taken men to a degree. To be able to be that woman, that entices a man away from their wives etc. Even though, he was not technically mine, but she did not like the attention he gave me. Initially, she thought I was his SO, from the way he spoke of me I suppose, therefore she kept her distance. Once she knew that was not the case, as I told her so, everything changed.

He sees her as a hinderance, he told me she is not beneficial to me, affecting my performance with her incapabilities and that she may cause me to not be able to achieve my promotion in due time. Her work is lacking in quality and does not support me well in my projects etc. He was quite severe and harsh. She even though complains about him, she almost always compliments him as well. He did not, for her.

I was rather shocked. Firstly, because I did not expect him to share that with me, since I am a woman who minds my own business. Secondly, because he was very blunt and harsh.

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Posted by TheLadyScorpio

Posted by bmoon8

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Posted by TheLadyScorpio

Posted by bmoon8
I think she has good intentions with you, but just isn't reliable nor trustworthy to carry them through. She's flakey. I would never do another project with her again. Iam sorry that you were hungry and staving off your hunger just waiting for her to arrive and that you had no energy to fight with her. That's awful. She isn't considerate and just seems to be patronizing you.

Yes @bmoon8, I will never do another project with her again. In fact, she still owes me a few items of mine from the day in which I still have yet to receive back from her. At worst, I may send her a bill and she would have to pay for them. Especially if she does not wilfully arrange for their collection.

It turns out her intentions were far from good. She got close to me only in an attempt to figure out where I stood with the Ram gent. To decipher how much importance I had in his life, as she most likely had or still has feelings for him even though she is his subordinate. She has since been possessively making attempts to wrangle him into a commitment. Thus far, it has backfired because he has become very irritated with her. If she only understood that, the more she tries to pin him down the quicker she is to light his fires, and cause him to explode on her in an ugly conflict.

In further situations, she disrespected my time further by late responses, stood me up for other leisurely appointments, followed by outrageous excuses, and rude comments. As of now, I have cut her out of my life. Not entirely, but merely keeping the channel open only so she could reach me for those items mentioned above.

I did not mean for anyone to actually take the time to read what I had written after I realised how ridiculously long it was. Therefore, truly @bmoon8 you have been really generous and kind to have not only read it but responded so thoughtfully as well. Thank you. If this female Ram was half as polite and good as you, it would have been a worthwhile friendship. click to expand

Wow. Well, since she is operating out of duplicitous means and doesn't have honest or good intentions, you're doing the right thing by cutting her off. It would be awesome to be a fly on a wall watching/hearing what plays out between her and the Ram gent, I got to admit. click to expand

Well, I took a complete step back and let her engulf herself around the Ram gent. Recently, when we saw each other, the Ram gent and I. He chose to share with me his thoughts of her and vehemently spoke of his dislike for her as his subordinate. Running through a very thorough list of precisely why he though she was not suited for the role. Keep in mind, I never asked, questioned, nor brought her up. When a Ram gent is blunt, bloody hell is it blunt, no filters, no veils. Which was why I knew she was wearing him thin with her antics. He had not a single kind word for her.

Previously, I had already told her he is a not a man to be suffocated, she would not listen nor believe me. The more you let him roam, if and when he is ready, the higher the likelihood of him returning to you, and committing. She never understood that in her impulsive, self absorbed, ego driven, and selfish ways. You are not alone in your curiosity, I would have loved to have been a fly on a wall and watch/hear what plays out between them as well. Merely the dynamics of it fascinates me, of two different Rams with very similar placements. click to expand

Wow. Well, 2 Rams either get along or butt heads with each other. Sounds like they're butting heads and she has really gotten on his nerves. She's in for a rude awakening!! Wait until he tells her his list of reasons why she isn't suited for the role. Her job is on the line and she better start doing her job a lot better. click to expand

Well @bmoon8, suddenly she is on a one week leave from what he told me but I do not exactly know as to why nor did I ask. He has begun to refer to her only by her job title as well, even though we both know her name. Strange, quite strange indeed.

I thought they got along before, it looked like they did but apparently it was not so. Previously, she was far less blatant in chasing after him, but once I entered the picture. It lit her fires, and she saw it as a challenge to win him over. After all, she did confess to me that she enjoys taken men to a degree. To be able to be that woman, that entices a man away from their wives etc. Even though, he was not technically mine, but she did not like the attention he gave me. Initially, she thought I was his SO, from the way he spoke of me I suppose, therefore she kept her distance. Once she knew that was not the case, as I told her so, everything changed.

He sees her as a hinderance, he told me she is not beneficial to me, affecting my performance with her incapabilities and that she may cause me to not be able to achieve my promotion in due time. Her work is lacking in quality and does not support me well in my projects etc. He was quite severe and harsh. She even though complains about him, she almost always compliments him as well. He did not, for her.

I was rather shocked. Firstly, because I did not expect him to share that with me, since I am a woman who minds my own business. Secondly, because he was very blunt and harsh. click to expand

Can you post her chart, please?

And yuck to her lack of morals and respect towards married or committed couples. I don't expect her to last too much longer. I worked for a Ram gent before. He was one of the best Supervisors I ever worked for, and yes, they can be blunt and harsh. Very exacting. click to expand

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Ram Sun

Libra Moon

Ram Mercury

Ram Venus

Mermaid Mars

They share the same Sun / Mercury / Venus.

@bmoon8

If you want her full chart, I would have to find her birth date again. 🙂

@bmoon8 - Was you last post intended to be a link or an image ?