
but he was in love with her?

Posted by LadyNeptuneHaha that's funny! No that isn't the case. You are way off point with this sexual manipulation theory. Neither of us is great at communicating we both avoid confrontation in favor of peace but we are both honest and we are both direct when we actually talk.Posted by Inloveagain24Have you considered the possibility that he might have asked his family member to tell you he has an std. Perhaps in the hope that you will stop sexually manipulating him...?Posted by jeaneOkay so no, she disappeared right away. She was pissed that he wouldn't have her over and honestly I think it was easier for him to avoid her than me. She was an easy flirtatious and a distraction from life. After he said he wouldn't have her over he quit even talking to her within a week. He never slept with her. And I know because one of his family members told me.
i have a question. is he still with this other woman? you both said no sex before marriage but he is sleeping with her?
sorry, that's two questions.
oh, one more; how did you find out about his std if he didn't tell you?
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Posted by Inloveagain24i think if you are both honest and direct when you talk, you should ask him and then that should clear up any confusion you currently have.Posted by LadyNeptuneHaha that's funny! No that isn't the case. You are way off point with this sexual manipulation theory. Neither of us is great at communicating we both avoid confrontation in favor of peace but we are both honest and we are both direct when we actually talk.Posted by Inloveagain24Have you considered the possibility that he might have asked his family member to tell you he has an std. Perhaps in the hope that you will stop sexually manipulating him...?Posted by jeaneOkay so no, she disappeared right away. She was pissed that he wouldn't have her over and honestly I think it was easier for him to avoid her than me. She was an easy flirtatious and a distraction from life. After he said he wouldn't have her over he quit even talking to her within a week. He never slept with her. And I know because one of his family members told me.
i have a question. is he still with this other woman? you both said no sex before marriage but he is sleeping with her?
sorry, that's two questions.
oh, one more; how did you find out about his std if he didn't tell you?
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Posted by Inloveagain24So he doesn't pay rent.Posted by LadyNeptuneYeah no. I guess I should have said that right away. He has, but he has been without a job for two months now. When he was working he was paying half of everything. Pretty much giving me all his money. Even his last paycheck when he knew he was fired he gave almost the whole thing to me for bills and buying house stuff. But since he got fired he has been really depressed. He should have a job this week though. He has been interviewing. I know that puts a spin on things! But he has family and friends he could easily live with and has all his comforts. I have asked him if he is using me and he has said no that he feels guilty staying and not contributing, he hates where he is in life right now but he doesn't want to run away like he always does.
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Posted by LadyNeptunecouldn't have said it better.Posted by Inloveagain24So he doesn't pay rent.Posted by LadyNeptuneYeah no. I guess I should have said that right away. He has, but he has been without a job for two months now. When he was working he was paying half of everything. Pretty much giving me all his money. Even his last paycheck when he knew he was fired he gave almost the whole thing to me for bills and buying house stuff. But since he got fired he has been really depressed. He should have a job this week though. He has been interviewing. I know that puts a spin on things! But he has family and friends he could easily live with and has all his comforts. I have asked him if he is using me and he has said no that he feels guilty staying and not contributing, he hates where he is in life right now but he doesn't want to run away like he always does.
Does he pay rent?
Meaning when you make demands of his person (the hand jobs) he feels like he can't say no.
When you tell him you love him he can't be open with you about how he really feels for fear of your reaction.
When you demanded he cut ties with his gf or you would move him out he crumbled under your threats.
Just because he has friends and family doesn't mean he wants or can live with them. Just because he is kind to your children doesn't mean he wants to be with you romantically. How you are manipulating him is scary and just straight out creepy.
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Posted by jeane"In love" yes. He can fall in love in five minutes but its not the same as loving someone. It's surface. The high of attraction and possibilities. I'm a cancer and my home is important. I wasn't okay with feeling inadequate in my own home and I told him that honestly. I asked him to go to her home instead, I told him how I felt. He apologized and I got the feeling my emotions kind of shocked him out of his idiot state in regards to her considering he seemed okay with her disappearance. I'm not sure exactly what happened because I never asked but I didn't see her again.Posted by Inloveagain24but he was in love with her?Posted by jeaneOkay so no, she disappeared right away. She was pissed that he wouldn't have her over and honestly I think it was easier for him to avoid her than me. She was an easy flirtatious and a distraction from life. After he said he wouldn't have her over he quit even talking to her within a week. He never slept with her. And I know because one of his family members told me.
i have a question. is he still with this other woman? you both said no sex before marriage but he is sleeping with her?
sorry, that's two questions.
oh, one more; how did you find out about his std if he didn't tell you?
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Posted by jeaneOh my gosh people. First of all even just with massages he aways asks first. Then I always try to be done and he asks me for more. Multiple times.Posted by LadyNeptunecouldn't have said it better.Posted by Inloveagain24So he doesn't pay rent.Posted by LadyNeptune
Does he pay rent?
Yeah no. I guess I should have said that right away. He has, but he has been without a job for two months now. When he was working he was paying half of everything. Pretty much giving me all his money. Even his last paycheck when he knew he was fired he gave almost the whole thing to me for bills and buying house stuff. But since he got fired he has been really depressed. He should have a job this week though. He has been interviewing. I know that puts a spin on things! But he has family and friends he could easily live with and has all his comforts. I have asked him if he is using me and he has said no that he feels guilty staying and not contributing, he hates where he is in life right now but he doesn't want to run away like he always does.
Meaning when you make demands of his person (the hand jobs) he feels like he can't say no.
When you tell him you love him he can't be open with you about how he really feels for fear of your reaction.
When you demanded he cut ties with his gf or you would move him out he crumbled under your threats.
Just because he has friends and family doesn't mean he wants or can live with them. Just because he is kind to your children doesn't mean he wants to be with you romantically. How you are manipulating him is scary and just straight out creepy.
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Posted by Inloveagain24Just because you never saw her again in and around your home does not mean she disapeared from his life.Posted by jeane"In love" yes. He can fall in love in five minutes but its not the same as loving someone. It's surface. The high of attraction and possibilities. I'm a cancer and my home is important. I wasn't okay with feeling inadequate in my own home and I told him that honestly. I asked him to go to her home instead, I told him how I felt. He apologized and I got the feeling my emotions kind of shocked him out of his idiot state in regards to her considering he seemed okay with her disappearance. I'm not sure exactly what happened because I never asked but I didn't see her again.Posted by Inloveagain24but he was in love with her?Posted by jeaneOkay so no, she disappeared right away. She was pissed that he wouldn't have her over and honestly I think it was easier for him to avoid her than me. She was an easy flirtatious and a distraction from life. After he said he wouldn't have her over he quit even talking to her within a week. He never slept with her. And I know because one of his family members told me.
i have a question. is he still with this other woman? you both said no sex before marriage but he is sleeping with her?
sorry, that's two questions.
oh, one more; how did you find out about his std if he didn't tell you?
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Posted by tizianiI still don't agree that I'm being a predator in any way. I'm not even trying to get him to date me. I was purposefully distancing myself but he didn't like that. I'm just trying to understand what he is thinking. Then I can decide to keep being here for him or if I should move to my own place. Honestly I was ready to hold that conversation with him when he started asking for the more intimate massages.
Stop being a predator before it bites you back in a big way. This is how you do permanent emotional and mental damage to someone's life, taking advantage of them in this way.
Posted by LadyNeptuneBut see I live with him and he never left home. He was hanging out watching movies with me every night and not even using his phone. Also I know people who know her so I can very assuredly tell you he stopped seeing her.Posted by Inloveagain24Just because you never saw her again in and around your home does not mean she disapeared from his life.Posted by jeane"In love" yes. He can fall in love in five minutes but its not the same as loving someone. It's surface. The high of attraction and possibilities. I'm a cancer and my home is important. I wasn't okay with feeling inadequate in my own home and I told him that honestly. I asked him to go to her home instead, I told him how I felt. He apologized and I got the feeling my emotions kind of shocked him out of his idiot state in regards to her considering he seemed okay with her disappearance. I'm not sure exactly what happened because I never asked but I didn't see her again.Posted by Inloveagain24but he was in love with her?Posted by jeaneOkay so no, she disappeared right away. She was pissed that he wouldn't have her over and honestly I think it was easier for him to avoid her than me. She was an easy flirtatious and a distraction from life. After he said he wouldn't have her over he quit even talking to her within a week. He never slept with her. And I know because one of his family members told me.
i have a question. is he still with this other woman? you both said no sex before marriage but he is sleeping with her?
sorry, that's two questions.
oh, one more; how did you find out about his std if he didn't tell you?
It's far more likely that he said whatever he needed to say to your face to not be kicked out by you, all the while continuing to see and sex her.
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Posted by Inloveagain24would they give him hand jobs?
I know for a fact he can live with his family and he can very happily and comfortably live with them they would love it. He has friends asking him to move in with them or live with them rent free. He is making the choice not to go anywhere.
Posted by jeaneThe problem is starting the talk. We both avoid difficult topics. Which on one hand means that we have a very peaceful home life. But on the other hand I'm in limbo and don't know what to do for my living situation. I'm trying to bring myself to initiate a conversation because I know it would fix everything.Posted by Inloveagain24i think if you are both honest and direct when you talk, you should ask him and then that should clear up any confusion you currently have.Posted by LadyNeptuneHaha that's funny! No that isn't the case. You are way off point with this sexual manipulation theory. Neither of us is great at communicating we both avoid confrontation in favor of peace but we are both honest and we are both direct when we actually talk.Posted by Inloveagain24Have you considered the possibility that he might have asked his family member to tell you he has an std. Perhaps in the hope that you will stop sexually manipulating him...?Posted by jeaneOkay so no, she disappeared right away. She was pissed that he wouldn't have her over and honestly I think it was easier for him to avoid her than me. She was an easy flirtatious and a distraction from life. After he said he wouldn't have her over he quit even talking to her within a week. He never slept with her. And I know because one of his family members told me.
i have a question. is he still with this other woman? you both said no sex before marriage but he is sleeping with her?
sorry, that's two questions.
oh, one more; how did you find out about his std if he didn't tell you?
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Posted by Inloveagain24Posted by jeaneOkay so no, she disappeared right away. She was pissed that he wouldn't have her over and honestly I think it was easier for him to avoid her than me. She was an easy flirtatious and a distraction from life. After he said he wouldn't have her over he quit even talking to her within a week. He never slept with her. And I know because one of his family members told me.
i have a question. is he still with this other woman? you both said no sex before marriage but he is sleeping with her?
sorry, that's two questions.
oh, one more; how did you find out about his std if he didn't tell you?
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Posted by jeaneNo. But I thought I was forcing those on him and manipulating him, and he'd be happy to be free of me ;-pPosted by Inloveagain24would they give him hand jobs?
I know for a fact he can live with his family and he can very happily and comfortably live with them they would love it. He has friends asking him to move in with them or live with them rent free. He is making the choice not to go anywhere.
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Posted by Inloveagain24You don't know anything for sure...Posted by LadyNeptuneBut see I live with him and he never left home. He was hanging out watching movies with me every night and not even using his phone. Also I know people who know her so I can very assuredly tell you he stopped seeing her.Posted by Inloveagain24Just because you never saw her again in and around your home does not mean she disapeared from his life.Posted by jeane"In love" yes. He can fall in love in five minutes but its not the same as loving someone. It's surface. The high of attraction and possibilities. I'm a cancer and my home is important. I wasn't okay with feeling inadequate in my own home and I told him that honestly. I asked him to go to her home instead, I told him how I felt. He apologized and I got the feeling my emotions kind of shocked him out of his idiot state in regards to her considering he seemed okay with her disappearance. I'm not sure exactly what happened because I never asked but I didn't see her again.Posted by Inloveagain24but he was in love with her?Posted by jeaneOkay so no, she disappeared right away. She was pissed that he wouldn't have her over and honestly I think it was easier for him to avoid her than me. She was an easy flirtatious and a distraction from life. After he said he wouldn't have her over he quit even talking to her within a week. He never slept with her. And I know because one of his family members told me.
i have a question. is he still with this other woman? you both said no sex before marriage but he is sleeping with her?
sorry, that's two questions.
oh, one more; how did you find out about his std if he didn't tell you?
It's far more likely that he said whatever he needed to say to your face to not be kicked out by you, all the while continuing to see and sex her.
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He said he would move out if he couldn't have her over - I told him I'd help him pack.
He then backpedaled and said that actually he didn't want to move out he was 'bluffing' and he wouldn't have her over until I was okay with it.click to expand

Posted by Inloveagain24sounds like you know the solution. i don't know what we can tell you about his feelings that he wouldn't be better at doing.
The problem is starting the talk. We both avoid difficult topics. Which on one hand means that we have a very peaceful home life. But on the other hand I'm in limbo and don't know what to do for my living situation. I'm trying to bring myself to initiate a conversation because I know it would fix everything.
Posted by LadyNeptuneNo those were separate sentences. I know that he didn't sleep with her because he told me he didn't and i believe him. (People are honest sometimes. They really are.)Posted by Inloveagain24Posted by jeaneOkay so no, she disappeared right away. She was pissed that he wouldn't have her over and honestly I think it was easier for him to avoid her than me. She was an easy flirtatious and a distraction from life. After he said he wouldn't have her over he quit even talking to her within a week. He never slept with her. And I know because one of his family members told me.
i have a question. is he still with this other woman? you both said no sex before marriage but he is sleeping with her?
sorry, that's two questions.
oh, one more; how did you find out about his std if he didn't tell you?
The same family member who told you about his std? Who is this family member and why do they have so much Intel on him if he never leaves your couch...?
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Posted by Inloveagain24i agree with everyone here. there are clear boundary issues being crossed. you're taking advantage of the situation and so is he.Posted by jeaneNo. But I thought I was forcing those on him and manipulating him, and he'd be happy to be free of me ;-pPosted by Inloveagain24would they give him hand jobs?
I know for a fact he can live with his family and he can very happily and comfortably live with them they would love it. He has friends asking him to move in with them or live with them rent free. He is making the choice not to go anywhere.
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Posted by Inloveagain24Unless you never leave home yourself then you can't make that claim.Posted by LadyNeptuneBut see I live with him and he never left home. He was hanging out watching movies with me every night and not even using his phone. Also I know people who know her so I can very assuredly tell you he stopped seeing her.Posted by Inloveagain24Just because you never saw her again in and around your home does not mean she disapeared from his life.Posted by jeane"In love" yes. He can fall in love in five minutes but its not the same as loving someone. It's surface. The high of attraction and possibilities. I'm a cancer and my home is important. I wasn't okay with feeling inadequate in my own home and I told him that honestly. I asked him to go to her home instead, I told him how I felt. He apologized and I got the feeling my emotions kind of shocked him out of his idiot state in regards to her considering he seemed okay with her disappearance. I'm not sure exactly what happened because I never asked but I didn't see her again.Posted by Inloveagain24but he was in love with her?Posted by jeaneOkay so no, she disappeared right away. She was pissed that he wouldn't have her over and honestly I think it was easier for him to avoid her than me. She was an easy flirtatious and a distraction from life. After he said he wouldn't have her over he quit even talking to her within a week. He never slept with her. And I know because one of his family members told me.
i have a question. is he still with this other woman? you both said no sex before marriage but he is sleeping with her?
sorry, that's two questions.
oh, one more; how did you find out about his std if he didn't tell you?
It's far more likely that he said whatever he needed to say to your face to not be kicked out by you, all the while continuing to see and sex her.
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I promise I know. And I never said he had to leave if he dated. I just said I wasn't ready for her to be at my house. I told him if he really loved her I'd be very nice to her and that I was happy if he was happy. I told him that I would adjust and be okay eventfully. I'm the nicest most peaceful person you'll ever meet. I wasn't even mad at him I was in tears and couldn't breathe. But I was still trying to see past my emotions. And I meant what I said. I wasn't okay with her being in my home but if he loved her for real I'd be okay eventually for him because are friends, before any of the confusing stuff. He knew I was being honest and he didn't and doesn't feel manipulated. That's the last thing I am. I'm a huge bundle of emotions but other people's feelings come first.
You don't know anything for sure...
It's much more likely that they both told your mutual acquaintances the situation, that he will be homeless if you get wind that they are still together.

Posted by Inloveagain24You also said you would move him out of your house if he continued to bring her around. Your controlling how a grown ass man lives his life by threatening the roof over his head.I promise I know. And I never said he had to leave if he dated. I just said I wasn't ready for her to be at my house. I told him if he really loved her I'd be very nice to her and that I was happy if he was happy. I told him that I would adjust and be okay eventfully. I'm the nicest most peaceful person you'll ever meet. I wasn't even mad at him I was in tears and couldn't breathe. But I was still trying to see past my emotions. And I meant what I said. I wasn't okay with her being in my home but if he loved her for real I'd be okay eventually for him because are friends, before any of the confusing stuff. He knew I was being honest and he didn't and doesn't feel manipulated. That's the last thing I am. I'm a huge bundle of emotions but other people's feelings come first.
You don't know anything for sure...
It's much more likely that they both told your mutual acquaintances the situation, that he will be homeless if you get wind that they are still together.
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Posted by jeaneI never push into his life or question him. He questions me more than I do him. He usually talks about who he is talking to when he's using his phone of his own volition. I've never ever questioned. But if I use my phone he wants to know who I'm talking to and he'll straight up ask.Posted by Inloveagain24i agree with everyone here. there are clear boundary issues being crossed. you're taking advantage of the situation and so is he.Posted by jeaneNo. But I thought I was forcing those on him and manipulating him, and he'd be happy to be free of me ;-pPosted by Inloveagain24would they give him hand jobs?
I know for a fact he can live with his family and he can very happily and comfortably live with them they would love it. He has friends asking him to move in with them or live with them rent free. He is making the choice not to go anywhere.
he is enjoying living rent free with the free hand jobs thrown in. you are in the powerful position of hanging eviction over his head if he doesn't behave a certain way. you seem to have an awful lot of intimate information about him - who is seeing, what conversations he is having and his sexual health.
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Posted by LadyNeptuneYou really feel strongly about this don't you? I think we will just have to agree to disagree. I'm open-minded to being in the wrong but in this case I trust what I do know. I have some questions but my understanding of this part of the situation I trust.Posted by Inloveagain24You also said you would move him out of your house if he continued to bring her around. Your controlling how a grown ass man lives his life by threatening the roof over his head.I promise I know. And I never said he had to leave if he dated. I just said I wasn't ready for her to be at my house. I told him if he really loved her I'd be very nice to her and that I was happy if he was happy. I told him that I would adjust and be okay eventfully. I'm the nicest most peaceful person you'll ever meet. I wasn't even mad at him I was in tears and couldn't breathe. But I was still trying to see past my emotions. And I meant what I said. I wasn't okay with her being in my home but if he loved her for real I'd be okay eventually for him because are friends, before any of the confusing stuff. He knew I was being honest and he didn't and doesn't feel manipulated. That's the last thing I am. I'm a huge bundle of emotions but other people's feelings come first.
You don't know anything for sure...
It's much more likely that they both told your mutual acquaintances the situation, that he will be homeless if you get wind that they are still together.
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Posted by Inloveagain24you gossip with his family about him though?Posted by jeaneI never push into his life or question him. He questions me more than I do him. He usually talks about who he is talking to when he's using his phone of his own volition. I've never ever questioned. But if I use my phone he wants to know who I'm talking to and he'll straight up ask.Posted by Inloveagain24i agree with everyone here. there are clear boundary issues being crossed. you're taking advantage of the situation and so is he.Posted by jeaneNo. But I thought I was forcing those on him and manipulating him, and he'd be happy to be free of me ;-pPosted by Inloveagain24would they give him hand jobs?
I know for a fact he can live with his family and he can very happily and comfortably live with them they would love it. He has friends asking him to move in with them or live with them rent free. He is making the choice not to go anywhere.
he is enjoying living rent free with the free hand jobs thrown in. you are in the powerful position of hanging eviction over his head if he doesn't behave a certain way. you seem to have an awful lot of intimate information about him - who is seeing, what conversations he is having and his sexual health.
one thing is clear, it's fucked up.
And I have never ever held eviction over his head. That one time he brought it up first and I just agreed. I never would have suggested that I'm not an ultimatum type of person.
I can promise he's not worried about me kicking him out. He talks like we will be living together for years.
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Posted by Inloveagain24Very strongly. As strongly as one can when it comes to being entertained by a story an Internet stranger is telling.Posted by LadyNeptuneYou really feel strongly about this don't you? I think we will just have to agree to disagree. I'm open-minded to being in the wrong but in this case I trust what I do know. I have some questions but my understanding of this part of the situation I trust.Posted by Inloveagain24You also said you would move him out of your house if he continued to bring her around. Your controlling how a grown ass man lives his life by threatening the roof over his head.I promise I know. And I never said he had to leave if he dated. I just said I wasn't ready for her to be at my house. I told him if he really loved her I'd be very nice to her and that I was happy if he was happy. I told him that I would adjust and be okay eventfully. I'm the nicest most peaceful person you'll ever meet. I wasn't even mad at him I was in tears and couldn't breathe. But I was still trying to see past my emotions. And I meant what I said. I wasn't okay with her being in my home but if he loved her for real I'd be okay eventually for him because are friends, before any of the confusing stuff. He knew I was being honest and he didn't and doesn't feel manipulated. That's the last thing I am. I'm a huge bundle of emotions but other people's feelings come first.
You don't know anything for sure...
It's much more likely that they both told your mutual acquaintances the situation, that he will be homeless if you get wind that they are still together.
You also delude yourself by thinking you know what he feels. If that was true you wouldn't be here searching for clues for how he feels about you...
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