When the spell is broken (Page 2)

***I wonder if he will even say anything to me the day of? If he doesn't- then I won't be making any efforts to stay in touch with him. He has my number he can call when and if he's ready. It just sucks letting go of someone who you care so much about, but yet it hurts so much to hold on to someone who doesn't treat you the way you should be treated.***

CaperAries - he isn't mistreating you in any way according to what the two of you have. Sex - he is being distant because he senses you want more and he isn't ready for that. He is trying to be fair to you and he can tell you can no longer handle a casual relationship. No he won't speak to you at work, they don't take well to emotional talk and don't like to mix business with pleasure. He would be a different person if you were in a relationship, but you aren't.

***BTW- this will be the first guy who I was unable to win over. So I'm just hoping to God my out of sight out of mind tactics will work for me.***

It won't work. If he isn't emotionally available and he sees you want more it pushes them further away. Librans can be very capable of having unemotionally attached sex. He told you he isn't ready, there is really nothing you can do to persuade that. He isn't emotionally available right now, not to anyone. So let him go. If he wants a relationship with you later, he will find you, trust me.

Also, if he cares for you and still isn't ready he will still find you once he thinks your emotions have cooled down.

***Like really! Is there any way to get this man's attention once again?! I dunno what to do anymore he makes me feel inadequate. (Or however you spell it lol) If I call, or text I feel like an a $ $ . I'm just so intimidated by him cuz I never know what he's gonna say or do. Lately I just wait for him to say something which is usually some stupid little flirty joke that goes nowhere :-/***

The only attention you will get is sex and only when he wants it. He has told you he isn't ready for anything serious so why put yourself through it when you know you want more and can no longer just be his sex partner? Move on and get involved with someone who wants what you want. Seriously.

Doesn't it look weird to you Casper that you are asked to walk away by a group of non libra people? Even non air to begin with. It reminds me those camera men in India who claim to have expertise on shooting visual effects shots just because they have handled the camera for a set of lousy dance films.

I think you gotta re analyze the situation btween you and your Libra. Things btween libra aries is far different from things btween libra-scorp or libra-taurus. Those two are not even compatible with libra to begin with. If you try to see your situation through their experience, probably you will get a convincingly wrong version of truth.

Yeah you guys are right. All I can do is give him his space and time, and I believe one day if the timing is right and we are both single- he will be back. But right now all we have is asexual relationship and nothing more. But he is aware of my feelings for him and the ball is in his court.

Oh and Temple- no he has no idea that I'm leaving work. So I sure hope he says something to me! lol otherwise I will then realize he seriously doesn't give two craps about me and never did.

ok, the a-hole apparently sent my boyfriend a picture message from his phone. I got him a CD he wanted plus a canister of candy (Snickers, Reeses, Kit Kat, etc). Well the roommate took a picture of the canister and the card and sent it to my boyfriend with the caption " just dropped off some candy. I'm afraid to eat it."

What a jerk.

"I think you gotta re analyze the situation btween you and your Libra."

I agree what thelibran said . But first you may need a cool head to evaluate the whole thing. Do what you think is right for you . Remember that we have more inside us than the elements :fire ,water , earth , air or a sign like Libra ,Aries , Scorp .... There are so much things in this universe that one can hardly claim they know all . Good luck to all 🙂

HP, he is lower then a jerk but don't let it get to you. Your relationship is with your man not his roommate. The A-hole roommate has the emotional maturity of a 3rd grader.....there's nothing you can do about it except maybe find some humor in it. Tell him there was nothing in the candy to worry about...it would have been to obvious... but the CD was digitally altered and loaded with subliminal messages that might alter or affect his maturity and was done so subtley and professionally........ that he'll never know it or feel it......but those around him will notice a significant improvement. Then just smile!!!! LOL

***Doesn't it look weird to you Casper that you are asked to walk away by a group of non libra people? Even non air to begin with. It reminds me those camera men in India who claim to have expertise on shooting visual effects shots just because they have handled the camera for a set of lousy dance films.***

LoL!!! Casper - remember this is advice coming from a person who flew to stalk someone who didn't want to be with him!!! Don't get your feelings hurt like he did. The scorps and Taurus (by the way who is still in a relationship with a libra) are women who have dealt with libran men in relationships, and for myself a long compatible marriage for mose of our 8 years together. Remember thelibran hasn't been in a long relationship with any sign. He is also a libra male... LOL!!! They love when people chase them even when they know they won't or aren't ready to reciprocate. Be smart girl, which I know you will be being an Aries... Not that you aren't compatible with Librans, this one is just not emotionally available. I personally think you deserve the love and affection you give to be reciprocated. Life is short, be happy...

(((Hugs)))

***So I sure hope he says something to me! lol otherwise I will then realize he seriously doesn't give two craps about me and never did.***

This doesn't mean he never cared about you, just not ready for a relationship.

HP, what TJ said and also add... "You should be afraid to eat the candy since he made a natural air condiioner in their ceiling." Maybe he should give the candy away and join Jenny Craig... LOL!!!!

I called my mom and she said that the candy is pbly half gone with that boy's apparent appetite.

I had my mom laughing though, I told her that I should have taken those wrapped candies and replace them with those sugar free candies because sugar free candies when eaten in excess can cause a laxative affect. So I could be helping him lose weight while getting a little bit of sweet revenge on the side. 🙂

(( remember this is advice coming from a person who flew to stalk someone who didn't want to be with him!!! ))

what made you assume she didn't wanted to be with me? I hit the wrong girl. The real one is still chasing me and negotiating for a peaceful surrender. Now you know what makes libra get frustrated with Scorpio? They assume way too much. I have spend 3 years dancing with my gemini and chasing her. Been living in 5 diff countries since I left my scorpio. See how you assume totally wrong things?

I know more libra-aries couples than libra-scorpio cases. I know more Libras with ex Scorpios than current Scorpios. Can you guess why? Its only a passing stage. This is what happens when you have too many failed relationships. You try to convince yourself that it was all successful and you knew them very well. No. If you knew them very well, you would have never left them. If you were compatible, you would have never ever felt the need to ditch them. He is chasing you back because thats how we are. We prefer to stick back with our old ones than going through the same tiring process of chasing a new girl. Its too much of work.

A-Ha! So Librian your saying he WILL be back for more eventually cuz finding a new girl is too much of a hassle? If thats true then yeah- I can sit back and know he will be back for me :-)

There's never a guarantee he'll be back though....just don't sit and wait....get on with your life coz if you're waiting for Mr Right not now and may not be ever, you might be missing on Mr Right fullstop!!!!

Dont waste a year chasing one of these guys like I did....just enjoy your life and date who you wish.....again, life is too short to waste it waiting for a man, ANY man!!!

He may be back but he may not...dont ever forget that 🙂

****We prefer to stick back with our old ones than going through the same tiring process of chasing a new girl. Its too much of work.**** Well that explains perhaps why he came back looking for me and wanting the second chance. It wasn't as much work huh? Not exactly flattering when you put it that way Libran.

Chatz, you are right on all counts. I know he will be back again but I'm tired of his games and it really isn't going to work for me this way . I told him that before and I meant it. But I also believed all the things he said would change (that didn't) when he said he would prove it to me if we didn't break up. I've seen no proof and only an increase of his disappearance and non communication that was the problem to begin with. I'm in agreement with all of you for ending this romantically and just trying to go back to being friends if we can. I'm already making myself available to new opportunities and intend to keep moving in a new direction BEFORE the new year commences.

Yes, the spell I was under has been broken. I see him differently now. I see myself differently too. I see there's going to be a lot of things changing rapidly. All good.

woooohooooo TJ...we're on the same page....I also have moved on from my Libran and it has been liberating and OMG there is no more frustration...I am with somebody who WANTS to call me everyday, he WANTS to see me, he cooks for me, takes me out, helps me with stuff as I with him and it did not take 9 months to invite me to HIS place (he did it within a week)...I realised today (yes this will actually shock you all)...over the past few weeks I have seen more of the new man (and yes he is a cappy, shock horror!!!) than I did of the Libran over a 12 month period....and when the going got tough?? the Libran couldn't run the opposite direction fast enough. I will always love him and he will never be forgotten but its over and I feel really good about it - took a while though eh— LOL

Happy New Year to you all and good riddins to 2007 - its been a horrible one personally.

Oooops but 2007 has ended oh so sweetly!!!

(( Not exactly flattering when you put it that way Libran. ))

It is not. Bcoz we made a mistake and took some time to realize it. Trick is to avoid making mistakes. But thats not just easy for one person. Both partners has to be well tuned into each other to avoid making any type of mistakes.

So how long does it generally take for a Libra to figure out AFTER a relationship is over before they realize their mistake and want to re-invest into fixing it? How does that tie into their disappearances. Do they realize all along the mistake(s) and vanish to figure out how to deal with it? Or is it the end result AFTER vanishing when they realize they've been gone too long and then want to pop back into the other persons life to remedy the problem with another chance? Is that a game with Libra's?

Few hours to few days. It become more obvious when we are checking out the next girl. We automatically start comparing our last relationship with the new one and figure out we just made a mistake.

***what made you assume she didn't wanted to be with me? I hit the wrong girl. The real one is still chasing me and negotiating for a peaceful surrender. Now you know what makes libra get frustrated with Scorpio? They assume way too much. I have spend 3 years dancing with my gemini and chasing her. Been living in 5 diff countries since I left my scorpio. See how you assume totally wrong things? ***

Look I am just going by your own posts... Not something I made up. Remeber LS, bought this same thing up in another post about you flying to see a girl who didn't want to be with you. Maybe now your story has changed, and I won't waste time looking for your story on this subject.

And you left your scorpio thinking all scorpio women are like her, hence she was stubborn and didn't want to take your advice - Scorps have minds of their own and don't mind taking advice if it makes sense to them. You have proven on this board that you think all of your ideas are the right ones for everyone or the answer to everyones problem rather than a suggestion. This will definitely piss a scorp off.

Who cares if you left her. I left every libran I have been involved with. Situations differ with different people you will need to accept this if you ever think you are going to get a close to perfect relationship in your lifetime.

***I know more libra-aries couples than libra-scorpio cases. I know more Libras with ex Scorpios than current Scorpios. Can you guess why? Its only a passing stage. This is what happens when you have too many failed relationships. You try to convince yourself that it was all successful and you knew them very well. No. If you knew them very well, you would have never left them. If you were compatible, you would have never ever felt the need to ditch them. He is chasing you back because thats how we are. We prefer to stick back with our old ones than going through the same tiring process of chasing a new girl. Its too much of work.***

Again, your opinion and since you aren't me, you are clueless to the detail of any of my envolvements with them. I DID know them very well or got to know them very well, didn't like it and left them. I really haven't had too many failed relationships by the way. All of them have been long lasting. I can count them on one hand and yet, I still have only been single a percentage of the time my friends have. So, ya see clearly they (librans and the other sign or two I was in a relationship with) want to be in a relationship with me. Most ended up being friends of mine still so, we do get along great, however people change as they grow in learn. Hence, you are not with the first person you were ever in a relationship with and I am sure you have had more than I even with the 9 year age difference between us.

***It is not. Bcoz we made a mistake and took some time to realize it. Trick is to avoid making mistakes. But thats not just easy for one person. Both partners has to be well tuned into each other to avoid making any type of mistakes.***

Finally, thelibran, something we agree on. I tried many times with my ex hubby (libra) to work out our marriage, because I took our marriage very serious, it takes two and it didn't work that I was doing 80 and him 20 percent. Yet he always wanted to make up and work it out a person can take but so much, even a determined scorp.

Yes, that's the aggravation in being the only one IN the relationship with a Libra. I'm doing all the work. You said it yourself Libran *******We prefer to stick back with our old ones than going through the same tiring process of chasing a new girl. Its too much of work.****

I'm not really convinced my Libra is lazy but I think some of what Libran says might be true. My Libra doesn't want to put forth the effort with me right now yet I know he's spent time looking on line and out in the field in the past for that "perfect" woman and he undoubtedly does compare me to them and therefore keeps coming back to me. Yet, he clearly isn't ready for the relationship that he says he wants with me. I actually think men are lazy in general when it comes to relationships and it isn't because of their sign. That's just my opinion but it seems to be apparent in a lot of relationships that I observe with other couples as well.

***Yet he always wanted to make up and work it out a person can take but so much, even a determined scorp.*** Yes, this is the breaking point I mentioned earlier. I'd have to say that it should be a testament to the type of person you are if you can STILL remain friends after the relationship is over. It says you ARE able to work things out and be successful in a relationship with that person but the intimate and romantic extension of that relationship will no longer be accessed. Does that person merit being trashed because you've grown apart from them romantically? I should hope not. But I know for many people they can't do this and the only way they can move on is to be hateful, angry, and mean to the other person in order to cope with the rejection. How many relationships have you had Libran that you are still friends with after the relationship ended. (just curious)

QueenS ,how was your Christmas ? If I'm not wrong , you've a beautiful daughter , right ? I miss my mum so much but we can't see each other right now ...

hihi .. you're right about relationship problems templeofjaguar ... men want something , women want other things ... since I found the forum and read alot of posts , I realise we seem to have similar problems ...and the funny thing is that we(female and male) might be the core of it ... what's it that we're looking for ? Troubles or Love ? I fed up with stories about games playing , who is more clever , who is more powerful , who is more attractive , who is successful .... Life is so fragile ...Yet we seem to live in the fast lane ...forget to pause a second to find out the true meaning of happiness ...to appreciate the people close to us ...a little innocent smile...a small kind gesture...

I hear ya loud and clear Exam. It's the game playing that does us all in!

((( And you left your scorpio thinking all scorpio women are like her, hence she was stubborn and didn't want to take your advice - )))

again a bunch of wrong assumptions. I never left her. I moved to another country and she didnt wanted to move with me bcoz she said she hate Chinese people and dont want to live among Chinese people whom she consider inferior. Some racial complications. That kinda stupid issues wouldn't have been there if she wasnt a scorpio right? Obviously such senseless reasoning will push me away from anyone. And I wasnt into astrology at that point of time. It was 3 years ago. I used to think it was the best match and we were soul mates. Until I took an effort to observe and understand others. You havent gone to that next step of taking effort on cancer or pisces or taurus. You are way preoccupied with the idea that libra works perfect for scorpio and thats the end of story. You havent cared to cross examine yourself if reality or simply wishful thinking. You havent cared to see if thats exactly what a libra expects from a long term partner. Why??

If you want us wholeheartedly, leave the games at the door on your way in!! Personally, as soon as i see a game being played, im out of there already..nothing insults us more than poor power trippers!! Be true to yourself, dont try to please us, its almost impossible, hehehe!! We respect those that respect themselves first..we're nice, honest!!

(( Remeber LS, bought this same thing up in another post about you flying to see a girl who didn't want to be with you. Maybe now your story has changed, ))

Story never changes. Assumptions changed. It got evolved. I never went to see a girl who didnt wanted to be with me. I went to see a girl who is afraid of meeting me in real life thinking I might seek revenge bcoz of all the lies she told me. But reality was she was an entirely different girl with 95% similar situations including name, neighborhood, education, name of friends, zodiac sign, using same set of words and so and so. If she never liked me, then I wont be stupid enough to go all the way to meet her. Purpose was to remove her fears. Not chasing her down. LS is against anything that originates from web. Like how am prejudiced against the girls whom i bump into in night clubs.

But Sola, it's been posted on this board before that Libras are masters at manipulation. They meld it in with their charm. Their good at it, no argument there. Libras don't leave the game playing at the door as you suggest. But I could see how you (or anyone really) would be offended by someone playing them for a fool and got caught at it. No one likes being played. The trick is catching them at their game and calling them out!!!

LOL yup....hehehe@masters of manipulation!!! Oh but always so innocent about it 😛

Libra games arent designed to catch you out..we use "manipulation" to test your staying power!! Besides, they dont usually last long, hehe. Scorps for example play the worst type of emotional manipulation that ends up hurting everyone, thats not Libra style e. Honestly..only genuine people need apply to us 🙂

***I never left her. I moved to another country ***

Nevertheless, you left her, per your proclamaition on another thread. Left (remove yourself from her, not with her anymore, whatever the reason).

You mentioned your scorp ex was stubborn therefore you use your experience with her and the relationshiip between the two of you as a guide for any scorp woman/libran male combo.

***Story never changes. Assumptions changed. It got evolved. I never went to see a girl who didnt wanted to be with me. I went to see a girl who is afraid of meeting me in real life thinking I might seek revenge bcoz of all the lies she told me.***

Whatever the case you went to see her without her knowledge or agreement (Stalking). Also she didn't want to meet you in real life - The words: Not want to meet you.... Regardless of why. So why did you go? (Again, stalking) supporting my point of going to see or continuing to contact someone who doesn't want to be seen or contacted by you.

OMG is stalking wrong?? now you tell me!!! Ooooops!!!

LMAO

I was wondering when the posts would become unbearable...

I see it's taking its tole on some of the libras.

***You havent gone to that next step of taking effort on cancer or pisces or taurus. You are way preoccupied with the idea that libra works perfect for scorpio and thats the end of story. You havent cared to cross examine yourself if reality or simply wishful thinking. You havent cared to see if thats exactly what a libra expects from a long term partner. Why??***

thelibran, sweety you should really pay attention to what people post previously before commenting.

I have been involved n long term relationships with both Cancer and Taurus also engaged to a pisces. So, clearly I am speaking from MY EXPERIENCE with them as well as my lasting relationships and marriage with librans. I actually had the experiences with the other signs prior to the ones with librans.

I am very clear and have learned a great deal about libran men since I have the most experience with them probably more than any female on this board.... Sooo, wishful thinking? Naahh or I would still be with one of them.

Have I mentioned seeing or dating a libran recently— Nope, recent interested parties have benn scorp, taurus and virgo. So, there you go I am clearly not infactuated with librans. I just have very close Libran male and recently female friends whom I get along with great...

Not taking its tole on some librans, just a young one who is stuck in his theories being the only that is right.

(( Whatever the case you went to see her without her knowledge or agreement))

I mailed her twice and called her once before I landed there. I dont just walk into someones office. And my ex scorp wanted me to leave her and concentrate on my career for a while. I asked her to join me when I felt I was settled. She didnt wanted to. See.... Again assumptions. When will you ever stop assuming and judging a libra based on that?? I never like this part whenever i deal with scorp women. They just assume over our head even when we have told them everything we know. They simply cannot put those simple words together and try to understand the situation as how we know.


(( So, clearly I am speaking from MY EXPERIENCE with them as well as my lasting relationships and marriage with librans. ))

You know sometimes when a person is a bit of a bully, most people avoid them. Still libra takes them under their wings and give them company. If things didnt worked for you with taurus, cancer and pisces, have you ever cared to find out what was their side of story? Or check out another cancer, taurus or pisces? No. You were quite prejudiced by then. You only tried to experiment with libra bcoz only they made you emotional. Bcoz of the same emotional components, you wish to think that it works better for you.

To me, making a thing work is not like making it work for 4-5 years. Its like building a phone which can work only for 5 years and after that it faces forced obsolescence. So unless you have any plans to stick with a libra forever, why try chasing a libra? Why leave them broken and then let them chase you? Do you enjoy doing that to a libra?

LMAO. Now look who sounds all judgmental about being judgmental ?? (It's getting warm in here)

***I am very clear and have learned a great deal about libran men since I have the most experience with them probably more than any female on this board..*** QS you right and I agree with that. You are very clear and accurate. Your insight and knowledge, for me anyway, have been extremely affective in understanding male Libras. More so sometimes then what the Libras offer up themselves. My experience with Libra has been HE DOES NOT give all the information about things sometimes and unless I'm a mind reader that knowledge remains hidden and assumptions happen when only some of the facts are given to "imply" one thing in order to "manipulate" to his advantage. That, is intentional which we recently just discussed in this thread. Libras being the masters of manipulation.

(( LMAO. Now look who sounds all judgmental about being judgmental ?? ))

tats bcoz you are water. see the point? same reason why the explanations of QS looks more convincing to you. She too is water. So its a general water perspective on libra.

I actually agree with the libran.
Living with and knowing someone for a lifetime does not necessarily mean one understands them. I have lived in close proximity with a water sign who has never known me truly. They can only guess from what I tell them, or if they really tried, remembered my responses.

Libras being the "masters of manipulation" can only be said by 'it takes one to know one'... I really dislike libra manipulation techniques but in my opinion, the manipulative techniques of other signs are much worse, and it is unfair to single out libra for being maniulative players. Unfortunately, the manipulation strategies of some signs irk others, but are a secret delight for those of the same element.

And 'manipulation' is much worse in a water element, you gotta admit, because water rules the emotions. Earth manipulates by resistance, fire by force, and air either by evasiveness or charm.

To me, manipulation by sheer evil or intimidation, even force is worse than that of libra manipulation. You can even call that child's play.

Libras manipulate people for a few reasons.
1. to remove others fears and make them see what they dont want to see.
2. To escape guilt when he figures out at a later point of time that he was in fact was not in love but thinking he was in love. He dont want to accept he made a mistake in picking this particular partner.
3. To bring balance in an unbalanced situation(present or potential)

We don't manipulate others for financial or materialistic gains like other signs. We will manipulate an entire crowd if we know there is no other choice to make things better for them.

****We don't manipulate others for financial or materialistic gains like other signs. *** This is your disclaimer for acceptance? Puh-leeze!!!Manipulation is manipulation PERIOD. It's only good for YOU because YOU are DOING the manipulation. Do YOU like being manipulated by someone else? ***

Case in point: ****Living with and knowing someone for a lifetime does not necessarily mean one understands them. I have lived in close proximity with a water sign who has never known me truly. They can only guess from what I tell them, or if they really tried, remembered my responses.****

When you contribute information to the libra board is it to say that you're answers and responses should be considered manipulative and that you want people to "guess" from what you tell us as to what is truth or just a version of the truth? Other people (outside being a LIbra) CAN get to know another persons patterns, behaviors, habits, not JUST from experiences, but thru other modalities such as acute intuitive abilities,or keen observations in addition to other methods of "clear knowing" ENOUGH to evaluate and process that information not to "JUDGE" the other person (I don't think any of us have that right to judge) but to "evaluate" the information we are receiving, observing, experiencing and use it to make better choices in a situation whether individually or as a group.

Well the moment you think a persons character is as per what you think it is, you are making a judgment. Bcoz thats only your perception based on your inputs from your own sensory organs. Everything you see, hear, taste, touch and smell gets processed inside your own brain. Unless there is a specific source of information which explains to you how to process the details about a certain person, your brain processes it the way it functions on its own. Like you will tend to assume the other person is emotional bcoz if it was you in his position, you know you would have been emotional. You assume other person is a nut case if he is not emotional in a given situation where you would have been definitely emotional. Thats the best your brain can process. And thats how you judge a person subconsciously. So whichever way you observe or study a libra without proper knowledge about how our brain works, you will end up judging us.