"Guessing" and "observing" is good; that's what people do all the time. Alot of people who do NOT understand one another get together to figure each other out for a lifetime, or till they see fit. I have no problems with that.
"is it to say that you're answers and responses should be considered manipulative and that you want people to "guess" from what you tell us as to what is truth or just a version of the truth"
I don't understand this statement. I don't really know what the statement is driving at. But if you considered that statement manipulative, you're reading too much into it because it wasn't intended to be that.
Yes, you can evaluate - that's what people do, but you got to admit that sometimes what the "air" head says confuses you like you confuse them. This is what is originally meant. And it's okay to judge people, but to really see through their motives (and not just deduce or guess) I suppose you have to either try very hard to understand the behaviour of air, or be air.
TOJ, libras are really uncomfortable with emotion, but water signs are really good at them. What do you do when you put air in water? It can dissolve, but it will still bubble up. If your libra has many water planets or those in water houses good for you, because those libras are like a bird that has taken to water.
I know one of them who is libra sun and totally chok full of cancer planets, and she is attracted to cancers. Libras don't do it for her at all.
So what it's saying is,.... expect to get together with an air sign, but don't expect to fully understand them. And don't expect they fully understand you or cater to your needs, because a predominantly air sign man is very self centred (especially in cardinal) and is not good with emotion, the way a water sign is.
They can only guess from what I tell them, or if they really tried, remembered my responses.****
When you contribute information to the libra board is it to say that you're answers and responses should be considered manipulative and that you want people to "guess" from what you tell us as to what is truth or just a version of the truth?****
Ok what this means is.. You can't sit a whole day to talk with someone about what they mean. Like what thelibran said, you think it is this way because it is how you would react. But, it may not be at all. So you can end up debating a sentence or a point when you think it means this way when it actually means another. I think you see the drift there.
***. Like you will tend to assume the other person is emotional bcoz if it was you in his position, you know you would have been emotional.** How do you explain away empathic abilities or intuitive, psychic, clairvoyance or knowledge of this nature when a person "just knows" being influenced by these contributing factors?
***In my mind I try to explore all the things that made him say he wanted to be my boyfriend to him being so distant and remote and not showing much emotion where I was concerned. Now as it stands I always try to run away from him and he never lets go.****
I'm willing to explore any topic that could explain this behavior so that I CAN understand it. Asking him directly only produces apologies. As nice as apologies are and that he's more then willing to say he's sorry it does not explain WHY nor can he. Yes, trying to end it doesn't work he just doesn't want to let go. THAT is about the only thing that almost makes sense to me. He likes what he's getting and doesn't want to lose it. But the relationship is so unfairly unbalanced and that just defies logic because Libra's are supposed to be the scales and work at balancing things fairly.
***I never like this part whenever i deal with scorp women. They just assume over our head even when we have told them everything we know. They simply cannot put those simple words together and try to understand the situation as how we know. ***
All I can assume is your words when you post them. You never included these details. Clearly, I am not the only one who assumed. Do you remember LS's comment about the same issue? Whatever who cares. We deal with facts not assumptions. Make your facts clear.
***I mailed her twice and called her once before I landed there. I dont just walk into someones office.
***Oh and did she say, "sure do come, I would love to see you." Not, as you stated she didn't want to see you... That is the point!!!
***You know sometimes when a person is a bit of a bully, most people avoid them. Still libra takes them under their wings and give them company. If things didnt worked for you with taurus, cancer and pisces, have you ever cared to find out what was their side of story? Or check out another cancer, taurus or pisces?*** Uhh, did you not read the previous posts. Getting to know a Taurus currenlty NOT A LIBRA...
Yes I did, we weren't compatible. Never bullied anyone, never had to, always been persued.
***To me, making a thing work is not like making it work for 4-5 years. Its like building a phone which can work only for 5 years and after that it faces forced obsolescence. So unless you have any plans to stick with a libra forever, why try chasing a libra? Why leave them broken and then let them chase you? Do you enjoy doing that to a libra? ***
Currection 8 years... Again, I have NEVER chased any of these librans. Again every one of them approached, persued me and didn't and don't want to let me go. I never enter any relationship with plans of leaving it. I am a grown woman not an adolesent. Did you plan on leaving your scorp when you met? Oh, yeah you thought you guys were sole mates, but she wouldn't go with you. Sorry she hurt you and now use her as an example for all scorp females and their relationships with Librans. LOL!!!
You should quit now thelibran, you are starting to sound a little silly. I am a scorp for God's sake. You know I have an answer for everything, but this is becoming redundant. It was fun for awhile, now it is getting boring. Tired of repeating myself. You have so much to learn in general. Happy New Year!!!
***tats bcoz you are water. see the point? same reason why the explanations of QS looks more convincing to you. She too is water. So its a general water perspective on libra.****
Lets see, Nic has most often agreed with my comments on libra men through out these threads, so have other librans, Chatz, HP, ATom etc.... Soooooo, that would be air, fire and earth, hmmm, neither of them are water. What is your conclusion to that thelibran? Just curious?
***I actually agree with the libran. Living with and knowing someone for a lifetime does not necessarily mean one understands them.***
My point exactly, sometimes you find you don't understand them or the two of you are just no longer compatible and move on. Sometimes you understand them and love them and want them in your life, however the romantic aspect isn't working so you remain friends. Right you are.
However, this seems contrary to what thelibran believes. He thinks he will find the perfect person without any differences and that you can only have a relationship according to what astrology says is compatible. This my dear isn't true in each situation no matter what the zodiac combo is.
***We don't manipulate others for financial or materialistic gains like other signs.***
However, libra men will manipulate for self satisfaction and getting what they want and can be quite self involved. I am sure most women who have dealt with them will agree. Can I get an Amen... thelibran, unless you have seen this from the outside as a partner to a libra man rather than just being one. It might be impossible for you to realize, however this has come up on this board a million times from females involved with libra men of all different zodiac signs. Again it is not all about the signs.
***Bcoz thats only your perception based on your inputs from your own sensory organs. Everything you see, hear, taste, touch and smell gets processed inside your own brain. Unless there is a specific source of information which explains to you how to process the details about a certain person, your brain processes it the way it functions on its own. Like you will tend to assume the other person is emotional bcoz if it was you in his position, you know you would have been emotional. You assume other person is a nut case if he is not emotional in a given situation where you would have been definitely emotional. Thats the best your brain can process. And thats how you judge a person subconsciously.
Oh, and I guess this applies to everyone except a libra? Only you know the true person right? Wrong!
***So whichever way you observe or study a libra without proper knowledge about how our brain works, you will end up judging us.***
Same goes for Librans conception of other signs... We are all human. Take your own advice sometime.
(( "sure do come, I would love to see you." ))When she is afraid of facing me in real life and she gets a mail from me, do you think she will reply and confirm its her? No. So what should I do to remove that fear? LS is totally against the idea of people whom we meet online. Nothing more than that. Facts were there. you failed to find them.
QS, you have an answer to everything. And most of them are true about libras. Except that you are compatible with libra more than other signs. You like them more so you think you get along better. Thats the part which I dont agree. Simply bcoz to a libra getting along or getting married means end of his single life and he found a partner for life. Its the same for a gemini or aqua or Aries women. They tend to stick to one single partner once they know this is the one. Scorp and libra simply cannot make it beyond a certain point. Obviously you dont want to agree and think astrology has nothing to do with any of these. If astrology has nothing to do as you wish to think, what made you think you cannot be with a cancer or pisces and only libra fits you the best—? See the contradiction? What I say is that scorpio cannot satisfy a libra. They can make a libra think that he is satisfied and happy and is the best partner he could have found. Thats purely bcoz of all those emotional manipulations from scorpios side and libra opens his eyes in a while and want to get out of it. This is the part which you dont want to agree. You see the idea of satisfaction for a libra from your scorpio perspective. I see it from the libra perspective.
What we basically need from a partner is an intellectual satisfaction and not emotional satisfaction. Scropio is no match for an intellectual talk. But a perfect companion for an emotional talk. But scorpio wont admit to that part. You think you are different bcoz you have so many planets of libra. But finally when you communicate with ur libra, its your scorpio brain what produces words. Which sounds argumentative and libra dont like it bcoz its half empty. You wouldnt have been arguing with me on any of these if you ever understood how libra thinks and explains. If it was an air person on the other side, it would have been way easy for me to explain. Everything is told in the first reply itself and they understand eveything. But you simply dont. And i keep explaining. See how tiring this process is? Dont you know libra hate to do that? If you knew why you failed to understand me—
(( Same goes for Librans conception of other signs... We are all human. Take your own advice sometime. ))
We are better at understanding others bcoz we can freeze our own emotions and walk in the shoes of others. Others simply cannot do that bcoz they are subject to their own emotions, fears and insecurities. Thats what makes us different than any other zodiac group. May be you should go back to elementary details on zodiac traits and start reading all over again.
***We are better at understanding others bcoz we can freeze our own emotions and walk in the shoes of others.*** LOL That is a big crock of BS . From what you're posting now it is clear you aren't walking in anyone's shoes but your own. You clearly do not practice this "walkn in the shoes of others" yourself by the remarks and comments you have made. It is far easier to sit back and be "judgmental" (as you pointed out) then to do any real work to see this from anyone else's perspective but your own.
****Why leave them broken and then let them chase you? Do you enjoy doing that to a libra?***** Are you kidding me?? Leave them broken and let them chase you? This is NOT anything I produced nor asked for from my Libra as a result of putting 80% or more into a relationship and getting nothing back in return and finally saying enough is enough when I am the one who has been broken down to the point of finally giving up. At this point I've tried to let go and move on but trying to leave the relationship is difficult for several reasons. One reason is he won't let me because he doesn't want me to. He keeps popping back up in my life. No Libran, you have it all wrong and quite in reverse. I am pretty sure any woman sharing my same position past or present will agree with me on that and I can further assure you they are not all a water sign. They are women of all signs caught in the same scenerio with a Libra the same as I or Chatz, or even QS, or or hundreds of other women reading this thread that haven't even contributed to this discussion.******Now as it stands I always try to run away from him and he never lets go.****** Joi seems to be having the same problem Libran. Are you going to try to persuade her that she's broken a Libra too and is responsible for him chasing her because of it and she's enjoying it??
****tats bcoz you are water. see the point?**** NO, I see other people (not water signs) disagreeing with you but you choose to ignore that. *** same reason the explanations of QS looks more convincing to you. She too is water. So its a general water perspective on libra.**** Facts ARE convincing to me Libran not the implication of the person being of water, air, fire, & earth perspective you suggest.
Whoa, alot of water against the air now.. lol. What I do not understand either, about Libra men is why they seem not to want a relationship and then keep popping up in the lives of the women who liked them. I believe this is very torturous for the women invovled and it is as if he either doesn't realize the extent of the damage, or that he purposely did it. Alot of people in that situation would think he purposely did it, but could never know why. I myself have been frustrated by this one many accounts; it is like, a withdrawal, but with an arm that sticks out at the side.
What I may gather about this or deduce is that he may not want a relationship but may not want to lose a friend in his life. Or a person, once loved, whatever. Sometimes I find myself contacting an "ex", but when he doesn't reply, THEN I get the message. Maybe I am going too far to reach out to him again when it is over. But soon, he will contact me still. Maybe other signs are like that too?
So, regarding the air sign men who leave the ladies hanging, maybe they aren't into psychology, or figuring out how the other party thinks - they don't even study astrology. I must assume, that it would be very difficult for them (all signs, not especially libra) to figure out what a partner wants. But the best conclusion I can think of, is that the scenarios are all part of our life path. We are fated to learn the difficult lessons that they will teach us, because we can learn no other way.
(( So, regarding the air sign men who leave the ladies hanging, maybe they aren't into psychology, ))
I think thats bcoz they are not into astrology. I always had the urge to go back to my scorpio at times when I was lonely. So suppose if a libra ends up in a solid and stable relationship soon after he break away from someone, he wont go back. He will go back after so many months to say a hello and keep things formal. May be a phone call for their next birthday or new year. And reality is that we dont always end up in a solid relationship soon after one is over. So we keep things here and there. All options open...
now taking my own case, I have been chasing this gemini for 3 years and 4 months. First 3 years she was scared of me. cant blame her. she was 19 when i met her and you can know how unstable they are at that age. Now she is slowly coming closer. When I learned she was not interested, a year ago i met this aqua girl. Things were good till the day i figured out she is in love with a leo and leo just ditched her. So she says am her special friend. but she calls me everyday and I dont know how if it may mature into something. I just dont want to wait and waste my time. So I met this aries girl and seeing her for a month now. waiting for her to be back from her hometown and settle here from jan end. So there is another potential. In btween there is this libra girl who want to be with me once she finish her graduation this june and I have my old Aries friend who said she want to come back to whereever I am once her current contract is over. And at times my ex scorp gives me a call and asks me if she can move with me. If it was 2 years ago, I would have happily said Yes. now I dont want to take tat risk again. I am so bloody worried whats gonna happen. I dont know if gemini will ever get out of her fear completely or Aqua one fine day will say "ok I want u"(like she has said so many times in the past) after i end up with this Aries girl. Its so complicated since I dont know which is going to happen first. And if this one happens, how am i going to say a sorry to everyone else. So I play. Aries and libra dont know anything about rest of the girls around me. They dont ask and I dont say it. Its easier that way. Gem and aqua know everything thats going on with my life and they are still cool about it. I know i can be honest with them and they wont run away.
((Whoa, alot of water against the air now.. lol.)) i think am the stupid one. Knowing they cannot understand everything the way we see it, i shud hv kept quiet. 😢
***QS, you have an answer to everything. And most of them are true about libras. Except that you are compatible with libra more than other signs. You like them more so you think you get along better. Thats the part which I dont agree. Simply bcoz to a libra getting along or getting married means end of his single life and he found a partner for life. Its the same for a gemini or aqua or Aries women. They tend to stick to one single partner once they know this is the one. Scorp and libra simply cannot make it beyond a certain point.***
This just simply isn't true for everyone. My ex simply thought I was the one and we would be together forever and so did I for the first 6 years of our relationship. However I didn't want to remain because things were not continuing to be compatible. So, in a way this is true in MY Marriage you a libra, however, it was I who left.
I also know two Libra Aries couples and even my gemini mom and her long time partner who broke up after not being able to work it out. So you see it matters more about the situation and individuals invovled than their signs or all libran with gem, aquas and aries would stay together once they got together. My ex husbands daughter's mother is an Aries and they were together a year and she wanted to get married, he didn't. The first day he met me he told someone I would be his wife someday. Ofcourse I didn't find this out for years later when that person told me.
Again, different with different people and it isn't soley the sun signs. It just isn't. I am not justifying anything nor am I saying librans are more compatible with me than other signs, I never said that. I just ended up with mostly librans who seeked me out, not me them and I never knew they were librans when we first met.
***They can make a libra think that he is satisfied and happy and is the best partner he could have found. Thats purely bcoz of all those emotional manipulations from scorpios side and libra opens his eyes in a while and want to get out of it. This is the part which you dont want to agree. You see the idea of satisfaction for a libra from your scorpio perspective. I see it from the libra perspective.***
Contrary to this belief, the two longest relationships I have had with librans, they have been very emotional and open with me, and as Nic has stated that Libra men seem to open up emotionally more to scorp woman than any other sign. So, like some of the females on here mention that they don't get emotional. I really haven't experienced that in my situations with them, so yeah, every experience is different.
Librans never wanted to get out of anything with this scorp, this is what I keep telling you. Again I never said they were my best match just had a long spell of running into them for years.
***Scropio is no match for an intellectual talk.***
I assume the many compliments on my intellect and how interesting I can keep a conversation with a libra and bounce ideas back and forth - from several librans male and female were all lies—
***You think you are different bcoz you have so many planets of libra. But finally when you communicate with ur libra, its your scorpio brain what produces words.***
Actually I don't, I have more sag, aqua and gemini in most my charts.
***But you simply dont. And i keep explaining. See how tiring this process is? Dont you know libra hate to do that? If you knew why you failed to understand me—***
So why are you still explaining what not only myself disagree with, but I have also seen other signs disagree with your statements, including librans.
***Others simply cannot do that bcoz they are subject to their own emotions, fears and insecurities. Thats what makes us different than any other zodiac group. May be you should go back to elementary details on zodiac traits and start reading all over again.***
Sweety as I stated it depends on the individual. I know plenty librans and other signs beside water who are have major fears and insecurities. Librans don't understand everyone. That isn't true at all, just like other signs are confused about the ways of librans, they are confused about the ways of others too sometime, however, I will agree they are very good at seeing both sides, but they don't always understand both sides.
***What I do not understand either, about Libra men is why they seem not to want a relationship and then keep popping up in the lives of the women who liked them. I believe this is very torturous for the women invovled and it is as if he either doesn't realize the extent of the damage, or that he purposely did it. Alot of people in that situation would think he purposely did it, but could never know why. I myself have been frustrated by this one many accounts; it is like, a withdrawal, but with an arm that sticks out at the side.***
OH MY GOD, thelibran, can you believe on this very thread A LIBRAN FEMALE is also confused and can't understand a MALE LIBRANS actions— Wha— No Spica you must really be a water sign, You can't be a libran yourself, you just can't!!!
I think we should put all the signs in one big barrel, mix em up and see who ends up with who!! could be interesting....I give up wondering anymore and as LS said so many times...go where it isn't so hard. love should NOT be so hard and I live by that - took me a year granted, but I now understand it more than ever...thank you to my wonderful Libra who today sent me the most wonderful and sincere email and made my day (just in time for NYE)...he taught me a lot over the past 14 months....its been quite a ride...good and bad but again, I learnt so much - Libra might not be for Leos (who knows??) but OMG it was fun!!!
But up and on...if Libras cause us so much heartache?? we know the answers right??
Happy New Year to you all - thank you for a wonderful year on this board - its been a pleasure....see you all next year 🙂
I don't understand his actions, but I know something is up that he's either trying to evade or not talk about it. Libran men do not like to talk about their feelings, alot of the time, so that's where the problem lies. Lol... I'm not a water sign. But air loves to confuse themselves, you just ask a gemini. they perhaps are the ones that can master the confuzzlement. Alot of the time, if they don't think, but just trust their inner knowing, they will know that's best for them.
thelibran, you may have gotten yourself into some deep shit there.. as you may know. How the hell do you juggle so many? If I were in that situation, I would be filled with so much confusion. If I were you, I'd just drop the rest and focus on one of them.. It will be so much easier on the mind.
I have "given" up opportunities for this current guy I'm seeing, not sure if it's the correct move, but couldn't help it anyway. I just stopped sending signals to everyone and in the end they got the message. So, that was the best for me.
I am learning the art of juggling. It also serves me as experimental subjects. By the way i checked out two scorpios in the past to see if am just being prejudiced abt scorpio. One with the clear information that things might get emotional she have to pull and run away the moment she start feeling something. And she ran. Other time I was the one who was about to run and I ran. I have no idea what might happen. But I am behaving like a virus spreading everywhere whenever i get time. And the more I spread, I can clearly see how much time my brain takes to process various possibilities and options. Its quite insane.
I once 'experimented' with seeing someone I had no intentions of being with, and with another, one virgo one leo. That caused loads of problems; I think I hurt them, and myself too, cause now I have connections with more people.
Sometimes I wonder if connections are really that good.. Well I know my libra guy likes to collect connections too, as well as admirers, but sometimes I wonder if he ever thought about complications in future with the girl he would intend to be with. That is one of the few reasons why I am considering critically about the benefits of being with him. Since he falls prey so easily with succumbing to 'friends' of the opposing sex, with the charming wiles of course, I would expect he may not have the "strength" to say no to a forceful 'friend' who would advance towards him.
****But the best conclusion I can think of, is that the scenarios are all part of our life path. We are fated to learn the difficult lessons that they will teach us, because we can learn no other way.**** Yes Spica,I agree, everything happens for a reason and people are brought into our lives at various times for specific lifes lessons and vice-versa.
Now Libran that was insightful from a male (libra) perspective in which your inability to choose one person and focus on them. Keeping your "options open" and dangling so many women is not only hurtful and deceitful to them by your own confession it is "insane". So why do it? Could it be by your own accusing words towards others that it is YOU, the Libra, who likes to leave them broken and you chase them because it is fun? You are making women a sport by playing with their hearts and lives for your pleasure. Now an understanding about you (and perhaps even about my libra) is forming for me.
***. In btween there is this libra girl who want to be with me once she finish her graduation this june*** Here is a woman who, by your own statement, declares she wants to be with you. Simple! Be with her Libra if you don't.......let her get on with her life. Don't be selfish and keep her attached to you if your intentions are just to keep her dangling so you CAN hurt her. ******And if this one happens, how am i going to say a sorry to everyone else.***** Just be HONEST with them ALL and tell them you've met someone else you want to commit to and focus your time with. It would be the descent thing to do. But it is understandable you are not ready to do this if you are not emotionally mature enough to handle a decision like that at this time in your life. The universe has a wonderful way of teaching you that lesson (often painfully) again and again until you learn. Good luck with all that juggling Libran. *******. But I am behaving like a virus spreading everywhere whenever i get time. And the more I spread, I can clearly see how much time my brain takes to process various possibilities and options. Its quite insane.******* I hope 2008 will help you out with your insanity and the path(s) you have chosen as well as clears up that "virus" you have and keeps it from spreading or at least I hope your victims recover quickly . LOL
Well ya, he collected some connections during my rift with him, and do you think they could let go even if he wanted? One in particular is still sticking around, even though he made it subtly clear. We can't undo what we start; I learnt my lesson.
I have a feeling libra gets the connection from talking to a friend about their relationship troubles - that's where the other connection starts.
My guy has venus in libra; he's a bit different from you though, so I'm not lumping anyone in categories.
"You are making women a sport by playing with their hearts and lives for your pleasure."
I got to disagree there TOJ, they don't play for pleasure this way.. it's just libra sometimes enjoy people too much and like being with different energies. They don't sleep around; just the emotional connection in friendships. The girls don't realise that he is different as a friend and a lover. I had to take a breather, because my Libra as a friend and a partner is different. He is not afraid of the formality of friendship.
***One in particular is still sticking around, even though he made it subtly clear**** Subtly (obviously) doesn't always work in affairs of the heart Spica because the person on the receiving end of that notification is going to interpret it quite differently. Usually with disregard towards anything negative in breaking things off because there was an interest and a connection there to start with and a subtle hint will be dismissed because optimistic hope and expectations will maintain there must still be something there. It's a red flag for sure but directly saying "I'm sorry but I don't think things are going to work out for me in this relationship with you" would be honest, up front, and the fair thing to do. As painful as it might be to hear that it is far less cruel then dropping subtle clues you hope they "figure out" the more time they continue to hang in there investing more time and themselves into something/someone that they believe is still connected to them. I understand now that you probably don't really want to lose that "option" so the subtle hint is there as the "well I told you" but the vagueness of not being clear still leaves the door open to go back an forth.
How could someone ever be sure with a libra they have closed all their options? Where is or.... how is the certainty revealed when you're involved with them? I'm learning you can't always believe what the say is true because they don't speak ALL the facts. So how would you know or be sure?
Spica I get that they are very social and they like to be around a lot of different energies but wouldn't "keeping your options open" also include the opportunity to sleep with as many different women as they can with no intent to develop a relationship with any one of them beyond that? to live like a "virus" (as the Libran is doing) infecting people ultimately with pain as "experimental subjects"?
* But the relationship is so unfairly unbalanced and that just defies logic because Libra's are supposed to be the scales and work at balancing things fairly.
Libra is a *BALANCING* sign NOT a balanced sign. There is a huge difference.
Joi
Your relationship is off-center because you give away all the power in the relationship. You accept less than you deserve. Many women do this. You cannot expect the relationship to be balanced when you aren't holding your end.
* LS is against anything that originates from web.
Clarifying.
I am not against anything that originates from the web. I am sceptical of ANY long distant relationship where you are dependent on knowing the other person through what they tell you, whether it be meeting the person on the plane once or meeting online. I am HIGHLY sceptical of online relationships that drag on for years without ever meeting/seeing the other person.
You fall in love with a fantasy not the reality.
If they aren't in your life on a daily basis, you have no real idea who they are or what they are up to. They can be lying about any or all of it.
How can you possibly know someone's character without watching them in daily situations? How do you know how they talk to the taxi driver or the waiter? How do you know they offer their seat to an old lady on the subway unless you are there to witness it day after day?
If someone is right around the corner or in your city and you meet online then meet in real life ... I have no issue with that at all. Lots of people do it. But when it starts online and stays online with no real daily interaction ... you need to ask why and what they are hiding.
I find a lot of people in long distance relationships crave a relationship/partner but fear the intamacy of day to day life. MOST long distance relationships end when the one of the partners decides they want the real thing.
The girl didn't want to meet you. Looking her up and showing up at her workplace even if it wasn't her *STILL* is stalking and bad form. It is the intent that matters.
* Living with and knowing someone for a lifetime does not necessarily mean one understands them. I have lived in close proximity with a water sign who has never known me truly. They can only guess from what I tell them, or if they really tried, remembered my responses.
Hear! Hear!
People believe what you tell them. Unless some natural level of understanding exists between the two people (what I call compatibility) they will never truly understand each other at a deep level.
"Subtly (obviously) doesn't always work in affairs of the heart Spica because the person on the receiving end of that notification is going to interpret it quite differently."
You're right, TOJ, but libra really is hardly direct, really. In affairs of the heart, alot of people have huge difficulty saying no, rejecting people even saying 'i love you'. Considering that connection I am talking about is a long term friend, I assume it must be hard because a rejection could mean an end to friendship. He also has a pisces ASC, and is indirect this way too.
"Usually with disregard towards anything negative in breaking things off because there was an interest and a connection there to start with and a subtle hint will be dismissed because optimistic hope and expectations will maintain there must still be something there"
Oh boy that is right, but, lets say the friend is compatible with them and they have a good friendship, there's nothing others can do really. And there's also the problem of wanting to be fair to everyone and not be biased?
"how is the certainty revealed when you're involved with them? I'm learning you can't always believe what the say is true because they don't speak ALL the facts. So how would you know or be sure?"
Actually I put this down to his pisces rising and his 8th house aspects. He really is the type who is not assertive and will never tell anyone straight to their face. He will give clues instead. I think the ASC plays a huge part. What ASC is your guy?
"but wouldn't "keeping your options open" also include the opportunity to sleep with as many different women as they can with no intent to develop a relationship with any one of them beyond that?"
No, what I mean, TJ, is that when feelings are involved, or if Libra is in a relationship or already has a target, sleeping with anyone else is out of the question... I'm not sure about sleeping and not intending to develop relationships.. I'm clueless about that one, but generally for libra it is a no..
"Libra is a *BALANCING* sign NOT a balanced sign."
"I find a lot of people in long distance relationships crave a relationship/partner but fear the intamacy of day to day life. MOST long distance relationships end when the one of the partners decides they want the real thing."
Actually LDR are the real thing, in terms of feelings; you can't dispute that. The web is an input of thoughts and emotions. Also, I think that webbing is one of the more intimate activities. Because real life, people put on alot of masks. There are many variations of web relationships though, but clearly, trickery is to be noted, especially if the other party has no true connection or blindly believes all the text that is typed.
I don't know if I agree with you or not. The real thing is a day to day partner. You can't curl up with a computer screen. They are pointy! 🙂 If I have had a really bad day, I want to run home to my partner whose mere presence cheers me up.
I think true intimacy is in living our day to day lives.
Although the internet is an input of thoughts and feelings ... they are often fleeting.
I don't know if I believe people live behind masks or not. I think people live behind a lot of fears ... but the fear is part of who they are. Usually when someone is craving to be known ... I think they are just wanting to know themselves. When you ask someone who they are ... they will tell you who they want to be. (Often times what they believe to be true but often isn't.)
People have a hard time separating fact from fantasy when someone is sitting across the table from them. Put the things they say and feel into two dimensional words on a screen without any context, open to even more interpretation, makes it that much harder.
People say the things they do because they mean them at the time. (everyday good intentioned folks not manipulative wackadoos.)
People concentrate too much on what the other person says NOT what they do. What you DO shows your true character underneath. In some ways, perhaps we are just the product of our own habits.
Who we are is what we do when no one is looking. How can you know that unless you are watching?
The feelings may be true but that doesn't mean they are based on anything real.
(( How can you possibly know someone's character without watching them in daily situations? How do you know how they talk to the taxi driver or the waiter? How do you know they offer their seat to an old lady on the subway unless you are there to witness it day after day? ))
Have you ever tried to experiment? Try a gemini or aqua online. You will have all the answers to your doubts. Thats what I call a connection. You wont see how much and how far unless you go through it one time. I meet people in real life. The Aries is from real life. Though I met her online and we had a chat for around 15 mts on a saturday evening and she said lets meet. So we met. I have tried chatting with other signs too. But no use. I dont get any proper idea about their real character. Its all spooky. Try one time. Then you will know the difference. You can experience that purely intellectual way of getting to know each other. //not when you are with Aries please. If and only if you ever break up unfortunately.
TOJ, You gotta learn a great deal about libra. We dont get into something bcoz we love doing that. We hate to exist alone. When we are lonely, we look around for something to keep ourselves occupied. May be few drinks, may be a movie, may be go for a walk, may be go online and read forums, may be say hello to few new faces. It all starts in such simple ways. And we are way detached when we say that simple hello. Means nothing. Only curious to see how they respond. And if they respond, then we dont feel like rejecting and running away. We talk. We show our genuine nature. We take interest in getting to know them further. We automatically start calculating the possibilities. And someday we realize the changes in our approach and thinking or start noticing the differences in their behavior. Till then its all so innocent. I am not playing around any of these girls as far as I know. The curious ones - aqua and gemini know exactly what is happening with my life. Other two cases, we hardly ever discuss any of these matters. We have so many better things to talk. I dont know about their other affairs, and they dont know about mine. If they ever tell me anything, then obviously I know its ok to discuss such things.
So its always those moments of loneliness which creates so much of trouble. Thats why its important to have a partner who makes us feel they are with us all the time and serious. If its a confused relationship with occasional arguments and misunderstandings, libra will go scouting around.
"People concentrate too much on what the other person says NOT what they do. What you DO shows your true character underneath. In some ways, perhaps we are just the product of our own habits. Who we are is what we do when no one is looking. How can you know that unless you are watching?"
That's about right, but then physical presence does not mean you can be with them 24/7. If they mean to hide something, then you wouldn't know.
"Thats why its important to have a partner who makes us feel they are with us all the time and serious. "
That sounds about right too, but usually too much of a good thing makes one break away. What with all that needing space? This is actually a conundrum. Perhaps being there in spirit.
* Try a gemini or aqua online. You will have all the answers to your doubts. Thats what I call a connection. You wont see how much and how far unless you go through it one time.
Yes. But you know their ideas NOT their character.
When you meet in real life, the fantasy may be gone ... cause the physical chemistry is not there.
BTW, you don't know what I have and haven't done. I may be speaking from experience. 😉 Plus, I know so, so, so many people who have been burned by this.
And no worries. I am very happy with my Aries and would not jeaportize the relationship. 🙂
* That's about right, but then physical presence does not mean you can be with them 24/7. If they mean to hide something, then you wouldn't know.
I mean ... how can you know unless you are watching? I once dumped a guy because of the way he talked to taxi drivers and waiters. Oh he was wonderful to me but anyone he thought/deemed below him— He treated with disinterest and disrepect. Ever heard the old saying "If they are nice to you but not nice to the waiter they aren't nice?" I truly believe that.
Watching people in their everyday life tells you so much about them. We are simple creatures of habit.
How do you know someone half a world away is doing? Who isn't to say they aren't having the same affair with two or three or more other people? They could be married, anything ... you just don't know because you aren't a constant in their life.
sure people cheat in real life too but a fantasy affair online is nothing to hang your heart on because you really aren't a part of that persons everyday life.
***I got to disagree there TOJ, they don't play for pleasure this way.. it's just libra sometimes enjoy people too much and like being with different energies. They don't sleep around; just the emotional connection in friendships***
Spica, in my experience, I have found this not to be true in most cases. They will easily sleep with a friend, especially if they are emotionally connected to them. Two libras in particular I know had even while in a relationship with someone else.
***People concentrate too much on what the other person says NOT what they do. What you DO shows your true character underneath. In some ways, perhaps we are just the product of our own habits.***
***So its always those moments of loneliness which creates so much of trouble. Thats why its important to have a partner who makes us feel they are with us all the time and serious. If its a confused relationship with occasional arguments and misunderstandings, libra will go scouting around.***
True, librans hate being alone. Even if they engage in a casual relationship with a friend, just to keep familiar company. I know that sends the wrong message to the female, unless she understands librans. If they say they don't want a relationship or not ready for one and they still come around, it is because they like being around you and don't want a relationship with you at this time. Simple. These are people you have to take their word when it comes to them and relationships. They won't change unless they decide to change.
"I mean ... how can you know unless you are watching? I once dumped a guy because of the way he talked to taxi drivers and waiters. Oh he was wonderful to me but anyone he thought/deemed below him— He treated with disinterest and disrepect. Ever heard the old saying "If they are nice to you but not nice to the waiter they aren't nice?" I truly believe that."
Yes, I agree with this, regarding not knowing the person beforehand.. I don't really trust online meetups either, what I meant was a relationship where you already know the person, or have met them. Trust is also very important - which doesn't mean that if you meetup with them often means you trust them more. I definitely agree with that adage, and live by it too.
"Spica, in my experience, I have found this not to be true in most cases. They will easily sleep with a friend, especially if they are emotionally connected to them. Two libras in particular I know had even while in a relationship with someone else."
It will then depend on the circumstances, and how open the partner is to sleeping with others. I believe some of them do have an agreement of "open relationship" or something. Perhaps the partner did something to hurt them, and this is revenge.. or, the partner is doing this as well. This is not really the normal state of what relationships should be, and if they have gone down that path, they probably have justified it to some level; not that it is wrong (no judgment there), but it is not something a libra in love would ever do. In love, the partner is god.
I have no problem with it if you already know the person. If you only met them once, I would be wary. People can fake a lot during short term intervals but seeing them repeatedly in a variety of situations and watching what they do and handle these situations.
A fool blindly trusts that which is not tested.
Trust is great! Absolutely! Everyone deserves your trust until they prove otherwise, but your heart is a very different thing. You need to know the persons character. Are they reliable, respectful, loyal, etc.? That is only reveled over time and observing someone's behaviour which is very different that he said this. You shouldn't hang your heart on a someone's words.
People will sometimes still let you down when you least expect them to but at least you will know them well enough to know their motivations and whether it really was a mistake or a character flaw that cannot change. You will also know them well enough to know what you can and can't live with.
I doubt I would ever cheat when in love. I also would probably never sleep with someone else while dating. I was talking more about casual sex outside of dating. When you haven't had sex in three months, and the opportunity presents.
You can know someone for a decade and still not truly know them.. Sometimes people change after they marry, or after they have a child. I knew my guy for a long time, but I never saw a side to him till I started seeing him romantically.. What I'm driving at is, the inner trust and affinity for someone.. affinity is immediate.. even if you spent a year with them seeing them frequently, if you don't know them, you don't know them. Observing their gestures and not knowing how they work will still present things to you later on that you don't expect. So, trust is the main thing.. and in LDR this is based on the fact..
"is it to say that you're answers and responses should be considered manipulative and that you want people to "guess" from what you tell us as to what is truth or just a version of the truth"
I don't understand this statement. I don't really know what the statement is driving at. But if you considered that statement manipulative, you're reading too much into it because it wasn't intended to be that.
Yes, you can evaluate - that's what people do, but you got to admit that sometimes what the "air" head says confuses you like you confuse them. This is what is originally meant. And it's okay to judge people, but to really see through their motives (and not just deduce or guess) I suppose you have to either try very hard to understand the behaviour of air, or be air.