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SUT- So, you're just a sports fisherman? LMAO! That was pretty funny.
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25
SUT- So, you're just a sports fisherman? LMAO! That was pretty funny.
Sagittarius wisdom right there
Yea Im a sport fisherman. I got a big salmon at home but I wanna catch some bass and blue fish sometimes 😄click to expand
IF you actually had a nice cut of Atlantic Salmon, you wouldn't still be hungry. Are you sure you don't have....
**shurgs** :-/
Posted by tiziani
Jay:"That's a very philosophical question..."
Sag mode activated 😏
Hes such a Sag. Then one time him, he wrecked Sag....
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by tizianiPosted by SUT3point0Posted by tiziani
Jay:"That's a very philosophical question..."
Sag mode activated 😏
You heard the breffis club innerview
Yep watching part 3 right now
He called Kanye the cowboy who goes over the hill and comes back with the arrows stickin out of him scream "there's a tone of em over there" That shyt was funnyclick to expand
Ahhhhh Jay..... **sighs**
Posted by tizianiPosted by SUT3point0Posted by tizianiPosted by SUT3point0Posted by tiziani
Jay:"That's a very philosophical question..."
Sag mode activated 😏
You heard the breffis club innerview
Yep watching part 3 right now
He called Kanye the cowboy who goes over the hill and comes back with the arrows stickin out of him scream "there's a tone of em over there" That shyt was funny
LOL that analogy was so on point
The part that had me dying was "they say what does Jay-Z know about sports management?"
"Yeah those are people that believe you can only do one thing. We don't have that problem. I can walk and chew gum"click to expand
Ahhhhh Jay **sighs**
Such an effin boss!!! I dont care how big his lips, nose, teeth, feet, head (that might be a good thing, actually), or any other feature people say is funny looking about him. That man is smart, talented as hell, and sexy. An effin boss!
**sighs**
let me calm down....
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25
SUT- So, you're just a sports fisherman? LMAO! That was pretty funny.
Sagittarius wisdom right there
Yea Im a sport fisherman. I got a big salmon at home but I wanna catch some bass and blue fish sometimes 😄
IF you actually had a nice cut of Atlantic Salmon, you wouldn't still be hungry. Are you sure you don't have....
**shurgs** :-/
Idk what that pic is but. Good salmon means salmon may be your favorite and always will be but you want something else sometimes.
I don't believe in cheating thoughclick to expand
Dont play.... You know what that is. You can read, cant you? Bigger than that, you know what you have and what you do not have.
Good. Cheaters never win, in the end. 🙂
I'm whiter (innocenter) than Snow White. And a hypocrite, I guess. I never cheated on myself, though. I never promised any man ANYTHING. Not even the one I married. Me to my new husband: "Will you leave me if I cheat on you?" Him: "No. I will never divorce you."
True. I divorced him years later for reasons that had nothing to do with sexual/emotional cheating. I felt cheated through. Because he did something without consulting me first.
The probability that him (or any of my exes) will end up with a woman better than me are second to none.
True. I divorced him years later for reasons that had nothing to do with sexual/emotional cheating. I felt cheated through. Because he did something without consulting me first.
The probability that him (or any of my exes) will end up with a woman better than me are second to none.
Posted by SUT3point0
Jay got Venus in Scorpio too
So does Nas
Billionaire boys club bound=ME
Wait a minute. Isnt there a rule about if a person's Venus is in the other persons sun, and vice versa, that a compatible match?
Posted by tiziani
Sag is a sign I should know more about. It's in my family, but I don't really know how to identify a Sag beyond the basics.
I know a lot about Sag because I tend to attract them. More so in the past than in the recent few months.
Posted by Undine
I'm whiter (innocenter) than Snow White. And a hypocrite, I guess. I never cheated on myself, though. I never promised any man ANYTHING. Not even the one I married. Me to my new husband: "Will you leave me if I cheat on you?" Him: "No. I will never divorce you."
True. I divorced him years later for reasons that had nothing to do with sexual/emotional cheating. I felt cheated through. Because he did something without consulting me first.
The probability that him (or any of my exes) will end up with a woman better than me are second to none.
And. In. That. Order! #dead Lol.
SUT - Yes.... I thought you were familiar with canned fish. Hmmm....
Again, IF you had quality fish at home, you would not be hungry for anything else. Especially not processed, low grade, "fish".
Think about it....
Again, IF you had quality fish at home, you would not be hungry for anything else. Especially not processed, low grade, "fish".
Think about it....
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0
Jay got Venus in Scorpio too
So does Nas
Billionaire boys club bound=ME
Wait a minute. Isnt there a rule about if a person's Venus is in the other persons sun, and vice versa, that a compatible match?
Sun conjunct Venus is a great aspect yesclick to expand
Jay and I could have had a great thing! Lol. Ohhhh well.
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25
SUT - Yes.... I thought you were familiar with canned fish. Hmmm....
Again, IF you had quality fish at home, you would not be hungry for anything else. Especially not processed, low grade, "fish".
Think about it....
ITs like an urge for burger king once in a while.click to expand
If you still have cravings for Burger King and canned fish... all I can say is maybe you might want to upgrade and step your pallet up a bit.
Your boy Jay did and he's probably a better man for it.
Besides, your cuisine of choice only leaves its consumers unfulfilled, unsatisfied, and lethargic. To be a King you need to eat with the Queens. I thought you knew that.....
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25
SUT - Yes.... I thought you were familiar with canned fish. Hmmm....
Again, IF you had quality fish at home, you would not be hungry for anything else. Especially not processed, low grade, "fish".
Think about it....
ITs like an urge for burger king once in a while.
If you still have cravings for Burger King and canned fish... all I can say is maybe you might want to upgrade and step your pallet up a bit.
Your boy Jay did and he's probably a better man for it.
Besides, your cuisine of choice only leaves its consumers unfulfilled, unsatisfied, and lethargic. To be a King you need to eat with the Queens. I thought you knew that.....
ITs not about being fulfilled or not being fulfilled, it's about new experiences .click to expand
Be that as it may, you are speaking like a man who is still hungry...
But I could be wrong. What do I know.
Enjoy! Bon Apetite!
Posted by SUT3point0
Im fulfilled and still hungry fa more #jupiterproblems
Yams on yams on yams
yams on yams on yams lol
Keep eating!
Just dont pick up any weird stomach virus in the meantime. 😉
Posted by SUT3point0
she's low key wishing I catch a deadly virus LOL
Who is......—....—? **looking around**
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0
she's low key wishing I catch a deadly virus LOL
Who is......—....—? **looking around**
you . dont ack all surprisedclick to expand
why would I wish that on you?!?! I wish you nothing but happiness sweetie. 😉
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0
she's low key wishing I catch a deadly virus LOL
Who is......—....—? **looking around**
you . dont ack all surprised
why would I wish that on you?!?! I wish you nothing but happiness sweetie. 😉
oh ok . 🙂 ****remembers what my man told me about light skin women with beautiful smiles***click to expand
whats that?
Posted by size zero superhero
I've never cheated, and to the best of my knowledge none of my exes double-dipped me. LMAO
There's a negative stigma tied to this matter in my case, having once been a secondary witness. Before my parents split after 20 yrs of marriage, which happened back when I was like 7; I knew about their extramarital affairs.
Fortunately I didn't catch anything in the act, then I'd need comprehensive therapy LOL. Wasn't an ugly divorce either. Assuming brutal arguments took place at all, it must've happened when I was out of earshot.
I did, however, lose a bit of respect for them on that count. Now I've come to understand it as a potential outcome when one's intimate history begins & ends at their spouse. People are prone to change & wish they experienced more out of unmarried life.
And admittedly I haven't been in numerous consecutive LTRs like others I know. At 25, I've had 3 "serious" relationships & was single for lengthy periods between. Noncommittal flings...enjoyed my fair share while single & am grateful for that, believe it or not 🙂
To summarize; adultery is a troublesome vice. Don't engage in behaviors that you knowingly wouldn't tolerate from your s/o. Be honest with yourself & stay single if you crave extra batting practice, or try polyamory if 1 partner won't suffice.
Well said....
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0
she's low key wishing I catch a deadly virus LOL
Who is......—....—? **looking around**
you . dont ack all surprised
why would I wish that on you?!?! I wish you nothing but happiness sweetie. 😉
oh ok . 🙂 ****remembers what my man told me about light skin women with beautiful smiles***
whats that?
Can't be trust 😛click to expand
but Im worth taking that chance.... Just ask about me.
Posted by DonJohnson
It`s weird how it`s always the clingy, needy, faithful person that gets cheated on.
this trend is observed time and time again through people i`ve known. have you guys noticed this
maybe it's the clingy, needy "faithful" person that doesnt get caught. cuz who would ever suspect...
Its interesting...
There are women who posted on this thread about being cheated on numerous occasion. Some repeatedly, in fact. However, they continue to believe in love. Their faith in the right person manifesting themselves, although may be not as strong as it was 10 years ago, still is in tact.
When men are cheated on just once, they sometimes develop a "down with love/women/relationships cynical attitude. As though this is not a part of life.Deception in any form, by anyone. As though, the WRONG person is NOT suppose to do the WRONG things in a relationship in one way or the other. After all, if the wrong person did not play their role, teaching you lessons about life, yourself, and love, then you wouldn't be able to recognize and then appreciate even more when the RIGHT person does come into your life....
Just a thought.
There are women who posted on this thread about being cheated on numerous occasion. Some repeatedly, in fact. However, they continue to believe in love. Their faith in the right person manifesting themselves, although may be not as strong as it was 10 years ago, still is in tact.
When men are cheated on just once, they sometimes develop a "down with love/women/relationships cynical attitude. As though this is not a part of life.Deception in any form, by anyone. As though, the WRONG person is NOT suppose to do the WRONG things in a relationship in one way or the other. After all, if the wrong person did not play their role, teaching you lessons about life, yourself, and love, then you wouldn't be able to recognize and then appreciate even more when the RIGHT person does come into your life....
Just a thought.
Silly me...
Always seeing the #positive side of things.
**shrugs**
#teamantibitter #dontgetbittergetbetter
Always seeing the #positive side of things.
**shrugs**
#teamantibitter #dontgetbittergetbetter
Posted by xygeneration
Women are emotionally equipped than men. Fact. Who handles the bread and butter?
True. I totally agree. The proof is in the pudding.
However, it is problematic when the "bread winners'" emotional resiliency does not allow them to get over past hurt and betrayal in a healthy way. In this way a person can carry around past hurt that their ex caused them like a dog carries fleas. And we all know what happens if you lay in a bed with a dog that has fleas....
So what good is having the ability to earn the pay check or the mentality that goes along with in, if you are the host of a parasite. Yuck! #Nothanks
Dramatic analogy know... Lol.
Posted by tizianiPosted by natural25
Its interesting...
There are women who posted on this thread about being cheated on numerous occasion. Some repeatedly, in fact. However, they continue to believe in love. Their faith in the right person manifesting themselves, although may be not as strong as it was 10 years ago, still is in tact.
When men are cheated on just once, they sometimes develop a "down with love/women/relationships cynical attitude. As though this is not a part of life.Deception in any form, by anyone. As though, the WRONG person is NOT suppose to do the WRONG things in a relationship in one way or the other. After all, if the wrong person did not play their role, teaching you lessons about life, yourself, and love, then you wouldn't be able to recognize and then appreciate even more when the RIGHT person does come into your life....
Just a thought.
I'm not that much of a fan of this kind of perspective because I don't like to compare people.
Even if I respect others who think this way. What works for them, I respect that.
But I just think it comes down to luck and communication more so than right and wrong. Women are forever comparing their exes with current flames and I get that on some level. But when you're called Mr Right based off how other people in the past have done wrong, it's like great - the ex is never going to die really. A legacy that lives on through you. IMO more often than not the past deserves to stay dead.click to expand
Im not suggesting that a person should compare their exes with current people with whom they are dating.
When I say wrong, I mean wrong for that specific person. A man can date me today and be wrong for ME based on whatever incompatibilities then meet xy next month and be perfectly RIGHT for her. Hence, he was the wrong person for me, but the right person for her. Consequently, it has been my personal experience, that sometimes when we are not with a person with whom we are compatible with, they do the wrong things. I.e. basic incompatibilities or infidelity.
It's not about a compare and contrast routine. It's about being able to experience life, experience the good and the bad. Learn from them, take note and move on knowing that it didn't work out because that was the wrong person for you, then hopefully, making it easier for
**easier for one to recognize when the right person for THEM does come along.
I have known men to be complete and utter dogs to certain women, and then meet one woman, not cheat, nor lie, or be a prick, settle down, and get married. The end. He was wrong for his exes but right for his wife. Lol.
You can agree to disagree. Thats cool too. 🙂
I have known men to be complete and utter dogs to certain women, and then meet one woman, not cheat, nor lie, or be a prick, settle down, and get married. The end. He was wrong for his exes but right for his wife. Lol.
You can agree to disagree. Thats cool too. 🙂
When thinking about the dog s with fleas analogy, I couldn't help but to think about...
Posted by tiziani
Well actually when you put it like that, you're right. I don't look at it the same way naturally in those terms, but you are right.
And yes I think Aries men are the biggest proponents of this. Their standard M.O. as just proven in yet another thread is to kick their S/O out of shared living situations until they find the right one to slay them.
We are all douchebags to some degree or another when younger.
We can't all be right for one another..... Lol.
Posted by xygenerationPosted by natural25
**easier for one to recognize when the right person for THEM does come along.
I have known men to be complete and utter dogs to certain women, and then meet one woman, not cheat, nor lie, or be a prick, settle down, and get married. The end. He was wrong for his exes but right for his wife. Lol.
You can agree to disagree. Thats cool too. 🙂
Thanks to the exes and the lessons and the journey. A tadpole doesnt just turn into a toad.
click to expand
Riiiiiight!
I thank my ex. He helped to make me an even better woman for the right man!
Posted by xygeneration
Someday my exscorp will thank me when he meets his wife and be faithful to her. I was his stepping stone.
A little sarcasm
....but it doesn't even matter what he finds with whom. All that matters is you and your happiness!
Hopefully you were able to learn some valuable and positive lessons from the relationship. Now, you can (which Im sure you have) let go of any pain from that situation and move on. 🙂
Best Badu song for the situation.....I have never cheated on a guy before......though I walked in on my ex kissing a tranny on my couch in my apartment and i didn't have to guess what else they had been up to so I packed my shit and left in the morning, after I trashed everything..
Posted by tizianiPosted by natural25Posted by tiziani
Well actually when you put it like that, you're right. I don't look at it the same way naturally in those terms, but you are right.
And yes I think Aries men are the biggest proponents of this. Their standard M.O. as just proven in yet another thread is to kick their S/O out of shared living situations until they find the right one to slay them.
We are all douchebags to some degree or another when younger.
We can't all be right for one another..... Lol.
The problem is Venus Virgo has the fundamental believe they can make it worth with anyone. Even the wrong person. The fallacy of being a realist.click to expand
That I disagree with. Lol.
My Venus is in Sag. We know better. Ha!
Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
Best Badu song for the situation.....I have never cheated on a guy before......though I walked in on my ex kissing a tranny on my couch in my apartment and i didn't have to guess what else they had been up to so I packed my shit and left in the morning, after I trashed everything..
**I guess no one ever told you. All you have to hold onto is you. One day all them bags gon' get in your way. So, pack light✨*
In. that. order.
Posted by ellessquePosted by natural25
**easier for one to recognize when the right person for THEM does come along.
I have known men to be complete and utter dogs to certain women, and then meet one woman, not cheat, nor lie, or be a prick, settle down, and get married. The end. He was wrong for his exes but right for his wife. Lol.
You can agree to disagree. Thats cool too. 🙂Im not suggesting that a person should compare their exes with current people with whom they are dating.
When I say wrong, I mean wrong for that specific person. A man can date me today and be wrong for ME based on whatever incompatibilities then meet xy next month and be perfectly RIGHT for her. Hence, he was the wrong person for me, but the right person for her. Consequently, it has been my personal experience, that sometimes when we are not with a person with whom we are compatible with, they do the wrong things. I.e. basic incompatibilities or infidelity.
It's not about a compare and contrast routine. It's about being able to experience life, experience the good and the bad. Learn from them, take note and move on knowing that it didn't work out because that was the wrong person for you, then hopefully, making it easier forone to recognize when the right person for THEM does come along.
I have known men to be complete and utter dogs to certain women, and then meet one woman, not cheat, nor lie, or be a prick, settle down, and get married. The end. He was wrong for his exes but right for his wife. Lol.
I agree with this. Everyone has the potential of being a douchebag when with the wrong person.click to expand
Its all about being with the right person. We all just human, capable of mistakes.
Posted by ellessque
*makes a wish*
I haven't seen one of those stars in a long time!! 😛
I would say getting an ex pregnant, would definitely qualify as cheating unless you two were in an open relationship. YIkes.... Lol.
The star! The funny thing is, it was an accident. I made my wish none the less. I need it! 🙂
Posted by tiziani
my Virgo placements just fundamentally want to rebel against this "right person" stuff.
wanna fight...!?!?
Posted by xygenerationPosted by natural25Posted by xygeneration
Someday my exscorp will thank me when he meets his wife and be faithful to her. I was his stepping stone.
A little sarcasm
....but it doesn't even matter what he finds with whom. All that matters is you and your happiness!
Hopefully you were able to learn some valuable and positive lessons from the relationship. Now, you can (which Im sure you have) let go of any pain from that situation and move on. 🙂
It matters just as much as my life matters. He was a part of me and he can not just not matter all of a sudden as much as it pained me before.
I do wish him well and id like to see him grow. There's nothing better than seeing people progress. I think it makes me happy.
click to expand
If him "mattering" to you helps you to heal, then by all means. Go hog wild!
However, I am referring to if it places you in space of pain in any way.....
Obviously, do whatever leads to your happiness and wellness in the end.
Posted by tizianiPosted by natural25Posted by tiziani
my Virgo placements just fundamentally want to rebel against this "right person" stuff.
wanna fight...!?!?
Anyday 🙂 Although I owe Moody Vulcan first.click to expand
K.
I got next!
Posted by SnaekyPosted by natural25Posted by Snaeky
#quotation fail
....but I wanna' see it.... 😢
I think, what I wanted to say is, you're right. It takes the right man and right woman to actually love and trust each other. I have a personal problem with he way women think about men who are emotionally invested in relationships, but, that conversation is beyond the scope of the thread and it isn't really anyone's job to fix my personal problems.
So, que sera sera.click to expand
If you want, please feel feel to share your perspective.
Posted by ellessquePosted by natural25Posted by ellessque
*makes a wish*
I haven't seen one of those stars in a long time!! 😛
I would say getting an ex pregnant, would definitely qualify as cheating unless you two were in an open relationship. YIkes.... Lol.
The star! The funny thing is, it was an accident. I made my wish none the less. I need it! 🙂
No, not an open relationship. *shudders*
In spite of that experience (both of them, actually), I can still take some major life experiences from it. I learned a lot about myself during that timeframe and that has become very valuable in my life path and self-discovery.
I believe that is why those things happen. It just depends on what we *do* with them when they happen that counts the most.click to expand
Amen to that!
In 2011, I lost my father (who was my best friend) and my ex and I broke up. My ex with whom I just knew I was going to marry and have adorable round head baby boys with. Lol
It was an incredibly painful time. Terribly! But I am here. I moved out of state, started a doctorate program, and lived to tell the story. Im still alive and blessed. Lol. Well, Im being a little dramatic. But you catch my drift. Ha!
All I can do is learn the necessary lessons from the cards that I am dealt, process the pain, and then move on; thankful and grateful that I am still here and have yet another opportunity to get it all right.
It could be so much worse.
Posted by xygeneration
Oh no, not at al natural25.
Before it pained me, but id be lying to myself and making myself suffer if im bitter and blasting KARMAS A BEETCH.
Acceptance is part of healing and seeing that its not all so bad.
🙂
Posted by tiziani
I had the same double whammy loss experience as you natural, at nearly the same age (only a year younger and three years earlier than you, in my case).
Good luck to you. I don't feel that those kind of feelings, the pain or guilt, ever really go away completely. They subside somewhat. And what is left of them can be turned into motivation when invested into the right areas of life.
Thank you!
Dealing with certain aspects of losing my dad, never will go away. That is to be expected. It's a apart of grief.
Posted by natural25Posted by TheLadyScorpio
Never cheated. Do not see the attraction behind the concept either, be it, emotionally, mentally or spiritually, all very draining.
Even if the heart is fickle, never leave potholes of turd everywhere, instead neatly fill each one up dutifully before moving unto the next. It keeps ones journey on in life, nice and smooth, no drama, less of a bumpy ride, respecting all parties whilst keeping ones reputation in tact.
I just love reading your responses. Lol.
Agreed. Cheating inevitably causes more chaos and confusion than it is worthclick to expand
Frankly, I cannot see for the live of me, why individuals would expend that much amount of energy into cheating, leave! Then expend all that energy into a worthwhile relationship instead. Now that is efficiency.
Posted by StuckinpurgatoryPosted by natural25
Its interesting...
There are women who posted on this thread about being cheated on numerous occasion. Some repeatedly, in fact. However, they continue to believe in love. Their faith in the right person manifesting themselves, although may be not as strong as it was 10 years ago, still is in tact.
When men are cheated on just once, they sometimes develop a "down with love/women/relationships cynical attitude. As though this is not a part of life.Deception in any form, by anyone. As though, the WRONG person is NOT suppose to do the WRONG things in a relationship in one way or the other. After all, if the wrong person did not play their role, teaching you lessons about life, yourself, and love, then you wouldn't be able to recognize and then appreciate even more when the RIGHT person does come into your life....
Just a thought.
Well I've only been emotionally cheated on so far. I think I had a girlfriend before that for two weeks who cheated on me ( couldn't care less ). I didn't develop the attitude you describe up top. I've always been distant when it comes to giving myself completely to someone. So far I've done it with two people in my life. My first girlfriend who dumped me then chased me for years to come. Then someone else who I gave into and gave her more than any man will ever give her ( besides financial wise because I'm not rich ), and she was the one to emotionally cheat on me.
What I like to do ( Not sure yet if it's subconscious or just regular consciousness that does it ) is envelop myself in whatever bad happened to me. I let it eat at me until I become numb to it. Then I walk out stronger.click to expand
Do you think this truly works? Do you ever REALLY become numb to being hurt by a person you love.
Posted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by natural25Posted by TheLadyScorpio
Never cheated. Do not see the attraction behind the concept either, be it, emotionally, mentally or spiritually, all very draining.
Even if the heart is fickle, never leave potholes of turd everywhere, instead neatly fill each one up dutifully before moving unto the next. It keeps ones journey on in life, nice and smooth, no drama, less of a bumpy ride, respecting all parties whilst keeping ones reputation in tact.
I just love reading your responses. Lol.
Agreed. Cheating inevitably causes more chaos and confusion than it is worth
Frankly, I cannot see for the live of me, why individuals would expend that much amount of energy into cheating, leave! Then expend all that energy into a worthwhile relationship instead. Now that is efficiency.click to expand
I do not understand it.
What a waste of time and energy!
Just one of the many ways selfishness can rear its ugly head.
Posted by Stuckinpurgatory
Numb and then defensive against it. Pretty much. Can only really speak for myself.
So you can never be hurt in said situation again?
Posted by natural25Posted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by natural25Posted by TheLadyScorpio
Never cheated. Do not see the attraction behind the concept either, be it, emotionally, mentally or spiritually, all very draining.
Even if the heart is fickle, never leave potholes of turd everywhere, instead neatly fill each one up dutifully before moving unto the next. It keeps ones journey on in life, nice and smooth, no drama, less of a bumpy ride, respecting all parties whilst keeping ones reputation in tact.
I just love reading your responses. Lol.
Agreed. Cheating inevitably causes more chaos and confusion than it is worth
Frankly, I cannot see for the live of me, why individuals would expend that much amount of energy into cheating, leave! Then expend all that energy into a worthwhile relationship instead. Now that is efficiency.
I do not understand it.
What a waste of time and energy!
Just one of the many ways selfishness can rear its ugly head.click to expand
It is not even selfishness, it is utter idiocy. Any sense of logic put into it and cheating would hardly appear.
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