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Posted by seraphPosted by justagirlIt’s not hard to find an online ballistics calculator. A committed individual can think up a concern when wanting to accomplish something, research it online (for example) and then make notes.
Okay I have been trying to stay away from reports, this thread and conversations as I was getting super emotional but after seeing some of the reports this morning... I'm sitting here going wtf
He had calculations of trajectory?!? come on, I am leaning even more toward what others have said all week... shit is not adding up.
Even someone who knows nothing about guns might have a natural concern about range and chance to hit.
And besides, the claim is that the paper contained numbers (final numbers), not actual calculations. It’s like writing down the answer but not showing your work.
Given that he was a gambler, and not a bad one by what we know, he was at least competent with numbers.
If the question is whether it’s possible for an average, intelligent person to get answers regarding how to shoot successfully at certain ranges and altitudes, especially when they already know about guns, the answer is that it’s not only possible, but relativity easy.click to expand

Posted by seraphYaaa tall order indeed.Posted by justagirlYep. It seems a tall order.Posted by seraphPosted by justagirlIt’s not hard to find an online ballistics calculator. A committed individual can think up a concern when wanting to accomplish something, research it online (for example) and then make notes.
Okay I have been trying to stay away from reports, this thread and conversations as I was getting super emotional but after seeing some of the reports this morning... I'm sitting here going wtf
He had calculations of trajectory?!? come on, I am leaning even more toward what others have said all week... shit is not adding up.
Even someone who knows nothing about guns might have a natural concern about range and chance to hit.
And besides, the claim is that the paper contained numbers (final numbers), not actual calculations. It’s like writing down the answer but not showing your work.
Given that he was a gambler, and not a bad one by what we know, he was at least competent with numbers.
If the question is whether it’s possible for an average, intelligent person to get answers regarding how to shoot successfully at certain ranges and altitudes, especially when they already know about guns, the answer is that it’s not only possible, but relativity easy.
He was a retired IRS accountant too, so s numbers guy. That isn't that wtf,
It's the planning that is involved that has me going WTF
But someone with enough time, energy and money, and with a sufficient level of commitment, can accomplish surprising things all on their own.
For an experienced marksman, for example, such calculations as the ones he allegedly made are natural considerations.click to expand

Posted by seraphToo logical for my emotions at the moment. Thank you for your comments though🙂 I understand everything you have written but it still doesn't explain the why and we will most likely never know.Posted by justagirlGun collectors with clean backgrounds could conceivably buy a few a month. Would that raise suspicions? It’s a maybe. Not a guarantee, though. I can conceive of any number of factors that wouldn’t make it too difficult for him.Posted by seraphYaaa tall order indeed.Posted by justagirlYep. It seems a tall order.Posted by seraphPosted by justagirlIt’s not hard to find an online ballistics calculator. A committed individual can think up a concern when wanting to accomplish something, research it online (for example) and then make notes.
Okay I have been trying to stay away from reports, this thread and conversations as I was getting super emotional but after seeing some of the reports this morning... I'm sitting here going wtf
He had calculations of trajectory?!? come on, I am leaning even more toward what others have said all week... shit is not adding up.
Even someone who knows nothing about guns might have a natural concern about range and chance to hit.
And besides, the claim is that the paper contained numbers (final numbers), not actual calculations. It’s like writing down the answer but not showing your work.
Given that he was a gambler, and not a bad one by what we know, he was at least competent with numbers.
If the question is whether it’s possible for an average, intelligent person to get answers regarding how to shoot successfully at certain ranges and altitudes, especially when they already know about guns, the answer is that it’s not only possible, but relativity easy.
He was a retired IRS accountant too, so s numbers guy. That isn't that wtf,
It's the planning that is involved that has me going WTF
But someone with enough time, energy and money, and with a sufficient level of commitment, can accomplish surprising things all on their own.
For an experienced marksman, for example, such calculations as the ones he allegedly made are natural considerations.
A quiet, gambler that had little to no knowledge or connection with guns, except he bought 33 in the past 12 months, triggering zero red flags, brought 20 plus to the casino unseen, set up cameras unseen... had trajectory of the bullets? I mean...
😡😠😟
People bring luggage to casino hotels. It’s not hard to transport almost anything up to a room when in a bag. A few large duffel bags should do it, one by one. Especially if the guns can be taken apart. They can be kept in their bags in the room, or put away in drawers and closets with clothes draped over them. Housekeeping doesn’t normally shuffle through all that. Especially when such items in a room would be totally unexpected.
Setting up cameras unseen? I don’t know much at the moment about what’s involved. You’ve probably got me here.
Trajectory of bullets? Knowing your gun of choice and figuring out basic range/altitude etc. That’s not too hard. Any gun enthusiast, hunter, fighter jet enthusiast (from books, TV, games, etc.), or kid who plays call of duty or flight sims, knows that you can’t just shoot straight at a target because your bullets won’t hit at certain ranges. If the target’s moving, for example, you’ll need to aim somewhat in front of it. If you’ve ever seen a fighter jet fire its cannons you’d have noticed that the bullet spray accounts for the fact that it needs to be where the other jet *will* be, not where it is currently, and so on.click to expand

Posted by ItsMeRomantry usPosted by ellesbellesI can't link anything because they are on sites most of you would get hacked on.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/politics/fact-check-vegas-gunman.html
people keep saying "there are videos and pictures if you look" but I have yet to see anyone produce anything.
They are available. Looking in New York Times won't get you anywhere lol.click to expand

Posted by xBruceCampbellxAfaik he used the 100 round mags by Surefire.
I'm sure that a belt fed weapon was used, and not clip fed, as the media suggests.

Posted by xBruceCampbellxHAARP fried the guys brains. New firmware update, not only influences weather but thought patterns too.Posted by Mr_PinchyConspiracy theories are my "thang" at the moment.Posted by xBruceCampbellxAfaik he used the 100 round mags by Surefire.
I'm sure that a belt fed weapon was used, and not clip fed, as the media suggests.
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Posted by Mr_PinchyWhat's that? A high powered rifle?Posted by xBruceCampbellxAfaik he used the 100 round mags by Surefire.
I'm sure that a belt fed weapon was used, and not clip fed, as the media suggests.
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Posted by xBruceCampbellxThe media did it themselves to get more right wings on their side. They never had the right in the first place, and the left has been slipping rapidly. Everything all the way down to the place it happened at was just a ploy to gain right wing supporters. It's also making certain right wingers lean a bit to the left now.Posted by Mr_PinchyConspiracy theories are my "thang" at the moment.Posted by xBruceCampbellxAfaik he used the 100 round mags by Surefire.
I'm sure that a belt fed weapon was used, and not clip fed, as the media suggests.
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Posted by ellesbellesWtf! I agree with everything you said. I only watched that today, nothing else..so I hadn't seen any articles on stuff since Friday. I went into emotional overload Friday so I stayedPosted by justagirlYou didn't misunderstand it.
If y'all want to see the LVMP update given a few hours ago.
they are saying now the security officer was shot before the crowd was shot at? or did I misunderstand that? it's around the 8:35 mark he gets asked about that.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html
Imho, I don't think police did their job and I dont think they had any clue where the gunfire was coming from.
I originally thought they may have killed him but I now believe he killed himself.
It took them....if I remember...72 minutes to get to his room once the shooting started. It lasted...12 minutes?
Bottom line....thank God he offed himself because he could have shot for another hour.
Perhaps the security card prevented a longer event because that was up close and personal....making him connected to his victim instead of detached from a crowd.click to expand

Posted by ellesbelles
I have watched tons of video footage today....and it took some time for people to take the shots seriously.
From ground level you could simply not tell where the gunfire was coming from.
The echoes made things very confusing for everyone, even police.
The taxi driver at the Mandalay Bay circle.....shows people casually hanging out as if nothing was happening.
The way the hotels and attractions are built....and how massive they are....an untrained person would think it was part of a show.

Posted by ellesbellesOh I know, sorry if I seem upset with you. I'm not, I appreciate your thought processes, they are similar to mine. I've been back n forth on the second shooter theory, I just think some credible evidence would have shown up by now.Posted by justagirlI know. I was just answering your question and got carried away because I just binge watched a bunch of footage from anonymous.Posted by ellesbellesWtf! I agree with everything you said. I only watched that today, nothing else..so I hadn't seen any articles on stuff since Friday. I went into emotional overload Friday so I stayedPosted by justagirlYou didn't misunderstand it.
If y'all want to see the LVMP update given a few hours ago.
they are saying now the security officer was shot before the crowd was shot at? or did I misunderstand that? it's around the 8:35 mark he gets asked about that.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html
Imho, I don't think police did their job and I dont think they had any clue where the gunfire was coming from.
I originally thought they may have killed him but I now believe he killed himself.
It took them....if I remember...72 minutes to get to his room once the shooting started. It lasted...12 minutes?
Bottom line....thank God he offed himself because he could have shot for another hour.
Perhaps the security card prevented a longer event because that was up close and personal....making him connected to his victim instead of detached from a crowd.
Home and bing watched Outlander and stayed off tv and social media.
I am just so angry Elle. Sad and angry. So many hurt and lost.
That wasn't directed towards you.
I am trying really hard to hear and see what others are...and I just can't.
We all want to make sense of this but I think it's impossible.click to expand

Posted by ellesbellesMerc in cap is bluntly tearing shit up lolPosted by justagirllol...its okay.Posted by ellesbellesOh I know, sorry if I seem upset with you. I'm not, I appreciate your thought processes, they are similar to mine. I've been back n forth on the second shooter theory, I just think some evidence would have shown up by now.Posted by justagirlI know. I was just answering your question and got carried away because I just binge watched a bunch of footage from anonymous.Posted by ellesbellesWtf! I agree with everything you said. I only watched that today, nothing else..so I hadn't seen any articles on stuff since Friday. I went into emotional overload Friday so I stayedPosted by justagirlYou didn't misunderstand it.
If y'all want to see the LVMP update given a few hours ago.
they are saying now the security officer was shot before the crowd was shot at? or did I misunderstand that? it's around the 8:35 mark he gets asked about that.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html
Imho, I don't think police did their job and I dont think they had any clue where the gunfire was coming from.
I originally thought they may have killed him but I now believe he killed himself.
It took them....if I remember...72 minutes to get to his room once the shooting started. It lasted...12 minutes?
Bottom line....thank God he offed himself because he could have shot for another hour.
Perhaps the security card prevented a longer event because that was up close and personal....making him connected to his victim instead of detached from a crowd.
Home and bing watched Outlander and stayed off tv and social media.
I am just so angry Elle. Sad and angry. So many hurt and lost.
That wasn't directed towards you.
I am trying really hard to hear and see what others are...and I just can't.
We all want to make sense of this but I think it's impossible.
The wtf was to what you were saying about the situation not what you said lol sorry.
Merc in sag is all over the place.click to expand

Posted by ellesbellesI do too ...
I still wholeheartedly believe he is the one and only shooter.


Posted by xBruceCampbellxIt would be flawless, and always has been. Just do something crazy, the masses will deeply want the person caught, frame some random guy with mental issues and say it was him, then the masses will praise you.Posted by SoulInteresting perspective.Posted by xBruceCampbellxThe media did it themselves to get more right wings on their side. They never had the right in the first place, and the left has been slipping rapidly. Everything all the way down to the place it happened at was just a ploy to gain right wing supporters. It's also making certain right wingers lean a bit to the left now.Posted by Mr_PinchyConspiracy theories are my "thang" at the moment.Posted by xBruceCampbellxAfaik he used the 100 round mags by Surefire.
I'm sure that a belt fed weapon was used, and not clip fed, as the media suggests.
Just my observation.
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Posted by ellesbellesNow that I am home, I wanted to comment more.
I have watched tons of video footage today....and it took some time for people to take the shots seriously.
From ground level you could simply not tell where the gunfire was coming from.
The echoes made things very confusing for everyone, even police.
The taxi driver at the Mandalay Bay circle.....shows people casually hanging out as if nothing was happening.
The way the hotels and attractions are built....and how massive they are....an untrained person would think it was part of a show.

Posted by LibraLovesHimThe only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/
And now this...
As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.

Posted by LittleFairyI find it SUPER odd anyway that American's believe its like "they want to deweapon us and make us powerless" what is the anticipation of war against your own govt all about? Its just a very strange concept to me I guess. I DO NOT think your average Tom Dick and Harry should be permitted to run about the streets carrying guns. People are crazy enough without having access to deadly weapons.Posted by LibraLovesHimThe only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/
And now this...
As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.click to expand

Posted by LibraLovesHimBig money to be had is what it's all about for the top percenters.Posted by LittleFairyI find it SUPER odd anyway that American's believe its like "they want to deweapon us and make us powerless" what is the anticipation of war against your own govt all about? Its just a very strange concept to me I guess. I DO NOT think your average Tom Dick and Harry should be permitted to run about the streets carrying guns. People are crazy enough without having access to deadly weapons.Posted by LibraLovesHimThe only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/
And now this...
As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.click to expand


Posted by justagirlPosted by Mr_PinchyWhat's that? A high powered rifle?Posted by xBruceCampbellxAfaik he used the 100 round mags by Surefire.
I'm sure that a belt fed weapon was used, and not clip fed, as the media suggests.
click to expand

Posted by LittleFairyExplain Chicago then, a city ran by a Democratic party mayor, toughest gun laws in the US, 60 dead a month, ie the tally of this shooting happens every month in Chicago.Posted by LibraLovesHimThe only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/
And now this...
As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.click to expand

Posted by ellesbellesPosted by justagirllol...its okay.Posted by ellesbellesOh I know, sorry if I seem upset with you. I'm not, I appreciate your thought processes, they are similar to mine. I've been back n forth on the second shooter theory, I just think some evidence would have shown up by now.Posted by justagirlI know. I was just answering your question and got carried away because I just binge watched a bunch of footage from anonymous.Posted by ellesbellesWtf! I agree with everything you said. I only watched that today, nothing else..so I hadn't seen any articles on stuff since Friday. I went into emotional overload Friday so I stayedPosted by justagirlYou didn't misunderstand it.
If y'all want to see the LVMP update given a few hours ago.
they are saying now the security officer was shot before the crowd was shot at? or did I misunderstand that? it's around the 8:35 mark he gets asked about that.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html
Imho, I don't think police did their job and I dont think they had any clue where the gunfire was coming from.
I originally thought they may have killed him but I now believe he killed himself.
It took them....if I remember...72 minutes to get to his room once the shooting started. It lasted...12 minutes?
Bottom line....thank God he offed himself because he could have shot for another hour.
Perhaps the security card prevented a longer event because that was up close and personal....making him connected to his victim instead of detached from a crowd.
Home and bing watched Outlander and stayed off tv and social media.
I am just so angry Elle. Sad and angry. So many hurt and lost.
That wasn't directed towards you.
I am trying really hard to hear and see what others are...and I just can't.
We all want to make sense of this but I think it's impossible.
The wtf was to what you were saying about the situation not what you said lol sorry.
Merc in sag is all over the place.click to expand


Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeI see that now, at the time I posted it the news was just that a mad man was on the loose on a school campus.Posted by LibraLovesHimHe shot a cop like an idiot this isn't mass murder
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/
And now this...
As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
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Posted by Mr_PinchyEasily ..that is not truePosted by LittleFairyExplain Chicago then, a city ran by a Democratic party mayor, toughest gun laws in the USPosted by LibraLovesHimThe only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/
And now this...
As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
click to expand

Posted by LittleFairyOkay, so not the toughest gun laws, one of the strongest laws in the whole country then. Murders keep racking up. Anything else?Posted by Mr_PinchyEasily ..that is not truePosted by LittleFairyPosted by LibraLovesHimThe only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/
And now this...
As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
Explain Chicago then, a city ran by a Democratic party mayor, toughest gun laws in the US
http://www.politifact.com/illinois/statements/2017/oct/03/sarah-huckabee-sanders/chicago-toughest-gun-control-claim-shot-full-holes/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-gun-control-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html
It's negating the credibility of your argument when you make claims like this.
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Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeDifferent brother than the one that spoke to the news
His brother just got Jailed for Child Pornography!

Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeStill- that family is messed up obviously.Posted by justagirloh okayPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeDifferent brother than the one that spoke to the news
His brother just got Jailed for Child Pornography!
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He had calculations of trajectory?!? come on, I am leaning even more toward what others have said all week... shit is not adding up.