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Okay I have been trying to stay away from reports, this thread and conversations as I was getting super emotional but after seeing some of the reports this morning... I'm sitting here going wtf

He had calculations of trajectory?!? come on, I am leaning even more toward what others have said all week... shit is not adding up.
It’s not hard to find an online ballistics calculator. A committed individual can think up a concern when wanting to accomplish something, research it online (for example) and then make notes.

Even someone who knows nothing about guns might have a natural concern about range and chance to hit.

And besides, the claim is that the paper contained numbers (final numbers), not actual calculations. It’s like writing down the answer but not showing your work.

Given that he was a gambler, and not a bad one by what we know, he was at least competent with numbers.

If the question is whether it’s possible for an average, intelligent person to get answers regarding how to shoot successfully at certain ranges and altitudes, especially when they already know about guns, the answer is that it’s not only possible, but relativity easy.
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He was a retired IRS accountant too, so s numbers guy. That isn't that wtf,

It's the planning that is involved that has me going WTF
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Okay I have been trying to stay away from reports, this thread and conversations as I was getting super emotional but after seeing some of the reports this morning... I'm sitting here going wtf

He had calculations of trajectory?!? come on, I am leaning even more toward what others have said all week... shit is not adding up.
It’s not hard to find an online ballistics calculator. A committed individual can think up a concern when wanting to accomplish something, research it online (for example) and then make notes.

Even someone who knows nothing about guns might have a natural concern about range and chance to hit.

And besides, the claim is that the paper contained numbers (final numbers), not actual calculations. It’s like writing down the answer but not showing your work.

Given that he was a gambler, and not a bad one by what we know, he was at least competent with numbers.

If the question is whether it’s possible for an average, intelligent person to get answers regarding how to shoot successfully at certain ranges and altitudes, especially when they already know about guns, the answer is that it’s not only possible, but relativity easy.

He was a retired IRS accountant too, so s numbers guy. That isn't that wtf,

It's the planning that is involved that has me going WTF


Yep. It seems a tall order.

But someone with enough time, energy and money, and with a sufficient level of commitment, can accomplish surprising things all on their own.

For an experienced marksman, for example, such calculations as the ones he allegedly made are natural considerations.
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Yaaa tall order indeed.

A quiet, gambler that had little to no knowledge or connection with guns, except he bought 33 in the past 12 months, triggering zero red flags, brought 20 plus to the casino unseen, set up cameras unseen... had trajectory of the bullets? I mean...

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Posted by seraph
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Okay I have been trying to stay away from reports, this thread and conversations as I was getting super emotional but after seeing some of the reports this morning... I'm sitting here going wtf

He had calculations of trajectory?!? come on, I am leaning even more toward what others have said all week... shit is not adding up.
It’s not hard to find an online ballistics calculator. A committed individual can think up a concern when wanting to accomplish something, research it online (for example) and then make notes.

Even someone who knows nothing about guns might have a natural concern about range and chance to hit.

And besides, the claim is that the paper contained numbers (final numbers), not actual calculations. It’s like writing down the answer but not showing your work.

Given that he was a gambler, and not a bad one by what we know, he was at least competent with numbers.

If the question is whether it’s possible for an average, intelligent person to get answers regarding how to shoot successfully at certain ranges and altitudes, especially when they already know about guns, the answer is that it’s not only possible, but relativity easy.

He was a retired IRS accountant too, so s numbers guy. That isn't that wtf,

It's the planning that is involved that has me going WTF


Yep. It seems a tall order.

But someone with enough time, energy and money, and with a sufficient level of commitment, can accomplish surprising things all on their own.

For an experienced marksman, for example, such calculations as the ones he allegedly made are natural considerations.
Yaaa tall order indeed.

A quiet, gambler that had little to no knowledge or connection with guns, except he bought 33 in the past 12 months, triggering zero red flags, brought 20 plus to the casino unseen, set up cameras unseen... had trajectory of the bullets? I mean...

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Gun collectors with clean backgrounds could conceivably buy a few a month. Would that raise suspicions? It’s a maybe. Not a guarantee, though. I can conceive of any number of factors that wouldn’t make it too difficult for him.

People bring luggage to casino hotels. It’s not hard to transport almost anything up to a room when in a bag. A few large duffel bags should do it, one by one. Especially if the guns can be taken apart. They can be kept in their bags in the room, or put away in drawers and closets with clothes draped over them. Housekeeping doesn’t normally shuffle through all that. Especially when such items in a room would be totally unexpected.

Setting up cameras unseen? I don’t know much at the moment about what’s involved. You’ve probably got me here.

Trajectory of bullets? Knowing your gun of choice and figuring out basic range/altitude etc. That’s not too hard. Any gun enthusiast, hunter, fighter jet enthusiast (from books, TV, games, etc.), or kid who plays call of duty or flight sims, knows that you can’t just shoot straight at a target because your bullets won’t hit at certain ranges. If the target’s moving, for example, you’ll need to aim somewhat in front of it. If you’ve ever seen a fighter jet fire its cannons you’d have noticed that the bullet spray accounts for the fact that it needs to be where the other jet *will* be, not where it is currently, and so on.
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Too logical for my emotions at the moment. Thank you for your comments though🙂 I understand everything you have written but it still doesn't explain the why and we will most likely never know.



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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/politics/fact-check-vegas-gunman.html

people keep saying "there are videos and pictures if you look" but I have yet to see anyone produce anything.
I can't link anything because they are on sites most of you would get hacked on.

They are available. Looking in New York Times won't get you anywhere lol.
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I'm sure that a belt fed weapon was used, and not clip fed, as the media suggests.
Afaik he used the 100 round mags by Surefire.


Conspiracy theories are my "thang" at the moment.

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HAARP fried the guys brains. New firmware update, not only influences weather but thought patterns too.

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I'm sure that a belt fed weapon was used, and not clip fed, as the media suggests.
Afaik he used the 100 round mags by Surefire.


Conspiracy theories are my "thang" at the moment.

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The media did it themselves to get more right wings on their side. They never had the right in the first place, and the left has been slipping rapidly. Everything all the way down to the place it happened at was just a ploy to gain right wing supporters. It's also making certain right wingers lean a bit to the left now.

Just my observation.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-paddock-gamble-1m-valium-doctor-retainer-motive-a7990736.html

Las Vegas: Stephen Paddock 'gambled $ 1m a night' and had Valium doctor on retainer.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/07/cops-reveal-what-was-on-the-vegas-madmans-cryptic-note/

shows he spent time mathematically maximizing his firing accuracy so he could kill as many people as possible.

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If y'all want to see the LVMP update given a few hours ago.





they are saying now the security officer was shot before the crowd was shot at? or did I misunderstand that? it's around the 8:35 mark he gets asked about that.
You didn't misunderstand it.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

Imho, I don't think police did their job and I dont think they had any clue where the gunfire was coming from.

I originally thought they may have killed him but I now believe he killed himself.

It took them....if I remember...72 minutes to get to his room once the shooting started. It lasted...12 minutes?

Bottom line....thank God he offed himself because he could have shot for another hour.

Perhaps the security card prevented a longer event because that was up close and personal....making him connected to his victim instead of detached from a crowd.
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Wtf! I agree with everything you said. I only watched that today, nothing else..so I hadn't seen any articles on stuff since Friday. I went into emotional overload Friday so I stayed

Home and bing watched Outlander and stayed off tv and social media.

I am just so angry Elle. Sad and angry. So many hurt and lost.
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I have watched tons of video footage today....and it took some time for people to take the shots seriously.

From ground level you could simply not tell where the gunfire was coming from.

The echoes made things very confusing for everyone, even police.

The taxi driver at the Mandalay Bay circle.....shows people casually hanging out as if nothing was happening.

The way the hotels and attractions are built....and how massive they are....an untrained person would think it was part of a show.


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If y'all want to see the LVMP update given a few hours ago.





they are saying now the security officer was shot before the crowd was shot at? or did I misunderstand that? it's around the 8:35 mark he gets asked about that.
You didn't misunderstand it.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

Imho, I don't think police did their job and I dont think they had any clue where the gunfire was coming from.

I originally thought they may have killed him but I now believe he killed himself.

It took them....if I remember...72 minutes to get to his room once the shooting started. It lasted...12 minutes?

Bottom line....thank God he offed himself because he could have shot for another hour.

Perhaps the security card prevented a longer event because that was up close and personal....making him connected to his victim instead of detached from a crowd.
Wtf! I agree with everything you said. I only watched that today, nothing else..so I hadn't seen any articles on stuff since Friday. I went into emotional overload Friday so I stayed

Home and bing watched Outlander and stayed off tv and social media.

I am just so angry Elle. Sad and angry. So many hurt and lost.
I know. I was just answering your question and got carried away because I just binge watched a bunch of footage from anonymous.

That wasn't directed towards you.

I am trying really hard to hear and see what others are...and I just can't.

We all want to make sense of this but I think it's impossible.
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Oh I know, sorry if I seem upset with you. I'm not, I appreciate your thought processes, they are similar to mine. I've been back n forth on the second shooter theory, I just think some credible evidence would have shown up by now.

The wtf was to what you were saying about the situation not what you said lol sorry.
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Posted by justagirl
Posted by ellesbelles
Posted by justagirl
Posted by ellesbelles
Posted by justagirl
If y'all want to see the LVMP update given a few hours ago.





they are saying now the security officer was shot before the crowd was shot at? or did I misunderstand that? it's around the 8:35 mark he gets asked about that.
You didn't misunderstand it.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

Imho, I don't think police did their job and I dont think they had any clue where the gunfire was coming from.

I originally thought they may have killed him but I now believe he killed himself.

It took them....if I remember...72 minutes to get to his room once the shooting started. It lasted...12 minutes?

Bottom line....thank God he offed himself because he could have shot for another hour.

Perhaps the security card prevented a longer event because that was up close and personal....making him connected to his victim instead of detached from a crowd.
Wtf! I agree with everything you said. I only watched that today, nothing else..so I hadn't seen any articles on stuff since Friday. I went into emotional overload Friday so I stayed

Home and bing watched Outlander and stayed off tv and social media.

I am just so angry Elle. Sad and angry. So many hurt and lost.
I know. I was just answering your question and got carried away because I just binge watched a bunch of footage from anonymous.

That wasn't directed towards you.

I am trying really hard to hear and see what others are...and I just can't.

We all want to make sense of this but I think it's impossible.
Oh I know, sorry if I seem upset with you. I'm not, I appreciate your thought processes, they are similar to mine. I've been back n forth on the second shooter theory, I just think some evidence would have shown up by now.

The wtf was to what you were saying about the situation not what you said lol sorry.
lol...its okay.

Merc in sag is all over the place.
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Merc in cap is bluntly tearing shit up lol
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http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/

And now this...

As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
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Posted by Mr_Pinchy
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I'm sure that a belt fed weapon was used, and not clip fed, as the media suggests.
Afaik he used the 100 round mags by Surefire.


Conspiracy theories are my "thang" at the moment.


The media did it themselves to get more right wings on their side. They never had the right in the first place, and the left has been slipping rapidly. Everything all the way down to the place it happened at was just a ploy to gain right wing supporters. It's also making certain right wingers lean a bit to the left now.

Just my observation.
Interesting perspective.

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It would be flawless, and always has been. Just do something crazy, the masses will deeply want the person caught, frame some random guy with mental issues and say it was him, then the masses will praise you.

The root of this is the fact TV in general is dying. With Netflix, Youtube, and other places to get entrainment cable TV is like a fossil. The only thing people watch cable TV for nowadays is sports and, you guessed it the news. Is also funny the even sports shows like american football for instance are starting tons of drama as of late. Tv networks are even taking over Youtube, and screwing over all the every day people who use it to make a living. They just had to pay Youtube a large sum of money and they were sold. Big stories call for big money, the only real question is if the amount they made was worth more then medical bills of those who survived.
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Posted by ellesbelles
I have watched tons of video footage today....and it took some time for people to take the shots seriously.

From ground level you could simply not tell where the gunfire was coming from.

The echoes made things very confusing for everyone, even police.

The taxi driver at the Mandalay Bay circle.....shows people casually hanging out as if nothing was happening.

The way the hotels and attractions are built....and how massive they are....an untrained person would think it was part of a show.
Now that I am home, I wanted to comment more.

The taxi video was very telling. not sure if you have ever stayed at Mandalay Bay and how it's set up for taxis. it is a long drive for the cab drivers that basically follows the front part of the casino. Mandalay is a giant Y with the 2 main points facing the Las vegas strip. the right wing is the area he was at. the taxis follow along that to get to the center pick up/drop off. So when the shots move, i think he was going from one window to the other or it may have just been echos and the other window was busted out to let the smoke created out of the main room, who knows.

Not sure if this will work but this is a close up of the satellite image of the road leading up to the casino and the area the room was at and the concert venue is kitty corner. The airport is just a road or two over as well, the two giant round towers, have fuel in them and suppsoely had been shot at as well.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0924935,-115.1742064,181m/data=!3m1!1e3

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http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/

And now this...

As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
The only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
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http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/

And now this...

As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
The only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
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I find it SUPER odd anyway that American's believe its like "they want to deweapon us and make us powerless" what is the anticipation of war against your own govt all about? Its just a very strange concept to me I guess. I DO NOT think your average Tom Dick and Harry should be permitted to run about the streets carrying guns. People are crazy enough without having access to deadly weapons.
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Posted by LibraLovesHim
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/

And now this...

As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
The only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
I find it SUPER odd anyway that American's believe its like "they want to deweapon us and make us powerless" what is the anticipation of war against your own govt all about? Its just a very strange concept to me I guess. I DO NOT think your average Tom Dick and Harry should be permitted to run about the streets carrying guns. People are crazy enough without having access to deadly weapons.
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Big money to be had is what it's all about for the top percenters.

Many Americans feel as you do. I am one of them. I do not condem those that choose to carry, it's their right but I do feel we need stronger laws and again, there needs to be a limit on the types and how many a person owns. 2nd amendment was written long before the current types of weapons had even been conceived, it needs to be updated to go along with the types of guns around.
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Posted by LibraLovesHim
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/

And now this...

As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
The only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
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Explain Chicago then, a city ran by a Democratic party mayor, toughest gun laws in the US, 60 dead a month, ie the tally of this shooting happens every month in Chicago.

Click on the months tab at the top of the chart and a list will appear.

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2017-chicago-murders



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Posted by ellesbelles
Posted by justagirl
Posted by ellesbelles
Posted by justagirl
Posted by ellesbelles
Posted by justagirl
If y'all want to see the LVMP update given a few hours ago.





they are saying now the security officer was shot before the crowd was shot at? or did I misunderstand that? it's around the 8:35 mark he gets asked about that.
You didn't misunderstand it.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

Imho, I don't think police did their job and I dont think they had any clue where the gunfire was coming from.

I originally thought they may have killed him but I now believe he killed himself.

It took them....if I remember...72 minutes to get to his room once the shooting started. It lasted...12 minutes?

Bottom line....thank God he offed himself because he could have shot for another hour.

Perhaps the security card prevented a longer event because that was up close and personal....making him connected to his victim instead of detached from a crowd.
Wtf! I agree with everything you said. I only watched that today, nothing else..so I hadn't seen any articles on stuff since Friday. I went into emotional overload Friday so I stayed

Home and bing watched Outlander and stayed off tv and social media.

I am just so angry Elle. Sad and angry. So many hurt and lost.
I know. I was just answering your question and got carried away because I just binge watched a bunch of footage from anonymous.

That wasn't directed towards you.

I am trying really hard to hear and see what others are...and I just can't.

We all want to make sense of this but I think it's impossible.
Oh I know, sorry if I seem upset with you. I'm not, I appreciate your thought processes, they are similar to mine. I've been back n forth on the second shooter theory, I just think some evidence would have shown up by now.

The wtf was to what you were saying about the situation not what you said lol sorry.
lol...its okay.

Merc in sag is all over the place.
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http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/

And now this...

As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
He shot a cop like an idiot this isn't mass murder

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I see that now, at the time I posted it the news was just that a mad man was on the loose on a school campus.
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Posted by LibraLovesHim
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/

And now this...

As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
The only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.
Explain Chicago then, a city ran by a Democratic party mayor, toughest gun laws in the US



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Easily ..that is not true

http://www.politifact.com/illinois/statements/2017/oct/03/sarah-huckabee-sanders/chicago-toughest-gun-control-claim-shot-full-holes/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-gun-control-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

It's negating the credibility of your argument when you make claims like this.

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Posted by LittleFairy
Posted by LibraLovesHim
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/texas-tech-on-lockdown-after-reported-shooting-tweet-indicates-shooter-is-at-large/

And now this...

As i'm aware most Americans are all about politics. It rules their lives. Is all this in any way connected to influence some sort of outcome for new gun laws? Or is there really just tons of mad men shooting out every few months, and getting more regular with zero connection.
The only way is tough guns laws. And an effort to take in guns off the street like an amnesty.


Explain Chicago then, a city ran by a Democratic party mayor, toughest gun laws in the US




Easily ..that is not true

http://www.politifact.com/illinois/statements/2017/oct/03/sarah-huckabee-sanders/chicago-toughest-gun-control-claim-shot-full-holes/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-gun-control-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

It's negating the credibility of your argument when you make claims like this.

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Okay, so not the toughest gun laws, one of the strongest laws in the whole country then. Murders keep racking up. Anything else?

It is true that Illinois has tougher gun laws than many other states. The state is one of seven that requires licenses or permits to buy any firearm, and it's one of five that requires waiting periods for buying any firearm. The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which tracks gun laws nationwide, has given the state a B+ for its gun laws.

Chicago itself has some tough laws — there is an assault-weapons ban in Cook County, for example. But it's not true that Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country. At one point, it did have much tougher laws — it had banned handguns in the city limits, but a 2008 Supreme Court ruling declared that ban unconstitutional, and a 2010 ruling reaffirmed that. The city also had had a gun registry program since 1968, but ended it in 2013 when the state passed a law allowing the concealed carry of weapons.


http://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work

To further expand the argument, California, apparently boasting the toughest gun laws in the US has 4.8 murders per 100.000 inhabitants while Illinois has 5.9 per 100.000. Big difference eh?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-2

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Something a tad more positive.

"Las Vegas hospitals are showing their commitment to the #VegasStrong movement by helping the victims of the Route 91 mass shooting with their medical cost.

Several Las Vegas hospitals took in victims during the tragic event without knowledge of insurance or finances, as they should, and now at least one Las Vegas of those hospitals is swallowing the bill.

St. Rose Dominican says they won't require any payment from any of the victims, but they are collecting donations from the community.

Other hospitals have also made a commitment to work the victims of the Oct. 1 shooting. University Medical Center says they're working to collect donations, while Sunrise Hospital says they're still working to take care of patients needs and will be extremely sensitive to the financial status of the victims."

The gofund me is over 10.6 million as well.