Over the Counter Abortion Pill

I'm all about choice, to each his/her own...but this caused me to pause due to the amount of nut jobs out there...


Man tricked ex into miscarriage with abortion-pill smoothie

A Norwegian man who slipped abortion pills into his ex-girlfriend??s smoothie and caused her to have a miscarriage claims it was —the only way out.??

The 26-year-old pleaded guilty Monday to inflicting serious bodily harm and also to terminating a pregnancy without the mother??s consent. The prosecution wants a seven-year sentence.

The 20-year-old woman lost the baby in her 12th week of pregnancy, following the man??s second attempt to sneak her abortion pills. The first time he tried passing off the pills, which he bought online, as painkillers.

—He tried several times to convince me to have an abortion but it was not an option for me,?? the woman told a court in Trondheim, reports the Norwegian public broadcaster NRK.

After drinking the smoothie, the woman experienced severe abdominal pain and later miscarried that evening.
http://nypost.com/2015/03/12/man-tricked-ex-into-miscarriage-with-abortion-pill-smoothie/<BR>
What a guy eh? I guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?

Punishment? Off with his dick with a butter knife.

Very fitting.

Shocked, but, somehow, I'm not surprised someone would stoop to this.

The feds just gave the green light for "Palcohol" too.. (powdered alcohol)

Just watch when that hits the market this summer..

Posted by e11e
I can see this becoming more and more common.

Yea...the media attention alone on this will boost the abortion rate some I'm sure.

Really though .... she kind of deserved it.

You get what you deserve ... that's life.

He didn't want to have a baby, and when he tried to have this discussion, in her own words, "it was not an option for me" ... so discuss what the options are rather than decide he has no choice.

That's pretty fucked up that a woman gets it her way. Had she been willing to have a discussion, then perhaps he wouldn't have taken such drastic measures.

She has to take some responsibility in the events turning out the way they did.

Posted by LetltB

... terminating a pregnancy without the mother??s consent

He tried several times to convince me to have an abortion but it was not an option for me

Yet, having the baby was without the father's consent ... so, it's a draw.

The woman doesn't get to be automatically right.

I think it's a great idea.

Women need to be brought down a notch anyway ... they have this irrational belief that they rule men, and that they can manipulate them by getting pregnant.

The male was able to use a condom (and the addition of spermicide), have a vasectomy, abstain, leave the relationship...

...but, causing a miscarriage? Because she said no to an abortion?

Apparently, he takes no responsibility for his own reproduction... the focus is on hers, her body.

This is the second time I heard this was done.

Unfortunately, this probably will become more and more common.

It is the direct result of women having ALL of the control in reproductive matters.

If he wanted the baby, and she wanted an abortion, and abortion it would be -- what he chooses be damned.

This is the reverse situation and folks are up in arms. Welcome to the world of being a man. Zero control, or choice, in reproductive matters. Sucks, huh?

I am in no way advocating what this man did. I personally find it sick!

In general,

it amazes me how women's reproduction has been such a focus to divide the country - be the subject and purpose of law.

Vagina laws
Vagina monologues

Posted by VenusAquarius
In general,

it amazes me how women's reproduction has been such a focus to divide the country - be the subject and purpose of law.

Vagina laws
Vagina monologues

I think it is because things are defined as "women's reproduction".

Unless ladies have become asexual, it takes a man and a woman to reproduce, yet men are largely excluded from the jump.

Then we hears the cries of absentee fathers. You cut many of them out from the beginning. It is a huge problem, absentee fathers that is (maybe the biggest in the US), but not totally surprising with the exclusion of them in reproductive rights, and the family court agenda.

Sad all around.

Posted by P-Angel

Posted by LetltB

... terminating a pregnancy without the mother??s consent

He tried several times to convince me to have an abortion but it was not an option for me

Yet, having the baby was without the father's consent ... so, it's a draw.

The woman doesn't get to be automatically right.

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I guess fucking her without protection with consent was right and optional too.

Posted by P-Angel

I think it's a great idea.

Using a condom would have been smart don't you think P-angel?

Posted by CapTenn

This is the reverse situation and folks are up in arms. Welcome to the world of being a man. Zero control, or choice, in reproductive matters. Sucks, huh?

I am in no way advocating what this man did. I personally find it sick!

I get what you mean about the desperate women out there and what they will do to trap a man...boy, do I.

Yet...I have to ask, doesn't a man have control from the time they unzip and placing a condom on?

Posted by CapTenn

Posted by VenusAquarius
In general,

it amazes me how women's reproduction has been such a focus to divide the country - be the subject and purpose of law.

Vagina laws
Vagina monologues

I think it is because things are defined as "women's reproduction".

Unless ladies have become asexual, it takes a man and a woman to reproduce, yet men are largely excluded from the jump.

Then we hears the cries of absentee fathers. You cut many of them out from the beginning. It is a huge problem, absentee fathers that is (maybe the biggest in the US), but not totally surprising with the exclusion of them in reproductive rights, and the family court agenda.

Sad all around.

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I think it's called intercourse for a reason.

Enter penis, enter sperm, enter fetus.

Don't enter penis, don't enter sperm, don't enter fetus.

I don't know what's so difficult?

Posted by LetltB

Posted by CapTenn

This is the reverse situation and folks are up in arms. Welcome to the world of being a man. Zero control, or choice, in reproductive matters. Sucks, huh?

I am in no way advocating what this man did. I personally find it sick!

I get what you mean about the desperate women out there and what they will do to trap a man...boy, do I.

Yet...I have to ask, doesn't a man have control from the time they unzip and placing a condom on?

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Yes, indeed. Men have just as much culpability as women. It takes two to tango in all facets --- until conception.

Then the ladies are driving the bus all alone.

Then again...the "good ole boys" club, and the corporate pharmaceutical companies were thinking ahead here with this drug knowing this drug would be abused as such.


One just never knows....maybe it will be an eye opener to the women who part their legs at "hello".

Either way...this chump will now be a poster child for the Abortion Pill. 😉

Posted by VenusAquarius

Posted by CapTenn

Posted by VenusAquarius
In general,

it amazes me how women's reproduction has been such a focus to divide the country - be the subject and purpose of law.

Vagina laws
Vagina monologues

I think it is because things are defined as "women's reproduction".

Unless ladies have become asexual, it takes a man and a woman to reproduce, yet men are largely excluded from the jump.

Then we hears the cries of absentee fathers. You cut many of them out from the beginning. It is a huge problem, absentee fathers that is (maybe the biggest in the US), but not totally surprising with the exclusion of them in reproductive rights, and the family court agenda.

Sad all around.

I think it's called intercourse for a reason.

Enter penis, enter sperm, enter fetus.

Don't enter penis, don't enter sperm, don't enter fetus.

I don't know what's so difficult?

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It's not difficult for responsible people. Unfortunately, there are a plethora of idiots running wild.

Although, that really has nothing to do with what I am getting at (on a grander scale).

Cap Tenn's view is more appropriate for anti-abortion case.. men having no say, or as he put it "control."

And, I can understand that minus the implications involved in the word choice "control."

Posted by VenusAquarius
Cap Tenn's view is more appropriate for anti-abortion case.. men having no say, or as he put it "control."

And, I can understand that minus the implications involved in the word choice "control."

You are emphasizing "control" too much.

I didn't use it in the context you are suggesting.

He's no different than the man who purposely beats his pregnant woman up in the hopes of causing her to lose the baby. He'll face criminal charges (plus it's illegal to give drugs to someone without their consent). That's what happens when one does something illegal.

Men and women could avoid this kind of drama if they would be more responsible about their sex lives. But, if they were smart enough to be more responsible, they probably wouldn't resort to this kind of behavior when it all goes sour for them.

Posted by CapTenn

Posted by LetltB

Posted by CapTenn

This is the reverse situation and folks are up in arms. Welcome to the world of being a man. Zero control, or choice, in reproductive matters. Sucks, huh?

I am in no way advocating what this man did. I personally find it sick!

I get what you mean about the desperate women out there and what they will do to trap a man...boy, do I.

Yet...I have to ask, doesn't a man have control from the time they unzip and placing a condom on?

Yes, indeed. Men have just as much culpability as women. It takes two to tango in all facets --- until conception.

Then the ladies are driving the bus all alone.

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The only thing I can suggest is...

If you want the right over my body, I have the right over yours. Women can demand vasectomy? Just like you demand abortion?

It's just that you can't carry the baby and have no idea. I mean child support is complained about enough. I couldn't imagine much agreement here even if it were possible.

All my whims would have to be cared for if I were forced to stay pregnant. But, no one wants to pay that cost.

To be forced to abort has spiritual implications to some. Can you fan me in hell?

Posted by CapTenn

Posted by VenusAquarius
Cap Tenn's view is more appropriate for anti-abortion case.. men having no say, or as he put it "control."

And, I can understand that minus the implications involved in the word choice "control."

You are emphasizing "control" too much.

I didn't use it in the context you are suggesting.

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I don't think you meant to use it that way. Just an interesting choice of words.

Posted by VenusAquarius

Posted by CapTenn

Posted by LetltB

Posted by CapTenn

This is the reverse situation and folks are up in arms. Welcome to the world of being a man. Zero control, or choice, in reproductive matters. Sucks, huh?

I am in no way advocating what this man did. I personally find it sick!

I get what you mean about the desperate women out there and what they will do to trap a man...boy, do I.

Yet...I have to ask, doesn't a man have control from the time they unzip and placing a condom on?

Yes, indeed. Men have just as much culpability as women. It takes two to tango in all facets --- until conception.

Then the ladies are driving the bus all alone.

The only thing I can suggest is...

If you want the right over my body, I have the right over yours. Women can demand vasectomy? Just like you demand abortion?

It's just that you can't carry the baby and have no idea. I mean child support is complained about enough. I couldn't imagine much agreement here even if it were possible.

All my whims would have to be cared for if I were forced to stay pregnant. But, no one wants to pay that cost.

To be forced to abort has spiritual implications to some. Can you fan me in hell?

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Ridiculous.

Not even the same thing.

But sure, you can demand my vasectomy, just as soon as you indulge my whims and get some triple E fake tits.

Posted by VenusAquarius

The only thing I can suggest is...

If you want the right over my body, I have the right over yours. Women can demand vasectomy? Just like you demand abortion?

Sounds fair to me. 😉

Posted by CapTenn

Ridiculous.

Not even the same thing.

But sure, you can demand my vasectomy, just as soon as you indulge my whims and get some triple E fake tits.

Minus the E fake tits, how is this not the same thing?

Posted by VenusAquarius

Posted by CapTenn

Posted by VenusAquarius
Cap Tenn's view is more appropriate for anti-abortion case.. men having no say, or as he put it "control."

And, I can understand that minus the implications involved in the word choice "control."

You are emphasizing "control" too much.

I didn't use it in the context you are suggesting.

I don't think you meant to use it that way. Just an interesting choice of words.

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Note to self:

Another word to strike from the male lexicon -- control.

The world is mad.

Posted by LetltB

Posted by CapTenn

Ridiculous.

Not even the same thing.

But sure, you can demand my vasectomy, just as soon as you indulge my whims and get some triple E fake tits.

Minus the E fake tits, how is this not the same thing?

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A baby in the womb, isn't "yours". It's ours.

My nuts are mine, as your fallopian tubes are yours.

Posted by CapTenn

Posted by VenusAquarius

Posted by CapTenn

Posted by LetltB

Posted by CapTenn

This is the reverse situation and folks are up in arms. Welcome to the world of being a man. Zero control, or choice, in reproductive matters. Sucks, huh?

I am in no way advocating what this man did. I personally find it sick!

I get what you mean about the desperate women out there and what they will do to trap a man...boy, do I.

Yet...I have to ask, doesn't a man have control from the time they unzip and placing a condom on?

Yes, indeed. Men have just as much culpability as women. It takes two to tango in all facets --- until conception.

Then the ladies are driving the bus all alone.

The only thing I can suggest is...

If you want the right over my body, I have the right over yours. Women can demand vasectomy? Just like you demand abortion?

It's just that you can't carry the baby and have no idea. I mean child support is complained about enough. I couldn't imagine much agreement here even if it were possible.

All my whims would have to be cared for if I were forced to stay pregnant. But, no one wants to pay that cost.

To be forced to abort has spiritual implications to some. Can you fan me in hell?

Ridiculous.

Not even the same thing.

But sure, you can demand my vasectomy, just as soon as you indulge my whims and get some triple E fake tits.

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I actually would.

I oblige alot.

Plus, size E is not a stretch for me. I'm DD.

Posted by CapTenn

Posted by VenusAquarius

Posted by CapTenn

Posted by VenusAquarius
Cap Tenn's view is more appropriate for anti-abortion case.. men having no say, or as he put it "control."

And, I can understand that minus the implications involved in the word choice "control."

You are emphasizing "control" too much.

I didn't use it in the context you are suggesting.

I don't think you meant to use it that way. Just an interesting choice of words.

Note to self:

Another word to strike from the male lexicon -- control.

The world is mad.

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I'm sorry.

Posted by CapTenn

My nuts are mine, as your fallopian tubes are yours.

That's correct. Are you also aware of the affect abortion has on the womb and cervix?

I must add how disheartening it would be to increase the size of something that is so symbolically and literally maternal...

...in an agreement to not be maternal.

I see the main purpose of breasts as to nourish and nurture.

Posted by P-Angel

Really though .... she kind of deserved it.

You get what you deserve ... that's life.

He didn't want to have a baby, and when he tried to have this discussion, in her own words, "it was not an option for me" ... so discuss what the options are rather than decide he has no choice.

That's pretty fucked up that a woman gets it her way. Had she been willing to have a discussion, then perhaps he wouldn't have taken such drastic measures.

She has to take some responsibility in the events turning out the way they did.

What an asinine response. smh



I'm saving this one for POSTERITY.

The ones who aren't aborted via smoothie, I mean.

Posted by LetltB

Posted by CapTenn

My nuts are mine, as your fallopian tubes are yours.

That's correct. Are you also aware of the affect abortion has on the womb and cervix?

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Yes.

And the psyche.

I also think how it is often expressed or implied by men that various methods of male reproductive responsibility is deflating to the ego.

Reminds me of that Ying Yang Twins song, "from the windows to walls, til all those females crawl... ahhh, skeet, skeet, skeet, skeet."

No...'til all those babies crawl.

The extent to which you fear reproduction, should be equal to the choice of birth control.

Therefore, if the idea of impregnating a women would cause you to commit a crime against her....

...choose vasectomy, or abstain from intercourse.

He has the rights and the option to sign over parental rights to the child and she could have proceeded in raising it alone without his help. He doesn't have the right just to murder the baby without her knowledge.

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Posted by LetltB

Posted by P-Angel

I think it's a great idea.

Using a condom would have been smart don't you think P-angel?

condoms break

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....AND THAT^^^^ ladies and gentlemen is why there is the MORNING AFTER PILL...not the kill the fetus 12 weeks after pill.

Posted by truecap
He has the rights and the option to sign over parental rights to the child and she could have proceeded in raising it alone without his help. He doesn't have the right just to murder the baby without her knowledge.

More logic^^^ +1

Posted by P-Angel

Women need to be brought down a notch anyway ... they have this irrational belief that they rule men, and that they can manipulate them by getting pregnant.

Yes. These type of women need to be sterilized, but instead they just breed more.

Usually at taxpayer expense.

I think coming up with this pill is absolutely fantastic .... I hope everybody realizes that they have this option otc


I would think that the average teenager (who are usually the ones who have unwanted babies) doesn't really think about consequences to their actions. This typical teenager probably isn't going to think about being pregnant until after she misses a couple periods.

Abortions are costly ... the average teen (or young adult) who is irresponsible probably doesn't have money for an abortion. And usually counseling is required at the clinic before all procedures. Not to mention the bat-shit crazy lunatics who protest at abortion clinics, are actually dangerous people and have been known to kill you for killing a baby.

2 months in, you're young, you're stupid, you have no where to turn ... and here's this pill that will save you, and save the man/boy who equally doesn't want a child.


Seriously ... what a bunch of dumbfucks in this thread who are arguing against this pill ... or are your panties just bunched up your ass because a man decided to take control of HIS life, and you can't stand that the woman got put in her place? (because that is what it was, since she refused to negotiate with 1/2 of her fetus's DNA donor)

Of course ... because you can't help getting your feelings hurt because you take it personally.

ssdd with most of you people (women)

Posted by VenusAquarius
The extent to which you fear reproduction, should be equal to the choice of birth control.

Therefore, if the idea of impregnating a women would cause you to commit a crime against her....

...choose vasectomy, or abstain from intercourse.

Can I point out that vasectomy is hardly a realistic option for a 26 year old. It is essentially permanently sterilizing a guy.

Abortion, when done in a sterile environment where people know what they are doing, has essentially zero impact on the chances of reproducing for a woman as it does no damage to the uterus. Keep in mind though, this only applies to abortion using a pill.
Operational abortus on the other hand does increase the risk at complications during later pregnancies.
The psychological part is definitely there with most women though. So even that is not something to be taken lightly.

Keep in mind that different cultures have different views on anticonception methods. In Northern Europe (AKA where Norway is located) it is very common to do away with condoms in a long term relationship and rely on the pill or intrautrine device (those are great btw).

With the girl I'm dating right now she is on the pill whereas I use a condom. Get them in the right size and they can be comfortable enough at minimal the risk of breaking. I for one am glad I took my own size and ordered the right condoms. Couldn't find them in any store so it either didn't work or I stayed away from having intercourse. There are numerous other ways to enjoy each other's bodies.

Abstaining from intercourse... well good luck with that around horny twenty-somethings.

And then there is this:

Posted by LetltB
I'm all about choice, to each his/her own...but this caused me to pause due to the amount of nut jobs out there...
[...]
What a guy eh? I guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?

Alternatives:
- Someone committed suicide with painkillers. Guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?
- Bullets shot from a gun killed a child. Guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?
- Someone killed another person with their car. Guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?
- People die from smoking. Guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?

In all these cases it depends on the person using it. It's not the product that is dangerous but the person using it.

Posted by TigerCap
And then there is this:

Posted by LetltB
I'm all about choice, to each his/her own...but this caused me to pause due to the amount of nut jobs out there...
[...]
What a guy eh? I guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?

Alternatives:
- Someone committed suicide with painkillers. Guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?
- Bullets shot from a gun killed a child. Guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?
- Someone killed another person with their car. Guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?
- People die from smoking. Guess having these over the counter may be a bad thing?

In all these cases it depends on the person using it. It's not the product that is dangerous but the person using it.

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And a good case can be made for smoking and guns. But let's not breach that hornet's nest.

Likewise, also, a woman, who CAN carry the child to term, can sign over parental rights and give the child to the biological father, if he wants the child or put the child up for adoption, rather than just murder the child without his knowledge or consent.

IMHO, (pt 1)
Abstaining from sex is the best policy.

A man should 1st, build up his career, a house, and 20 year budget set at cost of living, insurance, in the 20th year prices, to raise a child.
He should also consider whether he would want his child to attend college and save likewise also for that.

In short, a wise young man would do well to live humbly and miserly, forsaking thoughts of marriage and children until he has saved enough to provide for them.
How long would/should this take? I am now of the opinion that from the time he graduates from high school, he should patiently wait, educate himself, meticulously plan and save toward this end. He should be extremely forward thinking, contemplating decades in advance. Rather than engaging in parties and women, he should focus on his long term goals. Disciplining and educating himself
in all things, instead of playing the fool.

A man who marries at the age of 40 is going to be far wiser than he who marries at 20, provided
that he has already prepared a future for his wife and child(ren).

A wise young woman would consider such a man and not play the harlot. Saving herself for him, educating herself, positively preparing herself in matters of the home and career.
Whereby at the age of 35 she may be ripe for a positive lifelong marriage.

pt 2

Once married, if not before, I think it would be wise to wait, perhaps about 7 years, before having childen.
During this time, the husband and wife solidify their bond exceedingly. To build and improve and
grow the trust and mutual respect between husband and wife, educating themselves on matters of child-rearing. Preparing them for the days of child-rearing.
Of course, during courtship, all these concepts and goals will have been thoroughly discussed and mutually planned and agreed upon.

A child raised in such a home, will NOT have endure senseless dysfunctionality because his parents
couldn't control themselves in their own youth.
By the time the child has grown, if raised and taught right, he or she will be able to watch after his/her parents in their retirement years. Inheriting their wealth to be added to his/her own.
Likewise, also, he or she will follow a similar pattern of wisdom, seeking another who shares like values and morals and beliefs.

Anything less, is asking for trouble and needless challenges that consume and wastes once happy
innocent lives.

My thoughts considers only the strong. The weak will not and cannot accept them.
Only the strong can demonstrate such self-control.

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Posted by truecap
He has the rights and the option to sign over parental rights to the child and she could have proceeded in raising it alone without his help. He doesn't have the right just to murder the baby without her knowledge.

More logic^^^ +1

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Oops, see my 2 part reply - forgot to include who I was responding to. ie trucap.