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Hang the whore.
A life for a life, like the good ol' days.
A life for a life, like the good ol' days.
hmm well, this discussion went a little more lopsided than I thought... lol
She made a suggestion. He DECIDED to take his own life.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
She decided on foregoing a jury and just going with a single judge, strategic mistake of her lawyers? Or genius call?
Posted by GetMistedBut a hung jury means she walks free, wouldn't it be easier to try to get a hung jury than to rely on a judge with years of experience and schooling?Posted by rabidtalkerGenius call.
She decided on foregoing a jury and just going with a single judge, strategic mistake of her lawyers? Or genius call?
There is literally no basis to compare this type of case to and no way a jury could ever get it right.
The judge himself has one hell of a decision to make.. as it will impact many facets of 1st amendment interpretations.
Also, here's some interesting reading, could it have been a catfish like scam?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/06/us/suicide-texting-manslaughter-trial.html?_r=0
Complicating matters in this case is the fact that Ms. Carter and Mr. Roy, who seemed to be in nearly constant communication and often wrote that they loved each other, rarely met in person. Their relationship unfolded mostly in expressive text messages, and the case could well turn on questions about the power of those words.
As the trial began in Taunton on Tuesday, Maryclare Flynn, a prosecutor, told Judge Lawrence Moniz that Ms. Carter essentially caused Mr. Royâs suicide, pointing repeatedly to text messages that seemed to urge Mr. Roy to take his life.
âJust park your car and sit there and it will take, like, 20 minutes,â Ms. Carter wrote. âItâs not a big deal.âclick to expand
Posted by GetMistedI snorted out loud ?
A guilty verdict tomorrow is bad news for a few users here on DXP in the future should they decide to keep telling folks to kill themselves.
Posted by GetMistedLike breaking news!!!
A guilty verdict tomorrow is bad news for a few users here on DXP in the future should they decide to keep telling folks to kill themselves.
VjGal of dxpnet has been accused of causing death of PenisB of dxpnet by posting 'kill yourself! In one of the forum threads!!!
FBI is suggesting that VjGal emails them her whereabouts because they are too busy to search for her ass!
NOW about the weather...
Posted by rabidtalker
hmm well, this discussion went a little more lopsided than I thought... lol
I didnt know SSRI's treat eating disorders
Also, the psychiatric angle is a tough one to go for...
Posted by GetMistedSo if she convicted she can spend time suing a doctor and pharmaceutical company for her misfortune and come out a wealthy woman?
One of the most interesting aspects of this case for me.. is that during this time, her doctors had prescribed her an SSRI for an eating disorder.
Although I take them.. they do come with a black box warning.
I'm a tad fuzzy on the case details since I read them a couple of days ago.. but I believe her attorney argued that she was in a manic state at the time this all took place due to being prescribed an SSRI when it wasn't needed. That's very plausible.
Posted by GetMistedAnd then she'll get her own reality show?Posted by GemitatiI'm sure if she is convicted, her attorney will turn around and sue the doctor that prescribed.Posted by GetMistedSo if she convicted she can spend time suing a doctor and pharmaceutical company for her misfortune and come out a wealthy woman?
One of the most interesting aspects of this case for me.. is that during this time, her doctors had prescribed her an SSRI for an eating disorder.
Although I take them.. they do come with a black box warning.
I'm a tad fuzzy on the case details since I read them a couple of days ago.. but I believe her attorney argued that she was in a manic state at the time this all took place due to being prescribed an SSRI when it wasn't needed. That's very plausible.
If that case is a success, they'd be able to use the verdict in the appeals process to over turn her conviction.click to expand
Murdershian...or Murdorkian?
not guilty.
Posted by GetMistedGood point.
A guilty verdict tomorrow is bad news for a few users here on DXP in the future should they decide to keep telling folks to kill themselves.
Posted by LadyNeptuneJW what you think about Manson? He never killed anyone, just convinced others too (allegedly).
She made a suggestion. He DECIDED to take his own life.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
Posted by GetMistedNot going to happen. Repubs will maintain enough congressional power to prevent impeachment.
I'm betting on his impeachment tho
She might not receive the sentence people would like her to, but they have prosecuted women who convinced their lovers to kill their husbands, etc so I'm pretty sure she's not going to walk away from this clean
Posted by DistilledHow did she assist though??Posted by rabidtalkerLol...
hmm well, this discussion went a little more lopsided than I thought... lol
How cancer of you.
Assisted suicide is a hot topic as of late.
hard to prove just like this one.
But it's becoming legal.
Only difference in court that could be argued is that she is not a doctor.
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If she told him to kill himself and handed him a loaded gun that would be one thing.
If everyone who ever told someone to kill them self is assisted suicide than words are stronger than I thought.
Posted by GetMistedSame with heavy metal (ie. satanic) bands.Posted by DistilledFunny you bring up music..Posted by LadyNeptuneIm personally not sure why people think words are meaningless.Posted by DistilledHow did she assist though??Posted by rabidtalkerLol...
hmm well, this discussion went a little more lopsided than I thought... lol
How cancer of you.
Assisted suicide is a hot topic as of late.
hard to prove just like this one.
But it's becoming legal.
Only difference in court that could be argued is that she is not a doctor.
If she told him to kill himself and handed him a loaded gun that would be one thing.
If everyone who ever told someone to kill them self is assisted suicide than words are stronger than I thought.
Words are extremely important in all aspects of life.
Some people even make music others listen to because words are the only way they can get emotion out.
And lots of people listen to music with words. So I'll assume that lots of people care about what others have to say- especially if they are a part of their life, for better or worse.
in this case while we don't know everything, of course... Clearly words are very strong here.
Because lyrics have been used (unsuccessfully) against rappers for many years in criminal cases.
There's really no clear line to be drawn.click to expand
Another take on the case:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/why-would-a-teenage-girl-encourage-another-person-to-commit-suicide
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/why-would-a-teenage-girl-encourage-another-person-to-commit-suicide
The details of the case range from curious to nauseating. Carter's insidious fascination with Roy making good on his promise of suicide is unnerving; her transformation into a self-identified advocate for mental health in the months after his death goes, in light of the facts, beyond hypocritical, into the realm of the possibly psychotic.
Still, the most tantalizing question is a simple one: why would an individual urge somebody else's suicide? Bullying is considered one of the leading causes of teen suicide, with victims considered five times more likely to consider taking their life on average, but Carter's encouragement skates the line between coercion, enabling, and something entirely different. To find out more, VICE spoke to renowned clinical psychologist and author Dr. Seth Meyers (no, not that one). Meyers conducts threat assessments related to relationships in Los Angeles and is a columnist for Psychology Today, where he has written about a number of topics, including the case for female psychopathy.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by brianafayCase link please.
She might not receive the sentence people would like her to, but they have prosecuted women who convinced their lovers to kill their husbands, etc so I'm pretty sure she's not going to walk away from this clean
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I watch too much ID channel I don't remember their names
I don't even know what to google to find them
Posted by brianafayPosted by GetMistedPosted by brianafayCase link please.
She might not receive the sentence people would like her to, but they have prosecuted women who convinced their lovers to kill their husbands, etc so I'm pretty sure she's not going to walk away from this clean
I watch too much ID channel I don't remember their names
Edit: found one I remember watching
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3566662/Michigan-woman-44-convicted-1999-love-triangle-murder-husband-ADMITS-killing-maintaining-innocence-16-years.html
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if you can be convicted for manipulating someone into murdering someone else why can't you be charged for manipulating someone to take their own life?
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Posted by brianafayTough to do in the latter case.
if you can be convicted for manipulating someone into murdering someone else why can't you be charged for manipulating someone to take their own life?
There used to be a time in the US where a guy named Vincenzo, Guido, or "a friend" would show up and convince the accused of fessing up and the case "dissolves".
Those times might be coming back.
Safer neighborhoods, and political corruption, while low key, would still go on but not on a such massive scale as we are seeing now.
Posted by GetMistedYou're actually doing a pretty good job of convincing. I cant find any previous cases and even if there was, the texting medium could be a loophole too since it's "new technology" I can see them arguing convincing through text is not the same as otherwise
"Involuntary manslaughter occurs when the agent has no intention (mens rea) of committing murder, but caused the death of another through recklessness or criminal negligence.The crime of involuntary manslaughter can be subdivided into two main categories: constructive manslaughter and gross negligence manslaughter."
She did not murder anybody.
And although there are states where assisted suicide is punishable as manslaughter, there are no assisted suicide cases on the Massachusetts books. And even then.. that's related to doctors.
It's a weird case.
i still say she walks.
Posted by GetMistedthose text mesages =/ i'm only on page 94 and they both need/needed serious help from specialists. Did you read them?
http://www.wcvb.com/article/evidence-from-the-trial-of-michelle-carter/10011731
All the evidence is in this link. Full transcripts of texts messages, web search results, etc.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by brianafayBut was it manslaughter? Or a conspiracy charge?
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
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Brae was actually charged with first degree murder while Pamela just got conspiracy/accomplice
I wouldn't think it would be too hard to prove invol manslaughter when you look at other the other cases....I realize the difference is suicide, but they had less physical evidence of the coercion in the other cases and were still able to convict.
I think she likely won't be burned at the stake like many people would like - but I don't see her just walking away
Been wrong before though
Posted by GetMistedyes, i havent finshed theirs.. not sure i want to delve into it futher...Posted by justagirlYeah I read them. It's the blind leading the blind.Posted by GetMistedthose text mesages =/ i'm only on page 94 and they both need/needed serious help from specialists. Did you read them?
http://www.wcvb.com/article/evidence-from-the-trial-of-michelle-carter/10011731
All the evidence is in this link. Full transcripts of texts messages, web search results, etc.
What was difficult was attempting to place all the conversations (b/w Carter and everyone else) on the same time line.
Once you do that.. you can kind of get a sense of her being in a major manic episode. I've seen it first hand.. It's terrifying.click to expand
As for terrifying, yes, it can be for sure, my dad is bi-polar and went untreated for years or would stop his litium đ˘ same with a long time friend, she was always stopping and then she would cycle every hour or so. that shit was scary as fuck when it got that bad.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by FknNerdI don't think that has ever been tried in court before?Posted by GetMistedSo shouldnt she be charged as an accomplice to a suicide rather than manslaughter?Posted by GetMistedAhh...Posted by brianafayBut was it manslaughter? Or a conspiracy charge?
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
an accomplice to an actual murder still carries a first degree murder charge.
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Is it different than assisted suicide ?
That's been done before
?I should really read before posting
Disregard
Disregard
Posted by brianafayAsking someone to kill someone for you is a lot different than telling someone they should kill themselves.
She might not receive the sentence people would like her to, but they have prosecuted women who convinced their lovers to kill their husbands, etc so I'm pretty sure she's not going to walk away from this clean
We need to be locking up a lot of people here alone then.
Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeePssh you barely cough and 5 pages of posts appear, I have to work for it!
@rabidtalker you sexxy thing. When did you get into all of this making threads and stuff
Going for my throne mr secretive
Posted by GetMistedI actually thought about doing this, but I'm so introverted that it would seriously exhaust me.
Life sure would have been fun as a trial lawyer -_-
edit: plus law is not very rewarding anymore in the USA
i just can't with those messages. I honestly feel that she pushed him to do it with what she said and she was even helping him find ways to kill himself. she manipulated the fuck out of him in my opinion. Granted it's just my opinion and it may not be what really happened.. but holy fuck.
Posted by LadyNeptuneDo you know any of the details of this case?Posted by DistilledHow did she assist though??Posted by rabidtalkerLol...
hmm well, this discussion went a little more lopsided than I thought... lol
How cancer of you.
Assisted suicide is a hot topic as of late.
hard to prove just like this one.
But it's becoming legal.
Only difference in court that could be argued is that she is not a doctor.
If she told him to kill himself and handed him a loaded gun that would be one thing.
If everyone who ever told someone to kill them self is assisted suicide than words are stronger than I thought.click to expand
This bitch is a fucking sociopath. She wasn't just telling him, she was HELPING him plan and insisting he do it when he was having second thoughts. She'd already created social media pages to garner attention and sympathy when she pushed him to do it.
Most normal, sane people would be trying to do the opposite.
The chick is a fucking nutter and deserves to be locked up. This is what happens when we have a few generations of attention whoring brats who were raised by a screen- zero empathy and all focus in on how they get all the attention.
Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
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Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
I could never be a lawyer because I would literally just get up there and be like "are you people fucking serious right now?"
??
??
Posted by seraphThey tried that angle:
I haven't checked, but does the First Amendemnt apply here? SCOTUS already has a serious case of deer in the headlights with Hate Speech (actually they don't; they usually invoke the unassailabillty of the First Amendment and throw up their hands), so I imagine this case might induce same in lower courts. I'm not even sure if the First Amendment applies here, nor its provisions against Incitement. Her lawyers probably looked at that at some point.
http://www.newseuminstitute.org/2017/06/06/michelle-carter-trial-begins-defense-argues-free-speech-protection/
This talks about it too:
https://blog.oup.com/2016/07/suicide-first-amendment/
In Massachusetts, meanwhile, a young womanâs texts were deemed to have a more lethal purpose: to coerce her boyfriend into killing himself. When Michelle Carterâs boyfriend, Conrad Roy, appeared to be backing out of his decision to kill himself through asphyxiation in his car, she texted him repeatedly: âThe time is right and youâre ready, you just need to do itâ and âYou canât think about it, you just have to do it. You said you were gonna do it. Like I just donât get why you arenât.â When Roy weakened and left his car, one witness testified that Carter reported telling Roy, âGet back in that car!â Carter was charged with involuntary manslaughter. Her defense included the claim that her texts were protected under the first amendment. In Commonwealth v. Carter, the highest court in Massachusetts held that the stateâs compelling interest in deterring speech that has a direct, causal link to a specific victimâs suicide trumped Carterâs first amendment rights. Instead, the court decided for the first time that a person who is not physically present can be indicted for homicide based on contemporaneous text or telephone messages that amount to coercing an individual to commit suicide, finding that the messages amounted to a âvirtual presence.â The court also rejected Carterâs argument that ââŚverbal conduct can never overcome a personâs willpower to live and therefore cannot be the cause of a suicide.âclick to expand
Posted by brianafayWhat if legal cases were decided based on who had the better and more convincing memes and gifs... hmmmmm? đ
I could never be a lawyer because I would literally just get up there and be like "are you people fucking serious right now?"
??
The guy was weak willed & Weak minded; death was the best option for him honestly
She doesn't deserve punishment for helping him go were he belonged, which in his case is hell
She doesn't deserve punishment for helping him go were he belonged, which in his case is hell
Posted by black_kevorkiani like the username, lol.
The guy was weak willed & Weak minded; death was the best option for him honestly
She doesn't deserve punishment for helping him go were he belonged, which in his case is hell
GUILTY
They are citing
State ex rel. Kuntz v. Montana Thirteenth Judicial Dist. Court, 2000 MT 22, 298 Mont. 146, 154, 995 P.2d 951 (2000)
that says "where one's actions create a life-threatening risk to another, there is a duty to take reasonable steps to alleviate the risk."
They are citing
State ex rel. Kuntz v. Montana Thirteenth Judicial Dist. Court, 2000 MT 22, 298 Mont. 146, 154, 995 P.2d 951 (2000)
that says "where one's actions create a life-threatening risk to another, there is a duty to take reasonable steps to alleviate the risk."
Bail allowed, but no texting, Facebook, "any of those things" that would allow her to contact the deceased's family...
Aug 3rd is sentencing.
Aug 3rd is sentencing.
Posted by rabidtalkerPosted by brianafayWhat if legal cases were decided based on who had the better and more convincing memes and gifs... hmmmmm? đ
I could never be a lawyer because I would literally just get up there and be like "are you people fucking serious right now?"
??
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They obviously read my argument - she's guilty
Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
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If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2017/06/judge_reaches_verdict_in_michelle_carter_trial
Judge reaches verdict in Michelle Carter trial
Michelle Carter will find out her fate tomorrow morning.
The Plainville woman who as a teen allegedly convinced her high school boyfriend to kill himself through texts and phone calls, will either be exonerated or found guilty of involuntary manslaughter tomorrow, according to the clerk overseeing the case.
Judge Lawrence Moniz will announce his decision in open court at 11 a.m in Taunton.
Carter is accused of convincing Conrad Roy III to kill himself on July 12, 2014. Roy, who was 18 at the time, was found dead of carbon monoxide poisoning in a Fairhaven parking lot the next day.
Carter, who was 17 when the incident occurred, waived her right to a jury trial last Monday. That means Moniz, who has been a juvenile court judge since 2008, has been the sole fact-finder in a case that has drawn national attention.
The trial lasted eight days, with prosecutors and Carterâs defense team giving their closing arguments on Tuesday afternoon.
closing arguments:
I think she will be found guilty...you?