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I can't calm down I have a fire moon
Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
so what's the verdictGuilty of manslaughter
Sentencing not till August
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that's good. she needs to face up to her responsibility. i dont now if she'll ever feel remorse for this.
she can't do that to people.
someone lost their son, their brother ect.
Posted by PVJamz
My pity level for this girl who told her dying boyfriend to get back in the car and finish killing himself is pretty low. Those up in arms about her conviction are probably nervous because they're equally shitty people and worried about the 13 reasons why they could inadvertedly become responsible for someone else's death. Damn, do better.inadvertently: without intention; accidentally.
Omg having a major are you fucking kidding moment
What wasn't intentional about what she did?
She accidentally urged him to kill himself?
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i have problems with the way ladyneptune thinks at times. it's like LN is trying to find justification for this girl's actions.
and comparing it to Trump? not many people like trump and he may start a war with that mouth of his...
but we're still talking a young girl who has to realize she cant do that to people.
Posted by PVJamz
My pity level for this girl who told her dying boyfriend to get back in the car and finish killing himself is pretty low. Those up in arms about her conviction are probably nervous because they're equally shitty people and worried about the 13 reasons why they could inadvertedly become responsible for someone else's death. Damn, do better.inadvertently: without intention; accidentally.
Omg having a major are you fucking kidding moment
What wasn't intentional about what she did?
She accidentally urged him to kill himself?
i have problems with the way ladyneptune thinks at times. it's like LN is trying to find justification for this girl's actions.
and comparing it to Trump? not many people like trump and he may start a war with that mouth of his...
but we're still talking a young girl who has to realize she cant do that to people.
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.
Her and I both have stated that what she did was wrong..
However, a manslaughter charge was not the correct call, nor the conviction.
No homicide = no manslaughter/murder charge
Inflammatory speech inciting a lawless act? Absolutely.
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i dont agree with you though, nor with her.
they decided on manslaughter.
plus manslaughter (volunatry) is the correct one since she didnt kill him but she was the one pushing him to off himself. he was unstable already.
I could agree she didn't kill him but reading her texts I would strangle her with my bare hands.
Oops...she forgot to breath your honor...
I tool extra Xanax and mixed up chocking with CCP...
CPR ?
What happened to those teens who cyber bullied girl who hanged herself?
@Getmisted
btw, i did some research SSRI's are the first line prescription for bulimia but not for anorexia. You could try to argue that she perhaps had anorexia, but it takes a physician to make that diagnosis, so he'd perhaps win that case.
the rest of the discussion is interesting.
Posted by PVJamz
My pity level for this girl who told her dying boyfriend to get back in the car and finish killing himself is pretty low. Those up in arms about her conviction are probably nervous because they're equally shitty people and worried about the 13 reasons why they could inadvertedly become responsible for someone else's death. Damn, do better.inadvertently: without intention; accidentally.
Omg having a major are you fucking kidding moment
What wasn't intentional about what she did?
She accidentally urged him to kill himself?
i have problems with the way ladyneptune thinks at times. it's like LN is trying to find justification for this girl's actions.
and comparing it to Trump? not many people like trump and he may start a war with that mouth of his...
but we're still talking a young girl who has to realize she cant do that to people.
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.
Her and I both have stated that what she did was wrong..
However, a manslaughter charge was not the correct call, nor the conviction.
No homicide = no manslaughter/murder charge
Inflammatory speech inciting a lawless act? Absolutely.
i dont agree with you though, nor with her.
they decided on manslaughter.
Is murder in the 1st degree the correct charge for killing an animal?
No.. because a homicide requires the killing (whether intentional or accidental) of a human being.
That person would be charged with animal cruelty and serve a small amount of time. A 1st degree murder charge damn near a life sentence with possibility of execution.
The distinction is made for a reason. Definitions put in place to properly charge a criminal and should they be convicted, serve the appropriate time associated with said charge.
There was no homicide in Carter's case therefor a manslaughter charge is not appropriate.
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too many variables. killing an animal could be out hunting. or you hit them with your car accidently ect. just too many different scenerios.
if you go out and kill someones dog like a neighbor's dog, that's different.
theres laws for that too.
Posted by lisabethur8
plus manslaughter (volunatry) is the correct one since she didnt kill him but she was the one pushing him to off himself. he was unstable already.Exactly.. she didn't kill him. Nobody killed him.. which means there is no homicide (which manslaughter and murder charges require).
He committed suicide.
suicide =/= homicide legal wise.
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I read that she got involuntary manslaughter.
I thought the definitions for voluntary manslaughter seems more appropriate. but I guess that's that.
well, the case has been found that the other side won, (since she got manslaughter) and it seemed you were for the defendents case.
has anyone done her chart?
Urrrghh Im no lawyer but reading some comments here made me cringe. How people underestimate the power of words is beyond me!
As someone mentioned: look at how Hitler or other dictators influenced millions with their propaganda speeches! Look at sales, advertising, politics... most of the times it is not about actions but about being good and persuasive orators.
This girl didnt kill him but she used her power over him to influence him to take his life.
Not saying how I feel about this, the discussion is good, but here's a viewpoint I see some trying to say:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/opinion/michelle-carter-didnt-kill-with-a-text.html
Judge Moniz’s verdict is a stunning act of defiance against this general principle. By finding Ms. Carter guilty of involuntary manslaughter — rather than some lesser misdeed, such as bullying or harassment — the court has dealt a blow to the constitutionally enshrined idea that speech is not, itself, violence. That’s cause for concern.
“Mr. Roy’s death is a terrible tragedy, but it is not a reason to stretch the boundaries of our criminal laws or abandon the protections of our constitution,” wrote Matthew Segel, legal director of the ACLU of Massachusetts, in a statement. “The implications of this conviction go far beyond the tragic circumstances of Mr. Roy’s death. If allowed to stand, Ms. Carter’s conviction could chill important and worthwhile end-of-life discussions between loved ones across the Commonwealth.”
This one-off decision in juvenile court may not sway legal precedent. But it will undoubtedly draw the attention of school officials and police officers in the state of Massachusetts and negatively affect an area of the law already suffering from authoritarian governmental overreach: teen discipline.
For decades, efforts have been underway to criminalize every obnoxious or problematic social interaction between K-12 kids in American schools. Hardly a week passes without a national news story about teenagers who were arrested on child pornography charges — and face unfathomably long prison sentences — because they had inappropriate pictures of classmates (or even themselves) on their phones. In Iowa, in June 2016, authorities tried to brand a 14-year-old girl as a sex offender for Snapchatting while wearing a sports bra and boy shorts. The following month, Minnesota police officers busted a 17-year-old for swapping consensual sexts with his 16-year-old girlfriend. Such matters should be handled by parents and teachers, not the cops. The same is true for the various issues that plagued Ms. Carter and Mr. Roy.
By all means, let’s empower teachers to confront harassment and refer troubled teenagers to mental health professionals. But we don’t need to broadly criminalize teen cruelty to do that. Nor should we continue down the path of pretending that the First Amendment’s ironclad protection of hateful expression is voided whenever someone says (or texts) something that makes us squirm.
What Ms. Carter said to Mr. Roy was outrageous. Sending her to prison on a possible 20-year sentence is both outrageous and unjust.
So I found astrology info on Michelle Carter and her ex-boyfriend. Michelle was born on August 11, 1996 and Conrad was born on September 12, 1995, birth times and places unknown.
She is a leo and he was a virgo.
Anyways it's a fun read (click link for more info, I only put a little snippet here):
It is not a coincidence that s native with no air would get in trouble with her relationships and communications. In fact, the entire case against Michelle Carter centered precisely on her texts, Facebook and other messages she wrote to her 'boyfriend' Conrad.
Another prominent feature of her chart is that her powerful Sun in Leo, which is an excellent placement, but can be considered unaspected (it only aspects outer planets Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto by very wide orbs.) An unaspected Sun indicates that she would have very little trouble obtaining her goals but at the same time she may feel isolated and lonely. Michelle was very involved in school activities, voted class clown and 'most likely to brighten your day' (perfect description of a Leo.) Michelle was popular and very active in school activities but she struggled with loneliness. Her school friends said that she would constantly text them, asking them to do something together even though she knew they were busy with work and school schedules.
Michelle's problems can be partly shown by the cardinal T-Square in her chart with a stellium in Cancer (Moon, Mars, Venus) opposing Jupiter in Capricorn and both square Saturn in Aries. This active combination gives Michelle a massive amount of energy. She was a powerful force to be reckoned with especially in combination with a Sun in Leo.
I feel she did the right thing. Fuck people who try to hold you hostage with their life. Suicide should be legal anyway. Down with the malfunctioned life forms! They will never be right, will always be broken, and should have the right to remove themselves.
Posted by Soul
I feel she did the right thing. Fuck people who try to hold you hostage with their life. Suicide should be legal anyway. Down with the malfunctioned life forms! They will never be right, will always be broken, and should have the right to remove themselves.
Did you read the link? the astrologer made a big deal about the girls planets in fall and the cardinal t-square
Posted by Soul
I feel she did the right thing. Fuck people who try to hold you hostage with their life. Suicide should be legal anyway. Down with the malfunctioned life forms! They will never be right, will always be broken, and should have the right to remove themselves.Did you read the link? the astrologer made a big deal about the girls planets in fall and the cardinal t-square
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It's not her fault the crazy fucker killed himself imo. He likely didn't even truly want die. Just did some stupid shit to prove a dumb point and ended up killing himself in the end. As for her placements, there isn't an excuse for his actions that were done by his own hands.
http://www.kiro7.com/news/woman-who-sent-texts-urging-suicide-gets-25-years-in-prison/580708429
2.5 years. but 15 months.. that atricle title is a mess lol
Juvenile Court Judge Lawrence Moniz gave Carter a 2½-year jail sentence but said she had to serve only 15 months of that. He also sentenced her to five years of probation.
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