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It was logan paul and fuck that pos.

His main audience is kids ffs, and this dude is recording in a forest in Japan known for people going there to kill themselves then films it. Then finds an actual guy that hung himself and films it like it's a joke.

It's disrespectful as fuck, and if you disagree you have major mental issues. Not only with compassion, but respect for other countries. He broke the law by going off trail there.

You don't film actual dead corpses of suicide victims then post it on YouTube like it's some kind of joke. The fuck is wrong with you?
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Because it's disrespectful to the dead. Someone killed themselves in suicide forest, most likely because they felt overwhelmed by life, suffered from depression, or something else that drove them to the conclusion that their life wasn't worth living. The fact is, that Logan Paul doesn't even know this person's name, yet felt justified in displaying their corpse. And that's not even mentioning how painful it could be to the family.

It just seems highly disrespectful to me.

TL😄R;

If a relative or a friend of mine committed suicide, I wouldn't want anyone to use their death as a cheap ploy to gain views or attention.

i do like your second point a little, you still left ur own body dead in a public forest.
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Is it more disrespectful than showing images of bodies killed in war? Less disrespectful? Or is that even considered disrespectful?

If it had been someone else that took it, or if the image had been featured on a medium other than YouTube.. a more legitimate medium and in another context, such as a documentary to raise awareness for suicide, would that have made it better? Or made no difference at all?

Honest questions.
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i never even heard of it.

but i dont see why it shouldnt be aired on youtube if its really happening.
What is "it"?

He admitted in the end that it was fake.


oh i just read above.... i dont know what is going on but i googled and looked up japanese forest suicide so i found this. i thought she meant these.

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right, so thats sombodies skull, and its different because its less real to us?

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the dude was giggling and joking upon finding the body (this is why general society shamed him)



(below is why specifically japanese society shamed him)

japanese culture can sometimes shame people...specifically family members of convicted criminals, people who have racked up massive debt and youngsters bullied at school etc.

to consider suicide...

there used to be a practice of leaving the elderly in that forest to die in times of famine

and the elderly embrace their death so as not to burden their families even further
yeah he dont care it seems. just only to make more milions of viewers.

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I don't understand the difference between that particular youtube video vs the movies, articles, numerous other videos, photo, documentaries, blogs, etc posted online over the years on Aokigahara. It's been a thing popularized for years, so I don't understand what was so different and horrible about the fact that he did it.

I get the suicide thing and how it's disrespectful. But he was not the first, nor was he the last.

Edit: I did not watch his video because it was taken down, but he is not the first nor last to even joke about it. I think it was because he had such a large platform that it was a bigger deal than if joe blow did it.
The last bit. Especially considering his core audience. It was irresponsible.
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Posted by nano
I don't understand the difference between that particular youtube video vs the movies, articles, numerous other videos, photo, documentaries, blogs, etc posted online over the years on Aokigahara. It's been a thing popularized for years, so I don't understand what was so different and horrible about the fact that he did it.

I get the suicide thing and how it's disrespectful. But he was not the first, nor was he the last.

Edit: I did not watch his video because it was taken down, but he is not the first nor last to even joke about it. I think it was because he had such a large platform that it was a bigger deal than if joe blow did it.
i dont have that kind of stupid bravery even for a milion extra viewers.

dont have the genes for risk taking as he does.



there is a fine line....(when you're dealing with cultures and foreign countries)



it's like that true story of the poor young guy who went to North Korea and decided to go off the beaten path and steal a poster where he's not prohibited. he thought it was worth the risk.

he got imprisoned and tragically he died, i forget if he died when his body was sent to the u.s. to his parents or he died in a north korean prison.

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I don't understand the difference between that particular youtube video vs the movies, articles, numerous other videos, photo, documentaries, blogs, etc posted online over the years on Aokigahara. It's been a thing popularized for years, so I don't understand what was so different and horrible about the fact that he did it.

I get the suicide thing and how it's disrespectful. But he was not the first, nor was he the last.

Edit: I did not watch his video because it was taken down, but he is not the first nor last to even joke about it. I think it was because he had such a large platform that it was a bigger deal than if joe blow did it.
The last bit. Especially considering his core audience. It was irresponsible.
What kind of youtuber is the kid? Who is his core audience?
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Tweens/teens. Kids that are topping themselves in record numbers. Kids that are dealing with bullying in a way we never imagined. The video was a bad idea for both.
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Posted by nano
I don't understand the difference between that particular youtube video vs the movies, articles, numerous other videos, photo, documentaries, blogs, etc posted online over the years on Aokigahara. It's been a thing popularized for years, so I don't understand what was so different and horrible about the fact that he did it.

I get the suicide thing and how it's disrespectful. But he was not the first, nor was he the last.

Edit: I did not watch his video because it was taken down, but he is not the first nor last to even joke about it. I think it was because he had such a large platform that it was a bigger deal than if joe blow did it.
The last bit. Especially considering his core audience. It was irresponsible.
No 1 He mocked a lot of people's pain. I have lost someone to suicide. My godfather lost his brother to suicide.

No 2 he is desensitizing young people to suicide by presenting it in this manner. And we know many young teens consider suicide.

The key with teens ...is not to talk about them about the grotesque art type horror of it ...or to talk of prevention.

It's simply to remind teens ..MANY of you ...will have suicidal urges ..in fact most of you ..this is normal. And get teens to talk about when they wanted to commit suicide. And for it to be normal to talk about when you are feeling like this for teens. Because it IS usual and likely most teens will feel like this at one point. Whether it be hormonal or the brain not used to dealing with emotions or emotional /social situations. They don't yet have the emotional resilience or experience to deal with extreme emotions that teen yrs produce.

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Hope you’re not attemting to sway me. I’m already in your camp. That dick is wasted space.
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the dude was giggling and joking upon finding the body (this is why general society shamed him)



(below is why specifically japanese society shamed him)

japanese culture can sometimes shame people...specifically family members of convicted criminals, people who have racked up massive debt and youngsters bullied at school etc.

to consider suicide...

there used to be a practice of leaving the elderly in that forest to die in times of famine

and the elderly embrace their death so as not to burden their families even further
yeah he dont care it seems.


He doesn't understand. Which is why he might be dangerous.
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i looked him up.

he is born April 1. aries.



i didnt go see what else he's got...but you're right. his parents and peers need to tell him and advise him how bad that is to do and have some respect ...



he is very young early 20s same as the young man who died in North Korea? 😢

also a fire sign, i remember doing his chart. Sag sun/Aries moon.



https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Otto_Warmbier



nothing in air.
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Posted by lisabethur8
Posted by Ram416
Posted by lisabethur8
i never even heard of it.

but i dont see why it shouldnt be aired on youtube if its really happening.
What is "it"?

He admitted in the end that it was fake.


oh i just read above.... i dont know what is going on but i googled and looked up japanese forest suicide so i found this. i thought she meant these.

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Yes, the suicide forest is a well-known location. There was also a movie about it.
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Posted by Ram416
Posted by lisabethur8
i never even heard of it.

but i dont see why it shouldnt be aired on youtube if its really happening.
What is "it"?

He admitted in the end that it was fake.


oh i just read above.... i dont know what is going on but i googled and looked up japanese forest suicide so i found this. i thought she meant these.


Yes, the suicide forest is a well-known location. There was also a movie about it.
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which movie was that?
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Posted by hippiecrite
Posted by nano
I don't understand the difference between that particular youtube video vs the movies, articles, numerous other videos, photo, documentaries, blogs, etc posted online over the years on Aokigahara. It's been a thing popularized for years, so I don't understand what was so different and horrible about the fact that he did it.

I get the suicide thing and how it's disrespectful. But he was not the first, nor was he the last.

Edit: I did not watch his video because it was taken down, but he is not the first nor last to even joke about it. I think it was because he had such a large platform that it was a bigger deal than if joe blow did it.
The last bit. Especially considering his core audience. It was irresponsible.
No 1 He mocked a lot of people's pain. I have lost someone to suicide. My godfather lost his brother to suicide.

No 2 he is desensitizing young people to suicide by presenting it in this manner. And we know many young teens consider suicide.

The key with teens ...is not to talk about them about the grotesque art type horror of it ...or to talk of prevention.

It's simply to remind teens ..MANY of you ...will have suicidal urges ..in fact most of you ..this is normal. And get teens to talk about when they wanted to commit suicide. And for it to be normal to talk about when you are feeling like this for teens. Because it IS usual and likely most teens will feel like this at one point. Whether it be hormonal or the brain not used to dealing with emotions or emotional /social situations. They don't yet have the emotional resilience or experience to deal with extreme emotions that teen yrs produce.


Hope you’re not attemting to sway me. I’m already in your camp. That dick is wasted space.

I never really watched him....until that video ....i thought is it ok to watch it to myself? Or will i be upset ...but i watched it ...all i could think was ...what a creepy guy logan paul is. He gives me the creeps.

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https://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/logan-paul.html

he's a double aries, leo mars pisces venus, sag jupiter. sooo much fire.
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Posted by lisabethur8
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Posted by lisabethur8
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Posted by lisabethur8
i never even heard of it.

but i dont see why it shouldnt be aired on youtube if its really happening.
What is "it"?

He admitted in the end that it was fake.


oh i just read above.... i dont know what is going on but i googled and looked up japanese forest suicide so i found this. i thought she meant these.


Yes, the suicide forest is a well-known location. There was also a movie about it.


which movie was that?

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so about the youtube dude that posted a dead body on YouTube from the Japanese suicide forest.

It was all over the news and Society has shamed him for this.

But why do "we" deem this as wrong... is it that we have such a hard time facing death and our own mortality.

why? why is it wrong?
I always just assume that it's out of respect for the family. And further, what if the family member finds out their loved-one is dead from a random youtube video rather it being done formally and ceremonially?
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so about the youtube dude that posted a dead body on YouTube from the Japanese suicide forest.

It was all over the news and Society has shamed him for this.

But why do "we" deem this as wrong... is it that we have such a hard time facing death and our own mortality.

why? why is it wrong?
Because its disrespectful to the family obvs. I cant believe this is a real question. Do you have brains? People are so insensitive nowadays it makes me wanna hurl and smack a bitch.
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It's all right to ask questions about morality. I don't see anything wrong with her asking those questions, it gives us a chance to assess our own sense of morality.

Agree?
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so about the youtube dude that posted a dead body on YouTube from the Japanese suicide forest.

It was all over the news and Society has shamed him for this.

But why do "we" deem this as wrong... is it that we have such a hard time facing death and our own mortality.

why? why is it wrong?
Because its disrespectful to the family obvs. I cant believe this is a real question. Do you have brains? People are so insensitive nowadays it makes me wanna hurl and smack a bitch.
It's all right to ask questions about morality. I don't see anything wrong with her asking those questions, it gives us a chance to assess our own sense of morality.

Agree?
No she was saying about someone posting a dead body online and why is it so wrong. Im saying you shouldnt be posting pics of dead people anywhere because the familys are getting fucked up over it. Its like your loved one dies all over again and over and over and over and over.
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1st off the face was never shown, so the family argument is voided.

so why else is it wrong?

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Posted by Astrobyn
so about the youtube dude that posted a dead body on YouTube from the Japanese suicide forest.

It was all over the news and Society has shamed him for this.

But why do "we" deem this as wrong... is it that we have such a hard time facing death and our own mortality.

why? why is it wrong?
Because its disrespectful to the family obvs. I cant believe this is a real question. Do you have brains? People are so insensitive nowadays it makes me wanna hurl and smack a bitch.
It's all right to ask questions about morality. I don't see anything wrong with her asking those questions, it gives us a chance to assess our own sense of morality.

Agree?
No she was saying about someone posting a dead body online and why is it so wrong. Im saying you shouldnt be posting pics of dead people anywhere because the familys are getting fucked up over it. Its like your loved one dies all over again and over and over and over and over.
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Yes, but she wasn't the one who posted the video.

The purpose of her question was for self-assessment. She probably knows it's wrong, feels it wrong, but wants to know why it's wrong. And questioning the morality of his act.

From my own perspective it is definitely wrong, and extremely disrespectful. But there will be people who think otherwise. However there is nothing wrong with her questioning the morality of the idiot's act, and everything wrong with what that idiot did.

2 possible answers to her "why".

1. Because...

2. Why not?

Naturally a lot of us will belong to No.1. And not many people will openly admit to No.2.
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Posted by Astrobyn
so about the youtube dude that posted a dead body on YouTube from the Japanese suicide forest.

It was all over the news and Society has shamed him for this.

But why do "we" deem this as wrong... is it that we have such a hard time facing death and our own mortality.

why? why is it wrong?
Oh please.

There is no discussing "why" this is wrong. It just is.

Anyone who has enough sensibility when it comes to mental health, depression, and suicide, and is mature enough to talk about those things or deal with them, wouldn't go as far as to exploit a dead body of someone who took away his life.

It's INdecent, INsensitive, and INhumane. Especially when jokes are being made to the side.

It's not a matter of "whether or not we have a hard time dealing with reality." It's a matter of basic HUMAN DECENCY and the VALUE we put on LIFE itself, which not everyone gets to have in case you didn't know.
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To be honest, I wasn't shocked to find out that someone like Logan Paul would actually go this far and do something as outrageous as this. "Anything for the views" is quite literally his tagline.

But what I found to be more disturbing was the complicit role Youtube seemingly had in this. And how they decided to leave the video up for MANY hours before finally deciding to take it down. That, I think, is more insidious and disturbing than anything. Dare I say, more disturbing than the posting of the video itself.

If y'all don't believe me, google Ephesians 6:12.

...That's all I'm sayin'.
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Suicide is our epidemic.

It plagues our country.

We struggle constantly

to decrease the suicides.

For an idiot to destine his

pleasure trip to a place of

death and tortured souls,

this spits in our very faces

as a country dealing with it.

Japan was best closed off

because non Japanese are

disrespectful and clueless.

Who jokes in such a place?

We try to discourage people

from suicide in Aokigahara.

Yet non Japanese glorify it

and call us rigid because we

don't take death areas lightly.
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We censor what we find offensive. It’s human nature to do so. However, we all have different levels of what we find offensive. Shaming people for what they do or don’t deem acceptable isn’t right either. This falls in line with the govt trying to regulate all sorts of shit they deem wrong.

What I don’t understand is why the hell people cant stay in their own lane.

If a dude commits suicide in public, he dgaf who sees his dead ass. If he did, he’d have done it in private, right?
Actually it's quite the opposite. Commiting suicide in public is all about being seen. These people do it because they want every one to see and the victim wants to "punish" others. Most of those who attempt/commit suicide go in with a "I'll show them" mentality.

Unless this was part of a legit documentary or educational production, all this video and the subsequent backlash did was reinforce how much suicide can impact people in the minds of those people considering suicide as an option.

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This forest is not so public.

Once you enter Aokigahara

the forest is dense and thick.

No one can see in or out any.

Once you are in you get lost

and go deeper into the forest

This is actually so secluded.

You are hidden away from all.

People don't intended to kill

themselves publicly so they

go to the deep forest where

they will not be seen but they

will be found much much later.
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Death is still considered taboo, is linked to fear, uncertainty, loss and grief; these matters usually create fascinaton, avoidance, fear and therefore trigger quite extreme reactions on people. Even if some of us are not very religious or spiritual we are usually taught to avoid death, respect it and not play with these matters.

However, showing death as a matter of study, in an objectivable way isn't usually socially censored. If this forrest wasn't part of the taboo that guy wouldn't have gone so I think is a matter of context. He is breaking the 'social seal' for fun/ego, he knows our unspoken rules and his will of breaking them and broadcast it publicly is what is 'wrong', it creates indignation and a sense of impunity or insecurity that needs to be socially punished to restore the order. The more morbid it is, the more repercussion it gets and the more chaos it generates, public punishment is proportional.

In my opinion his intentions are more important than the content he is showing, a body is just a body and I think if some things were desacralized people wouldn't find it fun to play with them as they would lose the forbidden factor. The problem with this guy is his lack of scruples, he is overlooking consequences as desensitizing people towards suicide and death in general, overlooking families' or viewers' feelings and showing disrespect. Actually what bothers me the most is his immaturity.
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I don't understand the difference between that particular youtube video vs the movies, articles, numerous other videos, photo, documentaries, blogs, etc posted online over the years on Aokigahara. It's been a thing popularized for years, so I don't understand what was so different and horrible about the fact that he did it.

I get the suicide thing and how it's disrespectful. But he was not the first, nor was he the last.

Edit: I did not watch his video because it was taken down, but he is not the first nor last to even joke about it. I think it was because he had such a large platform that it was a bigger deal than if joe blow did it.
Anything making light

of the suicide forest is

considered disrespectful.

Does not make right how

many times idiocy repeats.

That US movie was banned

and faced terrible backlash.

Glorifying another culture's

problem is never acceptable.
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this subject is worthy of discussion no doubt as it is plaguing our younger generation and those who are deeply troubled - could society address the problem without showing the victims - yes of course - we don't want to see a society where death is everyday common and/or so "optional" - the older generation are able to be assisted to die when they can no longer live with their ailments - but to show the victim is disrespectful in my humble opinion
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this subject is worthy of discussion no doubt as it is plaguing our younger generation and those who are deeply troubled - could society address the problem without showing the victims - yes of course - we don't want to see a society where death is everyday common and/or so "optional" - the older generation are able to be assisted to die when they can no longer live with their ailments - but to show the victim is disrespectful in my humble opinion
The victim wants to be seen.
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"Everyone" wants to be seen and that's part of the problems in the world today

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this subject is worthy of discussion no doubt as it is plaguing our younger generation and those who are deeply troubled - could society address the problem without showing the victims - yes of course - we don't want to see a society where death is everyday common and/or so "optional" - the older generation are able to be assisted to die when they can no longer live with their ailments - but to show the victim is disrespectful in my humble opinion
The victim wants to be seen.
"Everyone" wants to be seen and that's part of the problems in the world today


Lol. Good point!

However, this generation of youngsters is all about themselves. Why not give them what they want? Oh yea, they will still find something to complain about
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we created these monsters - it's not their fault that they were born into this rotting society - I blame the parents and the errors of all previous generations which fall into the children's laps - they are our future and we can't "sacrifice" them so to speak for the sake of our own greed and comfort - they have inherited all the grief and bullshit and there is very little fight left to muster

the time is soon coming where there is literally no turning back ... yes, I do still have hope - because that's all I can have to hold on to - is there enough goodness left to save this planet and will it be able to balance the evilness that abounds in almost equal measure

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this subject is worthy of discussion no doubt as it is plaguing our younger generation and those who are deeply troubled - could society address the problem without showing the victims - yes of course - we don't want to see a society where death is everyday common and/or so "optional" - the older generation are able to be assisted to die when they can no longer live with their ailments - but to show the victim is disrespectful in my humble opinion
The victim wants to be seen.
"Everyone" wants to be seen and that's part of the problems in the world today


Lol. Good point!

However, this generation of youngsters is all about themselves. Why not give them what they want? Oh yea, they will still find something to complain about
we created these monsters - it's not their fault that they were born into this rotting society - I blame the parents and the errors of all previous generations which fall into the children's laps - they are our future and we can't "sacrifice" them so to speak for the sake of our own greed and comfort - they have inherited all the grief and bullshit and there is very little fight left to muster

the time is soon coming where there is literally no turning back ... yes, I do still have hope - because that's all I can have to hold on to - is there enough goodness left to save this planet and will it be able to balance the evilness that abounds in almost equal measure




I agree that it’s a result of bad parenting. Lazy parenting to be exact. Parents threw their kids into the TV and taught them no values.
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yes there are many variables - it's a huge problem - I just wonder what it will be like in say 20 years ...

and I don't mean in any sense of the word that we should coddle or spoil the children because of the way things are - they have it tough for sure and it's a hard fight to make it but it is still possible - I believe in tough love - my son turned out well and I wait to see how my grand-boys favor in adult life - I fear for the 2 of them because of their mother who has "issues" and could just kick my son's ass for marrying her in the first place but I will guide them best I can and let the rest up to them

see a lot of parents think they need to "give, give, give" - nope - that was the wrong "g" word - the word is "guide, guide, guide" which is the form of teaching them what they need in order for them to survive on their own