
rockyroadicecream
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Posted by LibraLovesHimThe children don't belong to the park.
How was the child able to get into the water in the first place. The park or whomever built it has a responsibility to protect its children. Insane that its the second enclosed wild animal attack on a child within the space of a month. The risk is there when you enclose animals in an insecure environment or encroach on their natural habitat I suppose.

Posted by MrFirebirdSorry, I dont mean (its) children as in literal. I mean as guests, as a country, etc children should be protected by adults, esp if we are the ones exposing them to potential dangers like wild animals.Posted by LibraLovesHimThe children don't belong to the park.
How was the child able to get into the water in the first place. The park or whomever built it has a responsibility to protect its children. Insane that its the second enclosed wild animal attack on a child within the space of a month. The risk is there when you enclose animals in an insecure environment or encroach on their natural habitat I suppose.
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Posted by LibraLovesHimI am more concerned about the wild politicians than I am wild animals.Posted by MrFirebirdSorry, I dont mean (its) children as in literal. I mean as guests, as a country, etc children should be protected by adults, esp if we are the ones exposing them to potential dangers like wild animals.Posted by LibraLovesHimThe children don't belong to the park.
How was the child able to get into the water in the first place. The park or whomever built it has a responsibility to protect its children. Insane that its the second enclosed wild animal attack on a child within the space of a month. The risk is there when you enclose animals in an insecure environment or encroach on their natural habitat I suppose.
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Posted by sunkisses26They weren't in a dangerous situation.
I don't believe that the parents KNEW that they were in a dangerous situation

Posted by blackphaseOh I respect it at a safe distance for sure. Beautiful yet dangerous...My brother said there was 5 gators in that water and got they're lives taken away too.
Bottom line..
This child already paid for these peoples stupidity.. isn't that enough?
Why should all these Gators be tortured for abiding by their natural instinct while these parents are given sympathy for acting by theirs? Which is clearly driven by stupidity.
And maybe they aren't stupid for allowing their child to swim in the water.. Surely they didn't expect there to be gators nearby, but it's definitely NOT the gators fault. We do not respect the wildlife or seem to know how to share the earth.. we just think it's all fkn ours.
This is no different then if I went for a walk in the woods with my dog and a bear attacked and killed my dog. I wouldn't be out to seek revenge on the bear, that's a risk you take by walking in the woods. I would be the one to blame for putting him in harms way. Unforeseeable things happen all of the time, but the wildlife is not at fault for simply acting on their natural instincts on their own planet.

Posted by rockyroadicecreamLike the warning about putting a plastic bag over your head because you could suffocate?
These parents are why there are some really stupid warnings on things that make you pause.
Remember, when you see some of the obvious warnings of whatever it is you're using/doing, that's because SOMEONE out there was so fucking stupid, that they HAD to include such obvious information.
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Posted by truecapya know, I can see both sides of this stupid tragedy - heard that the hotel had complaints that there should be a fence etc. and did not act - so how about a sign to cover their ass which is what so many do "just in case" - but not they did not - and this is part of "Disneyland" ? how strange but true and a child is gone from us ... the legality of the situation is that the parents no matter what - now have a lawsuit on their hands and they will win and yet again, we all pay dearly for these things ...Posted by rockyroadicecreamLike the warning about putting a plastic bag over your head because you could suffocate?
These parents are why there are some really stupid warnings on things that make you pause.
Remember, when you see some of the obvious warnings of whatever it is you're using/doing, that's because SOMEONE out there was so fucking stupid, that they HAD to include such obvious information.
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Posted by P-Angel
I can't copy the pic from cnn .. but, here's the link
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/alligator-attacks-child-disney-florida/
about half way down, you will see a pic of what the actual water looks like. There are 4 cops standing there, with another man in a blue shirt, and you can see where the struggle left a mark on the beach.
I have no clue what phony pics someone put up here ... but, this is what the water really looks like.
It looks like marsh .... murky, shit growing out of it.







Posted by FinbuffI can not even imagine the horror of the parents and the other people that were there.
Yeah, I know, but the beach is alluring - I mean look at that, if it's hot, some dumb kid will still walk in there. This is so awful for the parents. If you read that story posted above, the parents and others tried to pry the jaws open but couldn't. I probably would have wrestled the damn thing to keep it out of the water.
Talk about a nightmare. Disney is so fucked on this one - they will lose millions without a trial even. They will settle.


Posted by cheekyfaerieJust hell no way different pics. And there were 5 and supposedly they checked and didn't find one until this accident. That is a deep and wide one. And they are going to keep killing until they find the one. That could have been anyone just going to swim at your OWN risk. Thankfully there was people there though it could have been an incident no one would ever know either.Posted by truecapIt's lake water. It is what it is. No body of water is safe down there. Hell, my mom gets snakes in her pool, but at least it's clear and you can see. No way in hell I'd be around that resort water at night.Posted by P-Angel
I can't copy the pic from cnn .. but, here's the link
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/alligator-attacks-child-disney-florida/
about half way down, you will see a pic of what the actual water looks like. There are 4 cops standing there, with another man in a blue shirt, and you can see where the struggle left a mark on the beach.
I have no clue what phony pics someone put up here ... but, this is what the water really looks like.
It looks like marsh .... murky, shit growing out of it.
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Looks pretty murky from this angle.click to expand


Posted by cheekyfaerieI'm from fuckin Boston, and this is common sense to me.Posted by FinbuffThe water's still brackish tho. Everywhere you go in FL, there are alligator signs or swim at your own risk signs. You're right, their signs will mention the threat of gators from here on out, but it was more than implied before. The fact it's a Disney resort provides the illusion of safety, but it's still a body of water in Florida.
I saw a picture of this supposed, "lagoon" and heard it discussed on the radio this A.M. This area had white sand like a beach, without wild plants or other greenery that would have suggested it was a swamp. I've changed my mind and think the resort is totally liable for not having signs posted about alligators, IF they had seen them in the area and knew they were there.
But I grew up in the South so my opinion is probably tainted. We're naturally wary because we know our native predators. Maybe I shouldn't expect someone from Nebraska or another country to be as aware.click to expand

Posted by cheekyfaerieI know, why would they put this nice sandy beach next to the feeding trough? and no signs - WTF?Posted by truecapIt's lake water. It is what it is. No body of water is safe down there. Hell, my mom gets snakes in her pool, but at least it's clear and you can see. No way in hell I'd be around that resort water at night.Posted by P-Angel
I can't copy the pic from cnn .. but, here's the link
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/alligator-attacks-child-disney-florida/
about half way down, you will see a pic of what the actual water looks like. There are 4 cops standing there, with another man in a blue shirt, and you can see where the struggle left a mark on the beach.
I have no clue what phony pics someone put up here ... but, this is what the water really looks like.
It looks like marsh .... murky, shit growing out of it.
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Looks pretty murky from this angle.click to expand






Posted by themagnetorebornreally? do you live in the US? I can understand if you don't live in the US but if you do, where are you that you don't know there are alligators down south?
I didn't know Alligators are prevalent in Florida.
So that is /not/ "common" sense @truecap.
It /is/ an insensitive thing to say as well.

Posted by LittleStarwell that is one of the big missing points of going on a vacation - people think oh I'm going to just go out and have fun and nevermind paying attention to what sort of dangers can befall one because I'm on vacation - ha, went to Costa Rico - loved it but we had an earthquake, landslide, sunami and volcanic eruption in the week we were there - witnessed it all first hand - and we were aware that these things could happen and took precaution - now I'm sure no one can cover all knowledge of all potential dangers, I'm just saying that people can't just be totally oblivious just because "they" are on vacation. they still have the responsibility to look out for themselves as well as the rest of the family.Posted by ElleDuMondeYou don't get the point. There is no one to blame for this kid's death. The alligator might not have been there. It was the wrong place and the wrong time. There isn't any point to bashing the parents.
what is the point of these sites going up showing pictures of kids in the 'same spot'?
we have come to the point in society where absolutely nobody will take accountability for their own actions.
"Let's deflect blame so the parents don't have to feel bad!"
bullbutter.
like Quantum said earlier.....this was a parenting fail.
....and like Monty said as well....if we showed a bunch of kids jumping off bridges......
Just because Marcy Mini Van Mom let's her Jumping Johnny play outside in the street when the streetlights go out.....does that mean you will as well?
Stop being Kardashian parents, FFS.
besides that, these pictures that are being shared are all during the day. This happened at night.....gators are nocturnal and go out at night to find food.
It's a resort. People expect it to be safe because they are going there to relax.
Disney knew of a danger and didn't make people aware and no matter how the child died or even if he hadn't, they should have signs up.click to expand


Posted by themagnetorebornYep, alligators outnumber people which is why people eat gator in Florida.
I didn't know Alligators are prevalent in Florida.
So that is /not/ "common" sense @truecap.
It /is/ an insensitive thing to say as well.

Posted by themagnetorebornYou never realized how the University of Florida got it's mascot?
I didn't know Alligators are prevalent in Florida.
So that is /not/ "common" sense @truecap.
It /is/ an insensitive thing to say as well.

Posted by LittleStar—Posted by truecapBlack.Posted by ImpulsvBut if you camped out in the Northwest, you'd be aware of grizzly bears, wouldn't you?
I'm sorry but if ur not from Florida u might not know alligator are in beaches! N around highly populated areas vs swamps.
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Posted by LittleStarI agree. It was an accident.
The fact that Disney had a movie night in an area that was known to have alligators seems irresponsible. I doubt the parents would have been out there with their kids if that hadn't been the case.
It was an accident. And people need something to blame tragedies on. The truth is things happen at random sometimes and while hundreds of kids swam there and came away just fine, this time it wasn't like that.
I don't see the point of blaming parents. The dad was obviously close enough to see it happen and dive after the alligator and actually try to get the boy back. If they had really been negligent, I doubt he would have been able to move so quickly.

Posted by LittleStarPosted by ElleDuMondeI'm saying that it wasn't the parent's fault that an alligator came and killed the boy.Posted by LittleStarso, if I let a two year old play in the street and he gets ran over by a car.....it's not anyone's fault?Posted by ElleDuMondeYou don't get the point. There is no one to blame for this kid's death. The alligator might not have been there. It was the wrong place and the wrong time. There isn't any point to bashing the parents.
what is the point of these sites going up showing pictures of kids in the 'same spot'?
we have come to the point in society where absolutely nobody will take accountability for their own actions.
"Let's deflect blame so the parents don't have to feel bad!"
bullbutter.
like Quantum said earlier.....this was a parenting fail.
....and like Monty said as well....if we showed a bunch of kids jumping off bridges......
Just because Marcy Mini Van Mom let's her Jumping Johnny play outside in the street when the streetlights go out.....does that mean you will as well?
Stop being Kardashian parents, FFS.
besides that, these pictures that are being shared are all during the day. This happened at night.....gators are nocturnal and go out at night to find food.
It's a resort. People expect it to be safe because they are going there to relax.
Disney knew of a danger and didn't make people aware and no matter how the child died or even if he hadn't, they should have signs up.
there weren't any cars driving on that street when I let him out there.....and there aren't any signs posted that there are cars that are going to be driving on that street.
This is a child. A child that is defenseless in this world and is dependent upon the adults in his vicinity to protect him.
This was the parent's fault. I don't care if saying that isn't politically correct.click to expand
The boy could have drowned and then the parents would have been at fault, because it was a direct cause.
The car scenario doesn't work the same, because roads exist for traffic.
I don't really care about arguing for the sake of political correctness. I'm saying children can die and this wasn't exactly neglectful. It was just breaking the rules. I'm sure if there had been a sign saying "Alligators swim in these waters" the parents would have been less likely to let their kid in the water. Since they were literally feet away watching their son wa


Posted by LittleStarOh! Okay. I wasn't sure what you meant.Posted by truecapBlack bears are much more common.Posted by LittleStar—Posted by truecapBlack.Posted by ImpulsvBut if you camped out in the Northwest, you'd be aware of grizzly bears, wouldn't you?
I'm sorry but if ur not from Florida u might not know alligator are in beaches! N around highly populated areas vs swamps.
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Posted by LittleStarA man made lagoon with flow ways to larger water sources.Posted by ElleDuMondeNot if that's where a human decides to put a resort. Obviously.Posted by LittleStarand swamps exist for wildlife that lives in swamps.
roads exist for traffic. .
Alligators live in swamps because it's the climate they need, roads are built for a purpose to be convenient. Swamps don't exist for alligators.
And this particular "swamp" is a man made lagoon. FYI.
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Posted by P-AngelHere is a link that follows up on this story.
I can't copy the pic from cnn .. but, here's the link
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/alligator-attacks-child-disney-florida/
about half way down, you will see a pic of what the actual water looks like. There are 4 cops standing there, with another man in a blue shirt, and you can see where the struggle left a mark on the beach.
I have no clue what phony pics someone put up here ... but, this is what the water really looks like.
It looks like marsh .... murky, shit growing out of it.
Posted by tctanot only did they not have a gator sign, they have movie nights right there on the beach for family with small kids to enjoy. i'd question the motive and integrity in addition to negligence.
Again, I'm pretty sure that a sign saying alligator infested water would be a deterrent. But then Disney would get questioned about whether or not the resort was safe. Disney chose not to have those precautions out there for a reason.
I'm not saying Disney is to blame anymore than the parents, but they have a responsibility to let people know of the dangers no matter what.


Posted by iCloud9I know, people could have been watching the movie and an alligator could have come out of the water and snatched just as well ...Posted by tctanot only did they not have a gator sign, they have movie nights right there on the beach for family with small kids to enjoy. i'd question the motive and integrity in addition to negligence.
Again, I'm pretty sure that a sign saying alligator infested water would be a deterrent. But then Disney would get questioned about whether or not the resort was safe. Disney chose not to have those precautions out there for a reason.
I'm not saying Disney is to blame anymore than the parents, but they have a responsibility to let people know of the dangers no matter what.click to expand

Posted by Quantumwell she did have a big mouth and was "looney" ...
I heard it wasn't an alligator at all...that it was actually Casey Anthony.

Posted by FinbuffDisney would be the defense in this case. I'm sure you mean the plaintiffs attorney will capitalize on the juror's emotions. I agree.
@Bsmurray - I took several semesters of Business Law as well, and am well aware of tort law and all that. You and I both know (maybe not) this will boil down to jury selection where defense attorneys will be VERY discretionary in finding an uninformed, sympathetic jury. This jury will most likely have no training or education in tort law, nor will they know the difference between that and criminal law. This will be an entirely emotion based trial, which is what defense attorneys thrive on. Disney will NEVER take the chance of this going to trial. Not even a remote possibility. This will be settled out of court for 5-10 million, Disney will be happy to pay and it will have zero impact on their quarterly financial statements.

Posted by LittleStarA lot of people have focused on the fact it's a man made lake, as it it's safer than a natural lake.
I don't know what difference that makes. You guys have your opinion. You can have it.


Posted by SensitiveBluesToo soon?Posted by Quantumfunny. but bad.
I heard it wasn't an alligator at all...that it was actually Casey Anthony.click to expand

Posted by lnana04They're not retarded, in fact, quite contrary. Their goal is to project an image of fun and (false) security to attract more families/money. Plastering giant ALLIGATOR signs around the resort is obviously not conducive to that. They're a giant corporation, do you really think our safety is their number ONE priority? Let's be real.Posted by QuantumIf you constantly see your guest splashing in the water then yes....they are that stupid, and Disney is even more retarded for allowing it to happen.
Oh FFS do we really need signs differentiating between swimming and wading?
Are people really that stupid?
JFC stop the world I want off...click to expand

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Remember, when you see some of the obvious warnings of whatever it is you're using/doing, that's because SOMEONE out there was so fucking stupid, that they HAD to include such obvious information.
In this case, "no swimming" wasn't clear for some scary reason. "Stay the fuck away or you'll die" should probably replace existing signage.
But I'm sure, even then, someone will misinterpret that and point fingers when shit goes wrong. We live in a very enabling, lack of accountability based society. You can basically do whatever the fuck you want and still not be responsible for any negative outcomes, which is fucking sad.