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An interesting points to ponder -
Moment by moment details:
Where was Trayvon when he was talking to Rachel Jeantel? Where was Zimmerman when he was talking to dispatch?
In light of what the teacher, said, above, and in light of the fact that in young adulthood, every
boy coming of age goes through the cycle of the pressure to prove his MANHOOD. It is during this
phase a young man is confronted with many things. Among them, peer pressure and, again, the urge to show others they are a Man. Defiance is one way both boys and girls exhibit. Males are naturally more aggressive. Ahhhh..... But as they get older time and experiences teaches them the wisdom to know
what is appropriate and inappropriate behavior.
I am interested only in the facts, sequence of events and not the emotional hype being force-fed across the nation, around the world an online.
Moment by moment details:
Where was Trayvon when he was talking to Rachel Jeantel? Where was Zimmerman when he was talking to dispatch?
In light of what the teacher, said, above, and in light of the fact that in young adulthood, every
boy coming of age goes through the cycle of the pressure to prove his MANHOOD. It is during this
phase a young man is confronted with many things. Among them, peer pressure and, again, the urge to show others they are a Man. Defiance is one way both boys and girls exhibit. Males are naturally more aggressive. Ahhhh..... But as they get older time and experiences teaches them the wisdom to know
what is appropriate and inappropriate behavior.
I am interested only in the facts, sequence of events and not the emotional hype being force-fed across the nation, around the world an online.
This is a speculation, however it is a speculation NOT without merit and thought. Is it accurate or
is just speculation?
"The key point is Jeantel claimed that she responsed to Trayvon's characterization of Zimmerman -- the man who was at that moment staring at him -- as a "creepy ass cracker" by saying something like: "You afraid you' gonna get raped?"
As I noted previously, there is no antecendent basis for this comment in the conversation.... unless she understood Trayvon's remark to mean that he thought the guy staring at him was a predatory homosexual.
I think further expansion of this point is warranted, as it proves an even better explanation for Trayvon's actions that night.
When a teenage boy tells a girl he's talking to on the phone that there's a creepy predatory homosexual staring at him, following him, and the girl says: "You afraid you' gonna get raped?" -- it has unintended consequences that Jeantel most likely never understood, for any normal insecure teenage boy's interpretation of the subtext of her comment would be: "She thinks I'm not man enough to protect myself from some flabby dough-boy who wants to stick his pecker in my ass!" That's not what Jeantel said, and probably didn't even think it, but that's how an insecure 17 year-old teenager is likely to interpret the remark.
As I recall, she said Trayvon's reply was something like: "Don't even joke about that!"
But the seed of insecurity had already been planted, and what better way to prove to the girl who implied Trayvon wasn't man enough to defend himself from anal invasion that he was, in fact, able to defend himself, than to circle back and find the guy who was following him -- whom he had already lost -- confront him, sucker punch him, and proceed to beat the live crap out of the guy for 40 seconds, all while the girl who had tacitly questioned his manhood is listening in on the phone?
This is critical to understanding why Trayvon, having already reached his father's back-yard, decided to go back and confront Zimmerman. His manhood was at stake, all because of an idle, and in hindsight, ill-advised remark by Jeantel, and he had decided to prove to her he really was a man -- not a boy -- and wasn't going to take any crap from some pasty white homo lusting after his ass. A minute later, he was dead.
That, I suspect, is the psychology behind what happened that night."
http://forum.darwincentral.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=66409&start=50<BR>
is just speculation?
"The key point is Jeantel claimed that she responsed to Trayvon's characterization of Zimmerman -- the man who was at that moment staring at him -- as a "creepy ass cracker" by saying something like: "You afraid you' gonna get raped?"
As I noted previously, there is no antecendent basis for this comment in the conversation.... unless she understood Trayvon's remark to mean that he thought the guy staring at him was a predatory homosexual.
I think further expansion of this point is warranted, as it proves an even better explanation for Trayvon's actions that night.
When a teenage boy tells a girl he's talking to on the phone that there's a creepy predatory homosexual staring at him, following him, and the girl says: "You afraid you' gonna get raped?" -- it has unintended consequences that Jeantel most likely never understood, for any normal insecure teenage boy's interpretation of the subtext of her comment would be: "She thinks I'm not man enough to protect myself from some flabby dough-boy who wants to stick his pecker in my ass!" That's not what Jeantel said, and probably didn't even think it, but that's how an insecure 17 year-old teenager is likely to interpret the remark.
As I recall, she said Trayvon's reply was something like: "Don't even joke about that!"
But the seed of insecurity had already been planted, and what better way to prove to the girl who implied Trayvon wasn't man enough to defend himself from anal invasion that he was, in fact, able to defend himself, than to circle back and find the guy who was following him -- whom he had already lost -- confront him, sucker punch him, and proceed to beat the live crap out of the guy for 40 seconds, all while the girl who had tacitly questioned his manhood is listening in on the phone?
This is critical to understanding why Trayvon, having already reached his father's back-yard, decided to go back and confront Zimmerman. His manhood was at stake, all because of an idle, and in hindsight, ill-advised remark by Jeantel, and he had decided to prove to her he really was a man -- not a boy -- and wasn't going to take any crap from some pasty white homo lusting after his ass. A minute later, he was dead.
That, I suspect, is the psychology behind what happened that night."
http://forum.darwincentral.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=66409&start=50<BR>
^^^ A VERY worthy speculation that touches on what I have been thinking and what others have been thinking.
Nevertheless, FACTS are necessary to substantiate probability.
Attitude. Consequence.
First, Pride. Then, Destruction.
Attitude. Consequence.
What was Trayvon's attitude that night—? What did he actually say— Why do we not have recordings
of the call between Rachel Jeantel and Trayvon Martin—? Like we do Jodi Arias—??
Something tells me that something is being hidden or was conveniently "lost". I don't know.
That's why we investigate.
The truth hurts, but sometimes the truth heals.
That's my objective to get to the truth. - that's all that matters to me.
Why? Because I see a very clear picture. A picture that is going to happen again. Another dead black
kid or black man NOT because of the color of his skin, but because of the content of his character brought him to his own demise.
That's what I see what happened, here, to Trayvon. A troubled kid blinded by pride, quite possibly harboring a world of hate, at an age where "proving your a man" is everything. - Lacking the wisdom
in the Art of War (google it), which Trayvon was ignorant of or he failed to read and heed, and died.
- George Zimmerman may well have been an unfortunate pawn in the fate of another man's life.
I mean it when I say it, I am trying to be as impartial as I possibly can.
No amount of civil rights or gun laws will ever save a hell-bent kid from taking an unnecessary risk
It happened before, it WILL happen again. Next time, it may be a beating with a bat. Who knows...
There are squillion ways to die.
Nevertheless, FACTS are necessary to substantiate probability.
Attitude. Consequence.
First, Pride. Then, Destruction.
Attitude. Consequence.
What was Trayvon's attitude that night—? What did he actually say— Why do we not have recordings
of the call between Rachel Jeantel and Trayvon Martin—? Like we do Jodi Arias—??
Something tells me that something is being hidden or was conveniently "lost". I don't know.
That's why we investigate.
The truth hurts, but sometimes the truth heals.
That's my objective to get to the truth. - that's all that matters to me.
Why? Because I see a very clear picture. A picture that is going to happen again. Another dead black
kid or black man NOT because of the color of his skin, but because of the content of his character brought him to his own demise.
That's what I see what happened, here, to Trayvon. A troubled kid blinded by pride, quite possibly harboring a world of hate, at an age where "proving your a man" is everything. - Lacking the wisdom
in the Art of War (google it), which Trayvon was ignorant of or he failed to read and heed, and died.
- George Zimmerman may well have been an unfortunate pawn in the fate of another man's life.
I mean it when I say it, I am trying to be as impartial as I possibly can.
No amount of civil rights or gun laws will ever save a hell-bent kid from taking an unnecessary risk
It happened before, it WILL happen again. Next time, it may be a beating with a bat. Who knows...
There are squillion ways to die.
CRACKER A BIT RACIST SUT
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by MrFirebirdPosted by SUT3point0Posted by cunninglinguistI wish nothing but rape for this cracker
I mean, this right here is a perfect example. ^
? That man told the boy to put his hands up and he complied. Then shot him in the chest and killed him. He deserves what he gets. Im the bad guy now? LOL
You got solid evidence of that, sut? Or did you pull that one out of your ass—?
Yeah go watch the video. The guys own security camera recorded him shooting his neighbor. Or is that not solid evidence to youclick to expand
And that has to do with Zimmmerman in what way——
SUT, Having reviewed and investigated that story a pinch, I have this to say:
That is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT set of circumstances than what Zimmerman faced.
He SHOULD be found guilty and spend the rest of his life behind bars.
In the Zimmerman case, Zimmerman's perception that his life was in danger.
Spooner has ABSOLUTELY NO leg to stand on. Case closed in my mind as far as Spooner
is concerned. Darius had not even attacked him.
Suspicion is NOT a license to kill anyone. There is a HUGE, COLOSSAL Difference between
Zimmerman and Spooner DUE to the DIFFERENT "CIRCUMSTANCES". The Circumstances are key to
which charge is chosen for the crime. Zimmerman's case is pretty rare in it's circumstances.
NOW.... There IS another story that is worthy of serious attention and that is Marissa Alexander
Though the circumstances appear far more similar, some minute details may differ.
http://justiceformarissa.blogspot.com/<BR>
Oddly, it appears that Prosecutor Angela Corey is also involved in the Alexander case. - if true.
I am wondering if Angela Corey is a HUGE Embarrassment to the Legal Community. - I think the IT who
was fired is filing suit against her and the state. not sure.
That is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT set of circumstances than what Zimmerman faced.
He SHOULD be found guilty and spend the rest of his life behind bars.
In the Zimmerman case, Zimmerman's perception that his life was in danger.
Spooner has ABSOLUTELY NO leg to stand on. Case closed in my mind as far as Spooner
is concerned. Darius had not even attacked him.
Suspicion is NOT a license to kill anyone. There is a HUGE, COLOSSAL Difference between
Zimmerman and Spooner DUE to the DIFFERENT "CIRCUMSTANCES". The Circumstances are key to
which charge is chosen for the crime. Zimmerman's case is pretty rare in it's circumstances.
NOW.... There IS another story that is worthy of serious attention and that is Marissa Alexander
Though the circumstances appear far more similar, some minute details may differ.
http://justiceformarissa.blogspot.com/<BR>
Oddly, it appears that Prosecutor Angela Corey is also involved in the Alexander case. - if true.
I am wondering if Angela Corey is a HUGE Embarrassment to the Legal Community. - I think the IT who
was fired is filing suit against her and the state. not sure.
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