Enfant-Terrible-II
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In my experience it depends.
For me I've gotten the reason is because
they are aware of the "plan" or "lesson" I'm
currently in or am learning and they don't want to
rob me or us from that experience
so information is purposely withheld.
Like, they are aware they could keep you
From the gift of your own experience
here. But these are spirits I'm familiar with.
They are in the light*.
They are connected to the all
and so they are aware of more things.
More information.
I've also gotten an answer that I'm not in
the correct "vibration" to see certain information.
They've said that I'm always shifting* and so
it's a matter of where I am consciously wise
that will dictate what information I align with.
Or
-what information I ((alllow)) myself to know
depending on where I am.
So until then they stay "current" and won't
go too far ahead of where you and I are
to also not spoil*
For me I've gotten the reason is because
they are aware of the "plan" or "lesson" I'm
currently in or am learning and they don't want to
rob me or us from that experience
so information is purposely withheld.
Like, they are aware they could keep you
From the gift of your own experience
here. But these are spirits I'm familiar with.
They are in the light*.
They are connected to the all
and so they are aware of more things.
More information.
I've also gotten an answer that I'm not in
the correct "vibration" to see certain information.
They've said that I'm always shifting* and so
it's a matter of where I am consciously wise
that will dictate what information I align with.
Or
-what information I ((alllow)) myself to know
depending on where I am.
So until then they stay "current" and won't
go too far ahead of where you and I are
to also not spoil*
I don't necessarily believe in spirits but I have two theories:
-either spirits don't exist and so, the person in contact with them is only interacting with one part of his own intelligence, and that explains the hidden parts or mental barriers
-Or they do, but they don't have physical intelligence so either they are stuck on moods and emotions or something else, but like in the first case, we have to use our own inteligence to drive their discourse.
In both cases I think the clearness of the message only depends of our own interpretation (in the theatric sense) or lack thereof
-either spirits don't exist and so, the person in contact with them is only interacting with one part of his own intelligence, and that explains the hidden parts or mental barriers
-Or they do, but they don't have physical intelligence so either they are stuck on moods and emotions or something else, but like in the first case, we have to use our own inteligence to drive their discourse.
In both cases I think the clearness of the message only depends of our own interpretation (in the theatric sense) or lack thereof
why tf is DXP adding empty lines every time you want to do a new line
Are you saying that you are experiencing having an otherworldly entity talking to you ?
Posted by xxAjuxx
In my experience it depends.
For me I've gotten the reason is because
they are aware of the "plan" or "lesson" I'm
currently in or am learning and they don't want to
rob me or us from that experience
so information is purposely withheld.
Like, they are aware they could keep you
From the gift of your own experience
here. But these are spirits I'm familiar with.
They are in the light*.
They are connected to the all
and so they are aware of more things.
More information.
I've also gotten an answer that I'm not in
the correct "vibration" to see certain information.
They've said that I'm always shifting* and so
it's a matter of where I am consciously wise
that will dictate what information I align with.
Or
-what information I ((alllow)) myself to know
depending on where I am.
So until then they stay "current" and won't
go too far ahead of where you and I are
to also not spoil*
Makes sense, thanks for elaborating. Fits perfectly in with a lot of the things I learned and experienced on the topic (not psychic myself though)
But ok, personal lessons is one thing. But what if the spirit whose death was ruled accident, says she's actually been murdered... and when asked by whom or under what circumstances, the spirit clearly says "It's for you(people) to figure out".
Why say one thing that nobody can prove anyway at this point, but withold the only information that could possibly lead somewhere?
But yeah I know the spirit world can be coy af.
Reminds me of that "Twin Peaks" episode when the giant dude from the other realm helps the detective's murder investigation but provides only vague clues, saying "That's all we're allowed to say".
Posted by nanochip
Are you saying that you are experiencing having an otherworldly entity talking to you ?
No, not me. I'm about as perceptive as Helen Keller when it comes to these things.
But I've known a few ppl who are "psychic" throughout my life, didn't have any opinions about it one way or the other.. but last few years I've known someone close to me who is like an energy magnet and I've experienced firsthand some serious activity just being around him.
It's different when you may believe someone but don't know what to make of it, and when you actually experience it firsthand.
Posted by Stony
Have you done psychedelics before?
Ok you've proved yourself cool, now go piss up an other thread .
Posted by StonyPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by Stony
Have you done psychedelics before?
Ok you've proved yourself cool, now go piss up an other thread .
I asked them because they talked about "being connected to the all." That's a common feeling on psychedelics, so I wonder if they've experienced that and they're referencing that or what. But okay my guy.click to expand
So start a psychedelics thread š I never asked anything about drugs in my OP , my question was pretty specific
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xxAjuxxMakes sense, thanks for elaborating. Fits perfectly in with a lot of the things I learned and experienced on the topic (not psychic myself though)
In my experience it depends.
For me I've gotten the reason is because
they are aware of the "plan" or "lesson" I'm
currently in or am learning and they don't want to
rob me or us from that experience
so information is purposely withheld.
Like, they are aware they could keep you
From the gift of your own experience
here. But these are spirits I'm familiar with.
They are in the light*.
They are connected to the all
and so they are aware of more things.
More information.
I've also gotten an answer that I'm not in
the correct "vibration" to see certain information.
They've said that I'm always shifting* and so
it's a matter of where I am consciously wise
that will dictate what information I align with.
Or
-what information I ((alllow)) myself to know
depending on where I am.
So until then they stay "current" and won't
go too far ahead of where you and I are
to also not spoil*
But ok, personal lessons is one thing. But what if the spirit whose death was ruled accident, says she's actually been murdered... and when asked by whom or under what circumstances, the spirit clearly says "It's for you(people) to figure out".
Why say one thing that nobody can prove anyway at this point, but withold the only information that could possibly lead somewhere?
But yeah I know the spirit world can be coy af.
Reminds me of that "Twin Peaks" episode when the giant dude from the other realm helps the detective's murder investigation but provides only vague clues, saying "That's all we're allowed to say".
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You are very welcome š
That's exactly what I have experienced!
And that sounds as though this spirit
knows the importance or significance
of their transition and us not knowing
specific details actually is beneficial at
the current time. If you know* then you
close off certain events and lessons
that your soul intended to go through
for growth by not* knowing.
It doesn't mean this information will
Forever be "locked" or "hidden" but
if it serves you from their perspective
to not know (yet) then that is how it will be.
(This is only from my own understanding
and experience though)
Was this spirit close
to you? I hope I am not rude in any way.
Posted by StonyPosted by xxAjuxx
In my experience it depends.
For me I've gotten the reason is because
they are aware of the "plan" or "lesson" I'm
currently in or am learning and they don't want to
rob me or us from that experience
so information is purposely withheld.
Like, they are aware they could keep you
From the gift of your own experience
here. But these are spirits I'm familiar with.
They are in the light*.
They are connected to the all
and so they are aware of more things.
More information.
I've also gotten an answer that I'm not in
the correct "vibration" to see certain information.
They've said that I'm always shifting* and so
it's a matter of where I am consciously wise
that will dictate what information I align with.
Or
-what information I ((alllow)) myself to know
depending on where I am.
So until then they stay "current" and won't
go too far ahead of where you and I are
to also not spoil*
Have you done psychedelics before?click to expand
Yes! I have actually, @stony!
I have used
Delta-8 THC
And
Delta-9 THC
(Marijuana / Cannibus)
To enter into trance to
receieve information
through "trance channeling."
(This is when the energy patterns
in my consciousness can be linked
to theirs and they can speak through me.)
I don't need the psychedelic(s)to enter
into trance ((but)) if I'm going
through a stressful situation,
And I need to make contact,
It's harder for me to lift
my consciousness on
my own without the psychedelic
enough* to "hear"
what they are saying.
so I may use those as a form
of "assistance" in an emergency.
š»š·š»
Now
(Marijuana / Cannibus)...
These things can be a
form of aĀ "permission slip" that can blast
open your higher pathways of consciousness
like our
[Crown chakra] energy pathway...
[Third eye] energy pathway...
[Throat chakra] energy pathway...
[Heart chakra] energy pathway...
So it's important if anyone uses this
to either have someone close first and
Also make sure you
know where you are with your
PersonalĀ beliefs* as that can dictate
or influence what you experience*
Posted by xxAjuxxPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xxAjuxx
In my experience it depends.
For me I've gotten the reason is because
they are aware of the "plan" or "lesson" I'm
currently in or am learning and they don't want to
rob me or us from that experience
so information is purposely withheld.
Like, they are aware they could keep you
From the gift of your own experience
here. But these are spirits I'm familiar with.
They are in the light*.
They are connected to the all
and so they are aware of more things.
More information.
I've also gotten an answer that I'm not in
the correct "vibration" to see certain information.
They've said that I'm always shifting* and so
it's a matter of where I am consciously wise
that will dictate what information I align with.
Or
-what information I ((alllow)) myself to know
depending on where I am.
So until then they stay "current" and won't
go too far ahead of where you and I are
to also not spoil*
Makes sense, thanks for elaborating. Fits perfectly in with a lot of the things I learned and experienced on the topic (not psychic myself though)
But ok, personal lessons is one thing. But what if the spirit whose death was ruled accident, says she's actually been murdered... and when asked by whom or under what circumstances, the spirit clearly says "It's for you(people) to figure out".
Why say one thing that nobody can prove anyway at this point, but withold the only information that could possibly lead somewhere?
But yeah I know the spirit world can be coy af.
Reminds me of that "Twin Peaks" episode when the giant dude from the other realm helps the detective's murder investigation but provides only vague clues, saying "That's all we're allowed to say".
click to expand
You are very welcome š
That's exactly what I have experienced!
And that sounds as though this spirit
knows the importance or significance
of their transition and us not knowing
specific details actually is beneficial at
the current time. If you know* then you
close off certain events and lessons
that your soul intended to go through
for growth by not* knowing.
It doesn't mean this information will
Forever be "locked" or "hidden" but
if it serves you from their perspective
to not know (yet) then that is how it will be.
(This is only from my own understanding
and experience though)
Was this spirit close
to you? I hope I am not rude in any way.
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Yeah that was my 2nd train- of-thought too,
(about the spirit not disclosing specific information bc altough it seems related to her, the significance really lies in where the journey takes us following what she HAS disclosed)
...but I actually wanted to hear you say it and not speculate too much myself.
No you're not rude. Yes she was very close to me and I just received this information from a mutual colleague of ours that I haven't seen in a long time. From what I heard, she actually sees physical manifestations of ppl who've passed, which I assume is extremely rare among 'psychics'.
Because your subconscious doesn't know the answer either so it can only show you the situation. You have to work out the whys for yourself.
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xxAjuxxPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xxAjuxx
In my experience it depends.
For me I've gotten the reason is because
they are aware of the "plan" or "lesson" I'm
currently in or am learning and they don't want to
rob me or us from that experience
so information is purposely withheld.
Like, they are aware they could keep you
From the gift of your own experience
here. But these are spirits I'm familiar with.
They are in the light*.
They are connected to the all
and so they are aware of more things.
More information.
I've also gotten an answer that I'm not in
the correct "vibration" to see certain information.
They've said that I'm always shifting* and so
it's a matter of where I am consciously wise
that will dictate what information I align with.
Or
-what information I ((alllow)) myself to know
depending on where I am.
So until then they stay "current" and won't
go too far ahead of where you and I are
to also not spoil*
Makes sense, thanks for elaborating. Fits perfectly in with a lot of the things I learned and experienced on the topic (not psychic myself though)
But ok, personal lessons is one thing. But what if the spirit whose death was ruled accident, says she's actually been murdered... and when asked by whom or under what circumstances, the spirit clearly says "It's for you(people) to figure out".
Why say one thing that nobody can prove anyway at this point, but withold the only information that could possibly lead somewhere?
But yeah I know the spirit world can be coy af.
Reminds me of that "Twin Peaks" episode when the giant dude from the other realm helps the detective's murder investigation but provides only vague clues, saying "That's all we're allowed to say".
click to expand
You are very welcome š
That's exactly what I have experienced!
And that sounds as though this spirit
knows the importance or significance
of their transition and us not knowing
specific details actually is beneficial at
the current time. If you know* then you
close off certain events and lessons
that your soul intended to go through
for growth by not* knowing.
It doesn't mean this information will
Forever be "locked" or "hidden" but
if it serves you from their perspective
to not know (yet) then that is how it will be.
(This is only from my own understanding
and experience though)
Was this spirit close
to you? I hope I am not rude in any way.
Yeah that was my 2nd train- of-thought too,
(about the spirit not disclosing specific information bc altough it seems related to her, the significance really lies in where the journey takes us following what she HAS disclosed)
...but I actually wanted to hear you say it and not speculate too much myself.
No you're not rude. Yes she was very close to me and I just received this information from a mutual colleague of ours that I haven't seen in a long time. From what I heard, she actually sees physical manifestations of ppl who've passed, which I assume is extremely rare among 'psychics'.
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Wow!
I feel that maybe if you do learn to open your channels to be more sensitive to energy, how
you experience them will be unique to you.
If you ever want to channel, I have used
How to channel by sanaya Roman.
(I've also used other books that I can recommend.)
She channels a spirit named Orin and
he's the one actually writing the book.
Also I give my condolences as well.
She is always always with you š
Because spirits don't physically exist. It's all just ideas in your head. I'm not saying that when a human dies, they don't potentially meet up with other spirits. In the living world however they don't exist here anymore. It's all just you trying to make something exist that doesn't anymore. You are taking spirits memory or essence and mentally making up ideas through your own mind that aren't actually there.
That's just the way it is. Spirits and ghosts can't live in our world anymore. It's just you and your thoughts making stuff up to either fill a void in your personal life, or the void someone who died left in your life.
That's just the way it is. Spirits and ghosts can't live in our world anymore. It's just you and your thoughts making stuff up to either fill a void in your personal life, or the void someone who died left in your life.
Posted by hydorah
why tf is DXP adding empty lines every time you want to do a new line
I know! I hate that.
Iād two weeks ago I was writing my book , which felt like channeling. So I got up walked n flipped the switch off . I turn around take three step n the lights turned on
I looked at the switch it was up! It takes a lot of pressure to move it up!!
I looked at the switch it was up! It takes a lot of pressure to move it up!!
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
intentionally withold information about something they obviousely want or need to get across, while they are otherwise speaking as clearly as someone sitting across from you at the table?
What's the deal? Like what are the conditions?
Destiny. Part of it is your journey. You can't expect others to give everything to you all packed up and ready.
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
intentionally withold information about something they obviousely want or need to get across, while they are otherwise speaking as clearly as someone sitting across from you at the table?
What's the deal? Like what are the conditions?
2. To not screw with free will.
3. the same reason why we don't teach a 3rd grader multiplication & division before, subtraction & addition.
Posted by Soul
Because spirits don't physically exist. It's all just ideas in your head. I'm not saying that when a human dies, they don't potentially meet up with other spirits. In the living world however they don't exist here anymore. It's all just you trying to make something exist that doesn't anymore. You are taking spirits memory or essence and mentally making up ideas through your own mind that aren't actually there.
That's just the way it is. Spirits and ghosts can't live in our world anymore. It's just you and your thoughts making stuff up to either fill a void in your personal life, or the void someone who died left in your life.
Ah, not a moment too late. A cool mopey guy who's gonna come in here and tell me what MY experience has been.
I haven't even shared the sum of my experiences for you to come and make a summary or judgement or conjure up a neat all-worlds explanation. You are actually talking about yourself and your limited experience as a tiny mopey man who thinks the world revolves around what's in your mind. And that's a pretty small world.
I was like you. For 33 years I never had a single experience of anything beyond which what I can see or grasp or explain.
And the change didn't come in a time of my life when I needed it, it came at a time when everything was good, balanced, no big events or personal tragedies or traumas, I was content and happy.
And it wasn't something that came from within me. It's things I witnessed mostly in groups of other people in random situations, like family gatherings, normal everyday moments like that when you don't expect it. And that you cannot explain in any scientific terms.
I figured I wouldn't share exactly what happened in here bc it's simply personal and too long I would have to tell you about my friends and family and I've never been much for sharing my private life in here.
Only reason I brought it up is bc I was looking for specific answers from ppl who may know more. I'm only giving you my time and energy bc I was like you once, rooted in my own little perception of what reality is, having answers to everything, having no own experience of the other side..
I still cannot see or feel anything on my own. I tried once I learned there are other places, but I'm just not one of those ppl. Probably never will be. Like I assume you are not. I never had hallucinations of any sort in my life, even during sleep paralysis I know it wasn't reality the moment I wake up.
( My mind is just not wired to experienced unreal stuff as reality. That's also why I'd want to try acid, to see if I could ever truly trick my mind (or ego). )
So altough someone like you would equate it to a religious experience, one of belief, I've never been much for believing shit. I don't care about believing, it doesn't do anything to me. I want to know. And now, I know. And once you do, you cannot unknow.
Upon experiencing these things for the first time, people react in two different ways. They either shut off and never adddress it again bc it's too far from how much they're able and willing to stretch their own minds (or ego).. or they accept it and live with it like you with all other mundane everyday things one takes for granted.
So I don't want to take away your right to your own journey, like I said, I was like you and lived for 33 years before I had my first experience and even then it wasn't my experience, I was just there to witness it and I could do it with clarity, being myself and who I was the past 33 years, the stone cold realist with a huge ego. Yet, I saw experienced it all DESPITE that.
So my journey isn't an emotional one or rooted in wishful thinking related to any particular person or event. It is one of curiosity and fascination simply. Just like a scientist only I have no explanations or theories, I can just observe and feel how fucking cool it is.
All my family passed over so I gained an interest in connecting with the spirit world. For me, I ask for signsā¦some people call
it synchronicity but it works and proves to me theyāre around meā¦.
it synchronicity but it works and proves to me theyāre around meā¦.
Posted by Soul
Because spirits don't physically exist. It's all just ideas in your head. I'm not saying that when a human dies, they don't potentially meet up with other spirits. In the living world however they don't exist here anymore. It's all just you trying to make something exist that doesn't anymore. You are taking spirits memory or essence and mentally making up ideas through your own mind that aren't actually there.
That's just the way it is. Spirits and ghosts can't live in our world anymore. It's just you and your thoughts making stuff up to either fill a void in your personal life, or the void someone who died left in your life.
Soul did a paragraph, what is this
Posted by IceStorm
I donāt talk to spirits because there is no way of knowing which are good and which are bad, and bad spirits have motives just like bad people do.
Iām not opening that gate up to hear no extra voices lol š« like the religious people who say the voices or āspiritsā tell them to harm themselves or others.. (like the psychopath Christian mom who killed her own kids because the āspiritsā told her that her kids were zombies) šš evil as fuck. I feel like once youāve opened the door to one, you open the door to them all.. so I donāt fuck around with that.
That doesnāt happen if you protect yourself and work with the light.
Posted by MyStarsShine
All my family passed over so I gained an interest in connecting with the spirit world. For me, I ask for signsā¦some people call
it synchronicity but it works and proves to me theyāre around meā¦.
šš„² me too
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by Soul
Because spirits don't physically exist. It's all just ideas in your head. I'm not saying that when a human dies, they don't potentially meet up with other spirits. In the living world however they don't exist here anymore. It's all just you trying to make something exist that doesn't anymore. You are taking spirits memory or essence and mentally making up ideas through your own mind that aren't actually there.
That's just the way it is. Spirits and ghosts can't live in our world anymore. It's just you and your thoughts making stuff up to either fill a void in your personal life, or the void someone who died left in your life.
Ah, not a moment too late. A cool mopey guy who's gonna come in here and tell me what MY experience has been.
I haven't even shared the sum of my experiences for you to come and make a summary or judgement or conjure up a neat all-worlds explanation. You are actually talking about yourself and your limited experience as a tiny mopey man who thinks the world revolves around what's in your mind. And that's a pretty small world.
I was like you. For 33 years I never had a single experience of anything beyond which what I can see or grasp or explain.
And the change didn't come in a time of my life when I needed it, it came at a time when everything was good, balanced, no big events or personal tragedies or traumas, I was content and happy.
And it wasn't something that came from within me. It's things I witnessed mostly in groups of other people in random situations, like family gatherings, normal everyday moments like that when you don't expect it. And that you cannot explain in any scientific terms.
I figured I wouldn't share exactly what happened in here bc it's simply personal and too long I would have to tell you about my friends and family and I've never been much for sharing my private life in here.
Only reason I brought it up is bc I was looking for specific answers from ppl who may know more. I'm only giving you my time and energy bc I was like you once, rooted in my own little perception of what reality is, having answers to everything, having no own experience of the other side..
I still cannot see or feel anything on my own. I tried once I learned there are other places, but I'm just not one of those ppl. Probably never will be. Like I assume you are not. I never had hallucinations of any sort in my life, even during sleep paralysis I know it wasn't reality the moment I wake up.
( My mind is just not wired to experienced unreal stuff as reality. That's also why I'd want to try acid, to see if I could ever truly trick my mind (or ego). )
So altough someone like you would equate it to a religious experience, one of belief, I've never been much for believing shit. I don't care about believing, it doesn't do anything to me. I want to know. And now, I know. And once you do, you cannot unknow.
Upon experiencing these things for the first time, people react in two different ways. They either shut off and never adddress it again bc it's too far from how much they're able and willing to stretch their own minds (or ego).. or they accept it and live with it like you with all other mundane everyday things one takes for granted.
So I don't want to take away your right to your own journey, like I said, I was like you and lived for 33 years before I had my first experience and even then it wasn't my experience, I was just there to witness it and I could do it with clarity, being myself and who I was the past 33 years, the stone cold realist with a huge ego. Yet, I saw experienced it all DESPITE that.
So my journey isn't an emotional one or rooted in wishful thinking related to any particular person or event. It is one of curiosity and fascination simply. Just like a scientist only I have no explanations or theories, I can just observe and feel how fucking cool it is.
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A friend called me a "Spiritual Scientist" one day.
It warmed my heart so much because I felt
as though that is the closest thing I can think
of to explain where I am currently with all this.
Some may think I'm wishful thinking or need
to know there is an afterlife to be sane when
that has never been the case. I just always had
the urge to go beyond what I was "told".
I too was ...
Well, I would say I was Christian to about 15
or 16. Then I went Atheist, and then around my
early to late 20s I started to experiment through
meditation and Astral travel and other life experiences (like you mention here āØš).
I had to look at all this to really know
and I feel all of us Must do this.
We must be brave and go beyond
what scientist see as "true" and be
our own explorer because right now in the
main stream understanding, these things we
see as paranormal or Spiritual does not hold
any importance it seems when to me, this field
of study is the most important.
Words like
"Angels"
Or
"Heaven"
Has been in our societal mind for so long
that they seem to automatically have this
fairytale sense to them which in turn cause
scientist to look away and ignore.
They are, in a sense, and has been a
deterrent for most intellectuals and it's a shame
because we need all forms of consciousness and intelligence to take this stuff serious.
(Of course, no one has to do anything)
But I believe that if we are to move foward
as a species, We must be brave and explore
outside what is known instead of stopping
at "fake" because we have not "seen" it
ourselves in our own lives.
"(This is why many beings above what we
are able to see call us the masters of
limitation.)"
There's just so many things that don't add up
around us because we are simply not
caught up to connecting the dots scientifically
and I don't understand why we simply shrug it
Off. No rock should be left unturned when
it comes to exploring ourworld, nature,
the universe.
There are some that do actually treat
this serious and are using this knowledge to
try and manipulate or the opposite help others
With their new found "strange"knowledge.
It's one of the main reasons why
ghostbusters has always been my favorite
movie because they don't do what they do
because of fear or because some book told
them. They were always just wanting to "know"
and experiment even though most people
will deny or laugh at them.
The "character" in the movie, Walter Peck" is a
shinning example.
These people that laugh or disbelieve
are not stupid to me, but rather have" zoned " in their intelligence, their level of awareness to a degree that does not allow them to "see" what is beyond
which is similar to an ant or any animal
that does not focus on things outside of
What is necessary to know by them.
So their circle of intelligence is smaller
but not dumb. I see this similar
to an example of a spotlight. The spotlight
that is only focused on one object, the actor,
instead of the entire room. It's not dumb or
less but it's focus is not wide to explore its
intelligence "more" --beyond what it knows.
Like...
An ant can't pay human bills but that doesn't
mean the ant is dumb or unintelligent. It's
focus and sacred intelligence is just focused
in a specific way that benefits him in this life
and thatĀ is okay. It has its own journey
to master.
š»š·š»
One day though I do believe modern day scientist
will catch up and actually take this stuff serious
because not only will more people who are not
brave will explore as well but our technology
,our very existence will change dramatically
for I feel then we will see MAJOR LEAPS
in inventions like in the movies.
(Star trek for example)
We will give these places like "heaven"
a mathematical understanding and know
that places like this actually exist.
Ps. ā
You are much so psychic @Enfant-Terrible-II
To me, one way to open is to ask through prayer.
To me, this is the basic step.
This doesn't mean it has to be Christian or
any of thoseĀ "denominations" and it's not
a cheeky door that could lead you to that route.
Prayer to me is just a way for us and our subconscious to communicate
with the unseen and allow forms of consciousness
already aroundĀ assisting us to help in a specific
way we wish or desire. It's not a call for someone to now be christian, like the "help" button in settings.
It can help open doors that may not have been opened without asking first as you will then be worked on through your current beliefs and blocks to help you see what you could not see in the past.
The necessary People and events will then be
presented to you that can help in this regard
((Further)).
You can also Reach out to your "gatekeeper"
through prayer. And from their simply be,
and go with the flow after.
From my understanding our gatekeeper is an intelligence that is a protector or shield
of sorts between you and the invisible.
This entity could even be someone who
loved you in the physical but passed on
before you in this life in a linear sense.
My mother is my gatekeeper.. š„°
They help keep harmful
Invisible entities from harming or keeping
you off your path. Ask them for assistance
so that you can "see" and explore more of
this world while still being protected and loved.
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Posted by IceStormPosted by MyStarsShine
All my family passed over so I gained an interest in connecting with the spirit world. For me, I ask for signsā¦some people call
it synchronicity but it works and proves to me theyāre around meā¦.
My mom passed in 2009 Iāve never ātalkedā with her but I absolutely agree that sheās around me. (Iāve had other friends/family members pass but none as significant as her) She was a heavy cigarette smoker, and sometimes Iāll get random whiffs of cigarette smoke and I feel that sheās with me, looking over me and my son and that gives me peace. ā¤ļø But you know how they say āthe veil is thinā I donāt know much about the spirit world but I have a 12th house stellium (Venus, Jupiter and Saturn are all in my 12th house) so maybe itās my Saturn in 12th house that causes a blockage. But in my gut/intuition I just feel like opening that door would be like opening a can of worms, so instead I am content with trusting that God and my angels are watching over with me without needing to ātalkā to them. Just knowing they are with me gives me peace.
As a nurse Iāve worked with people who have heard āvoicesā telling them to harm themselves or others, and of course theyāre diagnosed with schizophrenia.. but thatās the thing about spirit/mental world.. how do you know which is which? Is it really a mental disorder or did they open the door to spirits getting in their head? (Or vice versa.. people could think theyāre hearing from spirits when really theyāre just losing their minds).
I just feel itās playing with fire in some cases and Iād rather not take that chance. Iām not lacking in anything by keeping that door closed.click to expand
I think schizophrenia is quite noticeable because it comes with a host of other serious mental health issues. It is actually your in your head. Perhaps there is a weakness in your spiritual defences that can let bad things in and that's the voices, but I don't think so. I think it's really all in your head, your own mind is turning on you.
A spiritual experience is something quite different.
Posted by IceStormPosted by Walk_on_byPosted by IceStormPosted by MyStarsShineMy mom passed in 2009 Iāve never ātalkedā with her but I absolutely agree that sheās around me. (Iāve had other friends/family members pass but none as significant as her) She was a heavy cigarette smoker, and sometimes Iāll get random whiffs of cigarette smoke and I feel that sheās with me, looking over me and my son and that gives me peace. ā¤ļø But you know how they say āthe veil is thinā I donāt know much about the spirit world but I have a 12th house stellium (Venus, Jupiter and Saturn are all in my 12th house) so maybe itās my Saturn in 12th house that causes a blockage. But in my gut/intuition I just feel like opening that door would be like opening a can of worms, so instead I am content with trusting that God and my angels are watching over with me without needing to ātalkā to them. Just knowing they are with me gives me peace.
All my family passed over so I gained an interest in connecting with the spirit world. For me, I ask for signsā¦some people call
it synchronicity but it works and proves to me theyāre around meā¦.
As a nurse Iāve worked with people who have heard āvoicesā telling them to harm themselves or others, and of course theyāre diagnosed with schizophrenia.. but thatās the thing about spirit/mental world.. how do you know which is which? Is it really a mental disorder or did they open the door to spirits getting in their head? (Or vice versa.. people could think theyāre hearing from spirits when really theyāre just losing their minds).
I just feel itās playing with fire in some cases and Iād rather not take that chance. Iām not lacking in anything by keeping that door closed.
I think schizophrenia is quite noticeable because it comes with a host of other serious mental health issues. It is actually your in your head. Perhaps there is a weakness in your spiritual defences that can let bad things in and that's the voices, but I don't think so. I think it's really all in your head, your own mind is turning on you.
A spiritual experience is something quite different.
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Yeah Iāve never experienced either of the two (schizophrenia OR communing with spirits) so itās hard to tell the difference.. I just know as an observer from the outside, they both seem pretty similar to me. Of course I know they are not the same thing, I donāt mean to imply that they are.. but in both cases, someone hears voices that are not their own. Tarot card readers will often talk about they **hear** from spirits. So I assumed they meant they are actually hearing voices.
I agree that when you feel things in your gut, thatās more intuitive and spiritual. I am definitely tapped into my intuition and gut feelings are rarely wrong.. I can feel when something is off, Iāll get sick to my stomach and my intuition has proven to be true many times. In those cases I do believe Iām hearing from God and my angels but not in a literal sense.
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I don't believe most tarot people are actually talking to anyone, they're just making it up.
They want you to arrive at that level on your own perhaps. They can't raise your vibrations for you unfortunately. I had a time of great heartbreak once. I could feel how removed spirit was from the situation but I simply couldn't and wouldn't detach myself from whatever I was going through, even though the message was "you can rise above this and move on". That was some years ago and I'm still in that cycle of attachment, even though I try not to grieve too much.
In some cases, a direct message is fine. In other cases, they throw out the line and you have to bite. Well, I dunno. I'm not connected to spirit recently anyway though. Too far out at sea
In some cases, a direct message is fine. In other cases, they throw out the line and you have to bite. Well, I dunno. I'm not connected to spirit recently anyway though. Too far out at sea
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
intentionally withold information about something they obviousely want or need to get across, while they are otherwise speaking as clearly as someone sitting across from you at the table?
What's the deal? Like what are the conditions?
This in itself disproves the idea that spirits/souls of the deceased are talking to us.
If they did, we would have had by now the answers to some fundamental questions about "life after death", and these answers would have been consistent among thousands of such "communications".
But...
The human brain could hear voices that don't exist for a large number of reasons.
-- Firstly, we all have an internal voice entertaining us. We could easily create imaginary dialogues with real people.
--Once your brain is screwed--even just a little--it starts hearing voices. Not only in schizofrenia, but also dementia, depression, PTSD, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder. I just visited my mum who has dementia. She's still well enough to live on her own, but hears voices almost constantly, and she absolutely believes that they are real and often argues with them.
--Some otherwise normal people hear voices before falling asleep or waking up.
The voices in our head "withhold information" simply because we don't know the relevant information. Our brain can only make up new things based on what it already knows.
i donāt know if theyāre intentionally withholding information but usually when i wanna know something ,i ask the universe to give me a sign of some sort lol so you could try asking the universe for a clear sign and theyāll try to give it to you in a way youāll recognize.
when you do this, youāre not talking to anyone in particular lol just the universe. i usually end up receiving some sorta sign.
i once had the weirdest experience tho. i was getting confusing opinions that made very little sense from a bunch of different doctors about a medical condition i had at the time and no one seemed to know what was going on. i got tired of going to all these doctors appointments and returning without answers.
but then , i was lying on my bed one afternoon and i heard a voice in my head mention a doctorās name that i havenāt ever seen or heard of before. just like randomly out of nowhere.
i got curious so i decided to google ādr.____, (my city)ā and lo and behold, he actually existed. he was a real doctor who was in my city but i never knew of him (he was a lesser known doctor compared to the others, i think?) i contacted him that same day and he ended up saying something completely different from all the other doctors i had spoken to. while everyone else misdiagnosed me, this guy gave me the right info and with his advice and help, my condition was solved.
so yeah that was a little strange experience i once had lol i dunno if spirit or whoever had anything to do with it but itās been several years and i still wonder what that was.
when you do this, youāre not talking to anyone in particular lol just the universe. i usually end up receiving some sorta sign.
i once had the weirdest experience tho. i was getting confusing opinions that made very little sense from a bunch of different doctors about a medical condition i had at the time and no one seemed to know what was going on. i got tired of going to all these doctors appointments and returning without answers.
but then , i was lying on my bed one afternoon and i heard a voice in my head mention a doctorās name that i havenāt ever seen or heard of before. just like randomly out of nowhere.
i got curious so i decided to google ādr.____, (my city)ā and lo and behold, he actually existed. he was a real doctor who was in my city but i never knew of him (he was a lesser known doctor compared to the others, i think?) i contacted him that same day and he ended up saying something completely different from all the other doctors i had spoken to. while everyone else misdiagnosed me, this guy gave me the right info and with his advice and help, my condition was solved.
so yeah that was a little strange experience i once had lol i dunno if spirit or whoever had anything to do with it but itās been several years and i still wonder what that was.
Posted by IceStorm
I donāt talk to spirits because there is no way of knowing which are good and which are bad, and bad spirits have motives just like bad people do.
Iām not opening that gate up to hear no extra voices lol š« like the religious people who say the voices or āspiritsā tell them to harm themselves or others.. (like the psychopath Christian mom who killed her own kids because the āspiritsā told her that her kids were zombies) šš evil as fuck. I feel like once youāve opened the door to one, you open the door to them all.. so I donāt fuck around with that.
i once heard someone say āyou canāt be haunted by ghosts if you donāt believe in ghostsā š
i only believe in good spirits lol š if anyone ever comes at me with creepy ass stories about evil spirits, iām just gonna act like i didnāt hear a damn thing lol š people are buying raggedy-ass dolls that have been inhabited by evil spirits or whatnot from online auctions these days but iām like hell naw keep that shit away from me lol š some people collect haunted dolls as a hobby. itās wild lol
Posted by serenidad
i donāt know if theyāre intentionally withholding information but usually when i wanna know something ,i ask the universe to give me a sign of some sort lol so you could try asking the universe for a clear sign and theyāll try to give it to you in a way youāll recognize.
when you do this, youāre not talking to anyone in particular lol just the universe. i usually end up receiving some sorta sign.
i once had the weirdest experience tho. i was getting confusing opinions that made very little sense from a bunch of different doctors about a medical condition i had at the time and no one seemed to know what was going on. i got tired of going to all these doctors appointments and returning without answers.
but then , i was lying on my bed one afternoon and i heard a voice in my head mention a doctorās name that i havenāt ever seen or heard of before. just like randomly out of nowhere.
i got curious so i decided to google ādr.____, (my city)ā and lo and behold, he actually existed. he was a real doctor who was in my city but i never knew of him (he was a lesser known doctor compared to the others, i think?) i contacted him that same day and he ended up saying something completely different from all the other doctors i had spoken to. while everyone else misdiagnosed me, this guy gave me the right info and with his advice and help, my condition was solved.
so yeah that was a little strange experience i once had lol i dunno if spirit or whoever had anything to do with it but itās been several years and i still wonder what that was.
Wow!!
I love love love when this happens š
I feel at peace when they come
through in this way.
I don't feel scared at all.
Connection to spirit is so sacred
and important to me š
Are you better now from the
condition @serenidad?
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Posted by xxAjuxxPosted by serenidad
i donāt know if theyāre intentionally withholding information but usually when i wanna know something ,i ask the universe to give me a sign of some sort lol so you could try asking the universe for a clear sign and theyāll try to give it to you in a way youāll recognize.
when you do this, youāre not talking to anyone in particular lol just the universe. i usually end up receiving some sorta sign.
i once had the weirdest experience tho. i was getting confusing opinions that made very little sense from a bunch of different doctors about a medical condition i had at the time and no one seemed to know what was going on. i got tired of going to all these doctors appointments and returning without answers.
but then , i was lying on my bed one afternoon and i heard a voice in my head mention a doctorās name that i havenāt ever seen or heard of before. just like randomly out of nowhere.
i got curious so i decided to google ādr.____, (my city)ā and lo and behold, he actually existed. he was a real doctor who was in my city but i never knew of him (he was a lesser known doctor compared to the others, i think?) i contacted him that same day and he ended up saying something completely different from all the other doctors i had spoken to. while everyone else misdiagnosed me, this guy gave me the right info and with his advice and help, my condition was solved.
so yeah that was a little strange experience i once had lol i dunno if spirit or whoever had anything to do with it but itās been several years and i still wonder what that was.
Wow!!
I love love love when this happens š
I feel at peace when they come
through in this way.
I don't feel scared at all.
Connection to spirit is so sacred
and important to me š
Are you better now from the
condition @serenidad?
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yes, iām better! all thanks to whatever that voice was lol š the universe totally hooked me up lol š
Posted by serenidadPosted by xxAjuxxPosted by serenidad
i donāt know if theyāre intentionally withholding information but usually when i wanna know something ,i ask the universe to give me a sign of some sort lol so you could try asking the universe for a clear sign and theyāll try to give it to you in a way youāll recognize.
when you do this, youāre not talking to anyone in particular lol just the universe. i usually end up receiving some sorta sign.
i once had the weirdest experience tho. i was getting confusing opinions that made very little sense from a bunch of different doctors about a medical condition i had at the time and no one seemed to know what was going on. i got tired of going to all these doctors appointments and returning without answers.
but then , i was lying on my bed one afternoon and i heard a voice in my head mention a doctorās name that i havenāt ever seen or heard of before. just like randomly out of nowhere.
i got curious so i decided to google ādr.____, (my city)ā and lo and behold, he actually existed. he was a real doctor who was in my city but i never knew of him (he was a lesser known doctor compared to the others, i think?) i contacted him that same day and he ended up saying something completely different from all the other doctors i had spoken to. while everyone else misdiagnosed me, this guy gave me the right info and with his advice and help, my condition was solved.
so yeah that was a little strange experience i once had lol i dunno if spirit or whoever had anything to do with it but itās been several years and i still wonder what that was.
Wow!!
I love love love when this happens š
I feel at peace when they come
through in this way.
I don't feel scared at all.
Connection to spirit is so sacred
and important to me š
Are you better now from the
condition @serenidad?
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yes, iām better! all thanks to whatever that voice was lol š the universe totally hooked me up lol š
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Lol lol š
Yes!
They will always have your back š
That's so amazing.
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Posted by UndinePosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
intentionally withold information about something they obviousely want or need to get across, while they are otherwise speaking as clearly as someone sitting across from you at the table?
What's the deal? Like what are the conditions?
This in itself disproves the idea that spirits/souls of the deceased are talking to us.
If they did, we would have had by now the answers to some fundamental questions about "life after death", and these answers would have been consistent among thousands of such "communications".
But...
The human brain could hear voices that don't exist for a large number of reasons.
-- Firstly, we all have an internal voice entertaining us. We could easily create imaginary dialogues with real people.
--Once your brain is screwed--even just a little--it starts hearing voices. Not only in schizofrenia, but also dementia, depression, PTSD, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder. I just visited my mum who has dementia. She's still well enough to live on her own, but hears voices almost constantly, and she absolutely believes that they are real and often argues with them.
--Some otherwise normal people hear voices before falling asleep or waking up.
The voices in our head "withhold information" simply because we don't know the relevant information. Our brain can only make up new things based on what it already knows.click to expand
There is mental illness. There is schizophrenia. There are subjective factors. Yes, I should know, I work in psychiatry. I see it daily. But to think you can explain away ALL paranormal experiences as being a product of the mind is just plain ignorant.
That is your ego talking. You are trying to rationalize and explain away something you cannot even begin to fathom in your current form. How arrogant of you to think you have every corner of our existence figured out.
You are trying to draw rules and conclusions about a hypothetical afterlife based on your limited human experience on this earth and in these dimensions. That is a futile endeavor. Even if we knew for fact there was an afterelife, there are no certainties that we would know much more about everything or anything once weāve passed on to the other side. The other side could just be another chapter in our existence.
People usually assume that when we die , we are granted acess to unlimited knowledge. And then ā like you said ā the dead should be able to communicate to us, the living, and tell us everything we ever wanted to know. Itās best to leave such fantasies and illusions at the door, like I said, we have absolutely 0 clue about what goes on beyond and what rules and laws apply there. And weāll probably never know in our human form so itās meaningless to try and explain it , even for someone like me who approaches these things with a scientific curiousity rather than religious certainty.
Your explanations ā how you lump together ALL paranormal phenomena simply as āvoicesā - are ridiculous and naive to put it mildly. You are like that character in a horror movie who would try and explain away Reaganās possession as her ājust having a coldā while her head is twisting back and sheās puking Satanās semen. lol
Voices, mental illness, drugs, etc are all subjective experiences, yes. But what about things that happen outside in the physical world?
Because if you have seen poltergeist phenomena in its various forms up close, like me ā not only witnessed by yourself but several people present ā at several occassions, to the point itās become an unspectacular thing, it is not about believing (or not) anymore. It is about knowing.
I am not talking about āwind draftā or creaking stairs, I am talking about forceful activity; from small stuff like intentional knocks as way of communication, to tablecloths being forcefully punched from under the table when thereās nothing there, kitchen chairs with people sitting in them being dragged across the floor, cars not starting when people are leaving then suddenly all starting at once, framed photographs materializing mid-air and falling to the ground, etc. etc. Thereās just tons of it, most of the time witnessed by several people at once. Me included.
Is there a theory of everything that you can cnonjure up in your mind that would explain all that activity happening around one household?
Even if you are open to it, it's one thing trusting someone's word (and their mental state) and believing what they are saying.... and another thing witnessing it for yourself, knowing it undisputably. I remember my first legit experience, I wasn't afraid, my mind was just having a hard time compartmentalizing it. It felt like I witnessed an everyday thing because it happened in real time, in reality, just like any other everyday thing. It's hard to explain.
Iāll say it again, faith and belief has never had any significant place in my life. I either know something or I donāt. Anything else is uninteresting to me.
And this I know for sure:
1. There is some sort of afterlife
2. The deceased are able to interact with us and have an actual exchange of information in real time, like a conversation of sorts. An intelligent exchange.
And while we're on the topic of 'psychic' people, they are not above the human condition just bc they are psychic.
* There are well-adjusted, well-meaning psychics
* There are frauds
* There are narcissistic/"empath" ones
* There are mentally unstable ones
* There are legit ones who have shitty character and will make things up when they don't get anything through
* There are legit ones who are also schizophrenic and hear their own voices
People with psychic abilities are not superhumans. They come from all walks of life and they have their own journey. You can have psychic abilities and still be a lying scumbag most of the time. One doesn't exclude the other.
* There are well-adjusted, well-meaning psychics
* There are frauds
* There are narcissistic/"empath" ones
* There are mentally unstable ones
* There are legit ones who have shitty character and will make things up when they don't get anything through
* There are legit ones who are also schizophrenic and hear their own voices
People with psychic abilities are not superhumans. They come from all walks of life and they have their own journey. You can have psychic abilities and still be a lying scumbag most of the time. One doesn't exclude the other.
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
And while we're on the topic of 'psychic' people, they are not above the human condition just bc they are psychic.
* There are well-adjusted, well-meaning psychics
* There are frauds
* There are narcissistic/"empath" ones
* There are mentally unstable ones
* There are legit ones who have shitty character and will make things up when they don't get anything through
* There are legit ones who are also schizophrenic and hear their own voices
People with psychic abilities are not superhumans. They come from all walks of life and they have their own journey. You can have psychic abilities and still be a lying scumbag most of the time. One doesn't exclude the other.
I sleep with the Holy Bible next to me in my night stand, and the Satanic Bible under my bed. I have dozens of different totems around my house which each have a different spiritual meaning. I keep them around to show any spirit they are honored, and safe. In hopes they feel free to move on from this world.
Spirits shouldn't exist in your life, and if they do, you are either selfish by forcing them to still exist in the living realm, or doing something extreamly wrong.
I literally broke up with a woman simply because she called one of my owl totems ugly. Giuseppe is one of my favorites. I bring him with me to sketchy places, especially when I go camping. He has special traits that ward off witches, and evil energy in general. I like when he watches over me while I sleep. So the second she called him ugly, and said how I should get rid of him was the second I ended the relationship. Giuseppe is one of the strongest totems I own, and absolutely adorable in every way. The nerve of her offending him was too much to take, and showed her hidden colors imo. Though I don't feel Giuseppe IS a spirit. He is just an idol that represents a specific power/ trait. Something to ward off spirits.
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by UndinePosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
intentionally withold information about something they obviousely want or need to get across, while they are otherwise speaking as clearly as someone sitting across from you at the table?
What's the deal? Like what are the conditions?
This in itself disproves the idea that spirits/souls of the deceased are talking to us.
If they did, we would have had by now the answers to some fundamental questions about "life after death", and these answers would have been consistent among thousands of such "communications".
But...
The human brain could hear voices that don't exist for a large number of reasons.
-- Firstly, we all have an internal voice entertaining us. We could easily create imaginary dialogues with real people.
--Once your brain is screwed--even just a little--it starts hearing voices. Not only in schizofrenia, but also dementia, depression, PTSD, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder. I just visited my mum who has dementia. She's still well enough to live on her own, but hears voices almost constantly, and she absolutely believes that they are real and often argues with them.
--Some otherwise normal people hear voices before falling asleep or waking up.
The voices in our head "withhold information" simply because we don't know the relevant information. Our brain can only make up new things based on what it already knows.
There is mental illness. There is schizophrenia. There are subjective factors. Yes, I should know, I work in psychiatry. I see it daily. But to think you can explain away ALL paranormal experiences as being a product of the mind is just plain ignorant.
That is your ego talking. You are trying to rationalize and explain away something you cannot even begin to fathom in your current form. How arrogant of you to think you have every corner of our existence figured out.
You are trying to draw rules and conclusions about a hypothetical afterlife based on your limited human experience on this earth and in these dimensions. That is a futile endeavor. Even if we knew for fact there was an afterelife, there are no certainties that we would know much more about everything or anything once weāve passed on to the other side. The other side could just be another chapter in our existence.
People usually assume that when we die , we are granted acess to unlimited knowledge. And then ā like you said ā the dead should be able to communicate to us, the living, and tell us everything we ever wanted to know. Itās best to leave such fantasies and illusions at the door, like I said, we have absolutely 0 clue about what goes on beyond and what rules and laws apply there. And weāll probably never know in our human form so itās meaningless to try and explain it , even for someone like me who approaches these things with a scientific curiousity rather than religious certainty.
Your explanations ā how you lump together ALL paranormal phenomena simply as āvoicesā - are ridiculous and naive to put it mildly. You are like that character in a horror movie who would try and explain away Reaganās possession as her ājust having a coldā while her head is twisting back and sheās puking Satanās semen. lol
Voices, mental illness, drugs, etc are all subjective experiences, yes. But what about things that happen outside in the physical world?
Because if you have seen poltergeist phenomena in its various forms up close, like me ā not only witnessed by yourself but several people present ā at several occassions, to the point itās become an unspectacular thing, it is not about believing (or not) anymore. It is about knowing.
I am not talking about āwind draftā or creaking stairs, I am talking about forceful activity; from small stuff like intentional knocks as way of communication, to tablecloths being forcefully punched from under the table when thereās nothing there, kitchen chairs with people sitting in them being dragged across the floor, cars not starting when people are leaving then suddenly all starting at once, framed photographs materializing mid-air and falling to the ground, etc. etc. Thereās just tons of it, most of the time witnessed by several people at once. Me included.
Is there a theory of everything that you can cnonjure up in your mind that would explain all that activity happening around one household?
Even if you are open to it, it's one thing trusting someone's word (and their mental state) and believing what they are saying.... and another thing witnessing it for yourself, knowing it undisputably. I remember my first legit experience, I wasn't afraid, my mind was just having a hard time compartmentalizing it. It felt like I witnessed an everyday thing because it happened in real time, in reality, just like any other everyday thing. It's hard to explain.
Iāll say it again, faith and belief has never had any significant place in my life. I either know something or I donāt. Anything else is uninteresting to me.
And this I know for sure:
1. There is some sort of afterlife
2. The deceased are able to interact with us and have an actual exchange of information in real time, like a conversation of sorts. An intelligent exchange.
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Whoa! A lot of projecting and attributing to me words/ideas that I didn't express. I was coming from a neutral, rational ground, looking at it objectively.
I agree with your 1, 2, 3 (at the end of your rant). If you would have bothered to read my last response on dxpnet, on the other thread that approaches this topic, you would have known that I had reasons to think that my deceasead father interacted with me soon after his death. Obviously, there could be other, more mundane explanations for what was going on.
We need to approach any paranormal activity we come across (personal or through reading) with our rational mind, not wishful thinking. Wishful thinking does a GREAT DISSERVICE by producing a lot of noise that will in fact cover up those genuine occurrences, if they do exist.
As for the dead talking to the living, could you recommend a book or study that looked into thousands of such cases and draw some conclusions about what they have in common? For example, NDE experiences by different people have certain things in common, and this is how we know that they were not simply delusions. How about the information extracted from those who truly passed?
Posted by Undine
Whoa! A lot of projecting and attributing to me words/ideas that I didn't express. I was coming from a neutral, rational ground, looking at it objectively.
I agree with your 1, 2, 3 (at the end of your rant). If you would have bothered to read my last response on dxpnet, on the other thread that approaches this topic, you would have known that I had reasons to think that my deceasead father interacted with me soon after his death. Obviously, there could be other, more mundane explanations for what was going on.
We need to approach any paranormal activity we come across (personal or through reading) with our rational mind, not wishful thinking. Wishful thinking does a GREAT DISSERVICE by producing a lot of noise that will in fact cover up those genuine occurrences, if they do exist.
How am I projecting? You literally said:
āThis in itself disproves the idea that spirits/souls of the deceased are talking to us.ā
And then you went on to explain your basis for such a conclusion.
Which I then specifically addressed in my ārantā.
Why would I have bothered reading āyour last response on dxpnetā in some other thread? Iām not here to study you or your opinions specifically.
And where in my post was I approcahing paranormal activity irrationally? If thatās what you wanted to address, thatās fine. But at least base that assumption on something that I have actually said.
I may have been short in my original post because I was hoping someone who knows exactly what Iām talking about would take the bait, rather than having to engage in a broad philosophical discussion about whether or not ther is an afterlife. But then I elaborated more about the situatuion, the background, in my response to xxAjuxx
(and Soul, in the hopes of not having to deal with more off-topic nonsense. Iām beyond that because input from sceptics donāt interest me anymore where Iām at in my life. Itās also irrelevant to the topic).
Yes, I agree with you. We need to approcah these things with a rational mind, which I have always done. Since I have never prior to a few years back had any experiences of āhardā paranormal activity I have never had to form an opinion about other peopleās experiences one way or the other.
However, when I witnessed these things for myself, the rational thing was to simply acknowledge them as real. What they are exactly, no one knows for sure. I mean it doesnāt even have to be spirits of deceased ones.. it could also be that we are in a simulation of some sort and someone is conjuring āunrealā phenomena to see our reactions for their own entertainment. Itās as plausible theory as any other considering how little we know about the fabric of reality outside of the 3 dimensions that we inhabit.
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As for the dead talking to the living, could you recommend a book or study that looked into thousands of such cases and draw some conclusions about what they have in common? For example, NDE experiences by different people have certain things in common, and this is how we know that they were not simply delusions. How about the information extracted from those who truly passed?
I cannot recommend any particular studies or books as Iām not turning to litterature to enlighten me on this particular topic.
Iām sure there are quite a few well-documented cases of actual paranormal activity out there, but it is most likely drained out by all the noise from the non-serious parties, like you said.
Also, science is very much bordering on dogma these days. Scientist too are inclined to bury and discredit eachothers work because it may impose on their own studies, careers and life-work. Not saying that that is the case here, but what serious scientist would put his career on the line to study ghosts? Especially with nonsense like āGhost Huntersā out there. And would we even pay attention? Just look at the UAP thing of recent years. Too much noise.
There is a book Iāve read though, called āYou cannot dieā by Ian Currie. I assumed it would be some crap in the vein of Raymond Moody and that Iād lose interest quicklyā¦ but I actually kept reading till the end because a lot of the information - albeit anecdotal ā coincides with a lot of personal experiences, so I figured at the very least, itās an interpretation of things that I know for sure happen, if not facts.
What struck me the most was the elaborate source list at the end, even though the author himself isnāt precisely objective in the conclusions he draws from the material he is presenting ā but everything (the studies, the persons) is accounted for if youād care to look it up.
The subtitle reads āThe Incredible Findings of a Century of Research on Deathā and I guess that kind of sums it up. Itās a compilation of various types of studies going far back historically (hence not very accurate or credible scientifically) to when the book was published in 1979.
Whatās interesting is that the author doesnāt seem to have written anything else on the topic. His other works include historic accounts, weather books (?) and a pottery book, lol. In other words, not your average Sylvia Browne nutcase precisely.
To conclude, it is probably the only book I would recommend that tries to tackle the topic impersonally and at least somewhat scientifically and does so in a matter-of-fact fashion as far as presenting information and āstudiesā. How many of these studies are credible is another discussion.
The first half was rather dull, basically just endless accounts of paranormal activities, hauntings, etc. that weāre all already well acquainted with. The second half was more interesting and addresses such things as what supposedly happens after we die, where do we go, what and why is reincarnation, what type of people usually stick around after death (hint: people with psychopathic tendencies have a harder time parting with the material world), possessions, what is time, etc. Itās described in ways weāre not usually used to, so itās kind of a fascinating read.
Posted by Soul
I sleep with the Holy Bible next to me in my night stand, and the Satanic Bible under my bed. I have dozens of different totems around my house which each have a different spiritual meaning. I keep them around to show any spirit they are honored, and safe. In hopes they feel free to move on from this world.
Spirits shouldn't exist in your life, and if they do, you are either selfish by forcing them to still exist in the living realm, or doing something extreamly wrong.
I don't know what thread you've been reading or how any of this relates to what I said.
And you are wrong. Spirits of deceased ones linger around perfectly well on their own without anyone "forcing them to still exist in the living realm" or sometimes even wanting them here . A lot of the times, the living are actively seeking to get them to move on.
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by Soul
I sleep with the Holy Bible next to me in my night stand, and the Satanic Bible under my bed. I have dozens of different totems around my house which each have a different spiritual meaning. I keep them around to show any spirit they are honored, and safe. In hopes they feel free to move on from this world.
Spirits shouldn't exist in your life, and if they do, you are either selfish by forcing them to still exist in the living realm, or doing something extreamly wrong.
I don't know what thread you've been reading or how any of this relates to what I said.
And you are wrong. Spirits of deceased ones linger around perfectly well on their own without anyone "forcing them to still exist in the living realm" or sometimes even wanting them here . A lot of the times, the living are actively seeking to get them to move on.
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This is very true in my experienceā¦
Iām wondering how many people who donāt believe in spirits have actually had any experiences with them or attempted to?
Itās like people that say *i donāt believe in astrology or tarot* when theyāve never studied it to any degree?
Itās like people that say *i donāt believe in astrology or tarot* when theyāve never studied it to any degree?
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by Soul
I sleep with the Holy Bible next to me in my night stand, and the Satanic Bible under my bed. I have dozens of different totems around my house which each have a different spiritual meaning. I keep them around to show any spirit they are honored, and safe. In hopes they feel free to move on from this world.
Spirits shouldn't exist in your life, and if they do, you are either selfish by forcing them to still exist in the living realm, or doing something extreamly wrong.
I don't know what thread you've been reading or how any of this relates to what I said.
And you are wrong. Spirits of deceased ones linger around perfectly well on their own without anyone "forcing them to still exist in the living realm" or sometimes even wanting them here . A lot of the times, the living are actively seeking to get them to move on.
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I personally feel you are wrong. You are taking a bit of ego, and fusing with a void in your life. You aren't some special human that sees spirits. Exactly like my post, you look somewhat crazy by making stuff up in your head, and expressing how you feel like you are haunted, or watched over by spirits. They are simply dead, and not here anymore. Just accept that and stop being delusional.
Again, I shouldn't act like I know the things you've seen from your own point of view are wrong, because its not PC in today's day and age, but I truly do. You've convinced yourself that delusions, illusions, coincidence, or even dreams are the spirits of people you knew. They aren't though. It's all just made up in your head. I'll give you the aspect of in dreams you felt like you seen a spirit from the past though if that's the case. I have those often. There is 0% chance you've seen one in your woken state, unless you were on drugs or something. Which I'll also accept. If you've seen spirits in dreams, or while taking drugs I get that.
You've never seen one awake and sober though. Unless you have an actual mental disorder, or really enjoy messing with people. If normal sober people could see spirits, it would be known and accepted world wide. Otherwise, you just sound crazy, and you're not special in any way, and don't have some superpower to speak with the dead. You're just a basic human that posts on a dying astrology forum, just like me.
Iām sensing some strong correlation of those supposedly being able to communicate with spirits having way too much time on their hands. I mean look at those who play ouiji boards. Too much time to kill I tell ya
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I personally feel you are wrong. You are taking a bit of ego, and fusing with a void in your life. You aren't some special human that sees spirits. Exactly like my post, you look somewhat crazy by making stuff up in your head, and expressing how you feel like you are haunted, or watched over by spirits. They are simply dead, and not here anymore. Just accept that and stop being delusional.
Again, I shouldn't act like I know the things you've seen from your own point of view are wrong, because its not PC in today's day and age, but I truly do. You've convinced yourself that delusions, illusions, coincidence, or even dreams are the spirits of people you knew. They aren't though. It's all just made up in your head. I'll give you the aspect of in dreams you felt like you seen a spirit from the past though if that's the case. I have those often. There is 0% chance you've seen one in your woken state, unless you were on drugs or something. Which I'll also accept. If you've seen spirits in dreams, or while taking drugs I get that.
You've never seen one awake and sober though. Unless you have an actual mental disorder, or really enjoy messing with people. If normal sober people could see spirits, it would be known and accepted world wide. Otherwise, you just sound crazy, and you're not special in any way, and don't have some superpower to speak with the dead. You're just a basic human that posts on a dying astrology forum, just like me.
ONCE AGAIN.... have you bothered reading my actual posts in this thread bc I do not recognize anything you're saying as a response to what I've disclosed!
Nowhere did I even state that I have psychic abilities or that I am "being watched over" or that I've "seen spirits" . I have seen what some invisible force can do, and that it can interactively communicate with the living. But I have not SEEN a spirit or a ghost.
I suggest you go back and read what exactly my personal experience has been and you'd see I've never experienced anything on my own (I'm not open to it), and that it was always in groups of people, where we all saw the same things, which cannot be attributed to illusions, hallucinations, ego, drugs, "dreams" or wishful thinking - considering the vast differences in age, life style , background, etc.
IT WAS NOT "MY" EXPERIENCE. I JUST HAPPENED TO BE THERE TO WITNESS IT. Get the difference?
It's not like these were seances and shit went down (mass psychosis), they were normal family and friends gatherings, sometimes celebrations, sometimes formal..
So really you are coming off as extremely dense trying to explain away something by not even addressing the actual experiences.
Then also talking about breaking it off with some girl cuz she was disrespectful of your fucking doll. Wtf does that have to do with anything? You yourself seem a good candidate for schizophrenia while attributing qualities to me that I never had in my life (mental illness, drug use, 'seeing things').
You say "If normal sober people could see spirits, it would be known and accepted world wide."
But it IS known and accepted world-wide. I mean what do you expect - front page news that aren't even news?
Another thing. I have never heard of anyone drunk seeing ghosts. It's just one of those things people say, but it makes no sense as there's nothing about being drunk that would make you see things. If anything you see and perceive less. All alcohol does is change mood and temper. It's not LSD.
But you seem like one of those guys who cannot trust his own senses.. either cuz of your schizophrenia or substance abuse history or whatnot.... well, don't confuse yourself with me in that regard.
And if you gonna reply again and comment on my experience regarding these things, please make sure you are actually commenting on my experience and not something you twisted around in your head or speak of in some broad sense.
Posted by SassyKiwi
Iām sensing some strong correlation of those supposedly being able to communicate with spirits having way too much time on their hands. I mean look at those who play ouiji boards. Too much time to kill I tell ya
People who can sense, perceive or in other ways comnunicate with spirits don't need ouiji boards. You must be thinking of drunk teenagers.
Posted by SassyKiwi
Iām sensing some strong correlation of those supposedly being able to communicate with spirits having way too much time on their hands. I mean look at those who play ouiji boards. Too much time to kill I tell ya
No thatās people who play too many video games ā¦. Too much time to waste š
Spirit connection can take seconds and as Enfant said you donāt need am ouija boardā¦.
you just need to tune in and ask
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Iām sensing some strong correlation of those supposedly being able to communicate with spirits having way too much time on their hands. I mean look at those who play ouiji boards. Too much time to kill I tell ya
People who can sense, perceive or in other ways comnunicate with spirits don't need ouiji boards. You must be thinking of drunk teenagers.
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