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Posted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by jeanePosted by dOpehEadPosted by IxiPosted by dOpehEadPosted by IxiPosted by dOpehEadPosted by IxiPosted by dOpehEadPosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiYou're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings.
And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.
TERF is an academic descriptive term and one that isn't exactly a slur but it is mostly seen as denigrating, you should expect a fight if you did call a person in the feminist movement a TERF (whether they earned the moniker or not) due to current common usage of the term.
With the above being said....without greater context as to what these women are saying to trans-rights activists and why I wouldn't be able to make a call either way. Not every criticism about how the movement conducts is business is inherently transphobic or anti-trans.
I will more generally say that the efforts by some radical feminists groups to exclude trans-women from the protection and support of the larger feminist movement could absolutely be considered transphobic.
To expect women to make way or fight for the rights for males (ie transwomen) could be considered misogynistic.
Very few women would say that transwomen should be without support or rights or the freedom to live their lives without violence but they are not entitled to their own facts based on their feelings.
They are not males though. They are women or are you disputing that?
They are biological males. Or are you saying they are biological women?
You're arguing that trans-women who have transitioned are men? Am I understanding you correctly?
I'm saying transwomen are biologically male. Are you saying they are biologically female?
Would you consider yourself a feminist?
So you've not answered my question twice now. Interesting.
I have answered your question earlier in the thread, just not directly to you.
I've already stated that they are not Cis-gendered women.
But your saying they are men, they are not. That premise would be incorrect once they are out and have transitioned their gender expression.
Male and female are not gender expressions. They're anatomical words used to describe the sex of your reproductive organs.
Well actually they are in a sense...anatomical. Yes.
But I didn't equate male and female to gender expression.
You said she wasn't male, but she is if she still has a penis. Was just clarifying that, is all. No further comments on the subject.
No she has a male sexual organ, but she isn't male. Hence the denotion of a her being a she at all.
You tried it though.
What? She is a gender pronoun. Basically we don't disagree.
We may, we may not.
I'm not sure.
Let's do a litmus test.
Do you believe that someone who is a trans-woman and hasn't transitioned sexually is considered a man or a woman?
That's gender. So they can identify as either, but if its a medical thing involving their genitalia, they'd be helping everyone including themselves out if they said male or female. But if you're tricking someone into thinking you have female genitalia when you don't, that's not cool because then someone is exposing their junk to you without your consent and that's a crime. I mean if it gets to that point.
Its not even restricted to genitalia really. I think that males can have blood transfusions from women who have been pregnant?
Some symptoms are different for men and women. Some medicines also don't work as effectively for men and as they do for women.
Personally I dont know what's wrong with saying you are trans. Its almost like its a movement to erase this state of being as if its something to be embarrassed about.
I haven't landed on what exactly I think about the whole thing. I mostly think it's none of my business and I want to make room for people to be. I see the same thing you just said in the way people have started treating the issue lately. Like now we need to cram everyone into one of the agreed-upon sexes while at the same time enumerating unlimited gender identities. Why? Why can't people just be as they are born?click to expand
I agree. Allow each person to be who they are without restricting them to out dated gender roles. Dress how you want, love who you want, live how you want.
Posted by Dread_Pirate_Phanta
It's hard for me to believe this actually happened. It sounds like a mean fantasy of what happens when transgendered people date online.
Every trans individual I've come across online has stated they are trans in their bio.
Posted by HypnotoadPosted by IxiPosted by HypnotoadPosted by IxiPosted by HypnotoadPosted by IxiPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by pinkbird03
I saw a similar scenario unfold on a Snapchat mini tv episode. I think itâs very uncomfortable for them to share this information because they know many people will turn them down. They do want to tell you, just one of the hardest things for them to do.
Of course I will turn them down if I've already stated my sexual orientation in my profile. That's why I wonder how they can operate on such deep level of self deception.. Am I suppose to sympathize here?
I mean we're not talking about lying of your marital status or your place of work, we're talking about whether or not you're a man or woman.
And I'm not buying into that other stuff either. I'm not their father or best friend they need to do a gender-reveal to.. At that point I'm a stranger whose feelings they shouldn't give two fucks about.
Gender and sex are not the same things. Your sexual orientation doesn't preclude you from a relationship (sexual or otherwise) with a trans-woman.
Lol
What are you laughing at?
My sexual orientation is heterosexual, which means I am attracted to biological women. Therefore precluding me from a relationship with a trans woman, because her biological sex is male. Because gender and sex are not the same thing.
The literature is pretty clear on this when it comes to orientation... A personâs emotional, physical, and sexual attraction to other people of a certain gender and gender expression and the expression of that attraction is what constitutes your sexual orientation (which is yet again different from sex). The biological origins of your object of affection are not taken into account when we talk about sexual orientation.
With that being said yet again there is nothing wrong stating you would not consent to a relationship with a transperson for reasons relating to their lack of anatomically female traits...there are reasons why that is so that are well founded...you don't have to create piss poor ones if all you want to say is you don't want to date a trans-person.
I will ignore the laughter from you on this.
Nah pretty sure my sexual orientation is based on biological sex, not gender.click to expand
Are you attracted to someone before or after you check to see if they have a penis?
Posted by Dread_Pirate_Phanta
I had a gay friend who catfished a lot of people. She revealed this about herself to me sort of on a whim when she was drunk, and I don't think she expected me to be as upset about it as I was. She posed as a man online and had intimate relationships with women who believed they would meet "him" some day when she knew full well it was just a game to her, and she was juggling a lot of them. That is very, very wrong, and not just because she hid her gender.
Boys Don't Cry comes to life.
Posted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeebPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeebPosted by IxiPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by CoffeeAndCream
Why is it a big deal if a "woman" with a penis hits on you? as long as they aint raping you, why does it matter...
Aside from the deception aspect ?
Because they are wasting my time and theirs. If I'm on Tinder it's pretty obvious what I'm looking for and it's not a male best friend. lol
Nowhere did I state there's anything wrong with a dude hitting on me provided there's no misinformation or pretence.
I think the issue here is that you won't accept the idea that Trans women are women. Because of that you view their attempts to court you as being deceptive.
What fuels that belief, that trans-persons, trans-women in particular, are lying somehow to you?
As a biologically born female, why should I allow someone to call me cis gendered woman, just because they feel like changing it to make a group of people feel better about themselves?
Why are they allowed to change the name of their gender but I'm not allowed to keep my original one?
All cis means is that your gender fits the assigned sex at birth. Is that incorrect for you?
No it's not, all I know is I'm a woman, and I don't wanna be called cis gender because someone else wants to change that so it can fit them.
Do you know what âcisâ means? That little bit just means âsame as assignedâ essentially.
Language is in a constant state of evolution, it doesnât exist for your feelings, it exists for description and communication of ideas.
You aren't "assigned" anything. Unless you are intersex, then you are clearly either male or female at birth (and even before birth).
Doublespeak in two sentences.
Or are you talking about God?
Assigned implies a decision is made. You are biologically male or female based on biological features. Unless you are saying God assigned those features to a body, no one assigns those features.
Unless you are saying sex does not exist for any creature at all. There are no male dogs, or female giraffes, or male sheep and we cannot tell which animal is female and which is male.click to expand
Birth certificates don't magically fill themselves out.
Posted by IxiPosted by LibraSupremePosted by Krabss
Dating in 21ct, paper proving no stds, dna analysis and rona negative. Lol!
Seriously agree. Also If OP stop trying to date online the situation wouldn't be so problematic I'm sure. Hint Hint
Lol+
I think that maybe we should just ask folks to give us their best proposals as to how to "fix" this situation.click to expand
Ban clothing. Problem solved.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by dillweed
god why do people care so much about how people identify?
who tf cares. plenty of catfish in the sea for yâalls dumbasses.
have the interaction, move on to the next. no need to be a fucking asshole about how someone expresses themselves.
Cuz being attracted to them makes them question their sexuality and they get mad when they put energy into catching this person that turns out to be off limits due to societal pressure and they have to deal with the inner conflict of being a real man versus the reality that all the categories are bullshit to try to keep people in boxes based mostly on garbage written over a thousand years ago by who knows what dumb man.
Trans and non-binary people are as natural as anything else in this world and have been dated back to pre-history but letâs ignore that. đ
.this is just ridiculous analysis
you're talking to a woman on zoom- she shows her creamy white thighs under her pretty dress
you're masturbating loving it asking her to show you her stuff
she uncross her legs caressing herself
slowly raises her dress
your getting hot now
and right there staring back at you is an ugly hairy penis
that can be traumatizingclick to expand
She'd shave it.
Posted by dOpehEadPosted by jeanePosted by dOpehEadPosted by IxiPosted by dOpehEadPosted by IxiPosted by dOpehEadPosted by IxiPosted by dOpehEadPosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiYou're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings.
And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.
TERF is an academic descriptive term and one that isn't exactly a slur but it is mostly seen as denigrating, you should expect a fight if you did call a person in the feminist movement a TERF (whether they earned the moniker or not) due to current common usage of the term.
With the above being said....without greater context as to what these women are saying to trans-rights activists and why I wouldn't be able to make a call either way. Not every criticism about how the movement conducts is business is inherently transphobic or anti-trans.
I will more generally say that the efforts by some radical feminists groups to exclude trans-women from the protection and support of the larger feminist movement could absolutely be considered transphobic.
To expect women to make way or fight for the rights for males (ie transwomen) could be considered misogynistic.
Very few women would say that transwomen should be without support or rights or the freedom to live their lives without violence but they are not entitled to their own facts based on their feelings.
They are not males though. They are women or are you disputing that?
They are biological males. Or are you saying they are biological women?
You're arguing that trans-women who have transitioned are men? Am I understanding you correctly?
I'm saying transwomen are biologically male. Are you saying they are biologically female?
Would you consider yourself a feminist?
So you've not answered my question twice now. Interesting.
I have answered your question earlier in the thread, just not directly to you.
I've already stated that they are not Cis-gendered women.
But your saying they are men, they are not. That premise would be incorrect once they are out and have transitioned their gender expression.
Male and female are not gender expressions. They're anatomical words used to describe the sex of your reproductive organs.
Well actually they are in a sense...anatomical. Yes.
But I didn't equate male and female to gender expression.
You said she wasn't male, but she is if she still has a penis. Was just clarifying that, is all. No further comments on the subject.
No she has a male sexual organ, but she isn't male. Hence the denotion of a her being a she at all.
You tried it though.
What? She is a gender pronoun. Basically we don't disagree.
We may, we may not.
I'm not sure.
Let's do a litmus test.
Do you believe that someone who is a trans-woman and hasn't transitioned sexually is considered a man or a woman?
That's gender. So they can identify as either, but if its a medical thing involving their genitalia, they'd be helping everyone including themselves out if they said male or female. But if you're tricking someone into thinking you have female genitalia when you don't, that's not cool because then someone is exposing their junk to you without your consent and that's a crime. I mean if it gets to that point.
Its not even restricted to genitalia really. I think that males can have blood transfusions from women who have been pregnant?
Some symptoms are different for men and women. Some medicines also don't work as effectively for men and as they do for women.
Personally I dont know what's wrong with saying you are trans. Its almost like its a movement to erase this state of being as if its something to be embarrassed about.
I imagine they probably do get a lot of insults thrown their way which would make me scared to introduce myself that way because in the current social climate, people's reactions will be unpredictable. What medications? I'm sure there are other medical reasons. Thats interesting, I imagine the blood transfusion has something to do with the conflicting blood type of the baby that fucks the mother all up lol but idk. I know that if you get pregnant with a male it changes not only your plasma chemistry but also your brain chemistry.click to expand
Yeah I can appreciate in the current climate, its not always inviting which is shameful.
Here's a link about the meds
https://www.everydayhealth.com/news/drugs-work-differently-woman-than-man/
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by jeanePosted by CoffeeAndCream
what is CIS?
Its when your biological sex is the same as your gender identity. Crudely put, not-trans.
Many women rally against the term because it implies a rigid notion of what it is to be "female" or "male".
Anways I'm not buying into what a minority wantsclick to expand
Interesting..
Posted by dOpehEadPosted by hydorahPosted by IxiPosted by hydorah
Olympic mental gymnastics championship
Apply here
Complexity isn't scary for some of us.
Reciting pre-made political argumentation and maintaining a cargo cult around academia is complexity all right, but not the good kind.
Wow what a pisces opinion. So opposite of virgo right now. What's the good kind? Should everyone just do drugs and say random shit they wont remember later?click to expand
Do you really think pisces are the most into drugs? because that's the most misleading astrological cliche ever invented
Posted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by Dread_Pirate_Phanta
It's hard for me to believe this actually happened. It sounds like a mean fantasy of what happens when transgendered people date online.
It happens all the time and then the âcisâ men decide to murder them for their embarrassment. Thatâs why trans/non binary people have much higher murder rates.
I very much doubt that this scenario happens all the time. The trans people I know have talked about their difficulties with online dating, and it's all about the confusing hoops they jump through to make sure people know exactly what they're getting.
https://www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-trans-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2020
I know there is a lot of violence directed at transwomen. Did all of the people in this article trick someone online then meet up and get killed for that specific situation? I don't think so.
I donât think anyone is trying to trick anyone but thatâs how it gets interpreted. Obviously more of those violent situations happen during in person contact which isnât really going down as much right now.
If you tell someone they're getting a vagina when you have a dick, that is tricking them.
I'll take it further
it's tricking them if you're not giving full disclosure even if you snipped your part
it doesn't matter who you think you are I don't have to accept you for myself just because you believe a b c
I can see why someone would keep that to themselves for casual dating. It seems like pretty crucial information if you're planning to get serious.click to expand
Not quite the same.. but I at one point was confused as to when I should inform women I was dating that I am a bisexual man. A lot of women take offense when you don't inform them right away that you've had sex with men.
Posted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by _DazedPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by Dread_Pirate_Phanta
It's hard for me to believe this actually happened. It sounds like a mean fantasy of what happens when transgendered people date online.
It happens all the time and then the âcisâ men decide to murder them for their embarrassment. Thatâs why trans/non binary people have much higher murder rates.
I very much doubt that this scenario happens all the time. The trans people I know have talked about their difficulties with online dating, and it's all about the confusing hoops they jump through to make sure people know exactly what they're getting.
https://www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-trans-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2020
I know there is a lot of violence directed at transwomen. Did all of the people in this article trick someone online then meet up and get killed for that specific situation? I don't think so.
I donât think anyone is trying to trick anyone but thatâs how it gets interpreted. Obviously more of those violent situations happen during in person contact which isnât really going down as much right now.
If you tell someone they're getting a vagina when you have a dick, that is tricking them.
I'll take it further
it's tricking them if you're not giving full disclosure even if you snipped your part
it doesn't matter who you think you are I don't have to accept you for myself just because you believe a b c
I can see why someone would keep that to themselves for casual dating. It seems like pretty crucial information if you're planning to get serious.
Not quite the same.. but I at one point was confused as to when I should inform women I was dating that I am a bisexual man. A lot of women take offense when you don't inform them right away that you've had sex with men.
It sounds like you've made a choice about that now? I can see why it's a minefield. Women seem less homophobic than men until this topic comes up.click to expand
I put it in my bios, yes.
Posted by dOpehEadPosted by hydorahPosted by dOpehEadPosted by hydorahPosted by IxiPosted by hydorah
Olympic mental gymnastics championship
Apply here
Complexity isn't scary for some of us.
Reciting pre-made political argumentation and maintaining a cargo cult around academia is complexity all right, but not the good kind.
Wow what a pisces opinion. So opposite of virgo right now. What's the good kind? Should everyone just do drugs and say random shit they wont remember later?
Do you really think pisces are the most into drugs? because that's the most misleading astrological cliche ever invented
Idk any pisces. Its always been the sign I know least of in my life. I don't even know if we should be talking right now. It might be interfering with my life path. What's the good kind?click to expand
First step is to use simple logic. Aristotelian or otherwise, as long as it's sound.
Second step is to question everything. Logic bases itself on premises that escape logic. Truth bricks. Find the fault and negate every truth brick as much as you can. Just imagine how they can be wrong, turn things on their head. Each premise can exist on a dual or even multiple state of reality. Once you've identified all the different states that a truth can exist in, and all the logical combinations between each other, you are in possession of a great catalogue. It's like a beautiful piano on which you can compose your symphonies.
Academia is a tool, not a cult.
Every symphony is as flawed as an existence and destined to die on its own. But in the end a lot of them converge toward the same conclusion and reinforce each other's validity.
There is not a lot of validity to the claim that transgenders are not just mentally ill and that we should inject new genders into our societies and ways of life.
okay I'm done wasting time with DXP for today
Now look at that:
The Hotdogger has cutting edges designed to drill a hole in a bun, rather than cutting it with a knife
Now look at that:
The Hotdogger has cutting edges designed to drill a hole in a bun, rather than cutting it with a knife
Posted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?click to expand
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
Posted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.click to expand
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?
Posted by Moon_RiverPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when these people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
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You are so butt hurt.click to expand
hey, that's a great response.
Posted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?click to expand
same on the flip side. transmen are not men. they are female.
but they are also not invading men's protected spaces to assault men.
Posted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?
same on the flip side. transmen are not men. they are female.
but they are also not invading men's protected spaces to assault men.click to expand
But they have an advantage in sports do to hormone therapy.
Posted by Moon_RiverPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when these people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
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You are so butt hurt.
hey, that's a great response.
Too busy to respond fully but people used to think cis women were below animals on the great chain of being and would be horrified at the idea of us voting.
I guess process only matters when itâs for yourself.click to expand
i think transwomen should have equal rights. that doesn't mean that transwomen should have more rights than women. it also doesn't mean that women can be erased to make room for transwomen. it doesn't mean that transrights activists have the right to threaten or be violent to women. i am not going to stand aside and put the feelings of males above my own.
you can call it butt hurt but when women are intimidated at work, in the street or online because they say that transwomen are biologically men then for me that's important to say i am with them.
Posted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?
same on the flip side. transmen are not men. they are female.
but they are also not invading men's protected spaces to assault men.
But they have an advantage in sports do to hormone therapy.click to expand
no, there is no amount of testosterone that will ever make a female as strong as a male.
Posted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?
same on the flip side. transmen are not men. they are female.
but they are also not invading men's protected spaces to assault men.
But they have an advantage in sports do to hormone therapy.
no, there is no amount of testosterone that will ever make a female as strong as a male.click to expand
There are plenty of women that are stronger than men even without testosterone.
Posted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?
same on the flip side. transmen are not men. they are female.
but they are also not invading men's protected spaces to assault men.
But they have an advantage in sports do to hormone therapy.
no, there is no amount of testosterone that will ever make a female as strong as a male.
There are plenty of women that are stronger than men even without testosterone.click to expand
can you give an example of where transmen are competing with men in elite or amateur sport and have been shown to have an unfair physiological advantage?
Posted by GC11_
@ all the people trying to demonize transgenders
If you are Transphobic, that is a personal problem that you should probably sort out, instead of bashing trans people who are just trying to live a normal life.
"Living a normal life" = vagina-catfishing straight guys on dating apps and getting sour when those guys don't see a penis as a female appendage?
Thank u for your generic input. Here's another one
"Be yourself"
You have contributed nothing to my OP. Do you too think I was being mean somehow? How do you feel about "her" behaviour?
What should be the dating etiquette for these types of scenarios? Should a straight guy looking for CIS women be cool about being decieved by someone who clearly does not match his preference criteria, with the argument that a "woman" with a dick is "her personal business" and it shouldn't have to be disclosed... And on a dating app of all places! lol
Expand your argument for me. Get out of the comfort zone. Live a little.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by CoffeeAndCream
Cancre left you finally.
Good for her.
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why are you on a dating siteclick to expand
were*
And to meat bitchez
Posted by Ixi
Yes, you are a man attracted to women...that makes you straight. What you being straight doesn't do however is change the other person's sexual orientation, or gender identity.
You being straight doesn't make her less of a woman. Her being born biologically male does not preclude her from expressing her gender as a woman.
1. No, me being straight doesn't change the other person's sexual orientation or identity. Me identifying as a straight male looking for females does however strongly indicate I am looking for a CIS female. If you are unsure what "straight" and "female" means to me personally, even though I'd have probably stated that in my profile if it was something out of the ordinary , you are welcome to ask if it would be a waste of my time and yours for talking to me. That would make sense.
And what u have between your legs or what u identify as IS my business if your intent is to pursue something with someone who's not looking for what you're selling under the table. Sorry u cannot explain away with "It's his personal business" if he knows there's a huge chance he's not what I'm looking for, BIOLOGICALLY speaking.
2. Yes, it actuallt does make her less of a woman. To me. And her "feelings" about who she is will never change MY feelings just as my feelings about it won't change hers. I accept this, why can't you?
3. She can express it anyway she pleases as long as she doesn't intrude on my personal space.. which she has, when she pretended to fall into the potential mate category a "self-identifying straight male looking for female" is looking for. Are we still gonna pretend this is not disingenuous?
Like I said, if she was honest and asked I'd be cool. I mean there are self identifying "straight" males who fuck anything with a wig just as there are closet gay dudes who choose to identify as non-binary cuz for them that's easier to accept than being gay . I get it. Could have just asked me what spectrum I belonged to on the whole str8 male scale.....
Posted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeebSo trans women want to be called just women because it hurts their feelings, but hey to hell with my feelings.
This is absurd, I know the LGBT community been through a lot and I respect that, especially trans people, but they need to stop messing up with other people's identities and just accept themselves the way they are.
If you're not sure about your identity don't fuck up with mine.
No one is taking away your identity by added cis in front of your sex.click to expand
No one's taking you sense of identity by saying "you'll never be a woman in MY EYES ". It just happens to be exactly how I feel and I'm entitled to my feelings, just as you are yours. I am not taking away anything from you. You can't srsly expect you can force me to share your feelings on something so fundanental?
I didnt say you are a lesser person for it or that you dont deserve to live. That would be hate speech and none of those things is how I feel anyway.
Guys,
When women on dating apps tell you you're too short you should just state that you idenify as a tall man and when she says at 5'6 "you'll never be tall in my eyes", you should pout and call it disrespectful. lol
When women on dating apps tell you you're too short you should just state that you idenify as a tall man and when she says at 5'6 "you'll never be tall in my eyes", you should pout and call it disrespectful. lol
Posted by tiziani
I've not been in a situation when someone tried to turn me, but if someone tries it with you I have to assume it's worked for them before with other people. People go with the strategy that works best until they find something better.
I'm cool with gay, trans, etc. ppl testing the waters as long as they play it straight.. including not potentially waiting till our first date before disclosing you have a dick.
Posted by Moon_RiverPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when these people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
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You are so butt hurt.click to expand
This is starting to become a huge problem in sports, like that guy in powerlifting who decided he identifies as a woman in order to troll the social sciences piranhas. Guess what happened.... dude broke the female powerlifting record on "her" first try. lol
But your reply only indicates you are unwilling or unable to take the discussion and you are the one who's actually butthurt.
I mean social sciences folks are so determined but there are whole areas that need to be included in the discussions and those are hot potato topics you absolutely refuse to touch.
Don't you ever stop and think, "Hmm, this is pretty fucked up that I'm all pro this nd that, but I'm refusing to discuss this specific aspect bc there's not a simple black&white SJW answer. It's complicated"
So you are disingenuous and when hot potatos are thrown your way, rather than being honest that u don't have an answer to that specific problem and that it IS a problem... instead you go " U soo mad đ "
It's always social justice-y liberals that refuse to discuss sensitive things with The Opposites bc you dont want to offer "a platform for the opposite thinking" aka hate-speech,, yet all you guys do is hinder discussions that need to be had. It's just tunnel vision with you, and your response here reflects just that. You only want do discuss simple issues within any cause. When a problem comes up within any of your heart issues that requires a more nuanced reflection, your humanitarian narcissism can't handle it so you go into error mode, deflect, regress to 5 year-olds, etc. etc.
Posted by GC11_Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by GC11_
@ all the people trying to demonize transgenders
If you are Transphobic, that is a personal problem that you should probably sort out, instead of bashing trans people who are just trying to live a normal life.
"Living a normal life" = vagina-catfishing straight guys on dating apps and getting sour when those guys don't see a penis as a female appendage?
Thank u for your generic input. Here's another one
"Be yourself"
You have contributed nothing to my OP. Do you too think I was being mean somehow? How do you feel about "her" behaviour?
What should be the dating etiquette for these types of scenarios? Should a straight guy looking for CIS women be cool about being decieved by someone who clearly does not match his preference criteria, with the argument that a "woman" with a dick is "her personal business" and it shouldn't have to be disclosed... And on a dating app of all places! lol
Expand your argument for me. Get out of the comfort zone. Live a little.
I wasnât talking to you. I was talking to the people in your thread who ran with it and started showing transphobic tendencies.
I didnât say anything regarding your OP cause idc about your dating life. I rarely respond to dating/romance threads.click to expand
By your definition of transphobic, I should fit the bill aswell. Would you consider MyStarsShine transphobic?
For that matter, who was transphobic according to you? I just saw a few folks acknowledge my feelings about the situation......
Posted by GC11_Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by GC11_Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by GC11_
@ all the people trying to demonize transgenders
If you are Transphobic, that is a personal problem that you should probably sort out, instead of bashing trans people who are just trying to live a normal life.
"Living a normal life" = vagina-catfishing straight guys on dating apps and getting sour when those guys don't see a penis as a female appendage?
Thank u for your generic input. Here's another one
"Be yourself"
You have contributed nothing to my OP. Do you too think I was being mean somehow? How do you feel about "her" behaviour?
What should be the dating etiquette for these types of scenarios? Should a straight guy looking for CIS women be cool about being decieved by someone who clearly does not match his preference criteria, with the argument that a "woman" with a dick is "her personal business" and it shouldn't have to be disclosed... And on a dating app of all places! lol
Expand your argument for me. Get out of the comfort zone. Live a little.
I wasnât talking to you. I was talking to the people in your thread who ran with it and started showing transphobic tendencies.
I didnât say anything regarding your OP cause idc about your dating life. I rarely respond to dating/romance threads.
By your definition of transphobic, I should fit the bill aswell. Would you consider MyStarsShine transphobic?
For that matter, who was transphobic according to you? I just saw a few folks acknowledge my feelings about the situation......
âBy your definition of transphobic, I should fit the bill aswell.â
Then you should probably go do something about that.click to expand
How many times are you gonna change your mind whether or not I'm transphobic? Saw your deleted post lol
Posted by Aju-Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why do non-binary/gender-dysmorphic individuals feel they have the right to withold information about their real gender when pursuing a person who clearly doesn't swing that way? What is the purpose? Do they assume their personality is so irresistable I will forget I'm not attracted to the same gender?
I'm just watching MTV's Catfish and this straight girl thought she was talking to this hunk all this time.. turns out she was talking to a fat lesbian self-identifying as a dude . lol
This made me think of my Tinder days right before I lost fate in humanity.. I matched with this chick with excessive make up, like really out-of-date so I figured she's an odd duck which is always fresh..
We got into talking and she gets into dick talk almost immediately. Well that's aggressive, I thought. And she wasn't even an Aries so I immediatly figured out something was way off here. Her energy made me feel like a piece of meat.. and not in a charming way. A CIS woman no matter how blunt, has never made me feel that way lol.
Then she said something like, "I bet you have a small dick, tall guys usually do".
So I tell her she might get to find out if she can prove she's of female origin.
She replies "That's ok, I'm not desperate or anything". "And that's a weird thing to say..."
Then sends a pic and I immediately pick up "her" boney legs and the tranny make-up.
Me: "I dont mean to be disrespectful but you're clearly a dude dressed as a woman."
(This was back in the days when I bothered with manners)
Him: "Lol awkward"
Me: "Yeah I'm sorry but I'm only interested in women"
Him: "That's disrespectful"
Me: "What is? I've been nothing but respectful given the circumstance"
Him: "Calling me a dude dressed as a woman. I identify as a woman, I just happen to have been born a boy."
Me: "I can address you as such out of respect, but unless you're a CIS woman you'll never be a woman in my eyes"
Him: "That's mean"
Me: "What's mean? What entitles you to tell me how I should think and feel about it. Not like I can control that"
She-dude deletes me.
Why do non-binary/gender-dysphoric people have such a twisted sense of reality? And how can they arrogantly expect everyone to play pretend with them?
I mean it's ok if they want to try the waters and feel ya out, but to actually withold the most important thing that for most ppl enables attraction in the first place .. that's a whole new level of fucked up.
How can one be so detached from reality as to lie to themselves: "Yes, this guy totally accepts me for me. Even if he doesn't know I'm born a dude and he's straight."
I mean ppl lie or exaggerate online all the time,comes with the territory, but to actually think that you don't owe me information about your SEX when we're both looking to hook up yet are clearly not matched in that department. What goes through their so-called minds?
I'm guessing it's fear of not being accepted?
fear of not being seen as "normal" and fear of someone they love
no longer accepting them? because once you know, huge chance
you will see them as not natural, crazy,a freak, different, non love worthy, etc...
[words they have been trying to run away from for a long time...]
They are born into a world where a lot of people don't accept them
as the sex they relate to so telling you their original biological identity may
mean they must play russian roulette over and over and may even face some
form of harassment/abuse or violence from you or others so easier to say nothing??
its a terrible situation when not tolled everything though and
its a terrible situation when born into a body that is not accepted...
...everything would just be so damn chill if we all just
saw through each other eyes more ((((not just our own))))) and just empathized more...click to expand
i imagine that's a pretty fair assessment.
to play devils advocate here for a moment though, a few years ago there was a season of celebrity big brother here. in the house was courtney act, an autralian drag queen and also a transwoman called india willoughby.
now courtney was attractive to a number of men in the house when she was in drag. she spoke about how she would sleep with straight men because they were curious about her. india was not attractive to anyone in the house and she became quite upset about it. she would ask the men in the house if they would in theory sleep with her. if i remember correctly, all the men she asked said no because they still considered her somewhat male (or at the very least, not female). india became very upset about this because she said she was a woman and therefore any straight man should, in theory, consider her a potential mate.
my long winded point is...for india, it wasn't anything to do with shame or fear of disclosure but more about i see myself as a woman and so should you.
Posted by capincc
"We got into talking and she gets into dick talk almost immediately. Well that's aggressive, I thought. And she wasn't even an Aries"
Weâre not even like that đ€š
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by tiziani
I've not been in a situation when someone tried to turn me, but if someone tries it with you I have to assume it's worked for them before with other people. People go with the strategy that works best until they find something better.
I'm cool with gay, trans, etc. ppl testing the waters as long as they play it straight.. including not potentially waiting till our first date before disclosing you have a dick.click to expand
That isn't unreasonable and it's nothing to do with being transphobic, it's to do with respect and honesty. If i was talking to someone who i thought was a man because they'd presented as one, and they turned up with a vagina, I'd be fuming ...
Posted by _DazedPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by Dread_Pirate_Phanta
It's hard for me to believe this actually happened. It sounds like a mean fantasy of what happens when transgendered people date online.
It happens all the time and then the âcisâ men decide to murder them for their embarrassment. Thatâs why trans/non binary people have much higher murder rates.
I very much doubt that this scenario happens all the time. The trans people I know have talked about their difficulties with online dating, and it's all about the confusing hoops they jump through to make sure people know exactly what they're getting.
https://www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-trans-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2020
I know there is a lot of violence directed at transwomen. Did all of the people in this article trick someone online then meet up and get killed for that specific situation? I don't think so.
I donât think anyone is trying to trick anyone but thatâs how it gets interpreted. Obviously more of those violent situations happen during in person contact which isnât really going down as much right now.
If you tell someone they're getting a vagina when you have a dick, that is tricking them.
I'll take it further
it's tricking them if you're not giving full disclosure even if you snipped your part
it doesn't matter who you think you are I don't have to accept you for myself just because you believe a b c
I can see why someone would keep that to themselves for casual dating. It seems like pretty crucial information if you're planning to get serious.
A lot of women take offense when you don't inform them right away that you've had sex with men.click to expand
That's stupid.
They're bi and insecure. Ask them about the girls they've banged.
Posted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?
same on the flip side. transmen are not men. they are female.
but they are also not invading men's protected spaces to assault men.
But they have an advantage in sports do to hormone therapy.
no, there is no amount of testosterone that will ever make a female as strong as a male.
There are plenty of women that are stronger than men even without testosterone.
can you give an example of where transmen are competing with men in elite or amateur sport and have been shown to have an unfair physiological advantage?click to expand
I can do one better.. Sarah Fuller will be playing with the boys this weekend.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30401770/vanderbilt-kicker-sarah-fuller-suit-vs-missouri-saturday-make-history% 3fplatform=amp
Posted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?
same on the flip side. transmen are not men. they are female.
but they are also not invading men's protected spaces to assault men.
But they have an advantage in sports do to hormone therapy.
no, there is no amount of testosterone that will ever make a female as strong as a male.
There are plenty of women that are stronger than men even without testosterone.
can you give an example of where transmen are competing with men in elite or amateur sport and have been shown to have an unfair physiological advantage?
I can do one better.. Sarah Fuller will be playing with the boys this weekend.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30401770/vanderbilt-kicker-sarah-fuller-suit-vs-missouri-saturday-make-history% 3fplatform=ampclick to expand
but we are not talking about that. we are taking about transwomen talking awards, prizes and records away from women in a multitude of sport. transwomen, who when men, couldn't compete at an elite level against other males.
transwomen like rachel mckinnon
or laurel hubbard
or
cece tefler
show me one transman who is competing against men with an unfair physiological advantage.
Reality check for sure âïž
Social sciences dweebs be like
Social sciences dweebs be like
"Identified as a woman for 90 seconds".
Broke the female powerlifting record!
Well trolled, my good sir. đđ
Broke the female powerlifting record!
Well trolled, my good sir. đđ
Truly heartbreaking..
Posted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?
same on the flip side. transmen are not men. they are female.
but they are also not invading men's protected spaces to assault men.
But they have an advantage in sports do to hormone therapy.
no, there is no amount of testosterone that will ever make a female as strong as a male.
There are plenty of women that are stronger than men even without testosterone.
can you give an example of where transmen are competing with men in elite or amateur sport and have been shown to have an unfair physiological advantage?
I can do one better.. Sarah Fuller will be playing with the boys this weekend.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30401770/vanderbilt-kicker-sarah-fuller-suit-vs-missouri-saturday-make-history% 3fplatform=amp
but we are not talking about that. we are taking about transwomen talking awards, prizes and records away from women in a multitude of sport. transwomen, who when men, couldn't compete at an elite level against other males.
transwomen like rachel mckinnon
or laurel hubbard
or
cece tefler
show me one transman who is competing against men with an unfair physiological advantage.click to expand
You asked for transmen competing with men.
"can you give an example of where transmen are competing with men in elite or amateur sport and have been shown to have an unfair physiological advantage?"
I did you one better.. cis-woman competing with men.
Posted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?
same on the flip side. transmen are not men. they are female.
but they are also not invading men's protected spaces to assault men.
But they have an advantage in sports do to hormone therapy.
no, there is no amount of testosterone that will ever make a female as strong as a male.
There are plenty of women that are stronger than men even without testosterone.
can you give an example of where transmen are competing with men in elite or amateur sport and have been shown to have an unfair physiological advantage?
I can do one better.. Sarah Fuller will be playing with the boys this weekend.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30401770/vanderbilt-kicker-sarah-fuller-suit-vs-missouri-saturday-make-history% 3fplatform=amp
but we are not talking about that. we are taking about transwomen talking awards, prizes and records away from women in a multitude of sport. transwomen, who when men, couldn't compete at an elite level against other males.
transwomen like rachel mckinnon
or laurel hubbard
or
cece tefler
show me one transman who is competing against men with an unfair physiological advantage.
You asked for transmen competing with men.
"can you give an example of where transmen are competing with men in elite or amateur sport and have been shown to have an unfair physiological advantage?"
I did you one better.. cis-woman competing with men.click to expand
try again.
20 pages to discuss how clear deception is or isn't deception.
Engaging someone on a dating platform to seek any kind of intimacy -> you have to spell out where anything about you deviates from the norm of what people expect.
You're married? Cool, write it in your profile.
You're HIV positive? Same
You're into polyamory? Same
The burden isn't on the other person to guess and if you tell them and they opt out, you don't get to feel disrespected. I mean you get to feel whatever the fuck you want. You don't get to act as if someone is inflicting disrespect on you, trying to make them feel guilty for their failure to comply to your delusion/manipulation.
Engaging someone on a dating platform to seek any kind of intimacy -> you have to spell out where anything about you deviates from the norm of what people expect.
You're married? Cool, write it in your profile.
You're HIV positive? Same
You're into polyamory? Same
The burden isn't on the other person to guess and if you tell them and they opt out, you don't get to feel disrespected. I mean you get to feel whatever the fuck you want. You don't get to act as if someone is inflicting disrespect on you, trying to make them feel guilty for their failure to comply to your delusion/manipulation.
Posted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by _DazedPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeeb
This is what happens when we start consider trans women as women SMH
Oh noooooo and this affects your womanhood how?
Are you a MMA fighter?
it affects girls at school who try to get scholarships based on sporting ability. it affects female athletes who train hard all their lives to have males included in their division at the olympics. it affects women playing weekend rugby when a male breaks their leg in a tackle.
it doesn't affect my womanhood but it affects the definition of women when people who present as this
are proclaimed to be women. and we are told that even though alex has a beard and a penis and takes no hormonal therapy and chooses not to transition beyond having long hair and wearing a dress, we must accept that alex is the definition of a woman.
What about trans-men that are taking testosterone and have a beard/big muscles/no penis/and taped down boobs?
same on the flip side. transmen are not men. they are female.
but they are also not invading men's protected spaces to assault men.
But they have an advantage in sports do to hormone therapy.
no, there is no amount of testosterone that will ever make a female as strong as a male.
There are plenty of women that are stronger than men even without testosterone.
can you give an example of where transmen are competing with men in elite or amateur sport and have been shown to have an unfair physiological advantage?
I can do one better.. Sarah Fuller will be playing with the boys this weekend.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30401770/vanderbilt-kicker-sarah-fuller-suit-vs-missouri-saturday-make-history% 3fplatform=amp
but we are not talking about that. we are taking about transwomen talking awards, prizes and records away from women in a multitude of sport. transwomen, who when men, couldn't compete at an elite level against other males.
transwomen like rachel mckinnon
or laurel hubbard
or
cece tefler
show me one transman who is competing against men with an unfair physiological advantage.
You asked for transmen competing with men.
"can you give an example of where transmen are competing with men in elite or amateur sport and have been shown to have an unfair physiological advantage?"
I did you one better.. cis-woman competing with men.
try again.click to expand
She obviously has an unfair physiological advantage if she's beating out the men for fer position.
Posted by hydorah
That whole scene looks like a fucking circus act. Like for real, who are we kidding here?
Was it Camille Paglia that said that trans mania is a sign of cultural collapse, something that's historically cycled every X decades?
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/sam-dorman/camille-paglia-transgender-mania-symptom-cultural-collapse
âSex reassignment surgery, even today with all of its advances, cannot in fact change anyoneâs sex, okay. You can define yourself as a trans man, or a trans woman, as one of these new gradations along the scale. But ultimately, every single cell in the human body, the DNA in that cell, remains coded for your biological birth."
Thank you.
So even if u asked me if a woman transitioned to man is still a woman to me, the answer is yes. I wouldn't be sexually drawn to "him" (like I'm not to a lot of other women) but he's still a woman to me. Like that bearded porno act, what's her name? I still consider him a woman.
So theoretically, altough not attracted to any of the trans spectrums, I'd have an easier time hooking up with a female-to-male than vice versa.
And again, I don't mean disrespect but u can't change how I feel. If my feelings offend you, don't ask.
So theoretically, altough not attracted to any of the trans spectrums, I'd have an easier time hooking up with a female-to-male than vice versa.
And again, I don't mean disrespect but u can't change how I feel. If my feelings offend you, don't ask.
Or another way of putting it, I could never hit a woman-to-man but I have as little reservation about hitting a man-to-woman as I have about giving a CIS dude a good asswhoopin'. đ€·
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