Karma

We've all heard the famous sayings, "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND" or "KARMA IS A BITXH!"

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Are any of us really SURE that a person's karma will come back to bite them in the azs? After all, shouldn't we be long gone after someone hurts us in certain ways? How will we absolutely know this is true unless we've got front row seats to see their karma knocking on their front doors?!

If you believe in karma, do you think it comes back in the SAME form? For example, if someone cheats, will they be cheated on in the future? If a person stabs another person (& persay gets away with it) will they be stabbed too?

An old friend of mine told me that karma comes back around in OTHER FORMS, other than the original way you welcomed it to begin with. She believes that when people get sick, lose a job, lose a loved one, get cheated on, get lied to, or experience ANY setback or negative energy, that KARMA can be to BLAIM.

She believes that any & all the bad things that happen to us are the result of wrongdoings we've done to others (or even in some cases ourselves!----HMM, I wonder if Karma comes around when you do YOURSELF wrong!??!)

Every time someone lies to you, she'll say, "Welp, it's probably b/c you lied to someone or did someone wrong at some point in time." If someone gets in a car wreck (survival or not), she'll say, "Welp, it's probably b/c you did someone wrong at some point in time & this is your payback." Sounds CRAZY but I must admit, she had some interesting points!

We're all told that "shxt happens" & that life will automatically throw EVERYONE curve balls b/c they are supposed to in some way aid us in growing wisdom, learning from mistakes and/or getting stronger as a result. Welp, the karma theory kind of just a tad bit corrupts that theory!

I also believe in karma. Mostly because I've experienced it myself. In good and bad ways. Also, you can watch I play out with others that are close to you.

I believe karma comes back to you in similar forms that earned it. Two personal examples...

I am the type to find lost money , jewelry, wallets, cell phones and track down the person that lost it so I can return it. I can't tell you the number of times I've lost my wallet or left jewelry in public places and it ALWAYS comes back to me.

I've also been very distant in relationships. I know my boyfriends never felt as secure as they actually were with me. I wanted a lot of time by myself and I think I resisted intimacy in some ways. That's biting me in the ass right now with someone I'm crazy about. So I now know how it feels to be on the receiving end.

Posted by QLIbraMale
I'm a firm believer in Karma, Lived it, Experienced it, Survived it. 100% appreciation was born lol.

Crazy thing is, so many people don't even learn from their mistakes or past wrongdoings, even after they get their karma. They shrug it off, figure what they're going through is just a "minor setback" & keep it moving w/o even realizing that if they keep on doing as they're doing, they'll KEEP on experiencing the same ole setbacks & heartaches. Idk about you guys but I'd prefer to live a stress/heartache-free life as often & as much as possible!

If I can prevent certain setbacks from coming my way simply by doing right by others, I will AND do!

@Shadows: In the bible, it says your days are cut short when you dishonor/disobey/disrespect your parents. Well my friend believes Karma works in a similar fashion. Sounds kind of harsh & a little hard to believe but she feels that those who die (before their time---if there even is such a thing) ended up that way b/c of karma.

I can believe that karma comes back in or around the same form it was given, BUT sheeesh, to know that you can do something minor & yet your punishment be 10 times worse than what you actually did to begin with is crazy! A person can steal from someone, thus their "karma" is to end up with Cancer when they turn 50?! Wowwww

My mom told me a long time ago that when you steal from someone, you end up losing 3XS the amount you stole! I stole $ 5 once when I was in the 7th grade! I swear, I lost/dropped $ 15 of my lunch money the very next week! Some say this is sheer coincidence but man idk, that seemed to be a little TOO much of a coincidence if ya know what I mean! =P

Whoa! That is a little harsh. Not sure I can buy into the whole days cut short thing. I never really connected death to karma. Just never really thought about it.

And I totally agree...you've GOT to learn from it all. Honestly, feeling like karma is biting me in the ass now is very helpful. I feel in many ways I deserve it and its good to know how I made others feel because I really had no idea. You've GOT to learn from it and not play victim.

Hehe, I love your money story. I bet that made you think! Even as a seventh grader!

I definitely believe in Karma although maybe not to the extreme extent. I think it could come back in different ways than it was dealt out though.
Krysrenee, I try and do right by others like you and I know that really makes for good Karma and that is the best we can do.
@Shadows-I have Aquarian venus and I know it makes me seem detached or aloof in relationships and that can be a problem for the other person so I try to be aware of it and catch myself. I know I also need my independence and I hope whoever I end up with long term again can understand that. I will allow them the same so hopefully there are some men out there for us who will understand that. I think it can be a good thing that we are not all clingy and dependent though. Idk....

I hear ya, SPP. Its been hard to find someone that understands that I like and need to be alone a fair amount of time. Not with others...alone.

I didn't understand though until now that the men I've dated may not have required as much attention as the seemed to. I know now because of the position I'm in that when you get no concrete clues from someone about how they feel, a person can APPEAR very clingy, when all they really need is reassurance.

Posted by Shadows
Whoa! That is a little harsh. Not sure I can buy into the whole days cut short thing. I never really connected death to karma. Just never really thought about it.
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Hey, me neither until my friend really broke it down to me. She said our minds can only believe so much--she thinks most people stop believing in the strong power of karma the minute we realize that yes, karma CAN go all the way, meaning eye for an eye even if that means someone losing their life as a result of some past wrongdoing(s) towards others.

It sounds horrible & inconceivable, BUT I do somewhat wonder when the "karma line" stops/cuts off. Does karma even have a "Quit" button?! Meaning even karma has enough moral to not kill someone as punishment! Hmmm....

And ohhhh yes, I def. learned my lesson about stealing! I haven't stole a single penny yet!

Posted by Shadows
I hear ya, SPP. Its been hard to find someone that understands that I like and need to be alone a fair amount of time. Not with others...alone.

I didn't understand though until now that the men I've dated may not have required as much attention as the seemed to. I know now because of the position I'm in that when you get no concrete clues from someone about how they feel, a person can APPEAR very clingy, when all they really need is reassurance.

Interesting. I am the exact same way. I need alone time...just me..not me & someone else b/c I'm ditching my date/best friend for another person. No, just me. People don't seem to understand this unless they tick in the same way.

I've also heard that PEOPLE ATTRACT WHAT THEY FEAR. In other words, if a person fears opening up, intimacy, etc. they are likely to attract someone who probably can't handle someone like you! Almost like, if we fear being with someone who can't handle our need for alone time/independence, it is then that we'll probably end up attracting the 1 MF who is clingy, demanding and/or ticks the complete opposite! Ugh!

"Interesting. I am the exact same way. I need alone time...just me..not me & someone else b/c I'm ditching my date/best friend for another person. No, just me. People don't seem to understand this unless they tick in the same way."

Amen! From my experiences the issues start to arise when family/friends/co-workers seem to take my "disappearance" or lack of engaging personally. They don't understand that is has NOTHING to do with them. I have a life and interests that extend beyond them.

As for the original question.....I do believe in Karma whether it be subjective or objective Karma. I've experienced it and I've witnessed it. I do agree with that there are some people who just don't learn from their mistakes...but to THEM they don't see their actions as a mistake. It's nothing more than proving their point to the extreme AFTER those of us on the outside have already seen, accepted, and respected their reasons for doing that action and have moved on.

From my experiences, I have learned that SOME people are going to do what they are going to do REGARDLESS of what effect it may have on others OR most importantly, what effect their actions have on THEMSELVES.

@Kali: Oh man I've heard all about the "universe" & it's supposed powers. It's kind of out there, but hey I read the book, "The Secret," & I must say it was pretty intriging!!! I've also studied the LAW OF ATTRACTION.

Basically everything we say, do, think, and/or feel sends out a signal to the universe & whatever signal(s) we send, are exactly what we get back. If we're ungrateful for long periods of time, the universe acts like a boomerang & sends us the situations/circumstances/people that mirror that ungratefulness. This is why they say "We attract what we fear." When we fear things, we actually end up attracting those very things back to us b/c those things are exactly the "signal" we sent to the universe. And the universe is like a sales agent, there to supply our every need(s). If we send the signal of hatred, hatred is exactly what we receive back.

That stuff is kind of quorky but hey, alot of people believe in it. And just like astrology, I can't deny that there is a vast amount of coincidence in it!

Makes a ton of sense!

nope. i don't think karma exists. i think it's one of those concepts that makes us feel better; like a coping mechanism or the belief in a higher power. i think that we'd like to think that the "bad guy" is gonna get what's coming to them but bad things happen to us all at some point whether we're saints or not.

i think we just have to accept that bad things are going to happen to us sometimes with no rhyme or reasoning behind it. our houses may get robbed on christmas and steal our childrens' presents, we may try to better our lives but we hit obstacle after obstacle, our spouses may cheat on us and give us a raging STD even though we gave them the best of us... the list goes on. this makes us appreciate it all the more when the good things occur.

so, yeah, bad things are going to happen to those who do you wrong but so are good things. that's just how life works. we all go through a series of ups and downs.

Posted by ninjamu
nope. i don't think karma exists. i think it's one of those concepts that makes us feel better; like a coping mechanism or the belief in a higher power. i think that we'd like to think that the "bad guy" is gonna get what's coming to them but bad things happen to us all at some point whether we're saints or not. i think we just have to accept that bad things are going to happen to us sometimes with no rhyme or reasoning behind it. .

I 100% agree. See, that is why I said I only beleive in Karma to an EXTENT. I'm Christian (Baptist) so my beliefs on what will/won't happen to us during our lifetimes stems more from a religious, NOT scientific standpoint. Based on Christian religious beliefs, we will ALL eventually suffer b/c we were all born in sin, not b/c we did something wrong. Being a CHRISTian means to be Christ-like & to be Christ-like means to suffer in some ways like Christ did. (Bad things happen to BABIES too---how can we explain THOSE bad things that happen if those children haven't even had the chance to do any wrong?!)

I do believe that there is more to the ideal of karma than meets the eye, just like there is more to astrology than just horoscopes, BUT I'd also like to give some credit to God for what happens in my life and WHY they happen too. The notion that Karma is 100% so doesn't explain why alot of good things happen to bad people or vice versa. And when people who deeply believe in Karma are asked this question, their responses are bland, accompanied by a shoulder shrug. See, in order for me to place 100% confidence in any scientific ideal, ALL bases must be covered.

Like I said, I do somewhat believe in Karma, BUT not to the extent that I believe the "universe" punishes/rewards me for my actions. The mere fact that Karma has nothing to do with death leads me to believe that AH HA! There must be another force that handles such a thing =P (cough: JESUS!)

@Ninja: Ha! Alot of people don't really study karma, just like alot of people only study astrology on the surface (they think astrology goes as deep as horoscopes & ends there!)

And those who have not studied karma or fully understand it of course love to hear themselves say, "That person will get what's coming to them," even if they can't explain why they're so confident in such. I agree that alot of people use those kinds of sayings as a way to make them feel better. Almost as if them saying drives away the force in them to get revenge or punish that person personally.

People use the "karma" excuse too when they're partners have left them for someone else. They say, "He/she will get done wrong the same way," OR "Oh, his/her next will never be as good as I was to them." Well, how do we REALLY know that's true?! Alot of people who believe more in the "Scientific" than they do others, have that, "We have to see it before we believe it" attitude. Well, whether or not someone got their Karma is NOT something we can scientifically proove. An ex might get cheated on next time for OTHER reasons, vs. just b/c they screwed YOU over.

I 100% believe in Karma. I live by the 3 Fold Law. (and the Rede) http://www.controverscial.com/The% 20Three% 20Fold% 20Law.htm

Of course I also believe it can span lifetimes. Maybe this is just the lifetime you get to pay for being a total bastard in the last one. 😉

Posted by woundedbird
You only get one lifetime! You die once!

Hey I'm with ya, buttttt unfortunately one would have to believe otherwise in order to fully believe in karma.

You asked why do children die? Well, the notion though is that while a child may only be 5 in this lifetime & yet pass away or have horrible things done to them, they could've lived a horrible/sinful past life. That very same child in THIS life could've been 25 or 65+ in their past life when they incurred all their karmic debt, therefore they suffer the consequences in their current (or next) life. On a moral level, of course this sounds horrible b/c it's wired in us psychologically to not give merit or excuses for ANY bad things happening to children. BUT if you believe in karma, you learn that NO ONE is except from it, whether it's in this life or the last one.