I'm just going to hurt myself with this Sag man, right? (judge our placements)

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Ready to get massively dragged (though Sagittarius are generally sunny and friendly, so you're all going to be nice, I hope) but I'm on the verge of upending my entire life for the ghost of a glimmer of a hope of what could be. There is a *lot* at stake here for me, and I'm not even certain he'd be game, but that's how completely head over heels I am for him. I'm completely delusional in thinking there's any future here, right?

HIM

Sun Sagittarius

Moon Capricorn

Mercury Sagittarius

Venus Scorpio

Mars Sagittarius

Jupiter Leo

Saturn Virgo

Uranus Scorpio

Neptune Sagittarius

Pluto Libra

Lilith Leo

N Node Virgo

ME

Sun Cancer

Moon Pisces

Mercury Cancer

Venus Leo

Mars Cancer

Jupiter Libra

Saturn Libra

Uranus Scorpio

Neptune Sagittarius

Pluto Libra

Lilith Scorpio

N Node Leo
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Thank you for your messages so far! We're both middle aged, so it's difficult to not write this off as a midlife crisis territory. I'm not anywhere certain that he's where I am in all this, but the bond and the tension is intense and unmistakable, though under the guise of friendship.

I feel like his Cap moon adds cautiousness to his personality, and my Leo Venus gives me a small streak of unpredictability, but the Cancer vs. Sag stelliums (in matching planets, no less!) are stressing me out.
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I think it could work because he doesn't have Cancer in his chart, his Cap moon may need your style of love and I think your Pisces moon will keep him on his toes.

I have a Sag Mercury and I love how Cancer Mercuries communicate.

I think you should let him in on uprooting your life for him though. 😅

No one likes pushy surprises, especially a Sag!

Upending your life for a "ghost of a glimmer of hope" sounds reckless and intruding.
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Excellent advice, DMV and saggurl88, I agree. The smartest thing to do would be to have an open, adult conversation. I'm sure he'd tell me where he stands, or at least go off and think about it for a while and then tell me.

Unfortunately, open, adult conversations are not my specialty. Not because I can't have them, but because initiating them is too scary. If he ever asked me, I would be able to be open with him, but I don't think he's there yet, and it may never happen.

I know that if I continue to make big life changes, I have to make them for me, not for him. Getting to know him has forced me to understand that I need to do what I need to do for myself (even if it ultimately helps open space/opportunity for him in my life), and then let him approach and move away as he needs to. It has been challenging, but it feels like growth. I can be very clingy and needy, and I know that's an absolute no-go here.
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Posted by hopefulcrab
Excellent advice, DMV and saggurl88, I agree. The smartest thing to do would be to have an open, adult conversation. I'm sure he'd tell me where he stands, or at least go off and think about it for a while and then tell me.



Unfortunately, open, adult conversations are not my specialty. Not because I can't have them, but because initiating them is too scary. If he ever asked me, I would be able to be open with him, but I don't think he's there yet, and it may never happen.



I know that if I continue to make big life changes, I have to make them for me, not for him. Getting to know him has forced me to understand that I need to do what I need to do for myself (even if it ultimately helps open space/opportunity for him in my life), and then let him approach and move away as he needs to. It has been challenging, but it feels like growth. I can be very clingy and needy, and I know that's an absolute no-go here.


I'm a Sag that doesn't mind clingy and needy, I actually like it, what I don't like about Cancers is that they play the blame game.

If they are feeling a certain way, it's the other persons fault and they need to fix it or make it up to them, and they do guilt trips a lot to get their way instead of just asking. Sag is a people pleaser sign, so just ask.

Trickery or manipulation will usually back fire.

BUT

He is a man, and men need things to "fix" and problems to solve, so he may be fine with it.



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Posted by saggurl88
If they are feeling a certain way, it's the other persons fault and they need to fix it or make it up to them, and they do guilt trips a lot to get their way instead of just asking. Sag is a people pleaser sign, so just ask.

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I have one friend married to a Sag and her words were - I can't describe how many times he made me cry and he doesn't even understand why I cried😂
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Yes, that's the thing, in established relationships, I'm super clear with what I want and need, and I'm not afraid to ask for it. I know people aren't mind readers, and that you can't get hurt by what someone doesn't know. I guess I'm feeling fearful and burned, because I don't want to be in a relationship with someone who knows my feelings or opinions and disregards them because they're inconvenient. DragonSag, you're right that the only way to know is to see how he acts in practice.

This has been the strangest connection of my life so far. I'm always a little nervous when I interact with him (at least in person), while also feeling totally safe and cared for. How does that make any sense?

I also care *so much* about how he thinks of me, another first. In previous relationships, I was very much more "take me as I am, or don't". On some level it's because the stakes are higher here, but I think it's actually that I hold him in such high esteem, he's so great in so many ways that I instinctively want to measure up. I am being authentically myself with him, but he brings out the best. I just don't want him to hate the worst parts of me. 😢

He's a very strong personality, and so am I, but we're both happy when others are happy, which is nice. I feel like his Cap moon and Scorpio Venus give him his dominance, but I'm happy to let him lead in general, because so far his judgment and opinions have all been sound.
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"I feel like his Cap moon and Scorpio Venus give him his dominance, but I'm happy to let him lead in general, because so far his judgment and opinions have all been sound."

I think this is what will be the most understanding of your water placements.

You have a mix of water and fire as well, so I think you guys could work, no matter the sun sign.

He needs air in his chart and you need earth, seems like a good combination to me when you two come together.
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Posted by DMV
If you can’t speak or, write it 😉

Yes, I think one day, when the timing is right, writing will be the way to go.


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Stay grounded in the present and reality instead of getting carried away with daydreaming and potential.
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Agreed. It was more difficult in the beginning, but as of late, I've chosen to focus on what I know to be true, simple things about how I feel about him, and trying to enjoy the present, not race to an unpromised future. I've already made some significant life choices that benefit me heavily, but that also open up space for him, but if I continue down this path the decisions are going to get harder. It's hard to not be outcome dependent when every article is like Sag/Cancer - RUN!
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Posted by hopefulcrab
We're both very guarded and have complicated lives, so there's a lot unsaid on both ends. It's been interesting to feel like we've been circling each other, evaluating, for a very long time. I think it'll continue for a while more because there's so much at stake.


How do you know there’s something unsaid on his end?

How do you know he’s circling and/or evaluating?

Only deal in absolutes.
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A Sag can fall in and out of love 100 times a day. Definitely make sure the words are coming from his mouth and don't assume anything until you hear it.

Half the time we are clueless, since we don't wear our hearts on our sleeves.

Complicated lives can sometimes just be a much needed distraction, so if you want to know if he is in love or willing to risk it all for you, you should have a talk with him and let him know where you stand.
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I spent yesterday doing some reading, and I don't remember where I saw this exactly, but I think it was a Reddit comment that basically summed up what a few of you are implying.

It was along the lines of: Sag man is having fun, exploring a connection, enjoying the moment, happy to make you happy. Cancer women receive that as building something very serious and meaningful, which starts building up expectations in their mind. Then, when Sag doesn't meet those expectations, they're suddenly hurt, and the Sag is left feeling confused.

While I'd like to think his Cap moon and Scorpio Venus means he's more careful of and tuned in to my feelings than without those placements, the advice I'm mostly hearing here is reminding me that what I'm building in my mind, and what he might think he's giving me, are two totally different things.

He spends a lot of time on me, tries to make my life better and help me however he can. He's caring and protective and encouraging, and we give each other new ways of seeing the world. However, at the end of the day, I recognize that there's a possibility that if I came to him with all my secret, protected feelings, he might just be confused, thinking "I thought she was my friend and this was light and fun!"
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I’m in a relationship with a Sag Sun, Scorpio Venus, Pisces moon, Cap mercury guy. He is verrrry direct and honest about what he’s thinking and feeling and expects the same from me. I never had to guess for a second whether or how much he was interested when we first started dating. He is a typical Sag in some ways- freedom loving, believes he knows everything, etc. But trust and commitment are big for him, he doesn’t play games. Maybe because he didn’t grow up with any childhood trauma/dysfunction, his Scorpio Venus is the more evolved version of that sign, but I could see it going the other way if he had had some different life circumstances

With your situation, I would say don’t waste any more time wondering where things stand, be as direct as you can be with him and you’ll get your answers