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Cancer, Pisces, Virgo, Leo, Taurus.

Cancer gets an A-

Pisces gets A BIG FAT F - I got myself a stalkerrrrrrrrr, these astro forums a lie!!!

Virgo gets a C- there was no emotional flare for me

Leo gets a C...not enough depth

Taurus...ugh. I hate ya'll..because i love ya'll but mannnnnnnnnn

the right taurus/cancer can get this A++++++

What's been your lucky pairing?


for scorpio women

1) Virgo men

2) Pisces Men

3) Sag men

4) Leo men

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I will never touch another Pisces. Male or female. I am baffled why this pairing gets so much clout. I think Pisces' habit to live life in an extreme illusionary dream and scorpios inability to respect/tolerate that is is a broadly overlooked flaw. I have a friend who is a fishy but even she is a bit too much of a dreamer for me sometimes.

Cancer definitely would've been an A+++ if both parties are matured haha
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Cancer, Pisces, Virgo, Leo, Taurus.

Cancer gets an A-

Pisces gets A BIG FAT F - I got myself a stalkerrrrrrrrr, these astro forums a lie!!!

Virgo gets a C- there was no emotional flare for me

Leo gets a C...not enough depth

Taurus...ugh. I hate ya'll..because i love ya'll but mannnnnnnnnn

the right taurus/cancer can get this A++++++

What's been your lucky pairing?


for scorpio women

1) Virgo men

2) Pisces Men

3) Sag men

4) Leo men

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Maybe I'll revisit a Virgo. My first experience was petty boring though lol
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Posted by Ellygant

Cancer has been my fav so far. Other Scorpios second.

I attract and like leo doms a lot. Current Virgo is a leo dom.

Never met a Pisces that moved me. At best they’re cool and good convo and super chill folk but not much chemistry. At worst they’re really fucking annoying.

Most earth signs move too slow or too subtly for me. I enjoy earth energy but I do like to move quicker than the required 4 years minimum just to be official. I kid I kid.



I agree 100% . Do you have a gem moon?
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Posted by Waterbearerwearer

Scorpio women need Aqua Venus with a Fire moon.

A mutable mars would help too.

Because Scorp are very domineering the sun doesn’t matter cos Ego is squashed already.


Why oh why would a scorpio woman need aqua venus? It's almost the opposite of what scorpios are. I mean they make for good chase objects for a hunting scorpio, but they are not really interested and scorpio will be sad.
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Scorpio women need Aqua Venus with a Fire moon.

A mutable mars would help too.

Because Scorp are very domineering the sun doesn’t matter cos Ego is squashed already.


Why oh why would a scorpio woman need aqua venus? It's almost the opposite of what scorpios are. I mean they make for good chase objects for a hunting scorpio, but they are not really interested and scorpio will be sad.


Like previously stated I’ve witnessed strong lasting relationships with this pairing.

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If the scorpio have venus and mars in sag, maybe

Or maybe more than that, cuz it’s square
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Posted by starlord

Posted by Waterbearerwearer

Scorpio women need Aqua Venus with a Fire moon.

A mutable mars would help too.

Because Scorp are very domineering the sun doesn’t matter cos Ego is squashed already.


Why oh why would a scorpio woman need aqua venus? It's almost the opposite of what scorpios are. I mean they make for good chase objects for a hunting scorpio, but they are not really interested and scorpio will be sad.


Like previously stated I’ve witnessed strong lasting relationships with this pairing.




If the scorpio have venus and mars in sag, maybe

Or maybe more than that, cuz it’s square


The square is benefial when balanced with water
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Yeah, my first love was aqua venus but water dominant, very emotional person
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Posted by Silvuh

Cancer, Pisces, Virgo, Leo, Taurus.

Cancer gets an A-

Pisces gets A BIG FAT F - I got myself a stalkerrrrrrrrr, these astro forums a lie!!!

Virgo gets a C- there was no emotional flare for me

Leo gets a C...not enough depth

Taurus...ugh. I hate ya'll..because i love ya'll but mannnnnnnnnn

the right taurus/cancer can get this A++++++

What's been your lucky pairing?


Lucky pairing? According to Froggie, Virgo, Taurus, and "early/cusp" Gemini (no Fire sign; unless he has Leo as ascendant). Hmmmmmmm

🤗 cyber hugs!

Love,

Eva
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There is mythology story about zeus (the sag) that he locked out (the scorpio) in the underworld



So I think maybe scorpio should stay there alone forever 😄


😒


Hahaha



This story is my favorite 🤩
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Me too! Don't forget he dragged Persephone, the goddess depicted carrying grain into his underworld. Maybe that's why I think Scorpio/Virgo is a great match, I like being dragged into dark spaces against my will...

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Posted by ValleysofNeptune

I agree, Scorpios should stay tf away. And vice versa. Easier said than done sometimes tho. It seems very likely to get toxic eventually, and funnily enough I have a Scorpio ex who started stalking me 😄 She was convinced I was cheating on her even tho we weren’t together anymore lol. It wasn’t all bad the whole time, but it was just too much and long term I’m not big on same element relationships anyway. But they can work, also depends on more than just sun sign too


Haha naaaaw man..that's some grade A psychosis right there. But honestly she probably just couldnt let you go..felt betrayed by the loss of the bond, since you know how deep those can get.

Dont lie like you never engaged though! Lots of pride on the table so you gotta be giving us something to chase lol
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There is mythology story about zeus (the sag) that he locked out (the scorpio) in the underworld



So I think maybe scorpio should stay there alone forever 😄


Lol, can you elaborate? Are you talking about Hades?

I sometimes think a scorpion is better alone, experiencing love in may different activities, people, and projects.. if our passions are fed and we are living our purpose "the one" is a just a bonus. But maybe i speak for myself. lol
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For a Scorp Venus a Cap Venus would be a good match I think.

That way the Scorp can ramble and rage as much as they want.


Omg..haha

I have a Scorp Venus and this Pisces I just met has a cappy venus. We were talking about holistic/alt med etc. i had to pause my rambling but his legit words were "rant all you want, I love it."

This is like the best thing to hear lmaooo
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Posted by Antiochus

For a Scorp Venus a Cap Venus would be a good match I think.

That way the Scorp can ramble and rage as much as they want.


Omg..haha

I have a Scorp Venus and this Pisces I just met has a cappy venus. We were talking about holistic/alt med etc. i had to pause my rambling but his legit words were "rant all you want, I love it."

This is like the best thing to hear lmaooo
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Cancer has been my fav so far. Other Scorpios second.

I attract and like leo doms a lot. Current Virgo is a leo dom.

Never met a Pisces that moved me. At best they’re cool and good convo and super chill folk but not much chemistry. At worst they’re really fucking annoying.

Most earth signs move too slow or too subtly for me. I enjoy earth energy but I do like to move quicker than the required 4 years minimum just to be official. I kid I kid.



I agree 100% . Do you have a gem moon?


No cancer moon. I have quite a few gem good moon friends tho.
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Ah, okay. That makes sense, like-minds! 🙂
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Cancer, Pisces, Virgo, Leo, Taurus.

Cancer gets an A-

Pisces gets A BIG FAT F - I got myself a stalkerrrrrrrrr, these astro forums a lie!!!

Virgo gets a C- there was no emotional flare for me

Leo gets a C...not enough depth

Taurus...ugh. I hate ya'll..because i love ya'll but mannnnnnnnnn

the right taurus/cancer can get this A++++++

What's been your lucky pairing?


Lucky pairing? According to Froggie, Virgo, Taurus, and "early/cusp" Gemini (no Fire sign; unless he has Leo as ascendant). Hmmmmmmm

🤗 cyber hugs!

Love,

Eva
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I actually really like Taurus, the timing was off but i've had a few taurean frenemies in my time..lol and either way i definitely think the energy exchange is something worth exploring.

I am also talking to a virgo right now who has a little more spice than the last so let's see. lol
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Posted by Silvuh

Cancer, Pisces, Virgo, Leo, Taurus.

Cancer gets an A-

Pisces gets A BIG FAT F - I got myself a stalkerrrrrrrrr, these astro forums a lie!!!

Virgo gets a C- there was no emotional flare for me

Leo gets a C...not enough depth

Taurus...ugh. I hate ya'll..because i love ya'll but mannnnnnnnnn

the right taurus/cancer can get this A++++++

What's been your lucky pairing?


Dude your chemistry or lack there of with one person is not indicative of everyone within that sun sign.

I'd suggest throwing out astrology when it comes to dating.

If I had listened to astro forums I wouldn't be deliriously happy with this 'trash' gemini. You know?
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Posted by Silvuh

Cancer, Pisces, Virgo, Leo, Taurus.

Cancer gets an A-

Pisces gets A BIG FAT F - I got myself a stalkerrrrrrrrr, these astro forums a lie!!!

Virgo gets a C- there was no emotional flare for me

Leo gets a C...not enough depth

Taurus...ugh. I hate ya'll..because i love ya'll but mannnnnnnnnn

the right taurus/cancer can get this A++++++

What's been your lucky pairing?


Dude your chemistry or lack there of with one person is not indicative of everyone within that sun sign.

I'd suggest throwing out astrology when it comes to dating.

If I had listened to astro forums I wouldn't be deliriously happy with this 'trash' gemini. You know?
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Giiiiiiirl, i believe we're all intrinsically connected, a giant biotic community within the universe. Of course we are influenced by the cosmos! 🙂

But you're right it's not everything. It's a just lighthearted post lol.

I do think astrology matters but obviously the success of your relationship really depends on the people. Will trumps all.

But to just kinda suggest aspects and planetary positions don't play a factor in compatibility or how we operate as astral bodies here on earth...eh. lol

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Cancer, Pisces, Virgo, Leo, Taurus.

Cancer gets an A-

Pisces gets A BIG FAT F - I got myself a stalkerrrrrrrrr, these astro forums a lie!!!

Virgo gets a C- there was no emotional flare for me

Leo gets a C...not enough depth

Taurus...ugh. I hate ya'll..because i love ya'll but mannnnnnnnnn

the right taurus/cancer can get this A++++++

What's been your lucky pairing?


Dude your chemistry or lack there of with one person is not indicative of everyone within that sun sign.

I'd suggest throwing out astrology when it comes to dating.

If I had listened to astro forums I wouldn't be deliriously happy with this 'trash' gemini. You know?


Giiiiiiirl, i believe we're all intrinsically connected, a giant biotic community within the universe. Of course we are influenced by the cosmos! 🙂

But you're right it's not everything. It's a just lighthearted post lol.

I do think astrology matters but obviously the success of your relationship really depends on the people. Will trumps all.

But to just kinda suggest aspects and planetary positions don't play a factor in compatibility or how we operate as astral bodies here on earth...eh. lol

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I'm a huge believer in nurture over nature.

How you were raised, the examples around you, the influences in your life etc have more play into how your morals are formed than tob.
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Pisces ex went and added my friends on social media sites, messaged them about me. Asked questions about me because he was blocked and tried getting one of my closest friends to open up some sort of communication between us both.

During the time we was together it was nice, but I did notice I had sort of become their only source of happiness which I see as a red flag now. You need happiness outside of the person you're with.




Ok, did we date the same person—? This is exactly what happened to me lol

and I felt hella violated and weirded out when he would approach my friends for advice or insight after we were done..at one point i had 78+ voicemails from dude because he was blocked but would call non-stop. Lots of dependency. I think he still posts things about me to this day on his media, adn i havent returned any of his contact in about 7 months.

This was like a 3 month courtship too. Strange.
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Cancer, Pisces, Virgo, Leo, Taurus.

Cancer gets an A-

Pisces gets A BIG FAT F - I got myself a stalkerrrrrrrrr, these astro forums a lie!!!

Virgo gets a C- there was no emotional flare for me

Leo gets a C...not enough depth

Taurus...ugh. I hate ya'll..because i love ya'll but mannnnnnnnnn

the right taurus/cancer can get this A++++++

What's been your lucky pairing?


Dude your chemistry or lack there of with one person is not indicative of everyone within that sun sign.

I'd suggest throwing out astrology when it comes to dating.

If I had listened to astro forums I wouldn't be deliriously happy with this 'trash' gemini. You know?


Giiiiiiirl, i believe we're all intrinsically connected, a giant biotic community within the universe. Of course we are influenced by the cosmos! 🙂

But you're right it's not everything. It's a just lighthearted post lol.

I do think astrology matters but obviously the success of your relationship really depends on the people. Will trumps all.

But to just kinda suggest aspects and planetary positions don't play a factor in compatibility or how we operate as astral bodies here on earth...eh. lol




I'm a huge believer in nurture over nature.

How you were raised, the examples around you, the influences in your life etc have more play into how your morals are formed than tob.
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This is very true! That still ties into intrinsic belonging 🙂 this is why I feel like both go hand in hand.

But it’s refreshing to see someone here with your kind of mindset. Practical

Kind of like how we initially believed the key to health was dependent on our genetics, but we’re learning now it’s more so affected by our habits. Still, your genetic makeup is a really prominent factor. Yin and yang, the balance ☯️
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Wait ur talking to a Pisces and a Virgo ? LMFAOO how ironic. Hope it works out for u😃

I’ve been talking about how trash Scorp and Taurus men are for a min but haven’t met any that change my POV 😡



LMFAO I KNOW.

@DrinkWater set me up.

I’m staying open minded though haha, so far so good. Taurus are tricky. I hate to say it but I think 7/10 they win the battle, smh. At least the men. 😅
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For a Scorp Venus a Cap Venus would be a good match I think.

That way the Scorp can ramble and rage as much as they want.


Omg..haha

I have a Scorp Venus and this Pisces I just met has a cappy venus. We were talking about holistic/alt med etc. i had to pause my rambling but his legit words were "rant all you want, I love it."

This is like the best thing to hear lmaooo


Be warned that you might have to learn to be patient with this Venus.
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Uh oh what’s the tea 🍵 haha
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Wait ur talking to a Pisces and a Virgo ? LMFAOO how ironic. Hope it works out for u😃

I’ve been talking about how trash Scorp and Taurus men are for a min but haven’t met any that change my POV 😡

Reported.


This isn’t what it looks like💀 I can explain

Explain yourself young lady.
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Oh so you want me to EXPLAIN explain
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For a Scorp Venus a Cap Venus would be a good match I think.

That way the Scorp can ramble and rage as much as they want.


Omg..haha

I have a Scorp Venus and this Pisces I just met has a cappy venus. We were talking about holistic/alt med etc. i had to pause my rambling but his legit words were "rant all you want, I love it."

This is like the best thing to hear lmaooo


Be warned that you might have to learn to be patient with this Venus.
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Don't leave me hanging! haha
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For a Scorp Venus a Cap Venus would be a good match I think.

That way the Scorp can ramble and rage as much as they want.


Omg..haha

I have a Scorp Venus and this Pisces I just met has a cappy venus. We were talking about holistic/alt med etc. i had to pause my rambling but his legit words were "rant all you want, I love it."

This is like the best thing to hear lmaooo


Be warned that you might have to learn to be patient with this Venus.


Don't leave me hanging! haha


What?

What do you mean?
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What is it about this placement (Venus cap) you believe requires patience
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Posted by Silvuh

Posted by Antiochus

For a Scorp Venus a Cap Venus would be a good match I think.

That way the Scorp can ramble and rage as much as they want.


Omg..haha

I have a Scorp Venus and this Pisces I just met has a cappy venus. We were talking about holistic/alt med etc. i had to pause my rambling but his legit words were "rant all you want, I love it."

This is like the best thing to hear lmaooo


Be warned that you might have to learn to be patient with this Venus.


Don't leave me hanging! haha


What?

What do you mean?


What is it about this placement (Venus cap) you believe requires patience


Cap Venus is the hardest to woo. Even if everything is great they will still wait and see how things work over time.

It's just a slow build up and we usually only stick with quality people.
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Good to know!
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Posted by yellow01gt

with an attitude like that, it's no wonder you can't keep a mate. looks like you're the common denominator here as to why shit falls... stop blaming the rest of the zodiac for your problems...

just saying...

lol 😂




You’re right, my attitude and no longer wanting anything to do with the person is exactly why I “can’t keep a mate.” It’s called choice. Which I’m assuming, by your projected bitterness on the matter, has never been a luxury afforded to you. 💀 Your argument is also illogical because everyone is the common denominator in all of their relations as they’re active participants in said relations... so what flaw exactly were you poorly attempting to point out by noting the most blatant of observations? 😂

You tried 🎻
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I promise you, baby...you’re the problem. You Scorpios are and can’t own up to your shit so everyone moves on and forwards onto better.


Wtf is All this about Scorpions not owning up to their shit?! 🤔 Personally I feel like that's all I ever do....
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It’s okay, He’s been hurt..we all know what kind of scars the stinger leaves lol
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Cancer, Pisces, Virgo, Leo, Taurus.

Cancer gets an A-

Pisces gets A BIG FAT F - I got myself a stalkerrrrrrrrr, these astro forums a lie!!!

Virgo gets a C- there was no emotional flare for me

Leo gets a C...not enough depth

Taurus...ugh. I hate ya'll..because i love ya'll but mannnnnnnnnn

the right taurus/cancer can get this A++++++

What's been your lucky pairing?


lol



im cancer woman

actually, the right zodiac matching will all tell that scorpio man/cancer woman? yes...but cancer man and scorpio woman is not a great over the top match at all 😆

it can work...but its not like cancer woman.scorp guy

and even this match is not always garanteed

dated a oct scorp for three years.....horrible....began with flames

but it went out just as fast: he complained all day but didnt get up and worked on things , like job loss....health

he just sit at home...complain

very stuck in the past.....intenseee...which i need but uhhhhh i think this one had like scorp in every placement

toooooooo much...and as an cancer......if i say its too much 😆

hahahaha .....we are the zodiac of "too much" phahaha

now...this nov scorp...ooooooooooh my goshhhhhh

soooooooo different but the pulll................i know......without anyyyy thing phyical happened....this man is gonna have an inpamct on my life like no other before

i just know

he can look at me and i spin

and not just the eyes....

and i can get emo......i can overload him with my babling textmessages and he will say actually thankyou and respond to everrrry single one

ive stopped that btw hahahaha im weird i throw my worst sides and see if they stick and then im back to normal hahahahaha

he texts me on his own.....he shares with me

he even openend up about his fetisj in the bed department....and we share the same interests

and.....he never yells

i found out,......i always dated men who yell.......which i HATE....cause if you start yelling and acting like a 5 year old that has a tantrum...i shut down

cause my mom always used to yell at me.....and i hate that

and for the first time.....i met a man that is calm.....is honest.....doesnt sugarcoat but doesnt make dramaaaa

so....it really depends on their past......their other placements...age...upbringing....you name it.....

emotional bagage and...more important how they deal with it

ive seen an suicidalscorpio.....no......i almost went into depression from it.... i have met cancers...i have alot in my family....i actually dont connect with them at all

😉 so.......

dont let them fool you

cancer and scorp dont always match
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Random but is your name GoT related? lol

But yes! I can probably see that. My cancer ex was literally my BEST friend! We got a long pretty well but just naturally kind of grew apart with all of life’s troubles in the mix. But we did forge a really dope bond and he checks in sometimes but I have no desire to go back. But I think cancer and Scorpio could be a really cool, content mix if both parties are mature
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