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So I go get her, she explains that she had to put her car up or something like that, apologizes for bothering me, and I'm like, "I'm just glad you're okay..."
So I drive her home (about a 15 minute drive) .... I finally get her home, and she tries to give me a couple of bucks for gas money. I refused, said I was glad I could help, and then the question of me helping her out again on Wednesday night (when I had to be at school anyway) came up. I figured I'm at school anyway, she doesn't live THAT far from me, classes end in 2 weeks anyway, no biggie.
So, Tuesday night (when I have no classes), I settle in for the night. At mid-muthafckn-night...I get a phone call from her.
"Oh, hi...I'm...I'm (nervous laugh) I'm stranded at the school again..."
FIRST of all...why the fk is you at school if you don't have transportation to get home—
Second, why can't you explain this to your professor, and see if he can give you projects to do at home, until you get your situation straightened out??
THIRD--IT IS TUESDAY! DID I NOT SAY I DON'T GO TO CLASS ON TUESDAY??!I...was...PISSED. I flat out told her I wasn't going to be able to get her, said I hope she found a way home, and told her to be safe. She's like, "you can still help me get home tomorrow, right?" I said yes, as I'd be at the school then, and she said she'd manage for the night.
So, we get to my car and I'm asking her serious questions at this point,
"Why are you coming to school if you don't have a ride home?"
her: it's just gonna be temporary, and my professor doesn't seem understandingSo, we get to the car, I take her home...and she tells me that her fianc? wants to meet me, because he thinks it was a guy who brought her home on Monday.
I'm like, "um...okay, I'll...I'll wait out in the car..."
I hear her yelling as she's banging on the door, for him to let her in. He finally comes down, after like 2 minutes, and she says, "my friend is waiting in the car, so you can see she's not a guy..."
This...mofo...stumbled OVER to my car...SHIRTLESS, mumbling and grumbling all the way, about her not coming home the night before.
The first word that entered into my mind was "crackhead". He just looked like he was...*sigh*...(-_-) why me? Why me??
He didn't thank me for bringing her home, or anything, he just pulled back and stomped back to the house, cursing about how he's going to call the school and have the security gaurd fired for spending the night with her at the front desk, and she's yelling, "but he helped me! I would have had to sleep outside if he didn't!"
That's the condensed version .... rest assured that this Virgo woman was full of resentment because she felt taken advantage of, when in reality .... choices were always present.
There are more.
Alot more.
I'll post another one soon.
Posted by P-Angel
There are more.Alot more.
I'll post another one soon.
You fuckin' better.
I'm bored as shit!
I NEED to know the rest of what this Virgo woman said roughly 16 months ago. =D
P.S.
You make some weird promises. 😉
The girl just expected some random person to stop what they were doing to help with her fucked up issues. ..... but I don't see what the Virgo did wrong, besides be a useful person to a probable user.
But, that is the whole point.
The premise of all this is about how the Virgo often feels as though they are taken advantage of when they help another person .. and my response to this has always been same = a generous deed expects nothing in return. So, then it becomes the responsibility of the giver to discern what is being generous versus being a sucker because you don't have the gonads to say "no" when you are supposed to.
In this case in point. The Virgo woman bitches and carries on about being taken advantage of ... when in reality ...
1. the option to say no was always available, so once it became apparent to her that the other is expecting, it was the Virgo's responsibility to stop. Instead, she continued to say yes, then came in here to bitch about being taken for granted.
2. the woman offered her money for providing transportation, in which the Virgo refused .. so how did she have justification in proclaiming that she was being taken advantage of.
I know it's a weird promise.
I'm a firm believer of generosity, and give often ... my reward is in knowing I helped them.
Just like I told this Virgo lady those 18 months ago .... if you pass a street person, and as they beg for money you hand them a dollar bill, then the next time you pass by them and they stick their hand out for more money, you can't get mad at them and yell that they were unappreciative because now they are taken advantage.
Because you always had the choice to help someone or not ... and if you choose to help them, then you can't expect anything in return because if you expect anything in return, then you're not giving of the heart, you're giving for an expectation of gratitude back.
to have a big heart asks for nothing in return ... it gives of it's own free will
The reason why I made this thread was because I promised a couple people that I would prove to them that just because you give of yourself, doesn't mean you're being taken advantage of ..... IF ..... this giving was of your volition to do because you cared to help.
Lol..
I think P-Angel is trying to understand herself through debates with her opposite sign..
and maybe help CLCNY with some issues she believes she is having..
P-Angel, ever thought of getting some certificate in counselling? Your thoughts/opinions can then be projected better and be received better as well...
She was expecting gratitude in return.
Only pasted the deed here of where she gave (by choice), I didn't paste her tirade where she was venting about being used and taken for granted.
1. First favor she did - she didn't expect anything.
2. Second request when the girl called her at midnight - she expected the girl to have common sense and not bother her at inappropriate hours, so she refused the request and didn't do anything.
3. Third time she dropped the girl off on Thursday, as promised - she didn't expect anything in return.
4. After all of this, she realizes the girl is a leech and no amount of good deed or assistance will be enough.. The only thing she expected was to be left alone.
So, how was she expecting something in return from that girl?
It seems to me that she didn't expect anything that any decent, civil, human being didn't expect. Just like how anyone expects a gratitude when you open the door for another, or how you expect goid table manners, and we expect appreciation if we've sacrificed ourselves in one or another; we are social creatures and there needs to be a level of mutual respect, understanding, laws, and expectations in order to coexist. You're describing generosity like we're animals - without thought or feelings... As a matter of fact, even a dog expects love and praise and treats when they've done something good.
Loving another person is the ultimate generous deed... So you tell me you don't "expect" your husband to love you back or be monogamous because your generosity is ABSOLUTELY that pure.
BULL*HIT.
I think all of us (minus p-angel) had totally forgotten about this discussion, though she may not realize the whole thing is still only a huge deal to her. *Shakes head*
1. Don't give your number to strung-out, jobless crack-hos from class.
2. Always take the gas money.
What I don't understand is the hypocrisity.
You are only a generous person in whole, not in parts -- if you are generous, you are also kind, you are also considerate... These are all attributes a generous person endows.
I just want to understand how you claim you are ABSOLUTELY generous, but You lack the kindness to not vindictively attack people and try to insult them in here, and worse yet, you inconsiderately neglect their feelings and go out of your way to bully them.
It's embarrassing to boast about your half-ass self.
Grow up, really.
Posted by P-Angel
I know it's a weird promise.I'm a firm believer of generosity, and give often ... my reward is in knowing I helped them.
Just like I told this Virgo lady those 18 months ago .... if you pass a street person, and as they beg for money you hand them a dollar bill, then the next time you pass by them and they stick their hand out for more money, you can't get mad at them and yell that they were unappreciative because now they are taken advantage.
Because you always had the choice to help someone or not ... and if you choose to help them, then you can't expect anything in return because if you expect anything in return, then you're not giving of the heart, you're giving for an expectation of gratitude back.
to have a big heart asks for nothing in return ... it gives of it's own free will
The reason why I made this thread was because I promised a couple people that I would prove to them that just because you give of yourself, doesn't mean you're being taken advantage of ..... IF ..... this giving was of your volition to do because you cared to help.
Yea I get it. Virgo women dont have the guts to say no to people. That is true. However, if I give a homeless person on the street a dollar bill, I don't want to expect that mother fucker to ask me again tomorrow. That is just being inconsiderate, .
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-Falls off a cloud-
P-Angel you are quite hilarious.
I believe you have some serious issues within yourself and with your Virgo husband that you continue to attack Virgos here on this thread.
Like I have told you before we are not your husband if he is an unapprecative asshole then thats him.
As I have stated before no matter what the sign is if you are continuously being kind hearted and helping someone you would like appreciation for it. This doesn't mean EXPECT IT, and it does mean even a THANK YOU, it merely means a feeling of gratitute and happiness because you have helped someone. Something you feel within yourself, that you automatically feel when you have helped someone who was/is in need. Everyone deserves to feel good about who they help, not remorseful of it.
The fault I do believe Virgos have is that they find it hard to say no to someone who is asking for assistance, like I have told friends before they need to know when they are HELPING or ENABLING someone.
HELPING is doing for someone who is unable to do for themselves, and not consistently.
ENABLING is doing for someone who is capable of doing for themselves
- Someone who abuses someone who they know will consistently help them because they've helped them before
- the biggest one getting someone out of a BIND they put themselves in, I.E. giving someone money who gambles all of theirs away
Partly yes it is the Virgos fault for naturally being a helper and servicer and wanting to do just that, HOWEVER, it is also the fault of those who use and abuse their kindness.
If a person knows how nice someone is, and knows that no matter what if they call them they will help out that is using them, that is not just the NICE persons fault it is also the fault of the taker because they KNOW how kind hearted the individual is and they TOO can say NO.
So for you to sit here and make a thread just to try and prove that ALL Virgo's just have issues with needing someone to appreciate them and EXPECT something from it everytime is so childish. The fact you try to make all Virgo's feel like shit for helping in the first place is BULLSHIT. Virgo's criticize themselves and analyze themselves ENOUGH, we don't need a bitter bruised beaten Pieces who clearly has inner issues within herself from her Virgo husband faults to REMIND us.
A Virgo's biggest problem when it comes to giving is who they choose and knowing when to STOP.
I only pasted the deed of generosity, and didn't post the entire thread ..... the thread that was made by the Virgo girl to whimper and carry on about being taken for granted.
I will post links, should you decide to get what I was referring to.
Don't read it if you choose not to ... I don't care either way.
this thread was made for a couple people in particular, they know who they are ....
A Virgos problem is saying yes when they want to say no. Complaining about it afterward makes me question there sanity then I chalk it up to being a character trait and love them all the same.
having those discussions in 2011, Tubby chimed in with her pearls of wisdom .. below are a couple quotes that have always stood out in my mind ..
the problem is that if you give and give and give by nature, you invariably will feel used. here you are being kind and here this jerk is not appreciating your gift/lengths you went to.
the irony in virgos is that they equate ANY defense to a valid defense.
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-Opens the Skits-
People don't like being taken for granted. It's not about generosity. It's about setting boundaries.
As nice as it'd be to make those boundaries more explicit, doing so often leads to unnecessary confrontations. Sometimes you just need to be able to take a hint. Rely on your social intelligence. : )
Posted by ArticleL
A Virgos problem is saying yes when they want to say no.
I agree with this half way, I agree they say yes sometimes when they want to say no but not the fact that its a problem.
Complaining about it afterward makes me question there sanity then I chalk it up to being a character trait and love them all the same.
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I don't agree with this at all. It's called service before self. The ONLY time I have ever seen a genuinely good servicing Virgo who wants to help someone complain about service before self is when they are taken advantage of.
I find it quite sickening that someone would make an act of kindness and a GOOD trait to have a BAD one.
The fact you generalize and stereotype the Virgo sign as a whole based off of these FEW Virgos you've had issues with is just plain ignorant and simple minded.
There are some FUCKED UP PEOPLE, some of them are Virgos who very well may be ENABLING and then complaining but more than likely its because they have ENABLED non-stop all of their lives and have been fucked over and used.
Most young Virgos, still have the mindset servicing and helping is a good thing. It's the older ones who did some not so wise choosing who have that ALL I DO IS HELP ALL THEY DO IS USE mentality.
This is not just a Virgo thing although you are making it out to be that way, I know plenty of other signs who ENABLE someone and then complain when they have been used. Don't pinpoint a SIGN, this is a human characteristic. NO ONE wants to be used.
Last thing, People come on here to VENT about relationships, life, food, and other issues all the DAMN time, Scroll through the signs forums and realize really quick EVERYONE does it. Users who come and then disappear, If you have such an issue with Virgo's/Other signs complaining [I call it VENTING but whatever floats your boat] about being hurt and used after helping someone. Stay the hell out of the threads, no one is forcing you to listen/read their story. =] and I mean this in the nicest way possible.
-Sighs-
Gimmie a sec God.
-Picks out a Skittle called patience, tolerance, and attention span and begins to write-
The fact you generalize and stereotype the Virgo sign as a whole based off of these FEW Virgos you've had issues with is just plain ignorant and simple minded.
Minority and majority was never stated therefore generalizations of a whole isnt around.
Posted by ArticleL
A Virgos problem is saying yes when they want to say no.Complaining about it afterward makes me question there sanity then I chalk it up to being a character trait and love them all the same.
I don't agree with this at all. It's called service before self. The ONLY time I have ever seen a genuinely good servicing Virgo who wants to help someone complain about service before self is when they are taken advantage of.
click to expandHmmmm the only time I've seen them complain is when they let there self be taken advantage of then get butthurt.
No majority or minority has been stated for future misunderstood references.
Also>>>>> I agree with this half way, I agree they say yes sometimes when they want to say no but not the fact that its a problem.
Explain this—?
Quoting is having dinner with zombies again dont quote it just response to my responses.
Explain it I did, its called Service before Self Article.
It's when one does something instead of thinking about themselves, its not insanity it's being unselfish.
I was talking about that sentence nvm.
Did you get the generalization thing clearly—
Your quoting sucked -- I didn't feel like deciphering it earlier, but I just did because you asked the generalization question.
you said the only time you see them complain is when "THEY LET THEMSELVES" get taken advantage of and then get butthurt.
You make it seem like a Virgo says hey this person is going to take advantage of me and use me but let me go ahead and let them anyways and then they get mad. A Virgo gets "butthurt" as you say because they help someone believing the person WONT use them and when they do FUCK Yes they get upset. No one helps someone with the belief the person is going to use them, that is proposterous.
Virgos will say yes I will drive you to the store, when in their mind they are thinking I was suppose to go to the gym. However, the service before self in them will compromise because they think of others before themselves but I dont think that makes it a problem (You said "A Virgos Problem") I think it makes them unselfish.
Both you and P-Angel have on more than one occasion (the one i just stated above and others) used the term "Virgos" which generalizes the sign. If you feel certain people are this way, then you should say CLCNY30 or lately the Virgos I've dealt with or tom dick and hairy. Instead you say VIRGOS, which lumps them into one group, its a broad statement otherwise known as a generalization because you don't say who you are specifically speaking about.
Anywho, your corrupt way of thinking about Virgos, is you and P-Angel's to deal with.
But I will speak on anything I disagree with, no matter what.
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This was from April 2011 ....