Trying to understand Transgender (Page 4)

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Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

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That’s just a regular girl

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What's the issue though?

Nothing baby, just go back to sleep honey.

dead.... not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone but that just made me laugh... lmao

I still don't. He claims he's not transphobic but had a list of questions. What's the actual issue? Nobody's pushing a preference.

I could be wrong but...i think the issue is that OP obviously has a preference for natural women (period) but is concerned that him speaking out on that would be viewed as transphobic. Perhaps he wants to live his truth without being judged as an unfair person....

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Wow!! I’m floored, nail hit on the head. You are very wise.

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Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.

i think what you are describing is that you are super straight

Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.

Trans seem to think other wise tho?

well the consensus (on the us side at least) is that transwomen are women and therefore being straight and attracted to women, you would be attracted to transwomen as well.

Well, News Flash Buddy! Their NOT. and I’m definitely Not.

And the confusion is that this consensus is only true in Trans community and SOME of the LGBTQ+ community. But in honesty close to 280 million out of nearly 300 million people in the U.S do not believe this consensus. I’m just being real. Anybody is free to think, believe, feel and identify as they want but that doesn’t mean I have to agree. Because I’m free to be a free thinker too.

so you could be attracted to a transman?

Nope, not by physical features, but I have no problem with beating that pussy up. Because no matter how they see themselves a TransMan is a BIOLOGICAL women. Sex parts and all. So naturally I would be pulled by a physical force even if it wasn’t attraction if reason snd opportunity was present.

what about a transwomen after she has had surgery? she has a pussy. you couldn't "beat that up"?

Honestly No, but I’d be more respectful with pro nouns they and maybe her.

How would you know the difference between a post-surgery trans woman and a cis-woman? Or do you insist on knowing a woman's history to determine if they are cis-woman or not?

If they were born male parts then yes. I would want to know that immediately. Simple isn’t it.

So you go to every woman, both cis-woman and trans woman, and ask if they were born male?

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No. I don’t have too. In 97% of the time I can I.D a trans person immediately before or after meeting them.

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Would you say you’re Super Straight

Straight, super straight, Superman straight, straight straight, str8

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Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.

i think what you are describing is that you are super straight

Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.

Trans seem to think other wise tho?

It seems more like you think otherwise, no?

How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.

yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?

And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.

Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.

For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.

No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.

source?

Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.

your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.

Killed by their partners? Yes partners they don’t disclose their sex too ( again we addressed that it’s betrayal, dishonesty). And Your free to look it up. A High Majority unfortunately are due to prostitution. Which straight women are victims to as well at higher rate.

there is nothing to suggest these men were "tricked". it's just another example of male violence - against each other and against women.

but it goes to your sense that transwomen are just like women (good enough for you and others to be "tricked" so for you to refuse to date them because they are trans and nothing else is transphobic

The fact that they are trans and don’t disclose their sex is alone suggest disruptive and trickery?

And I’ll do say it this way. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts. Trans or not trans is that fair enough.

So if the person had surgery, would that still be "trickery"?

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If you hide something from someone knowing it will upset them if they knew the truth. What do you call that? Honest deception?

If I cheat on you then you should forgive me for my “unfaithful loyalty.

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Jessica Yaniv is a weirdo using the transgender movement for "her" own hidden agenda though. Most trans women shun her. Of course the right wing nut jobs were trying to use her as an 'example' at one point.

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Yes we all heard about this person? Point?

If you except the idea of man can be a real women. Then they should get all women rights too, every right women fought for, for the past 70 years. All the rights men already had. Men can now claim that title and take piece in a biologicals women’s hard work.

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Jessica Yaniv is a weirdo using the transgender movement for "her" own hidden agenda though. Most trans women shun her. Of course the right wing nut jobs were trying to use her as an 'example' at one point.

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Unless a trans woman can magically grow a vagina or manifest female-exclusive health matters, I don't see what business they'd have going to a gyno...

It's almost like a critically wounded human going to a vet instead of the ER.

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Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

Op would be fine with dating a straight woman lol

Yeah after reading until page 4, I've figured 🤣🤣

Would you be fine dating a cross dresser as long as it is a straight male? Just curious 🤪

I mentioned "in private" I wouldn't care much about role playing and how he dressed in private. Clothes don't bother me.

Interesting. I never had a guy dressing up as a woman in a role play.. but i think i would be bothered 😅

Dude I'd so be bothered... Cancer did something really annoying as a joke and it traumatized me. I'm traditional and do not like to cross the female/male sexuality lines. I'm trying to think what boundaries I'd like to have regarding societal expectations of female/male... clothes is def one of them. I would not date a cross-dresser.... how about a guy who likes to stay at home to cook/clean? Dont mind it if i have a good career but overall meh not quite a turn on. I want to date a shark. Not to say that's a female trait but just trying to think of societal claims of female/male... What else....

Ikr!! It never happened to me but I just know it's gonna turn me off big time!

🤣🤣🤣🤣 what did he do?

I dont mind guys who cook and clean, in fact i find it sexy. I'd pick them over a workaholic everytime!! 🤣

Hmmm for now all i can think of..

.cross dressing

.make up

.nail polish

.talks like a woman

.pacifist

That's all i can think of right now.

I like them manly, rough but loving, sensitive and fam oriented on the inside lmao 😄



Edit: btw are you Aneema? Ive been looking for her here lol

No love, sorry to disappoint - I'm not Aneema. 😛

Based on your list:

.cross dressing - hell no

.make up - not really ... i could understand the punk rock image or cultural eyeliner and tribal stuff but def not feminine makeup.

.nail polish - same as above.

.talks like a woman - hell no.

.pacifist - what is this??

Cancer has a feminine demeanor at times but he's ultra manly with everything else so he's kind of an interesting mix. His views and sexuality is very masculine so that helps me stay attracted to him.



UKHHH I DO NOT WANT TO DISCLOSE WHAT HE DID... but i'll just get it out..lmao.. I googled it and it looks like something guys do for fun. I know he did it to freak me out but then i just overthinking it like if he enjoys it, bla bla bla ,what does it mean but I guess its' just one of those weird guy things... ukhh ok fine... so he tucked his dick between his legs while I was trying to touch him. All i felt was a vagina-like situation and i was like eewwwwwwwww and had to use our safe word for him to untuck it immediately lmao. *ew*

HAHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣 im enjoying your struggle as youre about to tell what he did 🤣🤣 that was super funny!

I'd freak out too honestly lmao. The thing is I have a transgender friend and I'm always curious see.. so i will ask too many questions 🤪 but i know from her, that "that trick" is what she would do before she underwent her surgery to hide her bulge.. so yeah if a guy would pull that on me, i'd definitely freak out.. like "how did you know....—" 🤔🤣🤣🤣

I ended up texting aneema, turns out i still have her number 🤣 now I know who she is here 🤣🤣

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Aneema is not exactly hard to spot...



Neither is everyone else for that matter, now matter how many catfish accounts they try to hide behind.

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Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

Op would be fine with dating a straight woman lol

Yeah after reading until page 4, I've figured 🤣🤣

Would you be fine dating a cross dresser as long as it is a straight male? Just curious 🤪

I mentioned "in private" I wouldn't care much about role playing and how he dressed in private. Clothes don't bother me.

Interesting. I never had a guy dressing up as a woman in a role play.. but i think i would be bothered 😅

Dude I'd so be bothered... Cancer did something really annoying as a joke and it traumatized me. I'm traditional and do not like to cross the female/male sexuality lines. I'm trying to think what boundaries I'd like to have regarding societal expectations of female/male... clothes is def one of them. I would not date a cross-dresser.... how about a guy who likes to stay at home to cook/clean? Dont mind it if i have a good career but overall meh not quite a turn on. I want to date a shark. Not to say that's a female trait but just trying to think of societal claims of female/male... What else....

Ikr!! It never happened to me but I just know it's gonna turn me off big time!

🤣🤣🤣🤣 what did he do?

I dont mind guys who cook and clean, in fact i find it sexy. I'd pick them over a workaholic everytime!! 🤣

Hmmm for now all i can think of..

.cross dressing

.make up

.nail polish

.talks like a woman

.pacifist

That's all i can think of right now.

I like them manly, rough but loving, sensitive and fam oriented on the inside lmao 😄



Edit: btw are you Aneema? Ive been looking for her here lol

No love, sorry to disappoint - I'm not Aneema. 😛

Based on your list:

.cross dressing - hell no

.make up - not really ... i could understand the punk rock image or cultural eyeliner and tribal stuff but def not feminine makeup.

.nail polish - same as above.

.talks like a woman - hell no.

.pacifist - what is this??

Cancer has a feminine demeanor at times but he's ultra manly with everything else so he's kind of an interesting mix. His views and sexuality is very masculine so that helps me stay attracted to him.



UKHHH I DO NOT WANT TO DISCLOSE WHAT HE DID... but i'll just get it out..lmao.. I googled it and it looks like something guys do for fun. I know he did it to freak me out but then i just overthinking it like if he enjoys it, bla bla bla ,what does it mean but I guess its' just one of those weird guy things... ukhh ok fine... so he tucked his dick between his legs while I was trying to touch him. All i felt was a vagina-like situation and i was like eewwwwwwwww and had to use our safe word for him to untuck it immediately lmao. *ew*

HAHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣 im enjoying your struggle as youre about to tell what he did 🤣🤣 that was super funny!

I'd freak out too honestly lmao. The thing is I have a transgender friend and I'm always curious see.. so i will ask too many questions 🤪 but i know from her, that "that trick" is what she would do before she underwent her surgery to hide her bulge.. so yeah if a guy would pull that on me, i'd definitely freak out.. like "how did you know....—" 🤔🤣🤣🤣

I ended up texting aneema, turns out i still have her number 🤣 now I know who she is here 🤣🤣

Aneema is not exactly hard to spot...



Neither is everyone else for that matter, now matter how many catfish accounts they try to hide behind.

To my defense, it's been 3 years since I left and she hasnt been posting much since I came back 🤪

I grew impatient stalking the scorpio board and then did what a sagittarius would do and what i should've done from the beginning..ask her directly 🤣🤣

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Hey.

How is it possible for a fart to smell like chocolate and sulfur from Hell at the same time?

This was my reaction to my latest fart 2 minutes ago:

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For the consideration of those interested in actually learning about what constitutes transphobic sentiments:

https://www.gov.nl.ca/education/files/k12_safeandcaring_pdf_transphobic_cisnormative_bullying_harassment.pdf

Ok Malik Yoba.

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Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

Op would be fine with dating a straight woman lol

Yeah after reading until page 4, I've figured 🤣🤣

Would you be fine dating a cross dresser as long as it is a straight male? Just curious 🤪

I mentioned "in private" I wouldn't care much about role playing and how he dressed in private. Clothes don't bother me.

Interesting. I never had a guy dressing up as a woman in a role play.. but i think i would be bothered 😅

Dude I'd so be bothered... Cancer did something really annoying as a joke and it traumatized me. I'm traditional and do not like to cross the female/male sexuality lines. I'm trying to think what boundaries I'd like to have regarding societal expectations of female/male... clothes is def one of them. I would not date a cross-dresser.... how about a guy who likes to stay at home to cook/clean? Dont mind it if i have a good career but overall meh not quite a turn on. I want to date a shark. Not to say that's a female trait but just trying to think of societal claims of female/male... What else....

Ikr!! It never happened to me but I just know it's gonna turn me off big time!

🤣🤣🤣🤣 what did he do?

I dont mind guys who cook and clean, in fact i find it sexy. I'd pick them over a workaholic everytime!! 🤣

Hmmm for now all i can think of..

.cross dressing

.make up

.nail polish

.talks like a woman

.pacifist

That's all i can think of right now.

I like them manly, rough but loving, sensitive and fam oriented on the inside lmao 😄



Edit: btw are you Aneema? Ive been looking for her here lol

No love, sorry to disappoint - I'm not Aneema. 😛

Based on your list:

.cross dressing - hell no

.make up - not really ... i could understand the punk rock image or cultural eyeliner and tribal stuff but def not feminine makeup.

.nail polish - same as above.

.talks like a woman - hell no.

.pacifist - what is this??

Cancer has a feminine demeanor at times but he's ultra manly with everything else so he's kind of an interesting mix. His views and sexuality is very masculine so that helps me stay attracted to him.



UKHHH I DO NOT WANT TO DISCLOSE WHAT HE DID... but i'll just get it out..lmao.. I googled it and it looks like something guys do for fun. I know he did it to freak me out but then i just overthinking it like if he enjoys it, bla bla bla ,what does it mean but I guess its' just one of those weird guy things... ukhh ok fine... so he tucked his dick between his legs while I was trying to touch him. All i felt was a vagina-like situation and i was like eewwwwwwwww and had to use our safe word for him to untuck it immediately lmao. *ew*

HAHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣 im enjoying your struggle as youre about to tell what he did 🤣🤣 that was super funny!

I'd freak out too honestly lmao. The thing is I have a transgender friend and I'm always curious see.. so i will ask too many questions 🤪 but i know from her, that "that trick" is what she would do before she underwent her surgery to hide her bulge.. so yeah if a guy would pull that on me, i'd definitely freak out.. like "how did you know....—" 🤔🤣🤣🤣

I ended up texting aneema, turns out i still have her number 🤣 now I know who she is here 🤣🤣

Aneema is not exactly hard to spot...



Neither is everyone else for that matter, now matter how many catfish accounts they try to hide behind.

To my defense, it's been 3 years since I left and she hasnt been posting much since I came back 🤪

I grew impatient stalking the scorpio board and then did what a sagittarius would do and what i should've done from the beginning..ask her directly 🤣🤣

Hey.

How is it possible for a fart to smell like chocolate and sulfur from Hell at the same time?

This was my reaction to my latest fart 2 minutes ago:

How dare you make fun of that evil annoying big mouth cancer lady fainting? 🤣🤣🤣

You know i thought about it, after careful consideration, examining all plausible causes, reviewing every evidence presented. I've come to conclusion

Maybe your nose is too close to your mouth?!

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Nope.

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Why does a topic like this have 144 replies??

Let alone 16 pages. All this because of fear of transwomen who aren't even checking for them. 🙄

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People really are scared from just about anything these days.

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Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

Op would be fine with dating a straight woman lol

Yeah after reading until page 4, I've figured 🤣🤣

Would you be fine dating a cross dresser as long as it is a straight male? Just curious 🤪

I mentioned "in private" I wouldn't care much about role playing and how he dressed in private. Clothes don't bother me.

Interesting. I never had a guy dressing up as a woman in a role play.. but i think i would be bothered 😅

Dude I'd so be bothered... Cancer did something really annoying as a joke and it traumatized me. I'm traditional and do not like to cross the female/male sexuality lines. I'm trying to think what boundaries I'd like to have regarding societal expectations of female/male... clothes is def one of them. I would not date a cross-dresser.... how about a guy who likes to stay at home to cook/clean? Dont mind it if i have a good career but overall meh not quite a turn on. I want to date a shark. Not to say that's a female trait but just trying to think of societal claims of female/male... What else....

Ikr!! It never happened to me but I just know it's gonna turn me off big time!

🤣🤣🤣🤣 what did he do?

I dont mind guys who cook and clean, in fact i find it sexy. I'd pick them over a workaholic everytime!! 🤣

Hmmm for now all i can think of..

.cross dressing

.make up

.nail polish

.talks like a woman

.pacifist

That's all i can think of right now.

I like them manly, rough but loving, sensitive and fam oriented on the inside lmao 😄



Edit: btw are you Aneema? Ive been looking for her here lol

No love, sorry to disappoint - I'm not Aneema. 😛

Based on your list:

.cross dressing - hell no

.make up - not really ... i could understand the punk rock image or cultural eyeliner and tribal stuff but def not feminine makeup.

.nail polish - same as above.

.talks like a woman - hell no.

.pacifist - what is this??

Cancer has a feminine demeanor at times but he's ultra manly with everything else so he's kind of an interesting mix. His views and sexuality is very masculine so that helps me stay attracted to him.



UKHHH I DO NOT WANT TO DISCLOSE WHAT HE DID... but i'll just get it out..lmao.. I googled it and it looks like something guys do for fun. I know he did it to freak me out but then i just overthinking it like if he enjoys it, bla bla bla ,what does it mean but I guess its' just one of those weird guy things... ukhh ok fine... so he tucked his dick between his legs while I was trying to touch him. All i felt was a vagina-like situation and i was like eewwwwwwwww and had to use our safe word for him to untuck it immediately lmao. *ew*

HAHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣 im enjoying your struggle as youre about to tell what he did 🤣🤣 that was super funny!

I'd freak out too honestly lmao. The thing is I have a transgender friend and I'm always curious see.. so i will ask too many questions 🤪 but i know from her, that "that trick" is what she would do before she underwent her surgery to hide her bulge.. so yeah if a guy would pull that on me, i'd definitely freak out.. like "how did you know....—" 🤔🤣🤣🤣

I ended up texting aneema, turns out i still have her number 🤣 now I know who she is here 🤣🤣

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lolll i'm sure i'll have more stories...he's a crazy one this Cancer man.

Yeah I knew the trick from watching this one show about a crossdresser which I loved. But I was freaked out from just feeling a vagina-situation on my man! After googling it and this and that...I'm not worried but just in the moment i was super freaked out.

HAHA Glad you got to reconnect with your friend. 🙂 I've seen her name previously but don't really remember her. I think she was a Scorpio dating a Capricorn man...

This thread...not even going to waste my time anymore.

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Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.

i think what you are describing is that you are super straight

Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.

Trans seem to think other wise tho?

It seems more like you think otherwise, no?

How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.

yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?

And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.

Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.

For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.

No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.

source?

Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.

your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.

Killed by their partners? Yes partners they don’t disclose their sex too ( again we addressed that it’s betrayal, dishonesty). And Your free to look it up. A High Majority unfortunately are due to prostitution. Which straight women are victims to as well at higher rate.

there is nothing to suggest these men were "tricked". it's just another example of male violence - against each other and against women.

but it goes to your sense that transwomen are just like women (good enough for you and others to be "tricked" so for you to refuse to date them because they are trans and nothing else is transphobic

The fact that they are trans and don’t disclose their sex is alone suggest disruptive and trickery?

And I’ll do say it this way. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts. Trans or not trans is that fair enough.

So if the person had surgery, would that still be "trickery"?

If you hide something from someone knowing it will upset them if they knew the truth. What do you call that? Honest deception?

If I cheat on you then you should forgive me for my “unfaithful loyalty.

Truth isn't linear but in relation to my question, what makes it a lie?

Someone already mentioned, what makes a woman? Is it her ability to bear a child? Menstruate? Go through menopause?

Unless there are future plans on having a child, then perhaps it's an appropriate time to discuss the topic.

If I cheat on you then you should forgive me for my “unfaithful loyalty"

-That would be potentially compromising someone's health.

If you hide something from someone knowing it will upset them if they knew the truth. What do you call that? Honest deception?

-I feel that this has to do more with the ego more than a set of lie/truth.

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wait ...i'm confused. Is your point that transgender people should not have to disclose that they're transgender when dating straight people?

https://fb.watch/49WyUZrY-5/

Would I date this transgender guy, or someone like him? Maybe, but I would have to know the TRUTH about him, from the very first date. Even if he had a "dick". This person comes across as likeable and genuine, ALSO because he is open about his sex change.

It's the same as for other "secrets". For example, women going on dates with much younger men, but keeping their age a secret, until..."tA-dah...I'm 15 years older than you...come to mama"!! After all, it's the connection, the personality and looks that count, no? Errrr....not! Everything counts. And important things even more so.

Not much to understand, you're overthinking things.

Seriously speaking, these people are suffering from a form of mental illness.

Most, if not all of these types, would have been put into psychiatric care in the 60's, 70's and early 80's.

It's psychological dysfunction, just like homosexuals.

Imagine how many mentally ill people are now walking around on the streets among us, because we now tolerate all types of dysfunction, lest we be cast as "phobic" about something.

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Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.

i think what you are describing is that you are super straight

Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.

Trans seem to think other wise tho?

It seems more like you think otherwise, no?

How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.

yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?

And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.

Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.

For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.

No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.

source?

Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.

your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.

Killed by their partners? Yes partners they don’t disclose their sex too ( again we addressed that it’s betrayal, dishonesty). And Your free to look it up. A High Majority unfortunately are due to prostitution. Which straight women are victims to as well at higher rate.

there is nothing to suggest these men were "tricked". it's just another example of male violence - against each other and against women.

but it goes to your sense that transwomen are just like women (good enough for you and others to be "tricked" so for you to refuse to date them because they are trans and nothing else is transphobic

The fact that they are trans and don’t disclose their sex is alone suggest disruptive and trickery?

And I’ll do say it this way. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts. Trans or not trans is that fair enough.

So if the person had surgery, would that still be "trickery"?

If you hide something from someone knowing it will upset them if they knew the truth. What do you call that? Honest deception?

If I cheat on you then you should forgive me for my “unfaithful loyalty.

Truth isn't linear but in relation to my question, what makes it a lie?

Someone already mentioned, what makes a woman? Is it her ability to bear a child? Menstruate? Go through menopause?

Unless there are future plans on having a child, then perhaps it's an appropriate time to discuss the topic.

If I cheat on you then you should forgive me for my “unfaithful loyalty"

-That would be potentially compromising someone's health.

If you hide something from someone knowing it will upset them if they knew the truth. What do you call that? Honest deception?

-I feel that this has to do more with the ego more than a set of lie/truth.

wait ...i'm confused. Is your point that transgender people should not have to disclose that they're transgender when dating straight people?

As I said, truth isn't linear. It's not black or white.

There are so many things to consider but what it comes down to, what changes is the attraction factor. What changes? Is it the gender identity or sexual orientation?

You can be attracted to someone physically but the sex game is whack or you emotionally connect but there's no physical attraction.

So what changes in the connection is what people have to look at. If i'm trans and I believe i'm a woman, I exude feminine energy and perhaps have the parts to show for it, which is my truth. So then what changes the attraction?

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Individual perspective of yourself and what you are does not supersede biological fact that you were born as an opposite sex. Just like asking society to accept transgender folks, transgender folks would need to understand and respect that not everyone is open/attracted to dating a transgender person. You can change/modify your own perspective of yourself but you cannot force attraction onto other people. Understanding and respecting that people have sexual preferences for the type of healthy relationship they want will avoid interpersonal conflict. Respect and acceptance is a two-way street.

Just like people have the individual right to modify their sexual organs, other people have the right to know that is the person they'll get into a relationship with.

If people want acceptance and rights then they cannot hide that same thing that they're asking rights for. That is their whole identity...and to hide that conflicts with the whole movement. If someone has an issue disclosing that info before starting to date someone then i'd say they have not accepted themselves yet but are expecting others to... hypocritical.

I feel crazy for outlining what would be common sense for interpersonal and community relationships.

I honestly do not think that transgender people are asking or doing this but rather people who do not even live that life and are self-made activists who have unrealistic expectations.

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Would I date this transgender guy, or someone like him? Maybe, but I would have to know the TRUTH about him, from the very first date. Even if he had a "dick". This person comes across as likeable and genuine, ALSO because he is open about his sex change.

It's the same as for other "secrets". For example, women going on dates with much younger men, but keeping their age a secret, until..."tA-dah...I'm 15 years older than you...come to mama"!! After all, it's the connection, the personality and looks that count, no? Errrr....not! Everything counts. And important things even more so.

100% ...sex change is huge. I cannot believe there are people walking around out there thinking it's not a big deal just because in THEIR HEAD they're now a true woman/man. What's in your head does not define such a hard reality especially if you want to have healthy relationships with people who live outside of your head...

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For the consideration of those interested in actually learning about what constitutes transphobic sentiments:

https://www.gov.nl.ca/education/files/k12_safeandcaring_pdf_transphobic_cisnormative_bullying_harassment.pdf

Do they have one that constitutes straight male phobia, Bullying, Intimidation, coherency.

Or do I have to expect externally what you feel internally. But your not willing to do the same Vice versa right.

Here’s what I’m saying “NO. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts straight or Trans. There it’s not transphobic or homophobic or Straightphobic. It’s my preference.

We all can have equal rights! but that doesn’t guarantee equal outcome.

If I’m transphobic then so are 3.5 billion men. Who won’t date trans women but don’t believe they shouldn’t have equal rights either. Do you just don’t creat a label or even attempt to try and convince me other wise.

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Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.

i think what you are describing is that you are super straight

Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.

Trans seem to think other wise tho?

It seems more like you think otherwise, no?

How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.

yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?

And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.

Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.

For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.

No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.

source?

Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.

your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.

Killed by their partners? Yes partners they don’t disclose their sex too ( again we addressed that it’s betrayal, dishonesty). And Your free to look it up. A High Majority unfortunately are due to prostitution. Which straight women are victims to as well at higher rate.

there is nothing to suggest these men were "tricked". it's just another example of male violence - against each other and against women.

but it goes to your sense that transwomen are just like women (good enough for you and others to be "tricked" so for you to refuse to date them because they are trans and nothing else is transphobic

The fact that they are trans and don’t disclose their sex is alone suggest disruptive and trickery?

And I’ll do say it this way. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts. Trans or not trans is that fair enough.

So if the person had surgery, would that still be "trickery"?

If you hide something from someone knowing it will upset them if they knew the truth. What do you call that? Honest deception?

If I cheat on you then you should forgive me for my “unfaithful loyalty.

Truth isn't linear but in relation to my question, what makes it a lie?

Someone already mentioned, what makes a woman? Is it her ability to bear a child? Menstruate? Go through menopause?

Unless there are future plans on having a child, then perhaps it's an appropriate time to discuss the topic.

If I cheat on you then you should forgive me for my “unfaithful loyalty"

-That would be potentially compromising someone's health.

If you hide something from someone knowing it will upset them if they knew the truth. What do you call that? Honest deception?

-I feel that this has to do more with the ego more than a set of lie/truth.

wait ...i'm confused. Is your point that transgender people should not have to disclose that they're transgender when dating straight people?

As I said, truth isn't linear. It's not black or white.

There are so many things to consider but what it comes down to, what changes is the attraction factor. What changes? Is it the gender identity or sexual orientation?

You can be attracted to someone physically but the sex game is whack or you emotionally connect but there's no physical attraction.

So what changes in the connection is what people have to look at. If i'm trans and I believe i'm a woman, I exude feminine energy and perhaps have the parts to show for it, which is my truth. So then what changes the attraction?

Individual perspective of yourself and what you are does not supersede biological fact that you were born as an opposite sex. Just like asking society to accept transgender folks, transgender folks would need to understand and respect that not everyone is open/attracted to dating a transgender person. You can change/modify your own perspective of yourself but you cannot force attraction onto other people. Understanding and respecting that people have sexual preferences for the type of healthy relationship they want will avoid interpersonal conflict. Respect and acceptance is a two-way street.

Just like people have the individual right to modify their sexual organs, other people have the right to know that is the person they'll get into a relationship with.

If people want acceptance and rights then they cannot hide that same thing that they're asking rights for. That is their whole identity...and to hide that conflicts with the whole movement. If someone has an issue disclosing that info before starting to date someone then i'd say they have not accepted themselves yet but are expecting others to... hypocritical.

I feel crazy for outlining what would be common sense for interpersonal and community relationships.

I honestly do not think that transgender people are asking or doing this but rather people who do not even live that life and are self-made activists who have unrealistic expectations.

Is it really common sense or your own personal opinion?

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Absolutely common sense.... but I think if what i said made sense to you then you wouldn't have asked me that to begin with.

I want to hear more from transgender people and what they expect when dating straight people. I honestly do not think they're as delusional as your expectations of how dating straight people work.

Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

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Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.

i think what you are describing is that you are super straight

Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.

Trans seem to think other wise tho?

It seems more like you think otherwise, no?

How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.

yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?

And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.

Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.

For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.

No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.

source?

Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.

your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.

Killed by their partners? Yes partners they don’t disclose their sex too ( again we addressed that it’s betrayal, dishonesty). And Your free to look it up. A High Majority unfortunately are due to prostitution. Which straight women are victims to as well at higher rate.

there is nothing to suggest these men were "tricked". it's just another example of male violence - against each other and against women.

but it goes to your sense that transwomen are just like women (good enough for you and others to be "tricked" so for you to refuse to date them because they are trans and nothing else is transphobic

The fact that they are trans and don’t disclose their sex is alone suggest disruptive and trickery?

And I’ll do say it this way. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts. Trans or not trans is that fair enough.

So if the person had surgery, would that still be "trickery"?

If you hide something from someone knowing it will upset them if they knew the truth. What do you call that? Honest deception?

If I cheat on you then you should forgive me for my “unfaithful loyalty.

Truth isn't linear but in relation to my question, what makes it a lie?

Someone already mentioned, what makes a woman? Is it her ability to bear a child? Menstruate? Go through menopause?

Unless there are future plans on having a child, then perhaps it's an appropriate time to discuss the topic.

If I cheat on you then you should forgive me for my “unfaithful loyalty"

-That would be potentially compromising someone's health.

If you hide something from someone knowing it will upset them if they knew the truth. What do you call that? Honest deception?

-I feel that this has to do more with the ego more than a set of lie/truth.

wait ...i'm confused. Is your point that transgender people should not have to disclose that they're transgender when dating straight people?

As I said, truth isn't linear. It's not black or white.

There are so many things to consider but what it comes down to, what changes is the attraction factor. What changes? Is it the gender identity or sexual orientation?

You can be attracted to someone physically but the sex game is whack or you emotionally connect but there's no physical attraction.

So what changes in the connection is what people have to look at. If i'm trans and I believe i'm a woman, I exude feminine energy and perhaps have the parts to show for it, which is my truth. So then what changes the attraction?

Individual perspective of yourself and what you are does not supersede biological fact that you were born as an opposite sex. Just like asking society to accept transgender folks, transgender folks would need to understand and respect that not everyone is open/attracted to dating a transgender person. You can change/modify your own perspective of yourself but you cannot force attraction onto other people. Understanding and respecting that people have sexual preferences for the type of healthy relationship they want will avoid interpersonal conflict. Respect and acceptance is a two-way street.

Just like people have the individual right to modify their sexual organs, other people have the right to know that is the person they'll get into a relationship with.

If people want acceptance and rights then they cannot hide that same thing that they're asking rights for. That is their whole identity...and to hide that conflicts with the whole movement. If someone has an issue disclosing that info before starting to date someone then i'd say they have not accepted themselves yet but are expecting others to... hypocritical.

I feel crazy for outlining what would be common sense for interpersonal and community relationships.

I honestly do not think that transgender people are asking or doing this but rather people who do not even live that life and are self-made activists who have unrealistic expectations.

Is it really common sense or your own personal opinion?

Absolutely common sense.... but I think if what i said made sense to you then you wouldn't have asked me that to begin with.

I want to hear more from transgender people and what they expect when dating straight people. I honestly do not think they're as delusional as your expectations of how dating straight people work.

I don't understand why you attack my views. Check yourself.

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lol I don't understand why you feel attacked for your views. Check yourself.

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Would I date this transgender guy, or someone like him? Maybe, but I would have to know the TRUTH about him, from the very first date. Even if he had a "dick". This person comes across as likeable and genuine, ALSO because he is open about his sex change.

It's the same as for other "secrets". For example, women going on dates with much younger men, but keeping their age a secret, until..."tA-dah...I'm 15 years older than you...come to mama"!! After all, it's the connection, the personality and looks that count, no? Errrr....not! Everything counts. And important things even more so.

Reverse it ‘a 13 year old CHILD who looks older goes on date with a 28 year old women keeping their age a secret, until TA-Dah after sex I’m 15 years younger then you come to an Adolescent minor baby. After all it’s the connection right, personality and looks that count, no? Errr... full disclosure period.

You hide your trans and go on date with a man you risk your injury and possibly your life.

Here’s what you do:

Be honest.

Let the guy be aware of your transition

Don’t go on date sites looking for straight guys.

Date guys who are into trans. Many are out there.

You don’t discriminate, or label him. If he says No

Understand Feelings aren’t always realistic.

You have the right to be called he/she/they/them, transition, identify as your gender vs your sex. It’s your right but if you have gender dysphoria that’s an issue you have to face and deal with. It’s complicated issue you can barely understand. Don’t attempt or assume someone else should too.

And Canada I respect their equal rights but it’s also taken there citizens rights away. Red Flag.

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For the consideration of those interested in actually learning about what constitutes transphobic sentiments:

https://www.gov.nl.ca/education/files/k12_safeandcaring_pdf_transphobic_cisnormative_bullying_harassment.pdf

Do they have one that constitutes straight male phobia, Bullying, Intimidation, coherency.

Or do I have to expect externally what you feel internally. But your not willing to do the same Vice versa right.

Here’s what I’m saying “NO. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts straight or Trans. There it’s not transphobic or homophobic or Straightphobic. It’s my preference.

We all can have equal rights! but that doesn’t guarantee equal outcome.

If I’m transphobic then so are 3.5 billion men. Who won’t date trans women but don’t believe they shouldn’t have equal rights either. Do you just don’t creat a label or even attempt to try and convince me other wise.

I don't know what you're trying to pre-empt.

Without offense offered by myself, you seem to be offering up a defense for attacks I haven't made, asking questions to me rhetorically, and making assumptions about my internal emotions and reasoning, why?

Assuming your initial ask to "understand" Transgenderism was in fact made in good faith and not simply you trying to lure an audience to you the link is meant for you to read and learn...and hopefully increase your understanding.

If I am mistaken and you are actually not interested in learning and increasing your understanding...your question can easily be taken as being asked in bad-faith.

I mean after all, if all you wanted was to state your opinion without anyone else offering a response, argument, pushback, or opportunity for your growth... write a blog and end the farce of wanting an open exchange on the topic of conversation.

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WTF are you even talking about.

You want me to “understand” that I shouldn’t have a preference and “understand” I’m not free to use my own words. Because it will hurt someone else’s feelings. Guess what? Facts don’t give a crap about feelings.

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https://fb.watch/49WyUZrY-5/

Would I date this transgender guy, or someone like him? Maybe, but I would have to know the TRUTH about him, from the very first date. Even if he had a "dick". This person comes across as likeable and genuine, ALSO because he is open about his sex change.

It's the same as for other "secrets". For example, women going on dates with much younger men, but keeping their age a secret, until..."tA-dah...I'm 15 years older than you...come to mama"!! After all, it's the connection, the personality and looks that count, no? Errrr....not! Everything counts. And important things even more so.

100% ...sex change is huge. I cannot believe there are people walking around out there thinking it's not a big deal just because in THEIR HEAD they're now a true woman/man. What's in your head does not define such a hard reality especially if you want to have healthy relationships with people who live outside of your head...

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It is a big deal, indeed! A trans person is someone who takes hormones of the opposite sex. I could think of several reasons to stop taking them: from trivial (financial, availability, boredom) to life-threatening reasons (blot clot in the lungs, heart or brain, triggered by estrogens). When they stop taking the drug, they will revert to what the nature intended for them. Especially if they didn't have surgery and start transforming after going through puberty. The truth about them being a different sex only goes so far....

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For the consideration of those interested in actually learning about what constitutes transphobic sentiments:

https://www.gov.nl.ca/education/files/k12_safeandcaring_pdf_transphobic_cisnormative_bullying_harassment.pdf

Do they have one that constitutes straight male phobia, Bullying, Intimidation, coherency.

Or do I have to expect externally what you feel internally. But your not willing to do the same Vice versa right.

Here’s what I’m saying “NO. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts straight or Trans. There it’s not transphobic or homophobic or Straightphobic. It’s my preference.

We all can have equal rights! but that doesn’t guarantee equal outcome.

If I’m transphobic then so are 3.5 billion men. Who won’t date trans women but don’t believe they shouldn’t have equal rights either. Do you just don’t creat a label or even attempt to try and convince me other wise.

I don't know what you're trying to pre-empt.

Without offense offered by myself, you seem to be offering up a defense for attacks I haven't made, asking questions to me rhetorically, and making assumptions about my internal emotions and reasoning, why?

Assuming your initial ask to "understand" Transgenderism was in fact made in good faith and not simply you trying to lure an audience to you the link is meant for you to read and learn...and hopefully increase your understanding.

If I am mistaken and you are actually not interested in learning and increasing your understanding...your question can easily be taken as being asked in bad-faith.

I mean after all, if all you wanted was to state your opinion without anyone else offering a response, argument, pushback, or opportunity for your growth... write a blog and end the farce of wanting an open exchange on the topic of conversation.

WTF are you even talking about.

You want me to “understand” that I shouldn’t have a preference and “understand” I’m not free to use my own words. Because it will hurt someone else’s feelings. Guess what? Facts don’t give a crap about feelings.

When did I ever insinuate that? You asked a question and requested insight, the link provided the insight you requested. You asked you found out, you don't like the answer and reject it...and it is fine for you to reject that....but you trying to shut down unilaterally any and all pushback to your loudly and very public opinions...is stuff for blogs and soapboxes...not forums.

You're free to believe whatever you like, and say whatever you like...but freedom of speech doesn't give you freedom from the consequences of that speech.

With that, I hope the blog works out.

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No actually it does. What crosses the line is speech that insights violence or speech that calls to ACTION.

It’s a complete difference. Then me saying “Noo I don’t want date a man, use to be a man, or identify now as a man. If I tell you how I would react. Then I would believe me. Same as if you’d tell me how you would react I’d believe you.

So where is the consequence in verbiage. This is why America is a great Nation because Freedom of Speech is protected under the constitution.

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For the consideration of those interested in actually learning about what constitutes transphobic sentiments:

https://www.gov.nl.ca/education/files/k12_safeandcaring_pdf_transphobic_cisnormative_bullying_harassment.pdf

Do they have one that constitutes straight male phobia, Bullying, Intimidation, coherency.

Or do I have to expect externally what you feel internally. But your not willing to do the same Vice versa right.

Here’s what I’m saying “NO. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts straight or Trans. There it’s not transphobic or homophobic or Straightphobic. It’s my preference.

We all can have equal rights! but that doesn’t guarantee equal outcome.

If I’m transphobic then so are 3.5 billion men. Who won’t date trans women but don’t believe they shouldn’t have equal rights either. Do you just don’t creat a label or even attempt to try and convince me other wise.

I don't know what you're trying to pre-empt.

Without offense offered by myself, you seem to be offering up a defense for attacks I haven't made, asking questions to me rhetorically, and making assumptions about my internal emotions and reasoning, why?

Assuming your initial ask to "understand" Transgenderism was in fact made in good faith and not simply you trying to lure an audience to you the link is meant for you to read and learn...and hopefully increase your understanding.

If I am mistaken and you are actually not interested in learning and increasing your understanding...your question can easily be taken as being asked in bad-faith.

I mean after all, if all you wanted was to state your opinion without anyone else offering a response, argument, pushback, or opportunity for your growth... write a blog and end the farce of wanting an open exchange on the topic of conversation.

WTF are you even talking about.

You want me to “understand” that I shouldn’t have a preference and “understand” I’m not free to use my own words. Because it will hurt someone else’s feelings. Guess what? Facts don’t give a crap about feelings.

When did I ever insinuate that? You asked a question and requested insight, the link provided the insight you requested. You asked you found out, you don't like the answer and reject it...and it is fine for you to reject that....but you trying to shut down unilaterally any and all pushback to your loudly and very public opinions...is stuff for blogs and soapboxes...not forums.

You're free to believe whatever you like, and say whatever you like...but freedom of speech doesn't give you freedom from the consequences of that speech.

With that, I hope the blog works out.

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The pompous pontificating lectures from this guy. Where's the stewardess with the barf-bag, when you need her.

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Posted by Undine

https://fb.watch/49WyUZrY-5/

Would I date this transgender guy, or someone like him? Maybe, but I would have to know the TRUTH about him, from the very first date. Even if he had a "dick". This person comes across as likeable and genuine, ALSO because he is open about his sex change.

It's the same as for other "secrets". For example, women going on dates with much younger men, but keeping their age a secret, until..."tA-dah...I'm 15 years older than you...come to mama"!! After all, it's the connection, the personality and looks that count, no? Errrr....not! Everything counts. And important things even more so.

Reverse it ‘a 13 year old CHILD who looks older goes on date with a 28 year old women keeping their age a secret, until TA-Dah after sex I’m 15 years younger then you come to an Adolescent minor baby. After all it’s the connection right, personality and looks that count, no? Errr... full disclosure period.

You hide your trans and go on date with a man you risk your injury and possibly your life.

Here’s what you do:

Be honest.

Let the guy be aware of your transition

Don’t go on date sites looking for straight guys.

Date guys who are into trans. Many are out there.

You don’t discriminate, or label him. If he says No

Understand Feelings aren’t always realistic.

You have the right to be called he/she/they/them, transition, identify as your gender vs your sex. It’s your right but if you have gender dysphoria that’s an issue you have to face and deal with. It’s complicated issue you can barely understand. Don’t attempt or assume someone else should too.

And Canada I respect their equal rights but it’s also taken there citizens rights away. Red Flag.

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OOH, damn.......your example of a non-disclosure is mind boggling!

I agree with you.

Would you support a trans business

-yes

Would you be ok with trans Neighbors

-yes

Would you invite trans person to your home

-yes

Would you vote for trans person in office

“(if we share the same political views)

-yes

Would you help a trans individual in need

-yes

Would you except your kid if they were Trans

- yes

Would you support them

-yes

Would you date a trans women

-No

Then your Transphobic.

Ask a Lesbian the same question replace trans with man/men. You’d get the same response 98% of the time. But they would never get a hateful label. This is why straight men don’t take any of you seriously. As nonchalant, passive and careless as we act. We not giving in to your Concept of delusional reality.

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Off topic but what does the "9" stand for in your username?

This D*** I. measured it

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For the consideration of those interested in actually learning about what constitutes transphobic sentiments:

https://www.gov.nl.ca/education/files/k12_safeandcaring_pdf_transphobic_cisnormative_bullying_harassment.pdf

Do they have one that constitutes straight male phobia, Bullying, Intimidation, coherency.

Or do I have to expect externally what you feel internally. But your not willing to do the same Vice versa right.

Here’s what I’m saying “NO. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts straight or Trans. There it’s not transphobic or homophobic or Straightphobic. It’s my preference.

We all can have equal rights! but that doesn’t guarantee equal outcome.

If I’m transphobic then so are 3.5 billion men. Who won’t date trans women but don’t believe they shouldn’t have equal rights either. Do you just don’t creat a label or even attempt to try and convince me other wise.

I don't know what you're trying to pre-empt.

Without offense offered by myself, you seem to be offering up a defense for attacks I haven't made, asking questions to me rhetorically, and making assumptions about my internal emotions and reasoning, why?

Assuming your initial ask to "understand" Transgenderism was in fact made in good faith and not simply you trying to lure an audience to you the link is meant for you to read and learn...and hopefully increase your understanding.

If I am mistaken and you are actually not interested in learning and increasing your understanding...your question can easily be taken as being asked in bad-faith.

I mean after all, if all you wanted was to state your opinion without anyone else offering a response, argument, pushback, or opportunity for your growth... write a blog and end the farce of wanting an open exchange on the topic of conversation.

WTF are you even talking about.

You want me to “understand” that I shouldn’t have a preference and “understand” I’m not free to use my own words. Because it will hurt someone else’s feelings. Guess what? Facts don’t give a crap about feelings.

When did I ever insinuate that? You asked a question and requested insight, the link provided the insight you requested. You asked you found out, you don't like the answer and reject it...and it is fine for you to reject that....but you trying to shut down unilaterally any and all pushback to your loudly and very public opinions...is stuff for blogs and soapboxes...not forums.

You're free to believe whatever you like, and say whatever you like...but freedom of speech doesn't give you freedom from the consequences of that speech.

With that, I hope the blog works out.

The pompous pontificating lectures from this guy. Where's the stewardess with the barf-bag, when you need her.

I know my ability to string words together coherently bothers you. I hope you stay big mad at

I pray your blog also is successful.

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No it’s not that. It’s just that no one cares about your excessively expressions. Because you lack enthusiasm in the proposition and foundation for your fundamental truth.

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Posted by SuperSize9

Would you support a trans business

-yes

Would you be ok with trans Neighbors

-yes

Would you invite trans person to your home

-yes

Would you vote for trans person in office

“(if we share the same political views)

-yes

Would you help a trans individual in need

-yes

Would you except your kid if they were Trans

- yes

Would you support them

-yes

Would you date a trans women

-No

Then your Transphobic.

Ask a Lesbian the same question replace trans with man/men. You’d get the same response 98% of the time. But they would never get a hateful label. This is why straight men don’t take any of you seriously. As nonchalant, passive and careless as we act. We not giving in to your Concept of delusional reality.

What response are you looking for from people in this thread?

Would you just like the forum to collectively say "you're so right!? We are all delusional!!"

If not that, then what?

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Answer the question that’s What.

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Posted by stillstillwater

Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

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Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

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Posted by Prince_Pisces

Posted by stillstillwater

Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

Actually, if you had read the resources provided, respected the good faith responses of those who had bothered to reply to you, you would have noticed it has been said many times the issue isn't preference. No one is mad about that.

I won't give you my "excessive" response...I will provide commentary from a Trans-Woman though who has bothered to address your concerns.

From a Trans-woman:

"Here’s the deal: it is not transphobic to decide that you don’t want to date a specific trans person based on your preferences in personality, hobbies, social beliefs, body type, etc. Consent is really cool, and believe me, no one wants to date you or fuck you, if you don’t want to date or fuck them. Trans people are not trying to force you to date us.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

The transgender community is a massively diverse group with all kinds of body types, genital configurations, personalities, hobbies, and relationship style s. To categorically exclude all people from that group, who would otherwise align with your sexuality (trans men for a straight woman, trans women for a lesbian woman, etc.) is not only missing out on many potential connections you could have with people who you would otherwise have a wonderful time dating, but also reinforces the oppressive social system that says transgender women aren’t “really” women because they were assigned male at birth, and vice versa for trans men."

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god dammit. what i was trying to say in 14 pages.

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Posted by stillstillwater

Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

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Correct..bingo, thank you! People who actually live those lives are much more tolerant/understanding than the self-titled advocates. All love to transgender people btw.

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Posted by SuperSize9

Posted by Prince_Pisces

Posted by stillstillwater

Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

Actually, if you had read the resources provided, respected the good faith responses of those who had bothered to reply to you, you would have noticed it has been said many times the issue isn't preference. No one is mad about that.

I won't give you my "excessive" response...I will provide commentary from a Trans-Woman though who has bothered to address your concerns.

From a Trans-woman:

"Here’s the deal: it is not transphobic to decide that you don’t want to date a specific trans person based on your preferences in personality, hobbies, social beliefs, body type, etc. Consent is really cool, and believe me, no one wants to date you or fuck you, if you don’t want to date or fuck them. Trans people are not trying to force you to date us.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

The transgender community is a massively diverse group with all kinds of body types, genital configurations, personalities, hobbies, and relationship style s. To categorically exclude all people from that group, who would otherwise align with your sexuality (trans men for a straight woman, trans women for a lesbian woman, etc.) is not only missing out on many potential connections you could have with people who you would otherwise have a wonderful time dating, but also reinforces the oppressive social system that says transgender women aren’t “really” women because they were assigned male at birth, and vice versa for trans men."

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I think the key phrase is this-

"It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people."

So it's not transphobic if you just don't want to right? If you fundamentally believe that they aren't for you and you don't want to even try? Similar to a person avoiding all of one particular sun sign.

This type of talk is always so confusing. I mean it all comes down to choice.

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Posted by SuperSize9

Posted by Prince_Pisces

Posted by stillstillwater

Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

Actually, if you had read the resources provided, respected the good faith responses of those who had bothered to reply to you, you would have noticed it has been said many times the issue isn't preference. No one is mad about that.

I won't give you my "excessive" response...I will provide commentary from a Trans-Woman though who has bothered to address your concerns.

From a Trans-woman:

"Here’s the deal: it is not transphobic to decide that you don’t want to date a specific trans person based on your preferences in personality, hobbies, social beliefs, body type, etc. Consent is really cool, and believe me, no one wants to date you or fuck you, if you don’t want to date or fuck them. Trans people are not trying to force you to date us.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

The transgender community is a massively diverse group with all kinds of body types, genital configurations, personalities, hobbies, and relationship style s. To categorically exclude all people from that group, who would otherwise align with your sexuality (trans men for a straight woman, trans women for a lesbian woman, etc.) is not only missing out on many potential connections you could have with people who you would otherwise have a wonderful time dating, but also reinforces the oppressive social system that says transgender women aren’t “really” women because they were assigned male at birth, and vice versa for trans men."

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Humbly disagree with this trans-woman point of view. It is not transphobic to not want to date/sexualize someone who has had a sex change. Respecting and accepting someone else's decision with what they do to their body is one thing... not wanting to have a sexual relationship with that person is a preference. If people can have simple preferences of body types, hair color, financial expectations I don't know why it would be any type of phobic to not want to have a relationship with a transgender person.

People have the right to dictate what kind of situations/people (shallow or not) they want to allow into their intimate spheres.

@Ixion.....two concepts for you to ponder, since you're apparently "suffering" the affliction, but not aware.

Arrogance

1 : exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner an arrogant official. 2 : showing an offensive attitude of superiority : proceeding from or characterized by arrogance an arrogant reply.

Superiority complex

Superiority complex is a term coined by Alfred Adler in the early 1900s, as part of his school of individual psychology. A superiority complex is a defense mechanism that develops over time to help a person cope with painful feelings of inferiority.

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Posted by Ixi

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Posted by Prince_Pisces

Posted by stillstillwater

Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

Actually, if you had read the resources provided, respected the good faith responses of those who had bothered to reply to you, you would have noticed it has been said many times the issue isn't preference. No one is mad about that.

I won't give you my "excessive" response...I will provide commentary from a Trans-Woman though who has bothered to address your concerns.

From a Trans-woman:

"Here’s the deal: it is not transphobic to decide that you don’t want to date a specific trans person based on your preferences in personality, hobbies, social beliefs, body type, etc. Consent is really cool, and believe me, no one wants to date you or fuck you, if you don’t want to date or fuck them. Trans people are not trying to force you to date us.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

The transgender community is a massively diverse group with all kinds of body types, genital configurations, personalities, hobbies, and relationship style s. To categorically exclude all people from that group, who would otherwise align with your sexuality (trans men for a straight woman, trans women for a lesbian woman, etc.) is not only missing out on many potential connections you could have with people who you would otherwise have a wonderful time dating, but also reinforces the oppressive social system that says transgender women aren’t “really” women because they were assigned male at birth, and vice versa for trans men."

I think the key phrase is this-

"It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people."

So it's not transphobic if you just don't want to right? If you fundamentally believe that they aren't for you and you don't want to even try? Similar to a person avoiding all of one particular sun sign.

This type of talk is always so confusing. I mean it all comes down to choice.

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Dude... any adult can identify whether they want to date someone whose had a sex change or not. I don't know what ignorance has to do with it.... As a straight woman I'm just *NOT* attracted to someone whose had a sex change - however chances of me being in that situation are slimmer as I'm sure it is more difficult for a woman to get a fake penis than for a man to get a vagina. I guess the next scenario is a strap on and it's like, no thank you. I just want all that natural goodness. If a straight man says that though he'll get crucified in this day and age for having sexual preference for a natural woman. There's this whole push for men to not want what they want....

Most people don't need to read books to understand what their attraction and sexual preferences are. This world is getting so weird...

Also, just because an experience comes from a victim that doesn't make it a societal value that needs to be adopted 100% .

I love that with social media more and more people are speaking out against injustices and getting their rights. There are situations though that it's going too far where any victim's internal experience becomes the community's external consequence.

Critical thinking and perspective for the collective is also important. USA is too extreme in individualistic value.

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Posted by Ixi

Posted by SuperSize9

Posted by Prince_Pisces

Posted by stillstillwater

Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

Actually, if you had read the resources provided, respected the good faith responses of those who had bothered to reply to you, you would have noticed it has been said many times the issue isn't preference. No one is mad about that.

I won't give you my "excessive" response...I will provide commentary from a Trans-Woman though who has bothered to address your concerns.

From a Trans-woman:

"Here’s the deal: it is not transphobic to decide that you don’t want to date a specific trans person based on your preferences in personality, hobbies, social beliefs, body type, etc. Consent is really cool, and believe me, no one wants to date you or fuck you, if you don’t want to date or fuck them. Trans people are not trying to force you to date us.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

The transgender community is a massively diverse group with all kinds of body types, genital configurations, personalities, hobbies, and relationship style s. To categorically exclude all people from that group, who would otherwise align with your sexuality (trans men for a straight woman, trans women for a lesbian woman, etc.) is not only missing out on many potential connections you could have with people who you would otherwise have a wonderful time dating, but also reinforces the oppressive social system that says transgender women aren’t “really” women because they were assigned male at birth, and vice versa for trans men."

I think the key phrase is this-

"It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people."

So it's not transphobic if you just don't want to right? If you fundamentally believe that they aren't for you and you don't want to even try? Similar to a person avoiding all of one particular sun sign.

This type of talk is always so confusing. I mean it all comes down to choice.

Dude... any adult can identify whether they want to date someone whose had a sex change or not. I don't know what ignorance has to do with it.... As a straight woman I'm just *NOT* attracted to someone whose had a sex change - however chances of me being in that situation are slimmer as I'm sure it is more difficult for a woman to get a fake penis than for a man to get a vagina. I guess the next scenario is a strap on and it's like, no thank you. I just want all that natural goodness. If a straight man says that though he'll get crucified in this day and age for having sexual preference for a natural woman. There's this whole push for men to not want what they want....

Most people don't need to read books to understand what their attraction and sexual preferences are. This world is getting so weird...

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I mean I just don't know what the big deal is. If they don't want to date each other, then that's fine and it all should be settled.

I can understand being phobic to someone, there is a level of aggression related to it. So this is why I'm confused.

It seems like some people are really trying to push the trans phobic agenda when it's just someone saying no thanks.

I can date a lesbian who has strap ons, but I'd rather just date a guy. Doesn't mean I have a phobia.

Some things are handled with such kid gloves, it's crazy and everyone thinks there is always someone who is out to get them for one thing or another.

As long as no one is getting hurt in the process, I think it's not a phobia.

It's like no one has heard of deal breakers lol. If people say I do not date single-parents.. then are you considered a certain type of phobic and you are ignorant in need of learning about single-parents?

Fuck no. Everyone has their preference, deal breakers and their own definition/requirements of a happy love life.

There's truly someone for everyone... so I do not see any need to advocate or for transgender people to state that if someone considers them a deal breaker then that person is this horrible, ignorant, and phobic person. You're asking me to not shame you for your life choices and preferences, but you're going to shame me for the same values and dignities to choose who I want to be intimate with?

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Posted by stillstillwater

Posted by Ixi

Posted by SuperSize9

Posted by Prince_Pisces

Posted by stillstillwater

Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

Actually, if you had read the resources provided, respected the good faith responses of those who had bothered to reply to you, you would have noticed it has been said many times the issue isn't preference. No one is mad about that.

I won't give you my "excessive" response...I will provide commentary from a Trans-Woman though who has bothered to address your concerns.

From a Trans-woman:

"Here’s the deal: it is not transphobic to decide that you don’t want to date a specific trans person based on your preferences in personality, hobbies, social beliefs, body type, etc. Consent is really cool, and believe me, no one wants to date you or fuck you, if you don’t want to date or fuck them. Trans people are not trying to force you to date us.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

The transgender community is a massively diverse group with all kinds of body types, genital configurations, personalities, hobbies, and relationship style s. To categorically exclude all people from that group, who would otherwise align with your sexuality (trans men for a straight woman, trans women for a lesbian woman, etc.) is not only missing out on many potential connections you could have with people who you would otherwise have a wonderful time dating, but also reinforces the oppressive social system that says transgender women aren’t “really” women because they were assigned male at birth, and vice versa for trans men."

Humbly disagree with this trans-woman point of view. It is not transphobic to not want to date/sexualize someone who has had a sex change. Respecting and accepting someone else's decision with what they do to their body is one thing... not wanting to have a sexual relationship with that person is a preference. If people can have simple preferences of body types, hair color, financial expectations I don't know why it would be any type of phobic to not want to have a relationship with a transgender person.

People have the right to dictate what kind of situations/people (shallow or not) they want to allow into their intimate spheres.

You're free to disagree people do well and often for a number of reasons.

I can't however say that any one person's disagreement (or any number of group's disagreement) validates the notions that blanket restrictions on groups of people based out of ignorance of what those people are actually like and about isn't phobic, because it is. ​

I think when we also take into account that "Trans" is a blanket category that includes quite a large spread of identities more than a few which actually are completely simpatico with your sexuality if not your political or religious views on sexuality or gender.

No one's disagreement necessarily changes that, that is the case.

It's okay to say you don't have enough information, care, attraction or whatever to be comfortable with dating a specific trans-person, no one is going to have an issue with that.

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That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not fair to label people transphobic just because they do not care to learn about them and are minding their own business building a life that they want with the type of people they want.

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Posted by stillstillwater

Posted by saggurl88

Posted by Ixi

Posted by SuperSize9

Posted by Prince_Pisces

Posted by stillstillwater

Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

Actually, if you had read the resources provided, respected the good faith responses of those who had bothered to reply to you, you would have noticed it has been said many times the issue isn't preference. No one is mad about that.

I won't give you my "excessive" response...I will provide commentary from a Trans-Woman though who has bothered to address your concerns.

From a Trans-woman:

"Here’s the deal: it is not transphobic to decide that you don’t want to date a specific trans person based on your preferences in personality, hobbies, social beliefs, body type, etc. Consent is really cool, and believe me, no one wants to date you or fuck you, if you don’t want to date or fuck them. Trans people are not trying to force you to date us.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

The transgender community is a massively diverse group with all kinds of body types, genital configurations, personalities, hobbies, and relationship style s. To categorically exclude all people from that group, who would otherwise align with your sexuality (trans men for a straight woman, trans women for a lesbian woman, etc.) is not only missing out on many potential connections you could have with people who you would otherwise have a wonderful time dating, but also reinforces the oppressive social system that says transgender women aren’t “really” women because they were assigned male at birth, and vice versa for trans men."

I think the key phrase is this-

"It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people."

So it's not transphobic if you just don't want to right? If you fundamentally believe that they aren't for you and you don't want to even try? Similar to a person avoiding all of one particular sun sign.

This type of talk is always so confusing. I mean it all comes down to choice.

Dude... any adult can identify whether they want to date someone whose had a sex change or not. I don't know what ignorance has to do with it.... As a straight woman I'm just *NOT* attracted to someone whose had a sex change - however chances of me being in that situation are slimmer as I'm sure it is more difficult for a woman to get a fake penis than for a man to get a vagina. I guess the next scenario is a strap on and it's like, no thank you. I just want all that natural goodness. If a straight man says that though he'll get crucified in this day and age for having sexual preference for a natural woman. There's this whole push for men to not want what they want....

Most people don't need to read books to understand what their attraction and sexual preferences are. This world is getting so weird...

I mean I just don't know what the big deal is. If they don't want to date each other, then that's fine and it all should be settled.

I can understand being phobic to someone, there is a level of aggression related to it. So this is why I'm confused.

It seems like some people are really trying to push the trans phobic agenda when it's just someone saying no thanks.

I can date a lesbian who has strap ons, but I'd rather just date a guy. Doesn't mean I have a phobia.

Some things are handled with such kid gloves, it's crazy and everyone thinks there is always someone who is out to get them for one thing or another.

As long as no one is getting hurt in the process, I think it's not a phobia.

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Yeah 100% ... but now most people are determined to be offended. *shrug*

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Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

Actually, if you had read the resources provided, respected the good faith responses of those who had bothered to reply to you, you would have noticed it has been said many times the issue isn't preference. No one is mad about that.

I won't give you my "excessive" response...I will provide commentary from a Trans-Woman though who has bothered to address your concerns.

From a Trans-woman:

"Here’s the deal: it is not transphobic to decide that you don’t want to date a specific trans person based on your preferences in personality, hobbies, social beliefs, body type, etc. Consent is really cool, and believe me, no one wants to date you or fuck you, if you don’t want to date or fuck them. Trans people are not trying to force you to date us.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

The transgender community is a massively diverse group with all kinds of body types, genital configurations, personalities, hobbies, and relationship style s. To categorically exclude all people from that group, who would otherwise align with your sexuality (trans men for a straight woman, trans women for a lesbian woman, etc.) is not only missing out on many potential connections you could have with people who you would otherwise have a wonderful time dating, but also reinforces the oppressive social system that says transgender women aren’t “really” women because they were assigned male at birth, and vice versa for trans men."

Just to avoid misunderstandings: As long as the decision to not date transgender people isn't a categorical one that person is not and should not be labelled as transphobic.

Thus statements like "At this point in time I don't find myself attracted to transgender people but this might change in the future." are to be respected as non-transphobic and this choice isn't morally reprehensible.

Did I get this correct?

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Anything that makes sense, that goes against a certain agenda, doesn't get answered lol Yes you are correct in my eyes. I think we are both in agreement.

People are gonna start dating trans people to experiment and see what all the fuss is about and then THAT will be a problem 😆

You just can't win! 😆

I'll take one of each on a few dates. It sure would make some interesting conversation!

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Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

Op would be fine with dating a straight woman lol

Yeah after reading until page 4, I've figured 🤣🤣

Would you be fine dating a cross dresser as long as it is a straight male? Just curious 🤪

I mentioned "in private" I wouldn't care much about role playing and how he dressed in private. Clothes don't bother me.

Interesting. I never had a guy dressing up as a woman in a role play.. but i think i would be bothered 😅

Dude I'd so be bothered... Cancer did something really annoying as a joke and it traumatized me. I'm traditional and do not like to cross the female/male sexuality lines. I'm trying to think what boundaries I'd like to have regarding societal expectations of female/male... clothes is def one of them. I would not date a cross-dresser.... how about a guy who likes to stay at home to cook/clean? Dont mind it if i have a good career but overall meh not quite a turn on. I want to date a shark. Not to say that's a female trait but just trying to think of societal claims of female/male... What else....

Ikr!! It never happened to me but I just know it's gonna turn me off big time!

🤣🤣🤣🤣 what did he do?

I dont mind guys who cook and clean, in fact i find it sexy. I'd pick them over a workaholic everytime!! 🤣

Hmmm for now all i can think of..

.cross dressing

.make up

.nail polish

.talks like a woman

.pacifist

That's all i can think of right now.

I like them manly, rough but loving, sensitive and fam oriented on the inside lmao 😄



Edit: btw are you Aneema? Ive been looking for her here lol

No love, sorry to disappoint - I'm not Aneema. 😛

Based on your list:

.cross dressing - hell no

.make up - not really ... i could understand the punk rock image or cultural eyeliner and tribal stuff but def not feminine makeup.

.nail polish - same as above.

.talks like a woman - hell no.

.pacifist - what is this??

Cancer has a feminine demeanor at times but he's ultra manly with everything else so he's kind of an interesting mix. His views and sexuality is very masculine so that helps me stay attracted to him.



UKHHH I DO NOT WANT TO DISCLOSE WHAT HE DID... but i'll just get it out..lmao.. I googled it and it looks like something guys do for fun. I know he did it to freak me out but then i just overthinking it like if he enjoys it, bla bla bla ,what does it mean but I guess its' just one of those weird guy things... ukhh ok fine... so he tucked his dick between his legs while I was trying to touch him. All i felt was a vagina-like situation and i was like eewwwwwwwww and had to use our safe word for him to untuck it immediately lmao. *ew*

HAHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣 im enjoying your struggle as youre about to tell what he did 🤣🤣 that was super funny!

I'd freak out too honestly lmao. The thing is I have a transgender friend and I'm always curious see.. so i will ask too many questions 🤪 but i know from her, that "that trick" is what she would do before she underwent her surgery to hide her bulge.. so yeah if a guy would pull that on me, i'd definitely freak out.. like "how did you know....—" 🤔🤣🤣🤣

I ended up texting aneema, turns out i still have her number 🤣 now I know who she is here 🤣🤣

lolll i'm sure i'll have more stories...he's a crazy one this Cancer man.

Yeah I knew the trick from watching this one show about a crossdresser which I loved. But I was freaked out from just feeling a vagina-situation on my man! After googling it and this and that...I'm not worried but just in the moment i was super freaked out.

HAHA Glad you got to reconnect with your friend. 🙂 I've seen her name previously but don't really remember her. I think she was a Scorpio dating a Capricorn man...

HAHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣

I feel you sis! I pray to God no one would ever pull that on me. That will turn me off BIG TIME 🤣

You actually kept up with her more than I do. Last time I came in contact with her, she was still going crazy over a sagittarius 🤣 and now shes married to a capricorn. Lol time flew so fast 🤣

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haha trust me.. i was turned off!! lol

well there ya go, I brought you up to speed with ya friend.

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Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

Actually, if you had read the resources provided, respected the good faith responses of those who had bothered to reply to you, you would have noticed it has been said many times the issue isn't preference. No one is mad about that.

I won't give you my "excessive" response...I will provide commentary from a Trans-Woman though who has bothered to address your concerns.

From a Trans-woman:

"Here’s the deal: it is not transphobic to decide that you don’t want to date a specific trans person based on your preferences in personality, hobbies, social beliefs, body type, etc. Consent is really cool, and believe me, no one wants to date you or fuck you, if you don’t want to date or fuck them. Trans people are not trying to force you to date us.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

The transgender community is a massively diverse group with all kinds of body types, genital configurations, personalities, hobbies, and relationship style s. To categorically exclude all people from that group, who would otherwise align with your sexuality (trans men for a straight woman, trans women for a lesbian woman, etc.) is not only missing out on many potential connections you could have with people who you would otherwise have a wonderful time dating, but also reinforces the oppressive social system that says transgender women aren’t “really” women because they were assigned male at birth, and vice versa for trans men."

Just to avoid misunderstandings: As long as the decision to not date transgender people isn't a categorical one that person is not and should not be labelled as transphobic.

Thus statements like "At this point in time I don't find myself attracted to transgender people but this might change in the future." are to be respected as non-transphobic and this choice isn't morally reprehensible.

Did I get this correct?

Anything that makes sense, that goes against a certain agenda, doesn't get answered lol Yes you are correct in my eyes. I think we are both in agreement.

He got a like from me, i considered that a response on my end.

I apologize, I didn't realize you were hoping for an explicitly written response.

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You don't owe me anything, you said what you said and didn't feel the need to clarify. I think this is just one of those topics of where boundaries begin and end when it goes into preferences. Most people like siding with the underdog, which is fine.

I just like fully understanding so I can figure it out and make the choice for myself But I still love reading what people have to say. I'm hoping they can make enough sense to change my mind and open my views more. I'm always willing to learn and be corrected, especially if it's something I'm uneducated about.

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Transgender: We have the right to change sex organs and be accepted for our preference.

Straight people: We have the right to not date those who changed their sex organs and be accepted for our preference.



I guess rights do not count if they belong to a streamlined majority.

Transgender people are not trying to force anyone to date them though. You do know it's the idiot straight SJW's doing all of that and trying to speak for them right?

Not force but people are being labeled as transphobic for not being attracted to them. In that way it forces a response.

Actually, if you had read the resources provided, respected the good faith responses of those who had bothered to reply to you, you would have noticed it has been said many times the issue isn't preference. No one is mad about that.

I won't give you my "excessive" response...I will provide commentary from a Trans-Woman though who has bothered to address your concerns.

From a Trans-woman:

"Here’s the deal: it is not transphobic to decide that you don’t want to date a specific trans person based on your preferences in personality, hobbies, social beliefs, body type, etc. Consent is really cool, and believe me, no one wants to date you or fuck you, if you don’t want to date or fuck them. Trans people are not trying to force you to date us.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

The transgender community is a massively diverse group with all kinds of body types, genital configurations, personalities, hobbies, and relationship style s. To categorically exclude all people from that group, who would otherwise align with your sexuality (trans men for a straight woman, trans women for a lesbian woman, etc.) is not only missing out on many potential connections you could have with people who you would otherwise have a wonderful time dating, but also reinforces the oppressive social system that says transgender women aren’t “really” women because they were assigned male at birth, and vice versa for trans men."

Just to avoid misunderstandings: As long as the decision to not date transgender people isn't a categorical one that person is not and should not be labelled as transphobic.

Thus statements like "At this point in time I don't find myself attracted to transgender people but this might change in the future." are to be respected as non-transphobic and this choice isn't morally reprehensible.

Did I get this correct?

Anything that makes sense, that goes against a certain agenda, doesn't get answered lol Yes you are correct in my eyes. I think we are both in agreement.

I understand why this might look like the solution, and to an end it is one in terms of practicality, but technically the problem persists, as all someone who is transphob, in the sense that he indeed would never date a transgender person, would have to do is to give the correct formal response in order to not be considered transphobic.

That person then is, in a sense, Schroedingers transphob.

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I agree, and the key is still to just remain unaggressive with it. As long as someone is going on dates with those of their choosing and people are treated in a moral way, I think things work itself out.

What is the correct formal response?

There are so many grey areas in dealing with this type of thing.

Honesty and choice is the base line for most decisions in life. People want to know what they're dealing with.

Even though people who lie or deceive, win as well.

And usually you can't even tell someone has this type of phobia until they are put into this type of situation, which is all the more reason for honesty to be present.