You hurt so much (Page 2)

My ex friend (virgo) has stayed blissfully out of my hair. If she has any working brain cells in her head she'll stay that way, because I have no problem telling her for the 3rd or 4th time to go fuck herself, she's not my friend, and I want nothing to do with her back stabbing, lying shitty self for the rest of our lives. Forget being cordial. I tried that and she wouldn't take the "we're not friends" seriously, because she "cares" about me, and she "never" betrayed me. I basically had to get down right mean for her to get the message. Then my ex, who always supposedly didn't like her as my friend, tries to guilt me about how I've "hurt" her. He's soooo protective of her, isn't it sweet? Nothing is going on there, though, nooooo sir! It's all innocent and supportive and christian like. Note extreme sarcasm. 😛



Dang your Virgo sounds just like my Virgo however my Scorp man is not fund of her and actually told me she wasn't really my friend. I told him I was giving her just enough to hang herself and once she ran out of rope, that would be it. Well it didn't take long for that to happen but since we work together I won't completely ignore her but the "friendship" that was once there will not ever be again. The pain was all in her face today and she was looking at me like how could I just not care but it's the same way you didn't care about being loyal to me. She said in her e-mail she would never do that to me, yeah you mean trying to get with my man behind my back? So you know what you were doing and you now know that I'm to you so now it's not what I think it is? Yeah right, when he tells me you're making him uncomfortable then it's not a figment of his or my imagination that you are up to no good.

Yeah they always want to cling to me for some reason but I'm done with them and will only deal with them on an arms length bases. They assume because they're sneaky with the dirt, no one will know what they're doing but although they try to keep a low profile, their actions are still very transparent.

She tried to get with my current man and you're right, not only do they want what you have but it appears as though they want to be you period. It's like they try to cling to people who have the life/things they want and all the while behind the scenes they're trying to manipulate themselves into your life/position.

Posted by CluelessCancer

Posted by Cancer Lady
Exactly! I caught the Virgo red handed and she tried to act all innocent as if I just didn't see what she did. People get upset when we put our foot down and no longer allow them to take advantage of us. There's nothing for her and I to talk about because there's no explanation to explain why she did the unjust things she's did. If she was a true friend, she would have never done them in the first place. I have accepted who and what she is and it's not someone I want in me life and that's that.

lol virgos are sh!tty shady people. i'm always surrounded by them. now i just wonder, what's next.

i had a virgo friend who was acting very funny towards my virgo x, not to say he was better, but i just didn't like her behavior.

and she also shared a text with a mutual cap friend...grimey.

we've known eachother since college, been close last 5-6 years. maybe more.

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I will have to add my Virgo ex friend to that virgo hater club... I might not be cancer sun but I am rising... And there is something with Virgo people that wants me to punch them hard... They just are so full of themselves and they are always the victims, always opinionated about everything, and disregarding people because they think they are the shit.. Well they are but not in the sense they thought think... I recidntly cut one off my life too after 5 years of friendship.... Because she was constantly trying to make me look bad ifront of everybody and always penny pinching me... For everything but if I try to be like that the other way around I was being too mean... In this case, I don't care, I ran and not looking back... I was always appreciative and grateful to her, but this people cannot help themselves.... That one I don't feel like I have to even try... Pffffff virgos!....

Posted by Cancer Lady
My ex friend (virgo) has stayed blissfully out of my hair. If she has any working brain cells in her head she'll stay that way, because I have no problem telling her for the 3rd or 4th time to go fuck herself, she's not my friend, and I want nothing to do with her back stabbing, lying shitty self for the rest of our lives. Forget being cordial. I tried that and she wouldn't take the "we're not friends" seriously, because she "cares" about me, and she "never" betrayed me. I basically had to get down right mean for her to get the message. Then my ex, who always supposedly didn't like her as my friend, tries to guilt me about how I've "hurt" her. He's soooo protective of her, isn't it sweet? Nothing is going on there, though, nooooo sir! It's all innocent and supportive and christian like. Note extreme sarcasm. 😛

Dang your Virgo sounds just like my Virgo however my Scorp man is not fund of her and actually told me she wasn't really my friend. I told him I was giving her just enough to hang herself and once she ran out of rope, that would be it. Well it didn't take long for that to happen but since we work together I won't completely ignore her but the "friendship" that was once there will not ever be again. The pain was all in her face today and she was looking at me like how could I just not care but it's the same way you didn't care about being loyal to me. She said in her e-mail she would never do that to me, yeah you mean trying to get with my man behind my back? So you know what you were doing and you now know that I'm to you so now it's not what I think it is? Yeah right, when he tells me you're making him uncomfortable then it's not a figment of his or my imagination that you are up to no good.



Bloody hell, what is with her? Yeah, you totally "misunderstood" her intentions. Gotta love how they try to save face and put a spin on it. Just own up to it! Takes guts to do that, though.

Posted by CluelessCancer
Virgo women are massively thirsty, i wouldn't trust them around any man i'm with. they do funny things, and as crabs we are so intuitive that even if we don't see it, we know it, they're fake as heck.

True dat!!
+100000000000000

Posted by CluelessCancer
what did she do? how did you catch her?

Yeah, do tell... Juicy gossip. 😛

Posted by Cancer Lady
She tried to get with my current man and you're right, not only do they want what you have but it appears as though they want to be you period. It's like they try to cling to people who have the life/things they want and all the while behind the scenes they're trying to manipulate themselves into your life/position.

Yep, that sums up the ex virgo friend of mine. She would be so sweet and fake supportive of my art, etc, and all the while she has this insane jealousy that she never directed straight at me, but at other people who might be a little like me. It was weird. And this one I should have picked up on, but didn't think on it too much: 15 yrs ago she was always telling me how lucky I was to be married to who i was married to, that she wished her husband was just like him. I thought she was just unhappy with her marriage, I didn't think she was actually going after my husband. 😛

Posted by CluelessCancer
what did she do? how did you catch her?

Me or CancerLady?

Yep she was trying her best to get it out of me why I'm upset with her, no I'm not going to show my cards. You are well aware of what you were doing so either admit it or shut up about it because either way the damage is already done anyway. However the fact that you continue to try to demean my intelligence makes me have absolutely no remorse for you.

Yep! I hear you there! Oh, my "dear" ex friend went a step farther. She decided to try to use my mom and my sister to support her, and to take her side (little knowing that they knew everything about the situation). Then, when they didn't take her side, but pointed out her lies, she tried the same circle song and dance on them as she did on me. She also tried this with a bunch of mutual friends who pretty much ignored her and cut her out.

Well it first started with her asking questions about my relationship and Cancers are pretty private so I'd tell her like surface stuff but nothing too personal. So then she started trying to pry personal details out of me on the low and I'd tell her, I'm not going to tell you personal things about us and you need to respect that. She said okay she respects that but would wait a day or 2 and would start back with her indirect questions. So I got to thinking why is she so hung up on wanting to know about my relationship, then my Scorp out of the blue asked me why is she always starring at me and that she doesn't look at him in the way a friend would look at her friend's guy.

So she passed by his desk one day looking at him but she didn't know I was next to him so I looked at her and she looked surprised that I was there but then when she turned to walk away, she starred at him again while I'm standing right there. The she looked over and saw that I was looking at her the whole time and she looked off quickly. Like really, what are you doing? and that's when she started with the "oh why are you treating me different, are you upset at me about something" No ish Sherlock you know what you were doing and not to mention my Scorp telling me all the times she's come up to him starring at him hoping he'll say something to her when I'm not around.

Then comes the secrets she has kept from me that she should have told me regarding people she was associating with that she knew I didn't like. If you are cool with someone I don't like and it comes a time where you have to choose, your loyalty should lye with me. She expects me to have her back yet when it comes to her having my back she straddles the fence and won't pick a side. So if you're not going to have my back then why are we even friends? Don't just choose to be a friend when it benefits you.

CC, I don't have full on proof, just a ton of suspicious evidence. He was emailing her 4 yrs ago, but I never gave him her email, so not sure how he got it, or even why he'd want to since he supposedly didn't like her. She would tell me he was psycho, and an asshole (about his abuse with me), and after I left him she denied it all (even though I have her texts), says that he's not like that, he's wonderful, and then attacked me with "how could you do that to him" because I divorced him. Since I've left him, he, her, and my kids have slipped up and told me about some of their various get togethers. They go to the park, they go to 4th of July stuff, they go to the beach. I've known her since the mid 80's, and was there for her when she caught her husband cheating, but she chooses him? She's very protective of him, and so is he of her. I think she got upset that I left him because it took away her excuse to be around him (I was the excuse).

Or it took away from the validation that she could take him and have him if she wanted.

She's welcome to have him! Some people like to dig through the dumpster. 😆

I'm sure he was only "attractive" because he was with you, once you dumped him he lost his appeal... Just like with the Virgo, she didn't pay my Scorp any mind (we all work together) before I started dating him. Then all of a sudden he's on her radar and she's so interested in what he's all about.

No, they still do stuff together, and I've been away from him for over a year. The last one I heard about was Oct. 11, not even a month ago. What's twisted is how she was telling me she missed me, cared about me, and made zero effort to see me in person, but will see my ex. She knows where I live, I'm not that far away (20 min. drive), hell, we could meet for coffee, but she dodged all efforts to see me. I finally showed up at her and her husband's business to see if all her supposed care for me was really there. This was a year ago, and I hadn't seen her in 5 months by then. The look of pure hatred and venom on her face when she spotted me was all I needed to know. She quickly tried to put her mask back on and play nice, but she never really managed it. Later she called me and said that I had caught her off guard, that she hadn't had a chance to prepare herself for seeing me. Truer words haven't been spoken! She didn't have a chance to put her mask on and rehearse her pretty lines, and I did indeed catch her with her guard down.

Wow! How pathetic!

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No, the warning should be this (and my mom did warn my ex): treat with love and respect, and above all, be loyal. If you backstab, betray and habitually abuse or take advantage of, you will have your heart ripped out and crushed before your eyes, then left alone in your own sad misery with no backward glance.

As for what happens to the love? Well, if someone I love betrays me, abuses me, and otherwise shows that I have no reason to trust or love that person, I'll simply burn it to ash, turn it to hate, and not give one flying fuck about that person ever again.

I love the emotional honesty of this statement. There's a fine line between love and hate and the line is loyalty. It's knowing you can count on your partner in a fox hole and not just when the times are good. We say anger is toxic but sometimes its better to angry and resolved than fooling ourselves that we've forgiven them when we're really lingering on and trying to manipulate the situation. At least anger is cathartic. And it forces us off the fucking fence. I hate sitting on fences. Maybe that's a Cardinal thing?

Posted by Cancer Lady
Wow! How pathetic!

Taurus and Virgo....they should be a good match. Add that they have a lot of stuffy, religious views in common, and they are both fake/use people. Maybe they'll be happy being miserable together.

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Posted by MoonArtist
No, the warning should be this (and my mom did warn my ex): treat with love and respect, and above all, be loyal. If you backstab, betray and habitually abuse or take advantage of, you will have your heart ripped out and crushed before your eyes, then left alone in your own sad misery with no backward glance.

As for what happens to the love? Well, if someone I love betrays me, abuses me, and otherwise shows that I have no reason to trust or love that person, I'll simply burn it to ash, turn it to hate, and not give one flying fuck about that person ever again.

I love the emotional honesty of this statement. There's a fine line between love and hate and the line is loyalty. It's knowing you can count on your partner in a fox hole and not just when the times are good. We say anger is toxic but sometimes its better to angry and resolved than fooling ourselves that we've forgiven them when we're really lingering on and trying to manipulate the situation. At least anger is cathartic. And it forces us off the fucking fence. I hate sitting on fences. Maybe that's a Cardinal thing?

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It's exactly that. Obviously, hatred that turns a person to doing horrible things to another is completely wrong, and letting it corrode self is not good, either. At some point the process moves out of extreme hate, and into some sort of dislike, but mostly just meh. I don't like sitting on fences, either. It's a horrible feeling to be conflicted in what should be done. Unfortunately, some decisions aren't easy, and sometimes both choices aren't exactly good choices. For instance, divorce vs. stay for the kids. The kids get hurt, either way, because they don't like divorce, but staying in a really bad relationship isn't good for them, either.

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Posted by Cancer Lady
Wow! How pathetic!

Taurus and Virgo....they should be a good match. Add that they have a lot of stuffy, religious views in common, and they are both fake/use people. Maybe they'll be happy being miserable together.

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Darn! I shouldn't have let go my virgo ex bf! *bumps head into a wall*

in other words, this girl feels sorry u had such terrible experiences with them

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Wow! How pathetic!

Taurus and Virgo....they should be a good match. Add that they have a lot of stuffy, religious views in common, and they are both fake/use people. Maybe they'll be happy being miserable together.

Darn! I shouldn't have let go my virgo ex bf! *bumps head into a wall*

in other words, this girl feels sorry u had such terrible experiences with them

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Well, the Taurus/Virgo combo makes sense. I know that Scorpios have the most intense, feel at home connection for me (Cancer), so it's possible an Earth/Earth combo could feel that, too. Who knows, maybe those two have had the hots for each other for over a decade. Stranger things have happened.

I don't know really... nothing seems to be working 😢

Well, the Taurus/Virgo combo makes sense. I know that Scorpios have the most intense, feel at home connection for me (Cancer), so it's possible an Earth/Earth combo could feel that, too. Who knows, maybe those two have had the hots for each other for over a decade. Stranger things have happened.



It was always something missing with Earth signs for me, however I was certain I would end up with Cap because our connection is so strong and I can't even count how many of them I have dated as it's been that many. But they just can't emotionally give me what I need. I've never been attracted to water signs especially Scorpios until I got with my man. It was love at first sight so I was already all in before I found out he was a Scorpio which is good I guess because I would have passed on the connection that comes full circle for me has I found out he was a Scorpio early on and ran for the hills.

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Well, the Taurus/Virgo combo makes sense. I know that Scorpios have the most intense, feel at home connection for me (Cancer), so it's possible an Earth/Earth combo could feel that, too. Who knows, maybe those two have had the hots for each other for over a decade. Stranger things have happened.



It was always something missing with Earth signs for me, however I was certain I would end up with Cap because our connection is so strong and I can't even count how many of them I have dated as it's been that many. But they just can't emotionally give me what I need. I've never been attracted to water signs especially Scorpios until I got with my man. It was love at first sight so I was already all in before I found out he was a Scorpio which is good I guess because I would have passed on the connection that comes full circle for me has I found out he was a Scorpio early on and ran for the hills.



Early in the relationship, the Taurus ex and I had the physical chemistry, but no, he couldn't keep up with me emotionally. Add the abuse that steadily got worse, and it was doomed from that alone. Funny side fact is he has zero water in his chart and I have zero earth in mine. Oops.

Wow it's amazing you guys stayed connected as long as you did, I have Venus in Taurus so earth signs are drawn to me but it has always been an empty feeling. With my ex Cap I had almost got the point of thinking the connection we had was the best I could do but in the end, I just wasn't happy so I made the hard decision to move on and just not worry about being in a relationship. Then bam there pops my Scorpio out of no where giving me everything I've been missing and more. However I honestly think it was because I was ready and secure enough in who I am that I would no longer attempt to connect with someone or try to make something work that isn't ideal for me.

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No, the warning should be this (and my mom did warn my ex): treat with love and respect, and above all, be loyal. If you backstab, betray and habitually abuse or take advantage of, you will have your heart ripped out and crushed before your eyes, then left alone in your own sad misery with no backward glance.

As for what happens to the love? Well, if someone I love betrays me, abuses me, and otherwise shows that I have no reason to trust or love that person, I'll simply burn it to ash, turn it to hate, and not give one flying fuck about that person ever again.

I love the emotional honesty of this statement. There's a fine line between love and hate and the line is loyalty. It's knowing you can count on your partner in a fox hole and not just when the times are good. We say anger is toxic but sometimes its better to angry and resolved than fooling ourselves that we've forgiven them when we're really lingering on and trying to manipulate the situation. At least anger is cathartic. And it forces us off the fucking fence. I hate sitting on fences. Maybe that's a Cardinal thing?

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Not at all, I wholeheartedly believe in holding grudges. Once you're dead to me, you're any other stranger on the street... Death stare. And if i do have to continue to deal with you regularly, dont think it'll EVER be the same. You're a piece of dirt.

Any person who can't hold a good grudge is just weak and fickle. When someone says, getting angry and holding grudges takes so much energy... Um, no, being fake takes way more.

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Posted by Cancer Lady
Wow! How pathetic!

Taurus and Virgo....they should be a good match. Add that they have a lot of stuffy, religious views in common, and they are both fake/use people. Maybe they'll be happy being miserable together.

Darn! I shouldn't have let go my virgo ex bf! *bumps head into a wall*

in other words, this girl feels sorry u had such terrible experiences with them

Well, the Taurus/Virgo combo makes sense. I know that Scorpios have the most intense, feel at home connection for me (Cancer), so it's possible an Earth/Earth combo could feel that, too. Who knows, maybe those two have had the hots for each other for over a decade. Stranger things have happened.

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Not for me. With Virgo, it was easy, like family. With Scorpio, it was intense, like the side of yourself you don't want to see.

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Wow it's amazing you guys stayed connected as long as you did, I have Venus in Taurus so earth signs are drawn to me but it has always been an empty feeling. With my ex Cap I had almost got the point of thinking the connection we had was the best I could do but in the end, I just wasn't happy so I made the hard decision to move on and just not worry about being in a relationship. Then bam there pops my Scorpio out of no where giving me everything I've been missing and more. However I honestly think it was because I was ready and secure enough in who I am that I would no longer attempt to connect with someone or try to make something work that isn't ideal for me.

I'm loyal to a fault, and we started dating when I was 17. What can I say.....young love is stupid and blind, and very horny. 😛

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Wow! How pathetic!

Taurus and Virgo....they should be a good match. Add that they have a lot of stuffy, religious views in common, and they are both fake/use people. Maybe they'll be happy being miserable together.

Darn! I shouldn't have let go my virgo ex bf! *bumps head into a wall*

in other words, this girl feels sorry u had such terrible experiences with them

Well, the Taurus/Virgo combo makes sense. I know that Scorpios have the most intense, feel at home connection for me (Cancer), so it's possible an Earth/Earth combo could feel that, too. Who knows, maybe those two have had the hots for each other for over a decade. Stranger things have happened.

Not for me. With Virgo, it was easy, like family. With Scorpio, it was intense, like the side of yourself you don't want to see.

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I positively adore that side of Scorpios. Their dark side speaks to my dark side.

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No, the warning should be this (and my mom did warn my ex): treat with love and respect, and above all, be loyal. If you backstab, betray and habitually abuse or take advantage of, you will have your heart ripped out and crushed before your eyes, then left alone in your own sad misery with no backward glance.

As for what happens to the love? Well, if someone I love betrays me, abuses me, and otherwise shows that I have no reason to trust or love that person, I'll simply burn it to ash, turn it to hate, and not give one flying fuck about that person ever again.

I love the emotional honesty of this statement. There's a fine line between love and hate and the line is loyalty. It's knowing you can count on your partner in a fox hole and not just when the times are good. We say anger is toxic but sometimes its better to angry and resolved than fooling ourselves that we've forgiven them when we're really lingering on and trying to manipulate the situation. At least anger is cathartic. And it forces us off the fucking fence. I hate sitting on fences. Maybe that's a Cardinal thing?

Not at all, I wholeheartedly believe in holding grudges. Once you're dead to me, you're any other stranger on the street... Death stare. And if i do have to continue to deal with you regularly, dont think it'll EVER be the same. You're a piece of dirt.

Any person who can't hold a good grudge is just weak and fickle. When someone says, getting angry and holding grudges takes so much energy... Um, no, being fake takes way more.

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Oh, this is true! I've been the queen of holding grudges! I think, though, that I want to turn that energy into a less caustic form. I'll never trust or like that person again, but I'd like to have less of a visceral reaction to him or her. It's hard to ignore someone when your first reaction is to instantly flip them off while giving an evil grin.

lol yeah I won't say I don't hold grudges but I don't put as much energy into them as I use too. Just like with the Virgo, I have already made up my mind that I'm done with her on that level and I have made peace that decision so the anger/hatred is done. Especially when everytime I look at her I can see the pain in her eyes, so knowing that she's feeling what I felt and worse is good enough for me to go on about my happy way. However if I physically show anger/hatred toward her then in actuality she's the one in control and the best way to beat an enemy is to take away their power. The more you hold on to the hurt, the more control they have over you.

I am a Cancer with a Pisces moon and I feel like I can tell when a Pisces is trying to chameleon themselves as a martyr or misunderstood when in actuality they are the most selfish people wanting to tap into our "genuine" emotional psyche when they will really never get what we are about when it comes down to it.

Pisces gets it grouped with us all the time when in actuality its Scorpio who share more in common with us. Pisces is a fake plain and simple. Any Cancer or Scorpio who has been around one long enough knows they lie and misdirect all the time and when you finally put them in a corner they have the absolute most illogical (even to a water sign) on why they did what they did. Pisces wants you to feel sorry for them and take care of them as it makes them feel like they outsmarted you and that they are appeasing their nature as a con artist.

Also a key difference between Pisces and Cancer is that when a Pisces gets power/money they let their true nature show. Look at any Pisces Man who finally get his, he sure as heck aint giving back to the people that helped him get there unless there is some sort of sick game he cane play with them first and emotionally drain them of their sanity, afterall he was the tortured genius that society was against before he got famous or rich. Cancer calls bullshit on your faux "pain".

Woho whooA hightide hold your horses as every body in this forun generalizing is not good thing...

With that being said your description of pisces sounds more like a personal experience with one to me... Specially if you have your moon in pisces...

I do believe that cancer sometimes also makes no sense at all with all the moodines and cobstant indesicion... I do understand that because im cancer ascendant and i identify myself more with cancer trails... Bs dont hate!