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Posted by TaurusBull1977Thats the thing you arent getting TaurusBull - Civil Rights, throwing dogs, brutality, ect... does and is happening to Trans people today! That was my whole point on calling out CC - Please Please Please go read my original response to CC instead of basing things off the "revised" snippet she posted.Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
I'm a woman and not a sir and i believe in trans rights and that you should do what you feel. I will always support minority groups especially when it concerns injustice not because I'm Black but because I'm human.
But my opinon on this is.
you're not a woman, i don't care how much estrogen you take, the boob job, etc
I have a right to my opinion.
And don't try to use race cause gay ppl are racist as hell.
So you can stfu
@LilyPetal,
This was her opinion.
CC wasn't desensitized to the OP's decision to be transgender.
She just didn't agree with the OP's biological, scientific definition of a 'woman.'
Discrimination would be throwing the dogs at her, rocks, name-calling, bullying ,and taking away her civil rights....the list goes on.
To be honest, no one attacked the OP for being a transgender so far....just offered their own opinions as to what a biological woman vs a transgender woman entails.
I have seen much worse in regards to discrimination and bullying....and the OP has not witnessed any of it on this thread.
Trust me.
I have met racist people who couldn't give a rats ass about minorities. Do I care? No.
Why?
I don't crave acceptance from people.
As long as you're not attempting to take away away my Civil Rights, throwing dogs at me, or unlawfully arresting me, who cares what you think?
The OP, unfortunately, cares what people think....
Thus the reason for this thread.click to expand
Posted by MilaniKisses
but what about those females that are sterile/never able to bear children due to some health conflict.... They, as me, will never experience child birth - what do you call them then?
They're called female .. something you are not.
Being able to bear a child does not define being a woman.
Posted by MilaniKissesYES! Nothing pisses the intolerant off more than basking in your shine.Posted by LillyPetalThank you Lilly!
@MilaniKisses
You are beautiful. You are a woman. You define who you want to be. Don't let anyone steal your shine - especially not people on DXPnef. Thank you for being an example for how to live one's truth and how to stand strong against hatred and ignorance. ❤
I did have some expectation of ignorance even though I stated in my original post "... as long as they are respectful"
Being a woman and transgender, I've learned that you can not take anyone's negative opinions to heart. However, the beauty of people's ignorance is that it has made me stronger and thicken up my skin. :-)click to expand
MilanKisses,
But CC is NOT one of those people who are out brutalizing transgenders.
That's the point I was trying to make.
But yet her comment offended you....why?
But CC is NOT one of those people who are out brutalizing transgenders.
That's the point I was trying to make.
But yet her comment offended you....why?
Posted by MilaniKisses
With that said, for me, I know I will never go back.
You cannot make that statement.
The fact that you would is proof positive to me that you're not capable of making this kind of a judgment call. You shouldn't have been allowed to make this decision.
Posted by -elle-Who is announcing what? Are you referring to the fact they OP dared to start this thread at all?Posted by LillyPetalI haven't noticed anything because most of the people against the OP, I have blocked....I don't even know why people care what they have to say.Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
I agree wholeheartedly with the defining of what makes a real man or woman - but your comment is aimed in the wrong direction. Have you noticed that everyone against the OP are the ones using the "real men/women..." argument?
As far as "wouldn't it be easier", that's a straw man's argument. Some people don't have that luxury and to force this is a means to seek validation from others...that's the bottom line. If you are saying that it takes confidence to do this....then why the need of validation from others?
I am going to use race as an example because people of colour have an every day struggle.....
A black woman is not going to come in my office and announce that she's black. Why? Not because it's obvious she's black...but because it doesn't matter.
A gay woman came in my office one day to introduce herself and one of the first sentences out of her mouth were...I am gay. Real story.
Why?
I know gay is not transgender but all of this is going down the same path.
....and to compare transgender to the struggle of race relations is not even close to being fair.click to expand
Or is announcing it by simply being? Like how gay people are "rubbing in heterosexual's faces" and "why can't they be gay quietly"?
I don't see where anyone is seeking any validation.
@MilanKisses,
You felt that CC should be more empathetic?
Empathetic to what?
She IS fighting for your cause.
She just didn't agree with your scientific explanation.
Am I correct in this assumption?
You felt that CC should be more empathetic?
Empathetic to what?
She IS fighting for your cause.
She just didn't agree with your scientific explanation.
Am I correct in this assumption?
I would worry far more about some people choosing to bring children into the world than choosing to change their gender
Far more damaging
Far more damaging
Posted by P-Angel"Being able to bear a child does not define being a woman." Duh! Thats what Lilly had said and I agreed to. and you're opinion on what I am is your opinion. Kinda like my opinion about you is that you're old, dried up and a bitter woman who has nothing better to do besides be ugly to people.Posted by MilaniKisses
but what about those females that are sterile/never able to bear children due to some health conflict.... They, as me, will never experience child birth - what do you call them then?
They're called female .. something you are not.
Being able to bear a child does not define being a woman.
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Posted by P-AngelI can say the same thing about you, so that comment isn't worth anything. I made some valid points. You are welcome to address them, and not just the ones that afford you a few one-liners. But we always have the choice to agree to disagree.Posted by LillyPetalPosted by P-AngelI believe our inner selves deal with energy, both the masculine energy and feminine energy. It is not the same as how we predominantly feel. I mostly feel feminine, and so I am physically woman and it aligns and is in harmony. I can't speak about what it's like to feel feminine, yet have my outward appearance conflict with that. The only thing I can relate it to is the cognitive dissonance I experience any time I do something that goes against my inner moral values. Or, when people misjudge me based on my appearance - it is everyone's desire to correct someone else's misconception of him or her because it is important to humans to be seen as they wish to be seen and to be treated as they want to be treated. Heck, people are even proud of their astrological placmements and go through a process to know excalty what they are. Why not just choose the sign you most feel like and live by that? Why the need to correct people if they call you a Gemini when you're an Aries, for example? Identity is a powerful thing. Satisfying ones ego (ego has been stigmatized to being a dirty word) is part of human psychology and we all do it.Posted by LillyPetalPosted by P-AngelIt is very important to have harmony between our inner selves and our outward existence.
Your soul is androgynous ... the only thing you've accomplished is satisfying the ego consciousness.
How you appear to others, in form ..... has no meaning to the true self.
or whether it's to become physically a woman so that society treats you as you are.
Every person's inner self is both males and female ... the harmony existed before you were even born.
My thoughts remain ... I see no point in changing your gender to satisfy the ego, and especially not for the purposes of acceptance by society.
I've not met a person yet, who doesn't feel both feminine and masculine at certain given times and situations .. and that's because the soul isn't specifically gendered one way or the other.
I just don't see a rational reason for it, other than to prove something to others. If you know who you are, but, you're not going to live by that ... then what's the point of even having your life? ... if you're not going to live by the knowing of who you are, and you have to prove shit to other people to feel valued?
::::: shakes head ::::::
In the scheme of what's important in life ... gender is not one of them, specifying a particular gender is irrelevant.
Dismissing how society treats us as being irrelevant is reckless because, whether we like it or not, we are social animals and our identity isn't entirely our own. Part of our identity is shaped by how society treats us and the expectations it has of us. So, if an innocent man goes his entire life being treated as a criminal, he will carry a strong desire for the world to know he's innocent because only knowing it himself is not enough because how he's treated isnt in harmony with his inner knowledge of his innocence.
What do we say to people who have been born with both sexual reproductive organs? I can't pretend to begin to understand what the transgendered community goes though because I will never have to make such a tough decision. I'm sure most people would choose the easier path, the path that doesn't lead to societal outrage and discrimination or negative familial backlash. I certainly don't remember being asked if I wanted to be a heterosexual female.
I disagree and believe you just want to hear yourself talk.
Who cares what you can or cannot pretend to begin to understand?
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"In the scheme of what's important in life ... gender is not one of them, specifying a particular gender is irrelevant"
I haven't read all the posts here, but OP, have you gone through SRS yet or if not, are you planning to?
Posted by MilaniKissesPosted by P-Angel"Being able to bear a child does not define being a woman." Duh! Thats what Lilly had said and I agreed to. and you're opinion on what I am is your opinion. Kinda like my opinion about you is that you're old, dried up and a bitter woman who has nothing better to do besides be ugly to people.Posted by MilaniKisses
but what about those females that are sterile/never able to bear children due to some health conflict.... They, as me, will never experience child birth - what do you call them then?
They're called female .. something you are not.
Being able to bear a child does not define being a woman.
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Who gives a fuck what Lilly said ... are you glued to her ovaries?
I never gave you my opinion on "what" you are ... you just resort to being as asshole, merely because you are incapable of answering for yourself.
I haven't said anything ugly to you .... you, on the other hand have been ugly to quite a few people in here, merely because you're intolerant to viewpoints other than your own.
All - I am dipping out on responses on this subject. This was supposed to be a positive and educational experience for all. The fact that it turned ugly between people is not what I wanted.
I do want to thank everyone who are supportive, understanding and not closed minded to the understanding of who I am, what transgenders are, how we've gotten to where we are at today...
Those who got negative - SMH.... I respect your opinions, but you didnt respect my request for keeping things 'respectful'
Thanks,
Milani
I do want to thank everyone who are supportive, understanding and not closed minded to the understanding of who I am, what transgenders are, how we've gotten to where we are at today...
Those who got negative - SMH.... I respect your opinions, but you didnt respect my request for keeping things 'respectful'
Thanks,
Milani
Posted by MilaniKissesDon't feel bad. That's just dxpnet for ya lol.
All - I am dipping out on responses on this subject. This was supposed to be a positive and educational experience for all. The fact that it turned ugly between people is not what I wanted.
I do want to thank everyone who are supportive, understanding and not closed minded to the understanding of who I am, what transgenders are, how we've gotten to where we are at today...
Those who got negative - SMH.... I respect your opinions, but you didnt respect my request for keeping things 'respectful'
Thanks,
Milani
Posted by LillyPetalPosted by P-AngelI can say the same thing about you, so that comment isn't worth anything. I made some valid points. You are welcome to address them, and not just the ones that afford you a few one-liners. But we always have the choice to agree to disagree.Posted by LillyPetalPosted by P-AngelI believe our inner selves deal with energy, both the masculine energy and feminine energy. It is not the same as how we predominantly feel. I mostly feel feminine, and so I am physically woman and it aligns and is in harmony. I can't speak about what it's like to feel feminine, yet have my outward appearance conflict with that. The only thing I can relate it to is the cognitive dissonance I experience any time I do something that goes against my inner moral values. Or, when people misjudge me based on my appearance - it is everyone's desire to correct someone else's misconception of him or her because it is important to humans to be seen as they wish to be seen and to be treated as they want to be treated. Heck, people are even proud of their astrological placmements and go through a process to know excalty what they are. Why not just choose the sign you most feel like and live by that? Why the need to correct people if they call you a Gemini when you're an Aries, for example? Identity is a powerful thing. Satisfying ones ego (ego has been stigmatized to being a dirty word) is part of human psychology and we all do it.Posted by LillyPetalPosted by P-AngelIt is very important to have harmony between our inner selves and our outward existence.
Your soul is androgynous ... the only thing you've accomplished is satisfying the ego consciousness.
How you appear to others, in form ..... has no meaning to the true self.
or whether it's to become physically a woman so that society treats you as you are.
Every person's inner self is both males and female ... the harmony existed before you were even born.
My thoughts remain ... I see no point in changing your gender to satisfy the ego, and especially not for the purposes of acceptance by society.
I've not met a person yet, who doesn't feel both feminine and masculine at certain given times and situations .. and that's because the soul isn't specifically gendered one way or the other.
I just don't see a rational reason for it, other than to prove something to others. If you know who you are, but, you're not going to live by that ... then what's the point of even having your life? ... if you're not going to live by the knowing of who you are, and you have to prove shit to other people to feel valued?
::::: shakes head ::::::
In the scheme of what's important in life ... gender is not one of them, specifying a particular gender is irrelevant.
Dismissing how society treats us as being irrelevant is reckless because, whether we like it or not, we are social animals and our identity isn't entirely our own. Part of our identity is shaped by how society treats us and the expectations it has of us. So, if an innocent man goes his entire life being treated as a criminal, he will carry a strong desire for the world to know he's innocent because only knowing it himself is not enough because how he's treated isnt in harmony with his inner knowledge of his innocence.
What do we say to people who have been born with both sexual reproductive organs? I can't pretend to begin to understand what the transgendered community goes though because I will never have to make such a tough decision. I'm sure most people would choose the easier path, the path that doesn't lead to societal outrage and discrimination or negative familial backlash. I certainly don't remember being asked if I wanted to be a heterosexual female.
I disagree and believe you just want to hear yourself talk.
Who cares what you can or cannot pretend to begin to understand?
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"In the scheme of what's important in life ... gender is not one of them, specifying a particular gender is irrelevant"
Posted by MilaniKissesGood luck 🙂
All - I am dipping out on responses on this subject. This was supposed to be a positive and educational experience for all. The fact that it turned ugly between people is not what I wanted.
I do want to thank everyone who are supportive, understanding and not closed minded to the understanding of who I am, what transgenders are, how we've gotten to where we are at today...
Those who got negative - SMH.... I respect your opinions, but you didnt respect my request for keeping things 'respectful'
Thanks,
Milani
Some people cannot help themselves......they find opportunities to channel their hate online, which is cowardly and weak
Just rise above them and be true to yourself
Posted by MilaniKisses
All - I am dipping out on responses on this subject. This was supposed to be a positive and educational experience for all. The fact that it turned ugly between people is not what I wanted.
I do want to thank everyone who are supportive, understanding and not closed minded to the understanding of who I am, what transgenders are, how we've gotten to where we are at today...
Those who got negative - SMH.... I respect your opinions, but you didnt respect my request for keeping things 'respectful'
Thanks,
Milani
good, let's see if you are good for your word
Posted by TaurusBull1977
@MilanKisses,
You felt that CC should be more empathetic?
Empathetic to what?
She IS fighting for your cause.
She just didn't agree with your scientific explanation.
Am I correct in this assumption?
Posted by TaurusBull1977Milani, you haven't answered the questions.
MilanKisses,
But CC is NOT one of those people who are out brutalizing transgenders.
That's the point I was trying to make.
But yet her comment offended you....why?click to expand
If she comes back to answer your question, then she makes a further fool out of herself because it means her words have no honor since she said she was done.
Posted by -elle-There IS a parallel there regarding the act of discrimination. So, technically, a comparison CAN be made. The OP respectfully acknowledged that they aren't the same situations, but to claim that there are NO similarities is incorrect. If we were to create a Venn Diagram about "Racism and Gender Identiy Discrimination", you will be able to fill out the universal set because, logically, there ARE commonalities.Posted by LillyPetalI haven't noticed anything because most of the people against the OP, I have blocked....I don't even know why people care what they have to say.Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
I agree wholeheartedly with the defining of what makes a real man or woman - but your comment is aimed in the wrong direction. Have you noticed that everyone against the OP are the ones using the "real men/women..." argument?
As far as "wouldn't it be easier", that's a straw man's argument. Some people don't have that luxury and to force this is a means to seek validation from others...that's the bottom line. If you are saying that it takes confidence to do this....then why the need of validation from others?
I am going to use race as an example because people of colour have an every day struggle.....
A black woman is not going to come in my office and announce that she's black. Why? Not because it's obvious she's black...but because it doesn't matter.
A gay woman came in my office one day to introduce herself and one of the first sentences out of her mouth were...I am gay. Real story.
Why?
I know gay is not transgender but all of this is going down the same path.
....and to compare transgender to the struggle of race relations is not even close to being fair.click to expand
Posted by P-AngelThis is her thread. She can return any time she pleases. You consistently prove yourself time and time again to be a bully and to lack honor.
If she comes back to answer your question, then she makes a further fool out of herself because it means her words have no honor since she said she was done.
Posted by MysteryShopperDid that aqua know you were trans? Was he trans?
Were you born the same day as prince Harry
Posted by -elle-You just said this was a discussion, but then you say things shouldn't be discussed.Posted by LillyPetalWas this not an invitation for open discussion and are my comments not allowed because I'm not praising the OP for her courage...or scolding those that I have on block and can't see their asinine comments?Posted by -elle-Who is announcing what? Are you referring to the fact they OP dared to start this thread at all?Posted by LillyPetalI haven't noticed anything because most of the people against the OP, I have blocked....I don't even know why people care what they have to say.Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
I agree wholeheartedly with the defining of what makes a real man or woman - but your comment is aimed in the wrong direction. Have you noticed that everyone against the OP are the ones using the "real men/women..." argument?
As far as "wouldn't it be easier", that's a straw man's argument. Some people don't have that luxury and to force this is a means to seek validation from others...that's the bottom line. If you are saying that it takes confidence to do this....then why the need of validation from others?
I am going to use race as an example because people of colour have an every day struggle.....
A black woman is not going to come in my office and announce that she's black. Why? Not because it's obvious she's black...but because it doesn't matter.
A gay woman came in my office one day to introduce herself and one of the first sentences out of her mouth were...I am gay. Real story.
Why?
I know gay is not transgender but all of this is going down the same path.
....and to compare transgender to the struggle of race relations is not even close to being fair.
Or is announcing it by simply being? Like how gay people are "rubbing in heterosexual's faces" and "why can't they be gay quietly"?
I don't see where anyone is seeking any validation.
Live the way we want to with no explanation to others...it's really not needed.click to expand
Who are you or any of us to tell people to shut up about themselves. If I can talk about my fat tits, and people can talk about their relationships, then she can talk about being transgendered. You are completely marginalizing her. Telling someone black "I don't see color" is actual more harmful than actually seeing their color and accepting him or her as a human being.
Posted by P-AngelI need to understand the point of this thread.
If she comes back to answer your question, then she makes a further fool out of herself because it means her words have no honor since she said she was done.
The OP said it was meant to be educational, but was quite sensitive to certain responses.
I'm curious as to why.
Posted by -elle-But a transgendered person can always hide that they are transgendered? It makes zero sense for someone who understands what it is to be discriminated against to not defend others who are also ostracized.Posted by LillyPetaldiscrimination, yes.Posted by -elle-There IS a parallel there regarding the act of discrimination. So, technically, a comparison CAN be made. The OP respectfully acknowledged that they aren't the same situations, but to claim that there are NO similarities is incorrect. If we were to create a Venn Diagram about "Racism and Gender Identiy Discrimination", you will be able to fill out the universal set because, logically, there ARE commonalities.Posted by LillyPetalI haven't noticed anything because most of the people against the OP, I have blocked....I don't even know why people care what they have to say.Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
I agree wholeheartedly with the defining of what makes a real man or woman - but your comment is aimed in the wrong direction. Have you noticed that everyone against the OP are the ones using the "real men/women..." argument?
As far as "wouldn't it be easier", that's a straw man's argument. Some people don't have that luxury and to force this is a means to seek validation from others...that's the bottom line. If you are saying that it takes confidence to do this....then why the need of validation from others?
I am going to use race as an example because people of colour have an every day struggle.....
A black woman is not going to come in my office and announce that she's black. Why? Not because it's obvious she's black...but because it doesn't matter.
A gay woman came in my office one day to introduce herself and one of the first sentences out of her mouth were...I am gay. Real story.
Why?
I know gay is not transgender but all of this is going down the same path.
....and to compare transgender to the struggle of race relations is not even close to being fair.
parrallel discrimination, no.
My sons can't hide their skin colour in a job interview.click to expand
Posted by -elle-I see what you're expressing and I'm disagreeing with your assertion that there are no similarities between the struggle of a black person and that of a person who is transgendered. I will go as far as to say that there are more similarities than differences. The answer is in uplifting each other up against hateful oppressors.Posted by LillyPetalyou need to take a break because what I'm trying to express is completely escaping you.Posted by -elle-You just said this was a discussion, but then you say things shouldn't be discussed.Posted by LillyPetalWas this not an invitation for open discussion and are my comments not allowed because I'm not praising the OP for her courage...or scolding those that I have on block and can't see their asinine comments?Posted by -elle-Who is announcing what? Are you referring to the fact they OP dared to start this thread at all?Posted by LillyPetalI haven't noticed anything because most of the people against the OP, I have blocked....I don't even know why people care what they have to say.Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
I agree wholeheartedly with the defining of what makes a real man or woman - but your comment is aimed in the wrong direction. Have you noticed that everyone against the OP are the ones using the "real men/women..." argument?
As far as "wouldn't it be easier", that's a straw man's argument. Some people don't have that luxury and to force this is a means to seek validation from others...that's the bottom line. If you are saying that it takes confidence to do this....then why the need of validation from others?
I am going to use race as an example because people of colour have an every day struggle.....
A black woman is not going to come in my office and announce that she's black. Why? Not because it's obvious she's black...but because it doesn't matter.
A gay woman came in my office one day to introduce herself and one of the first sentences out of her mouth were...I am gay. Real story.
Why?
I know gay is not transgender but all of this is going down the same path.
....and to compare transgender to the struggle of race relations is not even close to being fair.
Or is announcing it by simply being? Like how gay people are "rubbing in heterosexual's faces" and "why can't they be gay quietly"?
I don't see where anyone is seeking any validation.
Live the way we want to with no explanation to others...it's really not needed.
Who are you or any of us to tell people to shut up about themselves. If I can talk about my fat tits, and people can talk about their relationships, then she can talk about being transgendered. You are completely marginalizing her. Telling someone black "I don't see color" is actual more harmful than actually seeing their color and accepting him or her as a human being.click to expand
Posted by AliensusedourbogrollFrom women, no lessPosted by LillyPetalIt's a competition apparently.Posted by -elle-But a transgendered person can always hide that they are transgendered? It makes zero sense for someone who understands what it is to be discriminated against to not defend others who are also ostracized.Posted by LillyPetaldiscrimination, yes.Posted by -elle-There IS a parallel there regarding the act of discrimination. So, technically, a comparison CAN be made. The OP respectfully acknowledged that they aren't the same situations, but to claim that there are NO similarities is incorrect. If we were to create a Venn Diagram about "Racism and Gender Identiy Discrimination", you will be able to fill out the universal set because, logically, there ARE commonalities.Posted by LillyPetalI haven't noticed anything because most of the people against the OP, I have blocked....I don't even know why people care what they have to say.Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
I agree wholeheartedly with the defining of what makes a real man or woman - but your comment is aimed in the wrong direction. Have you noticed that everyone against the OP are the ones using the "real men/women..." argument?
As far as "wouldn't it be easier", that's a straw man's argument. Some people don't have that luxury and to force this is a means to seek validation from others...that's the bottom line. If you are saying that it takes confidence to do this....then why the need of validation from others?
I am going to use race as an example because people of colour have an every day struggle.....
A black woman is not going to come in my office and announce that she's black. Why? Not because it's obvious she's black...but because it doesn't matter.
A gay woman came in my office one day to introduce herself and one of the first sentences out of her mouth were...I am gay. Real story.
Why?
I know gay is not transgender but all of this is going down the same path.
....and to compare transgender to the struggle of race relations is not even close to being fair.
parrallel discrimination, no.
My sons can't hide their skin colour in a job interview.click to expand
What's ironic is that most arguments against the OP sound like patriarchal nonesense that women fight against in other threads created by men. Yet, here women are, using the same tactics.
Posted by TaurusBull1977Posted by P-AngelI need to understand the point of this thread.
If she comes back to answer your question, then she makes a further fool out of herself because it means her words have no honor since she said she was done.
The OP said it was meant to be educational, but was quite sensitive to certain responses.
I'm curious as to why.
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I understand your need in finding out why it's a contradiction.
She didn't state anything educational, rather just rode Lilly's nutsack and got bitter towards people who aren't understanding.
It's a funny thing, really. People like her are constantly saying shit like, "we're misunderstood", or something to the effect .. yet, when the people are ready to hear this "education" ..... she refuses to acknowledge what they are saying/asking/believing .. so in reality, it's her HERSELF who causes the misunderstandings.
she's just an entitled Princess, intolerant and bitter towards anything she doesn't want to be aware of.
I kind of feel sorry for her to be honest. It's sad when people are so low that they can't even speak for themselves.
Posted by -elle-There is enough justice for everyone, but it can only be had if we stand up for one another. Adding to the discrimination of a group that's already targeted makes zero sense from the point of view of someone who stands up for justice (and not just justice for themselves.)Posted by LillyPetaldiscrimination exists....are they all parallel? No.Posted by -elle-I see what you're expressing and I'm disagreeing with your assertion that there are no similarities between the struggle of a black persons and that of a person who is transgendered. I will go as far as to say that there are more similarities than differences.Posted by LillyPetalyou need to take a break because what I'm trying to express is completely escaping you.Posted by -elle-You just said this was a discussion, but then you say things shouldn't be discussed.Posted by LillyPetalWas this not an invitation for open discussion and are my comments not allowed because I'm not praising the OP for her courage...or scolding those that I have on block and can't see their asinine comments?Posted by -elle-Who is announcing what? Are you referring to the fact they OP dared to start this thread at all?Posted by LillyPetalI haven't noticed anything because most of the people against the OP, I have blocked....I don't even know why people care what they have to say.Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
I agree wholeheartedly with the defining of what makes a real man or woman - but your comment is aimed in the wrong direction. Have you noticed that everyone against the OP are the ones using the "real men/women..." argument?
As far as "wouldn't it be easier", that's a straw man's argument. Some people don't have that luxury and to force this is a means to seek validation from others...that's the bottom line. If you are saying that it takes confidence to do this....then why the need of validation from others?
I am going to use race as an example because people of colour have an every day struggle.....
A black woman is not going to come in my office and announce that she's black. Why? Not because it's obvious she's black...but because it doesn't matter.
A gay woman came in my office one day to introduce herself and one of the first sentences out of her mouth were...I am gay. Real story.
Why?
I know gay is not transgender but all of this is going down the same path.
....and to compare transgender to the struggle of race relations is not even close to being fair.
Or is announcing it by simply being? Like how gay people are "rubbing in heterosexual's faces" and "why can't they be gay quietly"?
I don't see where anyone is seeking any validation.
Live the way we want to with no explanation to others...it's really not needed.
Who are you or any of us to tell people to shut up about themselves. If I can talk about my fat tits, and people can talk about their relationships, then she can talk about being transgendered. You are completely marginalizing her. Telling someone black "I don't see color" is actual more harmful than actually seeing their color and accepting him or her as a human being.
there are different roots to each form of discrimination, so it cannot be parallel.
black, white, tall, short, gay, straight, thin, fat, long hair, short hair....they all exist. Anything that makes someone different from someone else...which is essentially everything...will create a basis for discrimination. That is as far as the similarities go.
when you start saying they are all parallel, you are disrespecting the discriminated person and their unique struggle.
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In the unique struggle of blacks, there are parallels to be drawn to the unique struggle of trans people. I invite you to try and fill out a Venn Diagram to see that logic in play. We are all more connected than we realize.
Posted by P-AngelYou didn't add anything to the discussion. This thread was educational until people came in and began accusing her of cheating and declaring that she's not a woman. There were others who had different view points and actually asked interesting questions which the OP answered patiently.Posted by TaurusBull1977Posted by P-AngelI need to understand the point of this thread.
If she comes back to answer your question, then she makes a further fool out of herself because it means her words have no honor since she said she was done.
The OP said it was meant to be educational, but was quite sensitive to certain responses.
I'm curious as to why.
I understand your need in finding out why it's a contradiction.
She didn't state anything educational, rather just rode Lilly's nutsack and got bitter towards people who aren't understanding.
It's a funny thing, really. People like her are constantly saying shit like, "we're misunderstood", or something to the effect .. yet, when the people are ready to hear this "education" ..... she refuses to acknowledge what they are saying/asking/believing .. so in reality, it's her HERSELF who causes the misunderstandings.
she's just an entitled Princess, intolerant and bitter towards anything she doesn't want to be aware of.
I kind of feel sorry for her to be honest. It's sad when people are so low that they can't even speak for themselves.
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It's a shame that you are of the old-guard, yet you offer little for us to learn in way of acceptance.
Posted by P-AngelI didn't witness any online bullying.
I understand your need in finding out why it's a contradiction.
She didn't state anything educational, rather just rode Lilly's nutsack and got bitter towards people who aren't understanding
Or anyone who was apathetic.
There were many intelligent questions....and responses.
This board didn't get messy at all.
I do agree.
Only certain responses were allowed.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeYou are spoiled.Posted by TaurusBull1977Because he's a privileged white man who thinks he can walk in my shoes. Whereas ive never stated i can walk in his.
MilanKisses,
But CC is NOT one of those people who are out brutalizing transgenders.
That's the point I was trying to make.
But yet her comment offended you....why?
To the op
Like i said i will always defend against injustice don't mean i have to have the same opinion as you on what makes a man a man and a woman a woman.
Do you.click to expand
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeAnd brattyPosted by LillyPetalYa bytch I'm spoiled. You are one irritating idiotic dumb cuntPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeYou are spoiled.Posted by TaurusBull1977Because he's a privileged white man who thinks he can walk in my shoes. Whereas ive never stated i can walk in his.
MilanKisses,
But CC is NOT one of those people who are out brutalizing transgenders.
That's the point I was trying to make.
But yet her comment offended you....why?
To the op
Like i said i will always defend against injustice don't mean i have to have the same opinion as you on what makes a man a man and a woman a woman.
Do you.
Stop talking to meclick to expand
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeIt's not the difference of opinion - it's the arrogance of telling someone they shouldn't talk about being trans gendered, or being arrogant to define who she is as a person.Posted by MilaniKissesWhy is it ugly or negative to have a different opinion than YOU —
All - I am dipping out on responses on this subject. This was supposed to be a positive and educational experience for all. The fact that it turned ugly between people is not what I wanted.
I do want to thank everyone who are supportive, understanding and not closed minded to the understanding of who I am, what transgenders are, how we've gotten to where we are at today...
Those who got negative - SMH.... I respect your opinions, but you didnt respect my request for keeping things 'respectful'
Thanks,
Milani
you want blanket acceptance and you have it, you're accepted, but you're not a woman in my eyes and you never will be, but i accept that you think thatclick to expand
Posted by TaurusBull1977If you didn't witness any bullying, then you weren't paying attention.Posted by P-AngelI didn't witness any online bullying.
I understand your need in finding out why it's a contradiction.
She didn't state anything educational, rather just rode Lilly's nutsack and got bitter towards people who aren't understanding
Or anyone who was apathetic.
There were many intelligent questions....and responses.
This board didn't get messy at all.
I do agree.
Only certain responses were allowed.
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It reminds me of how people act incredulous when being called out on micro-aggressions, "What? Kirsten didn't say thing wrong! Beyoncé was just overreacting."
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeActually, you brought up race first to discredit the struggle of trans people. But go on and continue to make this about you.
WHY DO GAY AND TRANSSEXUALS PPL ALWAYS BRING UP THE BLACK EXPERIENCE. WHY? ARE BLACK PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO NOR HAVE THEIR OWN THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON THINGS WITHOUT YOU FUKERS ALWAYS TRYING TO BRING US TO YOUR BS POLITICS.
If gay people actually fought for civil rights i would understand, but they're the most racist people i know.
Now Black gay people are the most woke ppl, I'll ride or die with them, but otherwise stfu
Don't try to pigeonhole black ppl
We can think wtf we want
Posted by -elle-No one ever said equal, but there is no denying the parallels. And like another poster said, this isn't a competition. I will agree with you to agree to disagree.Posted by LillyPetalWe can argue this all day long but racial discrimination will never be equal in discrimination to transgender.Posted by -elle-But a transgendered person can always hide that they are transgendered? It makes zero sense for someone who understands what it is to be discriminated against to not defend others who are also ostracized.Posted by LillyPetaldiscrimination, yes.Posted by -elle-There IS a parallel there regarding the act of discrimination. So, technically, a comparison CAN be made. The OP respectfully acknowledged that they aren't the same situations, but to claim that there are NO similarities is incorrect. If we were to create a Venn Diagram about "Racism and Gender Identiy Discrimination", you will be able to fill out the universal set because, logically, there ARE commonalities.Posted by LillyPetalI haven't noticed anything because most of the people against the OP, I have blocked....I don't even know why people care what they have to say.Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
I agree wholeheartedly with the defining of what makes a real man or woman - but your comment is aimed in the wrong direction. Have you noticed that everyone against the OP are the ones using the "real men/women..." argument?
As far as "wouldn't it be easier", that's a straw man's argument. Some people don't have that luxury and to force this is a means to seek validation from others...that's the bottom line. If you are saying that it takes confidence to do this....then why the need of validation from others?
I am going to use race as an example because people of colour have an every day struggle.....
A black woman is not going to come in my office and announce that she's black. Why? Not because it's obvious she's black...but because it doesn't matter.
A gay woman came in my office one day to introduce herself and one of the first sentences out of her mouth were...I am gay. Real story.
Why?
I know gay is not transgender but all of this is going down the same path.
....and to compare transgender to the struggle of race relations is not even close to being fair.
parrallel discrimination, no.
My sons can't hide their skin colour in a job interview.
Ever.
I only commented in this thread because the OP stated it was.
If anything.....racial discrimination has paved a road for all other forms of discrimination. The battle of racial discrimination has actually made it possible for others to exist without the harsh consequences of yesterday.
To even *think* it's equal is completely disrespectful to races that have been oppressed for years and still fighting that battle.
We will have to agree to disagree because we will never get to a point where either of us are going to feel understood.click to expand
If the black movement isn't uplifting others and lending a voice to the discriminated against - then it's being used incorrectly.
CC brought up race as a way to discredit the struggle of trans people. That's unacceptable.
@LilyPetal,
The OP is a transgender....which means she was not born a woman, but identifies herself as a woman.
She stated herself that she's upfront with all the men that she dates.
She tells them that she is 'transgender'...which implies 'born a man....now living as a woman.'
If she was certain she was 100% woman, she wouldn't feel the need to disclose that to the men that she dates.
Or offer any negative rebuttal to anyone who disagrees with her scientific views on beng a woman.
No one was against her transformation.
No one bullied her.
No threats were made.
This didn't get ugly.
Just a graceful exit met with probing, unanswered questions.
The OP is a transgender....which means she was not born a woman, but identifies herself as a woman.
She stated herself that she's upfront with all the men that she dates.
She tells them that she is 'transgender'...which implies 'born a man....now living as a woman.'
If she was certain she was 100% woman, she wouldn't feel the need to disclose that to the men that she dates.
Or offer any negative rebuttal to anyone who disagrees with her scientific views on beng a woman.
No one was against her transformation.
No one bullied her.
No threats were made.
This didn't get ugly.
Just a graceful exit met with probing, unanswered questions.
Posted by -elle-That's just it - people WANT TO BE SEEN as they are and for who they are. Telling them you don't see them as transgendered/black/gay/disabled/polka-dotted is NOT doing them any favors and is actually the source of the lack of awareness of our diversity and how to honor and respect our differences! It ADDS to the marginalization of minorities. It's like when someone says, "All lives matter" to someone who says "Black lives matter." No. Let them bring awareness to the fact that the are black so that we can address their issues and concerns!Posted by LillyPetalI never implied we weren't connected.Posted by -elle-There is enough justice for everyone, but it can only be had if we stand up for one another. Adding to the discrimination of a group that's already targeted makes zero sense from the point of view of someone who stands up for justice (and not just justice for themselves.)Posted by LillyPetaldiscrimination exists....are they all parallel? No.Posted by -elle-I see what you're expressing and I'm disagreeing with your assertion that there are no similarities between the struggle of a black persons and that of a person who is transgendered. I will go as far as to say that there are more similarities than differences.Posted by LillyPetalyou need to take a break because what I'm trying to express is completely escaping you.Posted by -elle-You just said this was a discussion, but then you say things shouldn't be discussed.Posted by LillyPetalWas this not an invitation for open discussion and are my comments not allowed because I'm not praising the OP for her courage...or scolding those that I have on block and can't see their asinine comments?Posted by -elle-Who is announcing what? Are you referring to the fact they OP dared to start this thread at all?Posted by LillyPetalI haven't noticed anything because most of the people against the OP, I have blocked....I don't even know why people care what they have to say.Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
I agree wholeheartedly with the defining of what makes a real man or woman - but your comment is aimed in the wrong direction. Have you noticed that everyone against the OP are the ones using the "real men/women..." argument?
As far as "wouldn't it be easier", that's a straw man's argument. Some people don't have that luxury and to force this is a means to seek validation from others...that's the bottom line. If you are saying that it takes confidence to do this....then why the need of validation from others?
I am going to use race as an example because people of colour have an every day struggle.....
A black woman is not going to come in my office and announce that she's black. Why? Not because it's obvious she's black...but because it doesn't matter.
A gay woman came in my office one day to introduce herself and one of the first sentences out of her mouth were...I am gay. Real story.
Why?
I know gay is not transgender but all of this is going down the same path.
....and to compare transgender to the struggle of race relations is not even close to being fair.
Or is announcing it by simply being? Like how gay people are "rubbing in heterosexual's faces" and "why can't they be gay quietly"?
I don't see where anyone is seeking any validation.
Live the way we want to with no explanation to others...it's really not needed.
Who are you or any of us to tell people to shut up about themselves. If I can talk about my fat tits, and people can talk about their relationships, then she can talk about being transgendered. You are completely marginalizing her. Telling someone black "I don't see color" is actual more harmful than actually seeing their color and accepting him or her as a human being.
there are different roots to each form of discrimination, so it cannot be parallel.
black, white, tall, short, gay, straight, thin, fat, long hair, short hair....they all exist. Anything that makes someone different from someone else...which is essentially everything...will create a basis for discrimination. That is as far as the similarities go.
when you start saying they are all parallel, you are disrespecting the discriminated person and their unique struggle.
In the unique struggle of blacks, there are parallels to be drawn to the unique struggle of trans people. I invite you to try and fill out a Venn Diagram to see that logic in play. We are all more connected than we realize.
You are defensive because I'm taking a different perspective. I don't see the OP as anything but the OP. I do not care what gender she identifies with.
I don't need you to prove we are connected...I know this.
My point is she is not any different than me, you, the guy in the next office, the homeless guy I passed at lunch on the corner looking for handouts, the neighbor lady who I saw walking her dog this morning (can't stand that dog, btw) my grandson, your third cousin.......
As my son says...."Labels are garbage. Stop the madness."
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People WANT TO BE SEEN for who they are because being black/trans is an important part of WHO THEY ARE. They want to be seen and they want to be accepted.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeQuit throwing a tantrumPosted by LillyPetalActually the OP brought up race, but you're a moron, you don't read, you can't comprehend, you're completely irrational. On top of that you're a LIAR. I CANNOT STAND LIARS. ARIES ALWAYS NEED TO LIE TO TRY TO WIN SOME ARGUMENT.Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeActually, you brought up race first to discredit the struggle of trans people. But go on and continue to make this about you.
WHY DO GAY AND TRANSSEXUALS PPL ALWAYS BRING UP THE BLACK EXPERIENCE. WHY? ARE BLACK PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO NOR HAVE THEIR OWN THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON THINGS WITHOUT YOU FUKERS ALWAYS TRYING TO BRING US TO YOUR BS POLITICS.
If gay people actually fought for civil rights i would understand, but they're the most racist people i know.
Now Black gay people are the most woke ppl, I'll ride or die with them, but otherwise stfu
Don't try to pigeonhole black ppl
We can think wtf we want
THIS ISN'T AN ARGUMENT. it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it. Liar
Why are you talking to me . Stop.click to expand
Posted by -elle-Lol, you aren't missing out on anything, I'll tell you that.Posted by LillyPetalI can't see CC's posts so I have no idea what she said nor will I log out to burden my brain space with it. I can't be bothered with her today. I don't take anything she says seriously anyways.Posted by -elle-No one ever said equal, but there is no denying the parallels. And like another poster said, this isn't a competition. I will agree with you to agree to disagree.Posted by LillyPetalWe can argue this all day long but racial discrimination will never be equal in discrimination to transgender.Posted by -elle-But a transgendered person can always hide that they are transgendered? It makes zero sense for someone who understands what it is to be discriminated against to not defend others who are also ostracized.Posted by LillyPetaldiscrimination, yes.Posted by -elle-There IS a parallel there regarding the act of discrimination. So, technically, a comparison CAN be made. The OP respectfully acknowledged that they aren't the same situations, but to claim that there are NO similarities is incorrect. If we were to create a Venn Diagram about "Racism and Gender Identiy Discrimination", you will be able to fill out the universal set because, logically, there ARE commonalities.Posted by LillyPetalI haven't noticed anything because most of the people against the OP, I have blocked....I don't even know why people care what they have to say.Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
I agree wholeheartedly with the defining of what makes a real man or woman - but your comment is aimed in the wrong direction. Have you noticed that everyone against the OP are the ones using the "real men/women..." argument?
As far as "wouldn't it be easier", that's a straw man's argument. Some people don't have that luxury and to force this is a means to seek validation from others...that's the bottom line. If you are saying that it takes confidence to do this....then why the need of validation from others?
I am going to use race as an example because people of colour have an every day struggle.....
A black woman is not going to come in my office and announce that she's black. Why? Not because it's obvious she's black...but because it doesn't matter.
A gay woman came in my office one day to introduce herself and one of the first sentences out of her mouth were...I am gay. Real story.
Why?
I know gay is not transgender but all of this is going down the same path.
....and to compare transgender to the struggle of race relations is not even close to being fair.
parrallel discrimination, no.
My sons can't hide their skin colour in a job interview.
Ever.
I only commented in this thread because the OP stated it was.
If anything.....racial discrimination has paved a road for all other forms of discrimination. The battle of racial discrimination has actually made it possible for others to exist without the harsh consequences of yesterday.
To even *think* it's equal is completely disrespectful to races that have been oppressed for years and still fighting that battle.
We will have to agree to disagree because we will never get to a point where either of us are going to feel understood.
If the black movement isn't uplifting others and lending a voice to the discriminated against - then it's being used incorrectly.
CC brought up race as a way to discredit the struggle of trans people. That's unacceptable.
The OP compared racism with transgender discrimination in an earlier post.click to expand
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeYou need to chill with the testosterone. And you are trying to dictate what a "real woman" is? Pffft!Posted by LillyPetalYou lied on me and i'm throwing a tantrumPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeQuit throwing a tantrumPosted by LillyPetalActually the OP brought up race, but you're a moron, you don't read, you can't comprehend, you're completely irrational. On top of that you're a LIAR. I CANNOT STAND LIARS. ARIES ALWAYS NEED TO LIE TO TRY TO WIN SOME ARGUMENT.Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeActually, you brought up race first to discredit the struggle of trans people. But go on and continue to make this about you.
WHY DO GAY AND TRANSSEXUALS PPL ALWAYS BRING UP THE BLACK EXPERIENCE. WHY? ARE BLACK PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO NOR HAVE THEIR OWN THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON THINGS WITHOUT YOU FUKERS ALWAYS TRYING TO BRING US TO YOUR BS POLITICS.
If gay people actually fought for civil rights i would understand, but they're the most racist people i know.
Now Black gay people are the most woke ppl, I'll ride or die with them, but otherwise stfu
Don't try to pigeonhole black ppl
We can think wtf we want
THIS ISN'T AN ARGUMENT. it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it. Liar
Why are you talking to me . Stop.
I would cut you in the face right now
You stupid weak bytch
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Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeActually I am Filipino.... Dont judge me by the color of my skin!Posted by TaurusBull1977Because he's a privileged white man who thinks he can walk in my shoes. Whereas ive never stated i can walk in his.
MilanKisses,
But CC is NOT one of those people who are out brutalizing transgenders.
That's the point I was trying to make.
But yet her comment offended you....why?
To the op
Like i said i will always defend against injustice don't mean i have to have the same opinion as you on what makes a man a man and a woman a woman.
Do you.click to expand
Posted by LushThank you Lush
Why can't we just allow her to be who she is--without having to contest it with our own opinions? She opened this thread for us to ask questions from a perspective of a Trans-gendered Female, not for us to tell her why we think her perspective is different than our own. I think this was supposed to be a learning moment for us to know what's like for a Transgender Female, from her point of view, NOT ours. I am sure she has heard it all. We do not need to sound like a broken record.
(Most other threads that started--"Ask an Aqua" we didn't go in there and opposed their entire being and argued why our perspectives were different than an Aqua. No, we gave them space to communicate who they are without us having to contest it. Just noticing the difference...)
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeIt sucks, doesn't it? All you did throughout this thread is spread lies about trans people, pretending you actually understand them. It sucks to have someone lie on you, doesn't it? But what does it matter? As P-Angel said, all that should matter is that you yourself know the truth, right?Posted by LillyPetalYou're a fuking liar. I have zero respect for you.Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeYou need to chill with the testosterone. And you are trying to dictate what a "real woman" is? Pffft!Posted by LillyPetalYou lied on me and i'm throwing a tantrumPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeQuit throwing a tantrumPosted by LillyPetalActually the OP brought up race, but you're a moron, you don't read, you can't comprehend, you're completely irrational. On top of that you're a LIAR. I CANNOT STAND LIARS. ARIES ALWAYS NEED TO LIE TO TRY TO WIN SOME ARGUMENT.Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeActually, you brought up race first to discredit the struggle of trans people. But go on and continue to make this about you.
WHY DO GAY AND TRANSSEXUALS PPL ALWAYS BRING UP THE BLACK EXPERIENCE. WHY? ARE BLACK PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO NOR HAVE THEIR OWN THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON THINGS WITHOUT YOU FUKERS ALWAYS TRYING TO BRING US TO YOUR BS POLITICS.
If gay people actually fought for civil rights i would understand, but they're the most racist people i know.
Now Black gay people are the most woke ppl, I'll ride or die with them, but otherwise stfu
Don't try to pigeonhole black ppl
We can think wtf we want
THIS ISN'T AN ARGUMENT. it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it. Liar
Why are you talking to me . Stop.
I would cut you in the face right now
You stupid weak bytch
Stop talking to me you fuking loser
You can't even have a conversation without lying
You really tried the wrong person
I will never forget thisclick to expand
Don't use the black movement to discredit other people's struggles. It's meant to empower others and serve as hope and an example of what unity can do.
Posted by MilaniKissesBAHAHAHA! Wow. ??Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeActually I am Filipino.... Dont judge me by the color of my skin!Posted by TaurusBull1977Because he's a privileged white man who thinks he can walk in my shoes. Whereas ive never stated i can walk in his.
MilanKisses,
But CC is NOT one of those people who are out brutalizing transgenders.
That's the point I was trying to make.
But yet her comment offended you....why?
To the op
Like i said i will always defend against injustice don't mean i have to have the same opinion as you on what makes a man a man and a woman a woman.
Do you.click to expand
I can't identify with it but, won't knock it either. To each their own
@-Elle,
That doesn't make sense to me. Amy Scumer talks all the time about being fat. Labels don't count if the person claims it as a way to empower themselves.
To use your argument against labels as a way to avoid seeing people for who they are and addressing their concerns and understanding their perspectives...that's just as harmful as someone who uses labels as a weapon.
If the OP wants to talk about her being trans, it makes zero sense for someone to say "HEY! STOP LABELING YOURSELF! I JUST SEE OP!"
If somebody chooses to identify themselves, and you or anyone discriminates, it's more your problem than theirs.
If you were to describe any of those people you listed in your example to someone else - you would use the labels you so despise.
That doesn't make sense to me. Amy Scumer talks all the time about being fat. Labels don't count if the person claims it as a way to empower themselves.
To use your argument against labels as a way to avoid seeing people for who they are and addressing their concerns and understanding their perspectives...that's just as harmful as someone who uses labels as a weapon.
If the OP wants to talk about her being trans, it makes zero sense for someone to say "HEY! STOP LABELING YOURSELF! I JUST SEE OP!"
If somebody chooses to identify themselves, and you or anyone discriminates, it's more your problem than theirs.
If you were to describe any of those people you listed in your example to someone else - you would use the labels you so despise.
Posted by SsupermanYou're awesome.
I can't identify with it but, won't knock it either. To each their own
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I'm commenting to you. Are you able to respond, or can you only get mad at people who don't agree with you? It think it's the later, isn't it?