
I agree with GetMisted - You are pushing your experience on others or trying your hardest to compare it with my experience. There is no relation.



Posted by GlaringTruthNo because I am always open and upfront about who I am.
Every time i saw a thread you created that thought came up in the back of my mind. Be safe out here. Violence against trans people is rough.
My question is have you experienced any retaliation/violence from a guy because he discovered you were trans?

Posted by hydorahNo, I dont feel that astrology has any relation to gender identity.
are there statistically more virgo transgenders?
I could see this being a virgo thing


Posted by P-AngelYea! People know what transgender is are but everyone including you curious about what's between legs!
Why would anyone have questions?
I think we all get what a transgender is, right?
Sounds to me like you have something to say, and so are trying to prompt people into starting the conversation.

Posted by MagicMona"men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part."Posted by LillyPetalthat's the thing. i never said that defines women. are you comprehending or just looking to respond?Posted by MagicMonaThis comment is meant for the OP, but I just want to step in and point out that there are plenty of women who can't have children, who don't have uteruses, or who have had early onset menopause and so don't have periods either. To say that that's what defines a woman is to deny them their womanhood.
i'm trying to articulate my thoughts without coming across as rude. i believe in people living as they want, but i disagree with "woman" and "man" being used so loosely. in your mind, you are a woman, and i'm not here to tell you how to feel or think. but in my small opinion, men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part. you got the opportunity to surpass a lot of what cis females had to endure in order to grow into women. it's kind of hard to accept you as an equal.
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Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeIf the transgendered individual is a woman, and she dates men, then she isn't gay - she's heterosexual.Posted by MilaniKissesIsn't being Trans gendered being gay. I mean you date guysPosted by MyStarsShineNo not at all. Kids identify their gender at a very young age. Look at Jazz Jennings. Her parents knew she was meant to be a girl from a very young age and she has now blossomed into a beautiful young woman.
A woman i know has allowed her teenage daughter to transition from female to male....the op didn't go too well. He is 15. Do you think that is too young to make such a huge change?
She tells me, he has started to wear eyeliner....
As for me, when I came out to my mom that I was transgender, she said "I knew already"... I think its one of those things as parents - they know if their child is gay or for this instance, transgender. Its just a matter of how accepting the parent is of knowing this knowledge and their support/love for their child.
How do men feel when you tell themclick to expand

Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeI'm challenging the arrogant assumption of what a "real woman" is. There is nothing that makes one sound more ignorant than beginning a sentence with "A real...woman/man" or what have you. No. If a woman can't give birth she isn't any less "real" than a woman who has quintuplets.Posted by LillyPetalYou sound stupid a hell. Hmmmmm gonna argue why the sky is blue tooPosted by saweetz1988So a woman who has had a C-section or who can't have babies, isn't "a real woman"? Or is she a "real woman" once she's adopted and raised a child? Or does that not count either?Posted by MagicMonaMan the giving birth part and raising a child.. it takes a real woman... and I wish I can be a man on my next life that's for sure
i'm trying to articulate my thoughts without coming across as rude. i believe in people living as they want, but i disagree with "woman" and "man" being used so loosely. in your mind, you are a woman, and i'm not here to tell you how to feel or think. but in my small opinion, men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part. you got the opportunity to surpass a lot of what cis females had to endure in order to grow into women. it's kind of hard to accept you as an equal.click to expand

Posted by MagicMonaSo you were claiming that that's what defines a woman. Stand by your words.Posted by LillyPetalwhat is a vagina and breasts if they do not do what they are meant to do? they are not there for looks, they serve purposes. same with men. i can make myself a trans man and have the whole shebang - penis, testicles, muscles and all. i can have 'the look', but i will never be able to perform like a man. i cannot get erections, ejaculate or produce sperm. i can feel manly and live that way, but some aspects of manhood will forever be lost to me since i naturally am not one. are we just going by how we feel and want things to be? some things cannot be other things, no matter how hard you try to change them.Posted by MagicMona"men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part."Posted by LillyPetalthat's the thing. i never said that defines women. are you comprehending or just looking to respond?Posted by MagicMonaThis comment is meant for the OP, but I just want to step in and point out that there are plenty of women who can't have children, who don't have uteruses, or who have had early onset menopause and so don't have periods either. To say that that's what defines a woman is to deny them their womanhood.
i'm trying to articulate my thoughts without coming across as rude. i believe in people living as they want, but i disagree with "woman" and "man" being used so loosely. in your mind, you are a woman, and i'm not here to tell you how to feel or think. but in my small opinion, men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part. you got the opportunity to surpass a lot of what cis females had to endure in order to grow into women. it's kind of hard to accept you as an equal.
^^^^^^
Based on what you said above, I'm inferring that you are saying that a vagina and breasts aren't what make a woman: menstrual cycles, wombs, and the act of giving birth do.
I am also disagreeing with that notion that that is what defines a woman.click to expand

Posted by DepthAndDeathHi, yes I think I definitely have more female energies. Being a female now, I feel 'in tuned' with myself.
From your pov as a transgender, what are some feminine energies and masculine energies do you have, and if there has been a significant gap of prominence within you?
I believe every individual have both. With which has different amount level to each one of us.
And so does your transformation is a way for you to promote your feminine energies as opposed to masculine ones?
Does it have anything to do with your sexual preference?

Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeWhat aspect of the biology?Posted by LillyPetalApples and oranges. You're obviously reaching. We're talking about biology difference in women and menPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeI'm challenging the arrogant assumption of what a "real woman" is. There is nothing that makes one sound more ignorant than beginning a sentence with "A real...woman/man" or what have you. No. If a woman can't give birth she isn't any less "real" than a woman who has quintuplets.Posted by LillyPetalYou sound stupid a hell. Hmmmmm gonna argue why the sky is blue tooPosted by saweetz1988So a woman who has had a C-section or who can't have babies, isn't "a real woman"? Or is she a "real woman" once she's adopted and raised a child? Or does that not count either?Posted by MagicMonaMan the giving birth part and raising a child.. it takes a real woman... and I wish I can be a man on my next life that's for sure
i'm trying to articulate my thoughts without coming across as rude. i believe in people living as they want, but i disagree with "woman" and "man" being used so loosely. in your mind, you are a woman, and i'm not here to tell you how to feel or think. but in my small opinion, men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part. you got the opportunity to surpass a lot of what cis females had to endure in order to grow into women. it's kind of hard to accept you as an equal.
Not womb issues of women.
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Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeWhat do you mean "born chemically"? That's both reductive and incorrect. Do you think gender and sex are one in the same?Posted by LillyPetalA man born chemically as a man is a man. If he gets surgery he's closer to being a woman but not a man, so yes the person with him is not gay, because he's having sex in a vaginaPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeIf the transgendered individual is a woman, and she dates men, then she isn't gay - she's heterosexual.Posted by MilaniKissesIsn't being Trans gendered being gay. I mean you date guysPosted by MyStarsShineNo not at all. Kids identify their gender at a very young age. Look at Jazz Jennings. Her parents knew she was meant to be a girl from a very young age and she has now blossomed into a beautiful young woman.
A woman i know has allowed her teenage daughter to transition from female to male....the op didn't go too well. He is 15. Do you think that is too young to make such a huge change?
She tells me, he has started to wear eyeliner....
As for me, when I came out to my mom that I was transgender, she said "I knew already"... I think its one of those things as parents - they know if their child is gay or for this instance, transgender. Its just a matter of how accepting the parent is of knowing this knowledge and their support/love for their child.
How do men feel when you tell them
Not only referring to you, but it takes effort to try and understand instead of clinging to personal prejudices and fallacies because it's about accepting that people are complex and the world isn't as black and white as many of us (myself included) were raised to believe because it's what's convenient. An LGBTQ activist came to campus and presented a seminar that cleared all of that confusion up. I went in with a similar ignorant thought processes as some of the posters here and I left more enlightened. The trick is to go in assuming you're wrong and ask questions correct yourself.
But the man is still a man. His DNA hasn't changed only the superficial parts
He can act more woman than a woman but biologically he's still a manclick to expand

Posted by MagicMonaThank you
no offense to the OP. we have our own thoughts on this topic, but i'm not here to down her. you took on the challenge of being a woman, so props to you.

Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeTHAT is the point - I don't get to define that for you. You don't get to define that for the OP. Society doesn't get to define that for any of us.Posted by LillyPetalWhat defines a woman? Please do tell, since ignorant is so prevalent in youPosted by MagicMona"men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part."Posted by LillyPetalthat's the thing. i never said that defines women. are you comprehending or just looking to respond?Posted by MagicMonaThis comment is meant for the OP, but I just want to step in and point out that there are plenty of women who can't have children, who don't have uteruses, or who have had early onset menopause and so don't have periods either. To say that that's what defines a woman is to deny them their womanhood.
i'm trying to articulate my thoughts without coming across as rude. i believe in people living as they want, but i disagree with "woman" and "man" being used so loosely. in your mind, you are a woman, and i'm not here to tell you how to feel or think. but in my small opinion, men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part. you got the opportunity to surpass a lot of what cis females had to endure in order to grow into women. it's kind of hard to accept you as an equal.
^^^^^^
Based on what you said above, I'm inferring that you are saying that a vagina and breasts aren't what make a woman: menstrual cycles, wombs, and the act of giving birth do.
I am also disagreeing with your notion that that is what defines a woman.click to expand

Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeNo, because a person can be born with male genitalia, but feel female but still be attracted to men.Posted by LillyPetalI would say physiology and brain chemicals.Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeWhat aspect of the biology?Posted by LillyPetalApples and oranges. You're obviously reaching. We're talking about biology difference in women and menPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeI'm challenging the arrogant assumption of what a "real woman" is. There is nothing that makes one sound more ignorant than beginning a sentence with "A real...woman/man" or what have you. No. If a woman can't give birth she isn't any less "real" than a woman who has quintuplets.Posted by LillyPetalYou sound stupid a hell. Hmmmmm gonna argue why the sky is blue tooPosted by saweetz1988So a woman who has had a C-section or who can't have babies, isn't "a real woman"? Or is she a "real woman" once she's adopted and raised a child? Or does that not count either?Posted by MagicMonaMan the giving birth part and raising a child.. it takes a real woman... and I wish I can be a man on my next life that's for sure
i'm trying to articulate my thoughts without coming across as rude. i believe in people living as they want, but i disagree with "woman" and "man" being used so loosely. in your mind, you are a woman, and i'm not here to tell you how to feel or think. but in my small opinion, men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part. you got the opportunity to surpass a lot of what cis females had to endure in order to grow into women. it's kind of hard to accept you as an equal.
Not womb issues of women.
If it's not natural it's not natural
Transgendered are gay people who want to be a different gender.
They are not heterosexual wanting to be a different gender.
Chemically they're born gay than they decide i want to be a man or a woman
I think it's a coping mechanism
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Posted by MagicMonaUsing skin tone to talk about race is also false and, unfortunately, that ignorance is also rampant.Posted by LillyPetalhow about you stop trying to twist and make them mean what you want them to mean? anyway, body changes do not make you what you aren't. example, a white woman recently tanned her skin and kinked her hair so she could identify as black. despite what she feels like she is, in truth, her dna says she is a white woman and will always be a white woman. some things do not change. bodily purposes don't either. let's face it, there are things men have that make them men. there are things women have that make them women. a man has erectile dysfunction, but at one point in time he had a working, functioning penis. unlike transmen, who never had and never will have one. unless there is a miraculous breakthrough in technology. so, how, in what way, are they real men? they are not. they are synthetic. i dont care how you dress it up, some things are what they are.Posted by MagicMonaSo you were claiming that that's what defines a woman. Stand by your words.Posted by LillyPetalwhat is a vagina and breasts if they do not do what they are meant to do? they are not there for looks, they serve purposes. same with men. i can make myself a trans man and have the whole shebang - penis, testicles, muscles and all. i can have 'the look', but i will never be able to perform like a man. i cannot get erections, ejaculate or produce sperm. i can feel manly and live that way, but some aspects of manhood will forever be lost to me since i naturally am not one. are we just going by how we feel and want things to be? some things cannot be other things, no matter how hard you try to change them.Posted by MagicMona"men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part."Posted by LillyPetalthat's the thing. i never said that defines women. are you comprehending or just looking to respond?Posted by MagicMonaThis comment is meant for the OP, but I just want to step in and point out that there are plenty of women who can't have children, who don't have uteruses, or who have had early onset menopause and so don't have periods either. To say that that's what defines a woman is to deny them their womanhood.
i'm trying to articulate my thoughts without coming across as rude. i believe in people living as they want, but i disagree with "woman" and "man" being used so loosely. in your mind, you are a woman, and i'm not here to tell you how to feel or think. but in my small opinion, men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part. you got the opportunity to surpass a lot of what cis females had to endure in order to grow into women. it's kind of hard to accept you as an equal.
^^^^^^
Based on what you said above, I'm inferring that you are saying that a vagina and breasts aren't what make a woman: menstrual cycles, wombs, and the act of giving birth do.
I am also disagreeing with that notion that that is what defines a woman.
If a man has erectile dysfunction, is he any less "real"? That argument is false intrinsically. Plenty of women have breast that don't produce milk - so the breasts aren't doing "what they are supposed to do." So, are they not "real women"?
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Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeOkay, so if my brain chemistry is telling me I'm a man, but I have a vagina - then what?Posted by LillyPetalI mean brain chemistry has alot to do with how you see yourself.Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeWhat do you mean "born chemically"? That's both reductive and incorrect. Do you think gender and sex are one in the same?Posted by LillyPetalA man born chemically as a man is a man. If he gets surgery he's closer to being a woman but not a man, so yes the person with him is not gay, because he's having sex in a vaginaPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeIf the transgendered individual is a woman, and she dates men, then she isn't gay - she's heterosexual.Posted by MilaniKissesIsn't being Trans gendered being gay. I mean you date guysPosted by MyStarsShineNo not at all. Kids identify their gender at a very young age. Look at Jazz Jennings. Her parents knew she was meant to be a girl from a very young age and she has now blossomed into a beautiful young woman.
A woman i know has allowed her teenage daughter to transition from female to male....the op didn't go too well. He is 15. Do you think that is too young to make such a huge change?
She tells me, he has started to wear eyeliner....
As for me, when I came out to my mom that I was transgender, she said "I knew already"... I think its one of those things as parents - they know if their child is gay or for this instance, transgender. Its just a matter of how accepting the parent is of knowing this knowledge and their support/love for their child.
How do men feel when you tell them
Not only referring to you, but it takes effort to try and understand instead of clinging to personal prejudices and fallacies because it's about accepting that people are complex and the world isn't as black and white as many of us (myself included) were raised to believe because it's what's convenient. An LGBTQ activist came to campus and presented a seminar that cleared all of that confusion up. I went in with a similar ignorant thought processes as some of the posters here and I left more enlightened. The trick is to go in assuming you're wrong and ask questions correct yourself.
But the man is still a man. His DNA hasn't changed only the superficial parts
He can act more woman than a woman but biologically he's still a manclick to expand

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
You're a man. That makes sense. Something off about your pic.
Wow

Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html![]()
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*

Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeSince you agree that gender and sex are different - if I'm mentally male (gender) and I'm born with a vagina (sex) but I'm attracted to women, then I'm heterosexual when I get surgery to align my gender to my sex.Posted by LillyPetalYou're a gay man who will eventually wear high heels and get something done to your woooo haPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeOkay, so if my brain chemistry is telling me I'm a man, but I have a vagina - then what?Posted by LillyPetalI mean brain chemistry has alot to do with how you see yourself.Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeWhat do you mean "born chemically"? That's both reductive and incorrect. Do you think gender and sex are one in the same?Posted by LillyPetalA man born chemically as a man is a man. If he gets surgery he's closer to being a woman but not a man, so yes the person with him is not gay, because he's having sex in a vaginaPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeIf the transgendered individual is a woman, and she dates men, then she isn't gay - she's heterosexual.Posted by MilaniKissesIsn't being Trans gendered being gay. I mean you date guysPosted by MyStarsShineNo not at all. Kids identify their gender at a very young age. Look at Jazz Jennings. Her parents knew she was meant to be a girl from a very young age and she has now blossomed into a beautiful young woman.
A woman i know has allowed her teenage daughter to transition from female to male....the op didn't go too well. He is 15. Do you think that is too young to make such a huge change?
She tells me, he has started to wear eyeliner....
As for me, when I came out to my mom that I was transgender, she said "I knew already"... I think its one of those things as parents - they know if their child is gay or for this instance, transgender. Its just a matter of how accepting the parent is of knowing this knowledge and their support/love for their child.
How do men feel when you tell them
Not only referring to you, but it takes effort to try and understand instead of clinging to personal prejudices and fallacies because it's about accepting that people are complex and the world isn't as black and white as many of us (myself included) were raised to believe because it's what's convenient. An LGBTQ activist came to campus and presented a seminar that cleared all of that confusion up. I went in with a similar ignorant thought processes as some of the posters here and I left more enlightened. The trick is to go in assuming you're wrong and ask questions correct yourself.
But the man is still a man. His DNA hasn't changed only the superficial parts
He can act more woman than a woman but biologically he's still a man
As heterosexuals who were born with our gender and sex matching, we will NEVER truly understand what it means to have that struggle.
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Posted by MyStarsShineIMO I think doing permanent physical changes before 18 is not advisable. Let your kid dress in the way they feel best, sure. But don't let them damage themselves irreversibly. Hormones are going crazy at those ages...best to wait until they grow into adulthood first.
A woman i know has allowed her teenage daughter to transition from female to male....the op didn't go too well. He is 15. Do you think that is too young to make such a huge change?
She tells me, he has started to wear eyeliner....


Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by MyStarsShineIMO I think doing permanent physical changes before 18 is not advisable. Let your kid dress in the way they feel best, sure. But don't let them damage themselves irreversibly. Hormones are going crazy at those ages...best to wait until they grow into adulthood first.
A woman i know has allowed her teenage daughter to transition from female to male....the op didn't go too well. He is 15. Do you think that is too young to make such a huge change?
She tells me, he has started to wear eyeliner....click to expand

Posted by MagicMonaUsing a weak argument to try and justify your even weaker argument...Posted by LillyPetaluh genius, the woman was white. she wanted to live as a black person. instead of being like a fly stuck on shit, go tell that to the person who wrote the news article. dont bitch at the messenger.Posted by MagicMonaUsing skin tone to talk about race is also false and, unfortunately, that ignorance is also rampant.Posted by LillyPetalhow about you stop trying to twist and make them mean what you want them to mean? anyway, body changes do not make you what you aren't. example, a white woman recently tanned her skin and kinked her hair so she could identify as black. despite what she feels like she is, in truth, her dna says she is a white woman and will always be a white woman. some things do not change. bodily purposes don't either. let's face it, there are things men have that make them men. there are things women have that make them women. a man has erectile dysfunction, but at one point in time he had a working, functioning penis. unlike transmen, who never had and never will have one. unless there is a miraculous breakthrough in technology. so, how, in what way, are they real men? they are not. they are synthetic. i dont care how you dress it up, some things are what they are.Posted by MagicMonaSo you were claiming that that's what defines a woman. Stand by your words.Posted by LillyPetalwhat is a vagina and breasts if they do not do what they are meant to do? they are not there for looks, they serve purposes. same with men. i can make myself a trans man and have the whole shebang - penis, testicles, muscles and all. i can have 'the look', but i will never be able to perform like a man. i cannot get erections, ejaculate or produce sperm. i can feel manly and live that way, but some aspects of manhood will forever be lost to me since i naturally am not one. are we just going by how we feel and want things to be? some things cannot be other things, no matter how hard you try to change them.Posted by MagicMona"men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part."Posted by LillyPetalthat's the thing. i never said that defines women. are you comprehending or just looking to respond?Posted by MagicMonaThis comment is meant for the OP, but I just want to step in and point out that there are plenty of women who can't have children, who don't have uteruses, or who have had early onset menopause and so don't have periods either. To say that that's what defines a woman is to deny them their womanhood.
i'm trying to articulate my thoughts without coming across as rude. i believe in people living as they want, but i disagree with "woman" and "man" being used so loosely. in your mind, you are a woman, and i'm not here to tell you how to feel or think. but in my small opinion, men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part. you got the opportunity to surpass a lot of what cis females had to endure in order to grow into women. it's kind of hard to accept you as an equal.
^^^^^^
Based on what you said above, I'm inferring that you are saying that a vagina and breasts aren't what make a woman: menstrual cycles, wombs, and the act of giving birth do.
I am also disagreeing with that notion that that is what defines a woman.
If a man has erectile dysfunction, is he any less "real"? That argument is false intrinsically. Plenty of women have breast that don't produce milk - so the breasts aren't doing "what they are supposed to do." So, are they not "real women"?
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Posted by -elle-Wouldn't it be easier to just conform and NOT go to such lengths? Society would much rather beautiful trans people did not exist. Wouldn't it be easier to not do the very thing that puts one at risk of being targeted and astrocized and abused? It baffles me how few people ask: Why do they still do it when the world makes it so hard for them?Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.click to expand


Posted by MilaniKissesI support your decision to be a transgender.
Similar Issues as blacks experienced:
*Bathroom Issues
*Judgement By Society
*Society judging straight men who date transgender women (Like the whole interracial issue from back in the day)
* Everyday hate crimes - Transgender folks get brutally murdered or beaten up for no reason except for the fact that they are transgender
* Being looked at as a lower part of society
* Constant torment from IGNORANT people who are closed minded and "stuck in the south"

Posted by MagicMona*smiles*Posted by LillyPetalhmm...my argument is weak but you cant help but to quote everything i say. hmmm. me thinks if my words and beliefs were so ignorant and weak, surely a mental giant like you could easily skip over my nonsense. hmmm. attention seeking much? or are you that self centered and utterly stupid that you really will attempt to derail OP's thread by wrongly attacking everything i say just because you dont like it? triggered much, or are you really that stupid, narcissist, or childish? why the hate Lily? are you feeling threatened by opinions that don't match up with yours? you want to talk about live and let live, yet your hypocritical ass stay doing the opposite every time you get a stick up your ass from differences of expression and opinion. get your life bitch.Posted by MagicMonaUsing a weak argument to try and justify your even weaker argument...Posted by LillyPetaluh genius, the woman was white. she wanted to live as a black person. instead of being like a fly stuck on shit, go tell that to the person who wrote the news article. dont bitch at the messenger.Posted by MagicMonaUsing skin tone to talk about race is also false and, unfortunately, that ignorance is also rampant.Posted by LillyPetalhow about you stop trying to twist and make them mean what you want them to mean? anyway, body changes do not make you what you aren't. example, a white woman recently tanned her skin and kinked her hair so she could identify as black. despite what she feels like she is, in truth, her dna says she is a white woman and will always be a white woman. some things do not change. bodily purposes don't either. let's face it, there are things men have that make them men. there are things women have that make them women. a man has erectile dysfunction, but at one point in time he had a working, functioning penis. unlike transmen, who never had and never will have one. unless there is a miraculous breakthrough in technology. so, how, in what way, are they real men? they are not. they are synthetic. i dont care how you dress it up, some things are what they are.Posted by MagicMonaSo you were claiming that that's what defines a woman. Stand by your words.Posted by LillyPetalwhat is a vagina and breasts if they do not do what they are meant to do? they are not there for looks, they serve purposes. same with men. i can make myself a trans man and have the whole shebang - penis, testicles, muscles and all. i can have 'the look', but i will never be able to perform like a man. i cannot get erections, ejaculate or produce sperm. i can feel manly and live that way, but some aspects of manhood will forever be lost to me since i naturally am not one. are we just going by how we feel and want things to be? some things cannot be other things, no matter how hard you try to change them.Posted by MagicMona"men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part."Posted by LillyPetalthat's the thing. i never said that defines women. are you comprehending or just looking to respond?Posted by MagicMonaThis comment is meant for the OP, but I just want to step in and point out that there are plenty of women who can't have children, who don't have uteruses, or who have had early onset menopause and so don't have periods either. To say that that's what defines a woman is to deny them their womanhood.
i'm trying to articulate my thoughts without coming across as rude. i believe in people living as they want, but i disagree with "woman" and "man" being used so loosely. in your mind, you are a woman, and i'm not here to tell you how to feel or think. but in my small opinion, men can never really change themselves into women. you don't have a menstrual. you do not have a womb. you cannot give birth. you don't experience a lot of what natural born women go through physically. i'm not saying this in any bad way; i just feel like being a woman is more than a "feeling" and shaping one's body to look the part. you got the opportunity to surpass a lot of what cis females had to endure in order to grow into women. it's kind of hard to accept you as an equal.
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Based on what you said above, I'm inferring that you are saying that a vagina and breasts aren't what make a woman: menstrual cycles, wombs, and the act of giving birth do.
I am also disagreeing with that notion that that is what defines a woman.
If a man has erectile dysfunction, is he any less "real"? That argument is false intrinsically. Plenty of women have breast that don't produce milk - so the breasts aren't doing "what they are supposed to do." So, are they not "real women"?
Why the hate? Feel threatened? Let the OP live her life. This thread was about asking her questions, not about coming in here and clinging stubbornly to the ignorance you were raised to believe.
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Posted by EffervescentIf transitioning is what society wants? Then why the societal backlash?Posted by -elle-Posted by LillyPetalSociety pressures such as defining what a man and woman are 'supposed' to look like.Posted by -elle-Societal pressures?
I have to agree with Mona on her stance, and I'm not being rude or disrespectful. Why go to such great lengths (medication and physical surgeries)?
I understand societal pressures and the need to fit in but isn't this taking it to the end degree?
I also really don't understand the hypocrisy of this.
When someone speaks against ignorance of those having issues with this....this woman comes to mind.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/rachel-dolezal-white-woman-who-identifies-as-black-now-jobless-may-soon-be-homeless.html
....and it takes me back the thread where people were bashing her.
Why do we pick and choose who gets "accepted" into society or not?
When everyone should just live their life and not give two cents of what other people are choosing to do with theirs.
Personally, I do not care what anyone has in their pants, who they are screwing, who they identify with...it's all their own personal life journey. *shrugs*
Society pressures transgendered to shut up and to NOT go through such lengths to feel at peace with themselves.
The fact that people go through so much and risk so much hate, intolerance, judgement, and violence speaks volumes to how important it is to them to live their lives as they choose.
Society pressures that say men wear pants and women wear dresses.
Society pressures that say girls play with dolls and men play with tonka trucks.
THOSE societal pressures. if they weren't there...people wouldn't go to great lengths to look like society expects them to look as a man or woman.
This is me x10000000000
I see where the OP is coming from and respect her life and views but I live by this.
So because I'm a man I have to dress a certain way? Be good at sports? Do "manly" things? Not wear what I want to wear? And because you're a woman you have to be "ladylike," a housewife, a chef, a professional cleaner, etc and god forbid you don't wear make up or dress "the part" of being a woman.
So if you don't fit into society's label of what a man or a woman should be then you're not a real man or a real woman—?? So you must transition?
This is my belief
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Posted by LillyPetal
@MilaniKisses
You are beautiful. You are a woman. You define who you want to be. Don't let anyone steal your shine - especially not people on DXPnef. Thank you for being an example for how to live one's truth and how to stand strong against hatred and ignorance. ❤


Posted by MyStarsShine"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Dr. King
If we don't accept people for who they are, how they look, choose to live etc, we are choosing to be prejudice. This is reverting back to the 60's and the 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' mentality
Offensive, small minded and cruel and gives angry people an excuse to vent their frustration on others

Posted by LillyPetalPosted by MyStarsShine"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Dr. King
If we don't accept people for who they are, how they look, choose to live etc, we are choosing to be prejudice. This is reverting back to the 60's and the 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' mentality
Offensive, small minded and cruel and gives angry people an excuse to vent their frustration on others
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Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeThank You.Posted by TaurusBull1977It's even worse for black transgendered .Posted by MilaniKissesI support your decision to be a transgender.
Similar Issues as blacks experienced:
*Bathroom Issues
*Judgement By Society
*Society judging straight men who date transgender women (Like the whole interracial issue from back in the day)
* Everyday hate crimes - Transgender folks get brutally murdered or beaten up for no reason except for the fact that they are transgender
* Being looked at as a lower part of society
* Constant torment from IGNORANT people who are closed minded and "stuck in the south"
No judgements there.
However, being a transgender does not equate to being Black.
Being a transgender is a choice.
Being a Black isn't, regardless of gender identity.
Whether a Black person is transgender, male, female, straight, gay, bi....same discrimination rule still applies.
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Posted by MyStarsShineI know in some other countries, in order to get funds through insurance for operation, you go through intense and thorough psych evaluations before your granted the funds. I think in England and Australia...maybe new zealand. Can't remember where exactly tbh.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by MyStarsShineIMO I think doing permanent physical changes before 18 is not advisable. Let your kid dress in the way they feel best, sure. But don't let them damage themselves irreversibly. Hormones are going crazy at those ages...best to wait until they grow into adulthood first.
A woman i know has allowed her teenage daughter to transition from female to male....the op didn't go too well. He is 15. Do you think that is too young to make such a huge change?
She tells me, he has started to wear eyeliner....
Exactly what our son and I were saying Lady
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Posted by TaurusBull1977It seems her original commment was edited while being quoted. She saidPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeThank You.Posted by TaurusBull1977It's even worse for black transgendered .Posted by MilaniKissesI support your decision to be a transgender.
Similar Issues as blacks experienced:
*Bathroom Issues
*Judgement By Society
*Society judging straight men who date transgender women (Like the whole interracial issue from back in the day)
* Everyday hate crimes - Transgender folks get brutally murdered or beaten up for no reason except for the fact that they are transgender
* Being looked at as a lower part of society
* Constant torment from IGNORANT people who are closed minded and "stuck in the south"
No judgements there.
However, being a transgender does not equate to being Black.
Being a transgender is a choice.
Being a Black isn't, regardless of gender identity.
Whether a Black person is transgender, male, female, straight, gay, bi....same discrimination rule still applies.
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Posted by LillyPetalRight - If you identify as male (born as a female) and your female partner sees you as a man - then yes, you are heterosexual. Genitalia does not define one's gender identity.
OP, is my following statement incorrect? Please correct me if I'm wrong. ?
"Since you agree that gender and sex are different - if I'm mentally male (gender) and I'm born with a vagina (sex) but I'm attracted to women, then I'm heterosexual when I get surgery to align my gender to my sex."

Posted by MilaniKissesUnderstood, thank you! You need to say it again for those in the back. 😄Posted by LillyPetalRight - If you identify as male (born as a female) and your female partner sees you as a man - then yes, you are heterosexual. Genitalia does not define one's gender identity.
OP, is my following statement incorrect? Please correct me if I'm wrong. ?
"Since you agree that gender and sex are different - if I'm mentally male (gender) and I'm born with a vagina (sex) but I'm attracted to women, then I'm heterosexual when I get surgery to align my gender to my sex."click to expand

Posted by LillyPetalThank you Lilly for clarifying this for Caramel.Posted by TaurusBull1977It seems her original commment was edited while being quoted. She saidPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeThank You.Posted by TaurusBull1977It's even worse for black transgendered .Posted by MilaniKissesI support your decision to be a transgender.
Similar Issues as blacks experienced:
*Bathroom Issues
*Judgement By Society
*Society judging straight men who date transgender women (Like the whole interracial issue from back in the day)
* Everyday hate crimes - Transgender folks get brutally murdered or beaten up for no reason except for the fact that they are transgender
* Being looked at as a lower part of society
* Constant torment from IGNORANT people who are closed minded and "stuck in the south"
No judgements there.
However, being a transgender does not equate to being Black.
Being a transgender is a choice.
Being a Black isn't, regardless of gender identity.
Whether a Black person is transgender, male, female, straight, gay, bi....same discrimination rule still applies.
"As a black person, you'd think you would be more sensitive as transgender folks today are going through similar issues that blacks went through. I am not saying race is the same topic here, but sir, practice what your supposedly preach!"
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Posted by LillyPetalThank you Lilly!
@MilaniKisses
You are beautiful. You are a woman. You define who you want to be. Don't let anyone steal your shine - especially not people on DXPnef. Thank you for being an example for how to live one's truth and how to stand strong against hatred and ignorance. ❤

Posted by Fun4LifeWait - I cant tell if that is a positive comment or negative?Posted by MilaniKissesO-M-G.Posted by LillyPetalRight - If you identify as male (born as a female) and your female partner sees you as a man - then yes, you are heterosexual. Genitalia does not define one's gender identity.
OP, is my following statement incorrect? Please correct me if I'm wrong. ?
"Since you agree that gender and sex are different - if I'm mentally male (gender) and I'm born with a vagina (sex) but I'm attracted to women, then I'm heterosexual when I get surgery to align my gender to my sex."
You've been fed and drank, the entire water tower of kool-aide. Spiked
Rationalization is the 2nd most powerful human drive.
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Posted by DastardlyTaurusBull - If you had fully read my comment, and not just the cutout Caramel put - I stated that I understand that race is different, however, there are some relations to what Transgenders are facing today.Posted by TaurusBull1977Posted by MilaniKissesBeing a transgender is a choice.
Similar Issues as blacks experienced:
*Bathroom Issues
*Judgement By Society
*Society judging straight men who date transgender women (Like the whole interracial issue from back in the day)
* Everyday hate crimes - Transgender folks get brutally murdered or beaten up for no reason except for the fact that they are transgender
* Being looked at as a lower part of society
* Constant torment from IGNORANT people who are closed minded and "stuck in the south"
Being a Black isn't, regardless of gender identity.
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Posted by LillyPetalPosted by P-AngelI believe our inner selves deal with energy, both the masculine energy and feminine energy. It is not the same as how we predominantly feel. I mostly feel feminine, and so I am physically woman and it aligns and is in harmony. I can't speak about what it's like to feel feminine, yet have my outward appearance conflict with that. The only thing I can relate it to is the cognitive dissonance I experience any time I do something that goes against my inner moral values. Or, when people misjudge me based on my appearance - it is everyone's desire to correct someone else's misconception of him or her because it is important to humans to be seen as they wish to be seen and to be treated as they want to be treated. Heck, people are even proud of their astrological placmements and go through a process to know excalty what they are. Why not just choose the sign you most feel like and live by that? Why the need to correct people if they call you a Gemini when you're an Aries, for example? Identity is a powerful thing. Satisfying ones ego (ego has been stigmatized to being a dirty word) is part of human psychology and we all do it.Posted by LillyPetalPosted by P-AngelIt is very important to have harmony between our inner selves and our outward existence.
Your soul is androgynous ... the only thing you've accomplished is satisfying the ego consciousness.
How you appear to others, in form ..... has no meaning to the true self.
or whether it's to become physically a woman so that society treats you as you are.
Every person's inner self is both males and female ... the harmony existed before you were even born.
My thoughts remain ... I see no point in changing your gender to satisfy the ego, and especially not for the purposes of acceptance by society.
I've not met a person yet, who doesn't feel both feminine and masculine at certain given times and situations .. and that's because the soul isn't specifically gendered one way or the other.
I just don't see a rational reason for it, other than to prove something to others. If you know who you are, but, you're not going to live by that ... then what's the point of even having your life? ... if you're not going to live by the knowing of who you are, and you have to prove shit to other people to feel valued?
::::: shakes head ::::::
In the scheme of what's important in life ... gender is not one of them, specifying a particular gender is irrelevant.
Dismissing how society treats us as being irrelevant is reckless because, whether we like it or not, we are social animals and our identity isn't entirely our own. Part of our identity is shaped by how society treats us and the expectations it has of us. So, if an innocent man goes his entire life being treated as a criminal, he will carry a strong desire for the world to know he's innocent because only knowing it himself is not enough because how he's treated isnt in harmony with his inner knowledge of his innocence.
What do we say to people who have been born with both sexual reproductive organs? I can't pretend to begin to understand what the transgendered community goes though because I will never have to make such a tough decision. I'm sure most people would choose the easier path, the path that doesn't lead to societal outrage and discrimination or negative familial backlash. I certainly don't remember being asked if I wanted to be a heterosexual female.
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Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
I'm a woman and not a sir and i believe in trans rights and that you should do what you feel. I will always support minority groups especially when it concerns injustice not because I'm Black but because I'm human.
But my opinon on this is.
you're not a woman, i don't care how much estrogen you take, the boob job, etc
I have a right to my opinion.
And don't try to use race cause gay ppl are racist as hell.
So you can stfu
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