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What are you thoughts on a Murderer Murdering in Prison?-. “In for a penny, in for a pound.”
if you touch kids, you dont get sympathy from me
Posted by Nadiakalidescope
Considering the prison system is supposed to be about rehabilitation it makes me sad. No one is rehabilitating if they're repeat offending
This is like a catch 22
Posted by Antiphates
I'm against it.
Why? You talk about past wars, and even have had user names that were emperors and conquerors. They killed masses of people.
Why is this murder different from a murder in a war? It's still fighting a cause for the greater good.
What happens behind bars stays behind bars. It happens and I'm not going to think about it - what fascinates me is that people who murder others have a huge problem with people who hurt children. Like they do have some morals left in there somewhere. I guess some people just snap and kill someone else and pay the price and these people are remorseful. Why not when you are already doomed to a life in prison I guess right. I don't think the high serial killers and total murderers just for the sake of it give a crap.
Posted by ArilovesAqu
I’ve been watching I’m A Killer on Netflix and I don’t know if I’m gullible (I am) but they all have horrible stories of abuse.
we reap what we sow
Posted by NadiakalidescopePosted by saggurl88Posted by Nadiakalidescope
Considering the prison system is supposed to be about rehabilitation it makes me sad. No one is rehabilitating if they're repeat offending
This is like a catch 22
Yea, but does imply damned if you do damned if you don't? Idk.click to expand
They were damned from the start.
Posted by akituPosted by the_verdictofkiki
dang look at the top comment
"I’ve worked as a psychologist in the prison system for many years. Most of the people in prison were victims of childhood trauma. There is a reason that being a child molester is the worst thing you can be in prison. Once that target is on your back you don’t last long."
I think it doesn’t make sense to put these triggers in front of already violent people he probably honestly couldn’t stop himself. I don’t really care that those scum bag died. Murder is wrong but I would count this as manslaughter or temporary insanity through provocationclick to expand
I agree with this! He gave plenty of warnings that he didn't want to be there and then was taunted and triggered.
Posted by ArilovesAquPosted by notreallyPosted by ArilovesAqu
I’ve been watching I’m A Killer on Netflix and I don’t know if I’m gullible (I am) but they all have horrible stories of abuse.
we reap what we sow
Isn’t it just a sick cycle of abuse though? They are abused by their care givers so they in turn abuse people, go to jail and are abused (or murdered) by other people who were abused.
The lack of mental health treatment terrifies me. I think that’s why a majority of people in prison ended up there. If they aren’t mentally ill when they get there they usually are by the time they get out.click to expand
Not every child who grows up abused becomes an abuser. But I do agree about the focus on mental health. For me, it's not just about the treatment after the fact. I think that's a task that is overwhelming. It's about the fact - the reason the cause. It's generation after generation of people who are not quite right. Instability in the home life. Drugs, alcohol, gambling, poverty, mental illness, etc. How can we get people to stop trying to raise children when they are not right themselves. There are many poor people who are still good people. There are lots of people who have the means who are not quite right either.
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Posted by ArilovesAquPosted by notreallyPosted by ArilovesAquPosted by notreallyPosted by ArilovesAqu
I’ve been watching I’m A Killer on Netflix and I don’t know if I’m gullible (I am) but they all have horrible stories of abuse.
we reap what we sow
Isn’t it just a sick cycle of abuse though? They are abused by their care givers so they in turn abuse people, go to jail and are abused (or murdered) by other people who were abused.
The lack of mental health treatment terrifies me. I think that’s why a majority of people in prison ended up there. If they aren’t mentally ill when they get there they usually are by the time they get out.
Not every child who grows up abused becomes an abuser. But I do agree about the focus on mental health. For me, it's not just about the treatment after the fact. I think that's a task that is overwhelming. It's about the fact - the reason the cause. It's generation after generation of people who are not quite right. Instability in the home life. Drugs, alcohol, gambling, poverty, mental illness, etc. How can we get people to stop trying to raise children when they are not right themselves. There are many poor people who are still good people. There are lots of people who have the means who are not quite right either.
You’re right, I don’t think all victims of abuse become abusers, if that’s how it came across....I didn’t mean that.
I was referencing the Netflix show in my OP. All of the murderers claim to have suffered abuse. I say claim because some of their family members dispute their accounts of abuse. That’s why I said too, I’m not sure if I’m gullible because I believe them.
Either way, I agree with you on your other points too. My family has a history of alcohol abuse that goes back multiple generations.click to expand
I do believe I've seen some documentaries where there was no parental abuse and the child turned out to be a serial killer. There are a gazillion variables. In the instance I'm thinking of which was Dahmer or another big one, they were into killing animals when they were children. There are signs and if parents are so self absorbed that they don't recognize them … and if they do believe there is something wrong what do you actually do to a child … so much slips through the cracks with us hoomans …
I’m always amazed by the amount of people who are okay with prison justice. If your principles don’t apply to the worst of society, then can they really be considered principles?
I can’t get behind the idea of punishing child molestors by supporting the commission of another violent crime.
These people have been given their sentence and they are serving it. If we think the punishment should be stronger, then make them stronger, but it’s not up to the prisoners to administer punishments “on behalf of society” (which I think is bogus, anyway). These people are no heroes and shouldn’t be hailed as such.
I can’t get behind the idea of punishing child molestors by supporting the commission of another violent crime.
These people have been given their sentence and they are serving it. If we think the punishment should be stronger, then make them stronger, but it’s not up to the prisoners to administer punishments “on behalf of society” (which I think is bogus, anyway). These people are no heroes and shouldn’t be hailed as such.
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If you don’t want that fate then don’t be shady and end up in prison for such a reason whether you actually did it or not. Clearly there was enough shadiness and doubt in these accused child molesters.
Posted by Neno2Posted by saggurl88
I haven't looked up who he actually killed, but was happy at the thought of him killing child molesters who would probably be let loose again, while he sat in prison for 1 murder for the rest of his life.Inmate confesses killing 2 molesters in letter to newspaper.
Watson wrote that six days after he arrived at the prison, a child molester moved into the pod. Watson believed the man began taunting other inmates by watching children's television programming. Watson said in the letter he couldn't sleep that night “having not done what every instinct told me I should’ve done right then and there."
Two hours before the attacks the next day, Watson told a prison counselor that he urgently needed to be transferred back to higher-level security “before I really (expletive) one of these dudes up,” but the counselor “scoffed and dismissed" him.
Watson said he returned to his housing pod.
“I was mulling it all over when along came Molester #1 and he put his TV right on PBS Kids again,” he wrote, according to the newspaper chain. “But this time, someone else said something to the effect of ‘Is this guy really going to watch this right in front of us?’ and I recall saying, ‘I got this.’ And I picked up the cane and went to work on him.”
Watson said he then left the housing pod to find a guard and turn himself in, but on the way, he saw “a known child trafficker, and I figured I’d just do everybody a favor,” Watson wrote. “In for a penny, in for a pound.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-california-prisoner-confesses-killing-030850250.html
a murderer murdering people is normal,its his job,thats why hes called a murdererclick to expand
I have a very hard time having sympathy for anyone who harms children. I can’t act like that doesn’t make me feel a certain degree of relief knowing one more predator can’t hurt anyone anymore.
Posted by Nadiakalidescope
Considering the prison system is supposed to be about rehabilitation it makes me sad. No one is rehabilitating if they're repeat offending
The prison system has never been about rehabilitation.
Posted by saggurl88
Two hours before the attacks the next day, Watson told a prison counselor that he urgently needed to be transferred back to higher-level security “before I really (expletive) one of these dudes up,” but the counselor “scoffed and dismissed" him.
The counselor is just as culpable.
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by saggurl88
Two hours before the attacks the next day, Watson told a prison counselor that he urgently needed to be transferred back to higher-level security “before I really (expletive) one of these dudes up,” but the counselor “scoffed and dismissed" him.
The counselor is just as culpable.click to expand
I agree! It could have been prevented. But this type of thing is common in prison and helps to "take out the trash" on the prison grounds.
Posted by saggurl88Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by saggurl88
Two hours before the attacks the next day, Watson told a prison counselor that he urgently needed to be transferred back to higher-level security “before I really (expletive) one of these dudes up,” but the counselor “scoffed and dismissed" him.
The counselor is just as culpable.
I agree! It could have been prevented. But this type of thing is common in prison and helps to "take out the trash" on the prison grounds.click to expand
The counselor is trash and should be fired ASAP
If I was the pedos family that’s who I’d go after.
Our prison system is ducked up. We do not rehabilitate or anything for that matter that is useful for that person or society. It's storage and and the environment inside is the shady street culture. Which is another reason people ended up there in the first place.
I firmly feel if you in for life and you kill someone....capital punishment is warranted. Pedophiles need to receive psychologically treatment. Repeat offenders, multiply victims, or anything that wasn't just a one off mistake...death penalty. The psychological damage it does to the victims makes it 100% warranted. Wipe it from society with gross prejudice.
I firmly feel if you in for life and you kill someone....capital punishment is warranted. Pedophiles need to receive psychologically treatment. Repeat offenders, multiply victims, or anything that wasn't just a one off mistake...death penalty. The psychological damage it does to the victims makes it 100% warranted. Wipe it from society with gross prejudice.
Posted by Lostthoughts
Our prison system is ducked up. We do not rehabilitate or anything for that matter that is useful for that person or society. It's storage and and the environment inside is the shady street culture. Which is another reason people ended up there in the first place.
I firmly feel if you in for life and you kill someone....capital punishment is warranted. Pedophiles need to receive psychologically treatment. Repeat offenders, multiply victims, or anything that wasn't just a one off mistake...death penalty. The psychological damage it does to the victims makes it 100% warranted. Wipe it from society with gross prejudice.
The trauma they inflict often times causes more predators. Again, I have a hard time thinking it’s not just preventative action.
Posted by saggurl88
I haven't looked up who he actually killed, but was happy at the thought of him killing child molesters who would probably be let loose again, while he sat in prison for 1 murder for the rest of his life.Inmate confesses killing 2 molesters in letter to newspaper.
Watson wrote that six days after he arrived at the prison, a child molester moved into the pod. Watson believed the man began taunting other inmates by watching children's television programming. Watson said in the letter he couldn't sleep that night “having not done what every instinct told me I should’ve done right then and there."
Two hours before the attacks the next day, Watson told a prison counselor that he urgently needed to be transferred back to higher-level security “before I really (expletive) one of these dudes up,” but the counselor “scoffed and dismissed" him.
Watson said he returned to his housing pod.
“I was mulling it all over when along came Molester #1 and he put his TV right on PBS Kids again,” he wrote, according to the newspaper chain. “But this time, someone else said something to the effect of ‘Is this guy really going to watch this right in front of us?’ and I recall saying, ‘I got this.’ And I picked up the cane and went to work on him.”
Watson said he then left the housing pod to find a guard and turn himself in, but on the way, he saw “a known child trafficker, and I figured I’d just do everybody a favor,” Watson wrote. “In for a penny, in for a pound.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-california-prisoner-confesses-killing-030850250.html
I think an important question to be asked is by what metric exactly are we quantifying this action? Are we judging it against:
• "The Greater Good" [Summum Bonum] (the principle of goodness in which all moral values are included or from which they are derived; highest or supreme good)?
• "The Common Good" (that which benefits society as a whole)
• "The Private Good" (that which benefits individuals and sections of society.)
And, I suppose, even then it doesn't really matter because then it becomes a battle between morals and ethics because by definition "an action is morally right if the consequences of that action are more favourable than unfavourable to everyone except the agent." - Although, even then altruism is applicable not to every morally motivated treatment of others, but more narrowly to what is done out of a concern for the good of others, so just because action was morally right doesn't mean it had to have been done with anyone's best interest but it's still considered morally right by the masses because of it's outcome without concern for the reason behind it.
At the end of the day there's one problem with all of this... Morally bad actions do not exist in the first place. What that person did to that child it's not technically morally bad. An action in and of itself cannot be good, bad, evil or non evil; therefore, what we are judging this man on is not the action but his intentions which propagated these actions.
So... Sure... The eye for the eye in this case can be considered morally right, but definitely cannot be considered a purely altruistic act done for the greater (or even common good)... not whenever these people were already behind bars and condemned for their crimes.
That being said we have to ask ourselves as human beings is that low bar standard of acceptance really where we want to put our stuff as what's acceptable behavior of one human being to another? I guess that's for each of us to decide.
Prison is meant to be about rehabilitation, yet people who go in there loose practically all prospects and some won't ever get out again. Child molesting is one of the worst crimes someone can commit but i believe in second chances and murdering someone i can't agree with. It's a catch 22 and in some circumstances i could see why he did it but if he was probably going to get out then it might've been his first offense or something of the sort, though i don't agree with what he did i could easily be swayed to the other side honestly
Posted by tiziani
I think I have to be willing to kill someone to have an opinion.
Otherwise it’s just like saying someone else will do the dirty work for me. In which case my moral values really don’t mean shit in the eyes of a child.
Posted by tizianiPosted by TheApparitionPosted by tiziani
I think I have to be willing to kill someone to have an opinion.
Otherwise it’s just like saying someone else will do the dirty work for me. In which case my moral values really don’t mean shit in the eyes of a child.
It’s a comforting truism.
But if the kid gets touched by some perv, who are they going to turn to for protection?
I took this thread to be about survival.click to expand
I think what you said originally holds a sad air of truth tbh. I guess my images we're an odd way of trying to combat one ironic truth with another.
I guess the age-old question remains true... Whose voice is the loudest in history... The Victors or the Martyrs?
Posted by LittleStar
Gary Plauche is my hero.
I get it I totally get it but at the same time the question still remains... Was Jeff Doucet not also the Son of someone? Know the extent of the action was not the same but that doesn't change the fact that more than one person lost a son by these actions. At what point is enough enough? What if Jeff had a family member who shot Gary because he was hurt? The cycle could theoretically just keep going and going and going. I mean like I said I get it but there has to be a better way, no?
Posted by LittleStarPosted by TheApparitionPosted by LittleStar
Gary Plauche is my hero.
I get it I totally get it but at the same time the question still remains... Was Jeff Doucet not also the Son of someone? Know the extent of the action was not the same but that doesn't change the fact that more than one person lost a son by these actions. At what point is enough enough? What if Jeff had a family member who shot Gary because he was hurt? The cycle could theoretically just keep going and going and going. I mean like I said I get it but there has to be a better way, no?
The son said he was angry at his father for some time but then forgave him.
But if I knew someone had done that to my daughter and knew for sure - I don’t know that I wouldn’t get into that head space.
The dude literally was dead instantly even though his body didn’t die, he didn’t suffer.
What I think about and what I’ve heard Gary say is that he didn’t care about himself in that moment.
This dude is gone. He can’t hurt his son or can’t hurt any other kids.
The sentences for these shitbags is usually next to nothing and when they get out they almost always reoffend.
Fuck that.
Now that said it’s definitely a power move and done out of feeling a loss of control. Which you just have to accept.
Even though he killed the dude he can’t protect his son from everything else. So it’s not exactly a solve all solution.
People can have shitty family members and being related by blood doesn’t mean much. IMO.click to expand
he just had to turn on PBS
Posted by AbbyNormalPosted by Lostthoughts
Our prison system is ducked up. We do not rehabilitate or anything for that matter that is useful for that person or society. It's storage and and the environment inside is the shady street culture. Which is another reason people ended up there in the first place.
I firmly feel if you in for life and you kill someone....capital punishment is warranted. Pedophiles need to receive psychologically treatment. Repeat offenders, multiply victims, or anything that wasn't just a one off mistake...death penalty. The psychological damage it does to the victims makes it 100% warranted. Wipe it from society with gross prejudice.
The trauma they inflict often times causes more predators. Again, I have a hard time thinking it’s not just preventative action.click to expand
In some cases, Sadly yes. Victims become perpetrators. It messes up their wiring. Which is why psych treatment should be the first response. At any point it becomes obvious they are choosing to do this or not look for help. It doesn't just happen out of the blue, so there is no excuses. No remorse no mercy.
More on the wiring thing. The human brain learns through experience and that includes biological responses. It's like smelling the perfume or cologne of a sexual partner. You can't help but get aroused by the memories and stimulation that it brings. You can do this with anything. The brain learns and creates triggers. A certain play list before you go to sleep will one day automatically make you feel tired every time you hear it.
It's the same mechanic. It can happen in this topic too. Let's call it bad wiring in this case. There is no shame in seeking help, if you know something is seriously wrong with you. It's the opposite, because that takes a lot of courage. Especially with this.
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Inmate confesses killing 2 molesters in letter to newspaper.
Watson wrote that six days after he arrived at the prison, a child molester moved into the pod. Watson believed the man began taunting other inmates by watching children's television programming. Watson said in the letter he couldn't sleep that night “having not done what every instinct told me I should’ve done right then and there."
Two hours before the attacks the next day, Watson told a prison counselor that he urgently needed to be transferred back to higher-level security “before I really (expletive) one of these dudes up,” but the counselor “scoffed and dismissed" him.
Watson said he returned to his housing pod.
“I was mulling it all over when along came Molester #1 and he put his TV right on PBS Kids again,” he wrote, according to the newspaper chain. “But this time, someone else said something to the effect of ‘Is this guy really going to watch this right in front of us?’ and I recall saying, ‘I got this.’ And I picked up the cane and went to work on him.”
Watson said he then left the housing pod to find a guard and turn himself in, but on the way, he saw “a known child trafficker, and I figured I’d just do everybody a favor,” Watson wrote. “In for a penny, in for a pound.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-california-prisoner-confesses-killing-030850250.html