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that I cannot give her attention all the time.

I need time to settle important personal matters and she keeps interrupting or showing her displeasure when I am handling personal affairs and she expects me to pay attention to her anytime she wants it. I am slowly but surely driving insane with trying to communicate that I need more space than she thinks I have. I have already skipped out important housing matters for myself just to keep her company and given up a lot for her.

She places too much emphasis on the relationship and I am feeling suffocated. The worst part is her getting pouty and expecting me to be affectionate to her after she storms out every time.

I appreciate the people's thoughts here and like to steer clear from astrological views. It hasn't been of much help in my past experiences.
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What sign is she? My boyfriend felt like this for sometime in our relationship, and he's a Virgo as well. I'm a Libra, and yeah we can be needy. I'm only needy when I'm not being emotionally satisfied. And no offence at all, but Virgos are so closed off/cold/distant and seem to only communicate their feelings through actions. Actions = attention from you. My boyfriend expressed that he needed time to take care of his business. He reassured me that he's always thinking of me and is my man but just needed that time. When he told me calmly and rationally, I had no choice but to understand and respect that, especially if I wanted to stay with him...and of course I do. He did have to bend a little and communicate his feelings a bit more to keep me balanced *Libra*...but we've been okay since then. If he's off doing his thing, he'll send a kissy face emoji, or anything just to let me know he's thinking of me. Relationships take effort on both ends. I think you need to tell her that you're really getting annoyed that she's not understanding what you need...don't say you're annoyed with HER...just that she's not understanding your needs. Reassure her that you want this to work, but you need space sometimes and it doesn't change how you feel about her. IF she can't respect that, then you know what you gotta do.
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What sign is she? My boyfriend felt like this for sometime in our relationship, and he's a Virgo as well. I'm a Libra, and yeah we can be needy. I'm only needy when I'm not being emotionally satisfied. And no offence at all, but Virgos are so closed off/cold/distant and seem to only communicate their feelings through actions. Actions = attention from you. My boyfriend expressed that he needed time to take care of his business. He reassured me that he's always thinking of me and is my man but just needed that time. When he told me calmly and rationally, I had no choice but to understand and respect that, especially if I wanted to stay with him...and of course I do. He did have to bend a little and communicate his feelings a bit more to keep me balanced *Libra*...but we've been okay since then. If he's off doing his thing, he'll send a kissy face emoji, or anything just to let me know he's thinking of me. Relationships take effort on both ends. I think you need to tell her that you're really getting annoyed that she's not understanding what you need...don't say you're annoyed with HER...just that she's not understanding your needs. Reassure her that you want this to work, but you need space sometimes and it doesn't change how you feel about her. IF she can't respect that, then you know what you gotta do.
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You really need to give a little from your side too but she must also understand where you are coming from. Plus a little distance and a bit of a break can be good and healthy for a relationship. You need to be able to miss your partner too.
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Without knowing more details with your situation, it comes down to this...

She needs more attention from you. You need more space.

There are three possible outcomes.

Either you continue on as you have been. She will feel more and more neglected until she finally leaves you to find someone else who can give her the attention she needs.

You continue on as you have been. You feel more and more henpecked by her neediness until you finally leave her to gain some personal space back.

OR you compromise. Dedicate certain days/nights/times for just the two of you where your attention is solely hers. Alternatively you get days 'off' to devote to your business and personal matters. Everyone wins and no one wins.
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Virgo males are notorious for emotionally neglecting their women .... and of course, you realize this, that is why you said to stay clear of astrological views ... because you must know this is a fuck up of yours, so you want to ignore that in yourself.

Any/all women will tell you this about Virgos ... even the women in good relationships with their Virgos ...... these men give very little time and attention to their women's emotional needs.

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Virgo males are notorious for emotionally neglecting their women .... and of course, you realize this, that is why you said to stay clear of astrological views ... because you must know this is a fuck up of yours, so you want to ignore that in yourself.

Any/all women will tell you this about Virgos ... even the women in good relationships with their Virgos ...... these men give very little time and attention to their women's emotional needs.
Yes and i thought it was already a given here. That's why I said to go past that. Otherwise this thread will be another typical one of virgo bashing. And yes I am a workoholic in the midst of moving house and trying to make my house work for me. I am studying a demanding course and have been hospitalized from fatique multiple times. What I am asking is for people to see this from a human-human interaction than to use astrology to define what is and isn't. If I wanted virgo bashing I'd have gone to the virgo board and get insulted.

I will not deny that I am still learning how to meet her needs but it looks as though my needs for private time to handle my affairs is ridiculous. Our working speeds are day and night and she cannot understand why I behave that way.
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I do try to communicate my needs in what I feel is direct but she finds the delivery cold and ridiculous (what I suspects as ridiculously inhuman). She wonders how someone can need so much alone time. I find it hard to think when i have people around me. Even the slightest change in environment affects my train of thought.

I've been trying to be present with her but because we're physically around each other almost 24hrs a day 7 days a week it feels overwhelming. I tell her I need alone time and sometimes she tries to wiggle her way in.

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Virgo males are notorious for emotionally neglecting their women .... and of course, you realize this, that is why you said to stay clear of astrological views ... because you must know this is a fuck up of yours, so you want to ignore that in yourself.

Any/all women will tell you this about Virgos ... even the women in good relationships with their Virgos ...... these men give very little time and attention to their women's emotional needs.
Yes and i thought it was already a given here. That's why I said to go past that. Otherwise this thread will be another typical one of virgo bashing. And yes I am a workoholic in the midst of moving house and trying to make my house work for me. I am studying a demanding course and have been hospitalized from fatique multiple times. What I am asking is for people to see this from a human-human interaction than to use astrology to define what is and isn't. If I wanted virgo bashing I'd have gone to the virgo board and get insulted.

I will not deny that I am still learning how to meet her needs but it looks as though my needs for private time to handle my affairs is ridiculous. Our working speeds are day and night and she cannot understand why I behave that way.
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To be directly honest with you isn't a bashing. The fact that you are incapable of hearing those words, so you resort to taking a defensive posture, as if you're being attacked is not only ridiculous ... it's also very telling of how you must behave when she approaches you with this same concern she has: that you aren't as giving to her needs, as she requires.

perhaps, if you took your fingers out of your ears, you would be able to see where the finger is pointing, rather than just being resentful of the finger.

You're going to be hard pressed to get people believing that she won't give you space and is up in your face 24/7 ... you have a one-sided, severely slanted story here in where you're the victim and she's abusing you by having feelings for you that you can't seem to give enough credence to.

if you plan on being taken seriously ... then tell the whole story .. tell the people in here that you fail to give the appropriate concern to the emotional side of your relationship, and this is the REAL reason why she is not understanding why you demand double-standards be in place.

OWN that .. and perhaps you might get credit, and valid responses.
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"She wonders how someone can need so much alone time"


"we're physically around each other almost 24hrs a day 7 days a week"


I don't actually understand this story now. How does that happen?

Good luck either way.
How do you have so much alone time that she feels compelled to comment on it, if you're physically with each other 24/7 ?

Starting to sound like bullshit. Starting to sound like there's a Virgo here who isn't being honest ... just as I stated previously.

You're telling us a slanted story, in where you become the victim of circumstance ... and that's not true, is it? ..... VIRGO
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Posted by tiziani
"She wonders how someone can need so much alone time"


"we're physically around each other almost 24hrs a day 7 days a week"


I don't actually understand this story now. How does that happen?

Good luck either way.
How do you have so much alone time that she feels compelled to comment on it, if you're physically with each other 24/7 ?

Starting to sound like bullshit. Starting to sound like there's a Virgo here who isn't being honest ... just as I stated previously.

You're telling us a slanted story, in where you become the victim of circumstance ... and that's not true, is it? ..... VIRGO
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I am in a LDR and i've been spending almost two months with her whilst hiding from summer. I'm in aussie and she's in uk. While we're in different continents we spend around 5 hrs together daily via video chat.

I am either working on school deadlines or I come back to her via video chat.
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ok.. time to answer the questions one by one...

@impulsv: no she isn't. She is as giving as anyone in the human race can get to a fault

@Iamawinelover: 22

@mind of a libra: she isn't spoilt. She is the typical older sister but was neglected by parents from young. My mind is frequently occupied with meeting school deadlines. (architecture)

I am still trying to be fully present with her whenever she is around but it is a struggle.

@Tiz: she knows everything even before I tell her... Somehow she reads me too well for comfort

@LadyNeptune: Going back to previous post - LDR, been in same continent for almost 2 months and 24/7 together.

@P-angel: my bad. couldn't tell if it was a bashing so I just went defensive first. I grew up being an outcast and socially awkward.

@SensitiveBlues: I have difficulty communicating to her without her thinking I am harsh and cold. We come from opposite backgrounds. She learnt to be loving through hardship while I learn to be self-sufficient.

@arielle: she's in her first year of university.


hope this gives a better picture
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@virgowithasoul

OK, I'm going to give you pointed relationship advice if you can please take this little questionnaire

1) Are you living together?

2) How long have you been serious, not dating, but serious, exclusive.

3) How much of your relationship has been in LDR versus in each other's pockets.

4) Name three things that you love about her that pulls her out of the crowd for you.


This is less about astrology and more about your ability to communicate, so if you want to play out a scene from Cyrano, I'm game.
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OK, I'm going to give you pointed relationship advice if you can please take this little questionnaire

1) Are you living together?

2) How long have you been serious, not dating, but serious, exclusive.

3) How much of your relationship has been in LDR versus in each other's pockets.

4) Name three things that you love about her that pulls her out of the crowd for you.


This is less about astrology and more about your ability to communicate, so if you want to play out a scene from Cyrano, I'm game.
1) currently, yes.

2) 1 year

3) 11+ months LDR, coming 2 months in pockets

4) kindness, she loves me, best friends feel
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I am still trying to be fully present with her whenever she is around but it is a struggle.


What does that mean, exactly?

Are you saying that when you two are together, that your not actually present there with her?

Where are you?

Let me ask: When you want her full and undivided attention, does she give it to you? If the answer is "yes", then do you realize that you are being unfair to her, in where you aren't giving to her what you expect her to give to you?


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I am still trying to be fully present with her whenever she is around but it is a struggle.


What does that mean, exactly?

Are you saying that when you two are together, that your not actually present there with her?

Where are you?

Let me ask: When you want her full and undivided attention, does she give it to you? If the answer is "yes", then do you realize that you are being unfair to her, in where you aren't giving to her what you expect her to give to you?


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It means that the period of time she expects me to be present is extremely long and I find it a challenge to be focused for a long period of time.

I am too used to being a hermit and her sudden extended physical presence in my life is hard to adjust to.
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oh well if it's a LDR, usually you'll find the real problem is you just can't afford to argue or pick problems with each other. Because there's no real way to smooth it over afterwards. So if one of you is constantly finding problems with the other - or with the relationship itself - and there's physical distance, then it's (on average) going to put the romance under a strain past the point of no return eventually.


I guess you could explain to her that finding problems with your relationship doesn't do anything for you anymore. At that point hopefully the focus shifts back to you both staying concentrated on why you want this - NOT all the things that may/may not/could be wrong with it.
I'm lost. who's finding problems? I don't recall mentioning that...
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You are in that honeymoon stage right after an LDR ends where you spent so much time apart, it's like your making up for lost time. A lot of couples go through that but I have found younger couples struggle with separating space more than older couples who have been around the block. It's normal.

Ok so the first thing is that you are probably sitting her down trying to talk, maybe doing some pacing. Don't do that. Curl up on the couch, pull her into a spoon, cuddle, and start speaking. Don't pull away unless she makes space.

"I need you to listen to me, I love you, I love your kindness, I love that you are my best friend and I need that right now for you to listen to me. We're both aware that I have some deadlines and responsibilities that are not going to wait on my personal life. I don't say it often enough, but us together is the best thing that's happened to me so far, and I want to make that work with everything else I have going on. Which means I need you to work with me as well."

"I appreciate that you want to be with me every step of the way, but I will get things done much quicker if I take care it on my own, which means more time for us to do fun things together."

She'll probably say something like "Well, what am I supposed to do then? Where do I fit in?"

"You already fit by being you and indulging in your own interests, it's how I fell in love with you in the first place. So I am going to take care of things on my end, I want you to stop worrying about needing to keep me company all the time, I want you to have some self-time and independence."

Let's start there and see how it goes. It will all depend on her maturity level.
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You are in that honeymoon stage right after an LDR ends where you spent so much time apart, it's like your making up for lost time. A lot of couples go through that but I have found younger couples struggle with separating space more than older couples who have been around the block. It's normal.

Ok so the first thing is that you are probably sitting her down trying to talk, maybe doing some pacing. Don't do that. Curl up on the couch, pull her into a spoon, cuddle, and start speaking. Don't pull away unless she makes space.

"I need you to listen to me, I love you, I love your kindness, I love that you are my best friend and I need that right now for you to listen to me. We're both aware that I have some deadlines and responsibilities that are not going to wait on my personal life. I don't say it often enough, but us together is the best thing that's happened to me so far, and I want to make that work with everything else I have going on. Which means I need you to work with me as well."

"I appreciate that you want to be with me every step of the way, but I will get things done much quicker if I take care it on my own, which means more time for us to do fun things together."

She'll probably say something like "Well, what am I supposed to do then? Where do I fit in?"

"You already fit by being you and indulging in your own interests, it's how I fell in love with you in the first place. So I am going to take care of things on my end, I want you to stop worrying about needing to keep me company all the time, I want you to have some self-time and independence."

Let's start there and see how it goes. It will all depend on her maturity level.
yea you're very on point with those words, except I phrased the last sentence badly. I tried that. its funny now that its been a while since it happened.
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You are in that honeymoon stage right after an LDR ends where you spent so much time apart, it's like your making up for lost time. A lot of couples go through that but I have found younger couples struggle with separating space more than older couples who have been around the block. It's normal.

Ok so the first thing is that you are probably sitting her down trying to talk, maybe doing some pacing. Don't do that. Curl up on the couch, pull her into a spoon, cuddle, and start speaking. Don't pull away unless she makes space.

"I need you to listen to me, I love you, I love your kindness, I love that you are my best friend and I need that right now for you to listen to me. We're both aware that I have some deadlines and responsibilities that are not going to wait on my personal life. I don't say it often enough, but us together is the best thing that's happened to me so far, and I want to make that work with everything else I have going on. Which means I need you to work with me as well."

"I appreciate that you want to be with me every step of the way, but I will get things done much quicker if I take care it on my own, which means more time for us to do fun things together."

She'll probably say something like "Well, what am I supposed to do then? Where do I fit in?"

"You already fit by being you and indulging in your own interests, it's how I fell in love with you in the first place. So I am going to take care of things on my end, I want you to stop worrying about needing to keep me company all the time, I want you to have some self-time and independence."

Let's start there and see how it goes. It will all depend on her maturity level.
yea you're very on point with those words, except I phrased the last sentence badly. I tried that. its funny now that its been a while since it happened.
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OK, what did she say...specifically?
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You are in that honeymoon stage right after an LDR ends where you spent so much time apart, it's like your making up for lost time. A lot of couples go through that but I have found younger couples struggle with separating space more than older couples who have been around the block. It's normal.

Ok so the first thing is that you are probably sitting her down trying to talk, maybe doing some pacing. Don't do that. Curl up on the couch, pull her into a spoon, cuddle, and start speaking. Don't pull away unless she makes space.

"I need you to listen to me, I love you, I love your kindness, I love that you are my best friend and I need that right now for you to listen to me. We're both aware that I have some deadlines and responsibilities that are not going to wait on my personal life. I don't say it often enough, but us together is the best thing that's happened to me so far, and I want to make that work with everything else I have going on. Which means I need you to work with me as well."

"I appreciate that you want to be with me every step of the way, but I will get things done much quicker if I take care it on my own, which means more time for us to do fun things together."

She'll probably say something like "Well, what am I supposed to do then? Where do I fit in?"

"You already fit by being you and indulging in your own interests, it's how I fell in love with you in the first place. So I am going to take care of things on my end, I want you to stop worrying about needing to keep me company all the time, I want you to have some self-time and independence."

Let's start there and see how it goes. It will all depend on her maturity level.
yea you're very on point with those words, except I phrased the last sentence badly. I tried that. its funny now that its been a while since it happened.
OK, what did she say...specifically?
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she wants to compensate for all the lost physical time during the LDR, and I chimed that it is heck of an intense and that it was trying to force things than to let the relationship flow during our time physically together. I definitely could understand where she was coming from but the emotional aspect is overwhelming. I always assured her I wasn't going anywhere.
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..... people expect you to act like you've sold your soul to them



Nobody in here has acted like that.

It's doubtful the she has acted like that.

What is more likely is that he isn't giving her his full and undivided attention when he is with her, in so that she never gets to feel special enough for him to want to nurture her emotional needs.

If a person gives half-ass of their feelings ... how are you making the determination that that is good enough?
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The solution is to make a schedule of dates and times that you two can have quality time together ... and during those times, just make sure that you are giving to her what she needs, and not what you think she needs.


This is a blind spot for Virgos. They give what they think they should give, and often that doesn't actually coincide with what the person really needs.


From everything you've said in here ... I get the impression that when you are with her, it's not all the way .... you are half-assing your effort, I would imagine from things said.


Again, allot time .... make sure she understands that ONLY during these times are you going to be 100% , and make damn sure you aren't the one reneging
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The solution is to make a schedule of dates and times that you two can have quality time together ... and during those times, just make sure that you are giving to her what she needs, and not what you think she needs.


This is a blind spot for Virgos. They give what they think they should give, and often that doesn't actually coincide with what the person really needs.


From everything you've said in here ... I get the impression that when you are with her, it's not all the way .... you are half-assing your effort, I would imagine from things said.


Again, allot time .... make sure she understands that ONLY during these times are you going to be 100% , and make damn sure you aren't the one reneging
thanks p. that's quite true of us. She hates scheduling and I suck at getting her to commit to schedules... I can definitely function better when schedules are in place. We've been winging our demands as and when we want it...
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do the schedules anyway, regardless if she does well in them or not.

She feels suffocated .. you feel comfortable .... so meet halfway ..... schedule certain times for you, and have certain times open.


If she isn't available at a moments notice during the open times .. then that's on her, and you can remind her of this the next time she has a hissy fit about not liking schedules.


If it's not a scheduled date/time and it's not an open day ... then don't respond to her, nor initiate with her. If she calls balling her eyes out, remind her that you offered to meet her half way and she is the one who didn't follow through.


If she feels suffocated merely because you are trying to meet her half way, then perhaps you should approach her and tell her that in lieu of her not being able to commit, that it has left you hanging .. so therefore, you cannot no longer give her as much time ... and then back the dates/times back to a smaller amount.

put it in writing, make sure she has a copy.


when she throws a fit, hand her the paper and tell her it's always been her choice ... she can either meet you half way, or take a hike
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The problem with these women who never seem to get enough ... is that men give in to them because they cannot handle the whining.

So, don't give in.

Treat her like she is the special lady that she is to you when you are together ... and then remain absent from her during your allotted times to have your privacy away from her.

The ball will be in her court .... she can either agree to be a part of your life, or not. But, don't give in and let her take your personal power.



Keeping in mind here .. when you are together, and you are giving to her .... it has to be all.
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Ditto what P-angel said. And its not just a problem for Virgos, Aquas have the same problem, especially in a living situation from whence there is NO escape. Make sure you don't fall into the Virgo pitfall of getting a foot of space but then running around taking a mile.

The toughest thing to figure out, as it is different for all couples, is how to co-habit and share space without feeling like you must entertain each other all the time. Living in each other's pockets is unhealthy, it stagnates personal growth, atrophies friendships with others, shrinks your personal, professional and couples' social circle. It always ends with someone getting tired of being in the 2 person bubble.