his depravity... (Page 2)

Posted by AreTwoFour

Posted by CluelessCancer
Hmmm i'm willing to risk that for beautiful kids and 10 years of marriage, than he can go fuck himself.

They can tell what your motives are. I don't know why, but they can

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Virguys have to be deceived into having children—? or all the ones I know, (GUYS) that was the case

And NO, my daughter was adopted by the virgo ex... and it was his idea. Biologically, both were the gemini's

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Posted by CluelessCancer
Hmmm i'm willing to risk that for beautiful kids and 10 years of marriage, than he can go fuck himself.

They can tell what your motives are. I don't know why, but they can

Virguys have to be deceived into having children—? or all the ones I know, (GUYS) that was the case

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God, that was so wrong. my virgo bro, wanted to have lots of kids... or maybe it was a way to criticize his wife after she had a hysterectomy after #3? the world will never know...

My ex-virgo hubby was very concerned about birth control (for a guy, imo) know another that was like that, and that is why I am guilty of the broad brush this time

But who the hell knows what virgos want— I don't think they know either (many of the guys anyway)

Regardless of what they say... the wind changes direction, and a virgo changes their mind, and libras get scape-goated for it

Sorry CreepyPants, I have been drinking again, and I thought this was clueless's thread. My apologies for the massive derailment

Posted by CluelessCancer
I told you he is in massive pain. I'm telling you, that Scorp is crying himself to sleep at night. He is attempting to save himself some anguish. he got it Bad. Let it burn.

LMAO Creepypants, you got that thang GIRL. WORK IT.

😢 i'm not trying to inflict pain. if i made it look like it's a piece of cake for me, then i'm next up for an oscar.

Posted by CluelessCancer
How come couples don't try therapy? Why do you have to be married to the SOB to get couples therapy??

I really want to go to therapy with the VIRGO, cause even if I change, I know he won't...he needs help too.

i considered it, cc. towards the end there.

IIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF he and i were to ever rekindle... couples therapy indeed!

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Posted by CreepyPants

Posted by CluelessCancer
I told you he is in massive pain. I'm telling you, that Scorp is crying himself to sleep at night. He is attempting to save himself some anguish. he got it Bad. Let it burn.

LMAO Creepypants, you got that thang GIRL. WORK IT.

😢 i'm not trying to inflict pain. if i made it look like it's a piece of cake for me, then i'm next up for an oscar.

Have you attempted to suggest THERAPY for the both of you?

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haHA! lol see answer above. 😛

Posted by Chance11
such a heartbreaker, creepy 😄

way to give him the ole 'i'm amazing (well, since you know..)..life's never been better (now)' lol

this reminds me of elle's analogy about caps bringing cookies..sure they're not fresh out of the oven like before..but most people would still eat them (

LOL! ok... let me explain... lololol...

it's not how it sounds! So shortly before he nearly plowed me over, i was talking in passing to a hosp staff member. he just asked how i was doing and i shouted "i'm amazing!" i dunno i just felt like yelling that out. you gotta embrace impulses like that sometimes. seconds later i run into the ex and well... the reply was fresh in my mind so i went with it again. i wasnt trying to rub anything in his face. but come on... what was i gonna do... fall at his feet and plead with him to let me call him again— 😛 tempting but NO!

blocking someone's number.... you might as well tell them they dont matter at all. it hurts.

Posted by Chance11
that's not it..he's in creepy love rehab..he's just afraid he's going to call you at 3 o'clock all drunk and like 'creeeepy, i luuuurv you..why do you haate me..i'm wearin' the t-shirt you gaaaaave mee *muffled sobs*

+1, yeppers

*mumbles under breath* ...scorp love rehab is worse...

Girl, you better take him back before he gets pissed you didnt respond to his vulnerability and use his anger to completely move on.

Im with cc on counseling.

Posted by CreepyPants
he was running out of an OR and nearly knocked me over...

Him: (very surprised, but immediately softens) "Hiii"
Me: (straightening my things he almost knocked over) "Hi"
Him: "How are you?"
Me: (looking at him with a smile) "I'm amazing! How are you??" ...by the way... that wasnt a lie nor fake.
Him: "I'm better now"
Me: "Oh? What was wrong—"
Him: "I miss you"
Me: "If you miss me, why would you have blocked my number?"
Him: "Because I'm silly"
Me: (starting to walk by him and into my OR) "You are very silly!"
Him: (yelling after me) "You're silly!"

He was tearing up and a little choked up, guys. If any of you think I'm torturing myself... I might be nothing in comparison to whatever he's trying to accomplish with himself.

Awwww 😭
His heart aches..he is a MESS. He doesn't know what to do with himself.. he's a mess around you Creepy.
Way to go with the "I'm AMAZIIIING!!!" ...like ur not hurting at all..lol

Posted by Chance11
that's not it..he's in creepy love rehab..he's just afraid he's going to call you at 3 o'clock all drunk and like 'creeeepy, i luuuurv you..why do you haate me..i'm wearin' the t-shirt you gaaaaave mee *muffled sobs*

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AHAHAH!!! Sounds about right...LOL!!!!

Haha me and my scorpio went to counseling. It was his idea. It did so not work but I guess at least we tried? haha Creepy you probably have a better chance

Creepypants If you want this all to stop then find someone else. The fact you're not with anyone makes him think their could be a chance you two might get back together.
Stop meeting up with him it's not far to him or yourself. Scorpio's do push people anyway sometimes to see how much the other person feels about them not like others on here have stated so it's not a headf..k.
Who ended the relationship?

Creepy, IF you are missing your scorp, and you think he is the love of your life, never take him back, I mean NEVER, unless he acknowledges his part in driving you away. If you do out of a moment of being vulnerable because of loneliness, he may punish you later because he failed to learn the lesson, and therefore, he will likely continue to engage in emotionally abusive behavior after an interlude of sweetness to get you back.

Counseling, yes, it would be a good way to test how much he wants this to work, that is IF you do also.

Thanks TB!

Inana n QS, in short, yes, but I dont feel like right now we are ready yet. I dont feel ready. Our heads are still spinning. We arent confident in each other. We only know it hurts. We're still wallowing and brooding in confusion. Him more than me it seems. But Id rather try to have each other take the other back when/if we both know thats exactly what we want and we are willing to openly admit it to the other without having to be cajoled or coaxed. And then def a poss. of counseling Sag.

I had a whole comment written out last night but lol fell asleep with my laptop laying on me. Haha! Damn, i was tired.

LadyAries n QS, i think its a water moon... I'm always thinking and concerned about others feelings. Pisces moon for ya.

Mr2Nice, well the last thing i wanna do is tie myself down with someone new. I know his mo and def know he's used to me fighting for us. But it's too much to fight against his worry and stresses. He was going overboard with the worrying over "what might happen" (mars in cap no doubt), and constantly bringing up old conflicts that id thought we were over. From what i understand that's typical insecure scorpio behavior. But I dont get it... he always said my loyalty was undeniable and thats one of the things he cherished about me. So wtf? I can only assume he was taking me for granted. And his insecurities were his own that he needed to communicate more so I could help with. He made it tough to move forward. And it wasnt him trying to end things as much as it was a bad habit for him, because he seemed relatively comfortable in the relationship doing it. I just could not sit there and watch him sabotage us. There was no convincing him otherwise without starting a fight. So I had to give up in hopes he would see in time what he was doing.

It's a gamble because I know we may not end up back together. But he wasnt hearing me at all... Just his own loud thoughts of negativity... And he does have that tendency in general. He's a brilliant and dynamic guy. He's amazing. But he needs to lighten up about some things... or many things.

Aretwo... My sentiments exactly... He isnt ready. Im not quite ready. He needs to know exactly what he wants again and remember how to properly attain it.

CreepyPants, not every scorpio is the same were all different. I think you would be better suited to a virgo they seem to understand cappys better. Peace!

Well thanks for that Mr2Nice, I know the variety of people 🙂 Or perhaps I should say I hardly know it. I've yet to meet a virgo, of any variety, that knows what the heck to do with me. But we do have a good rapport! And yes there's decent chemistry. In a month or so I'll be down to consider a man based on what attracts me... It's not sun sign.

Posted by CreepyPants
Aretwo... My sentiments exactly... He isnt ready. Im not quite ready. He needs to know exactly what he wants again and remember how to properly attain it.

Time. That may be an impasse for you two. After a scorpio cools and gets their emotional shit together, most won't look back. That is how it was with some of my failed relationships. As long as their presence moved me to tears, I would have been willing to try anything. After I got myself together, I won't look back. Ever. 😢

But like another poster said, not all scorps are the same

Posted by CluelessCancer
a man that cries over you..is a keeper lol

I have had plenty cry over me and they were losers. That is just a silly thing to say.

if a man ever crys in front of you, you should laugh in their face and say stop being a manipulative baby you need a kick in your balls.

Well it depends on if you love one or not, cuz true, it can be beyond difficult...

But the issue with time. Caps can deal with time and processing. A scorp cannot (usually). When in heartbreak mode (whether we caused it ourselves or not) every second feels like eons. No earth to see a shoreline, or better days. It is like being shipwrecked and a sea, clinging to a piece of debris and fighting for every breath, so when we get to a stable place, we don't typically dive into the same waters again.

And I fully expect that this will piss others off that have been victims of emotional abuse by scorps. And I am not defending that, just saying how it feels whether we brought it upon our own head or not

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Posted by CluelessCancer
a man that cries over you..is a keeper lol

I have had plenty cry over me and they were losers. That is just a silly thing to say.

Lucky you. That would be so awesome. I need men to cry for me. That would be so darn cool. I'd probably laugh.

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That is sadistic... unless you KNOW the person is an emotional predator.

But I do get it. I fantasized about my ex-virgo doing that. I doubt he ever did, but he laughed at my tears, and knowing how that feels, I can't derive pleasure from it, unless I'm in "I hate you" mode. But that has never been permanent.

To get pleasure from it, you have been hurt pretty bad to lose your empathy like that.

But you just got out of a relationship with a virguy, so still I get it. But do NOT lose yourself in hatred. It will bite you in the @ss and spread like cancer (no pun intended)

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Posted by AreTwoFour
Well it depends on if you love one or not, cuz true, it can be beyond difficult...

But the issue with time. Caps can deal with time and processing. A scorp cannot (usually). When in heartbreak mode (whether we caused it ourselves or not) every second feels like eons. No earth to see a shoreline, or better days. It is like being shipwrecked and a sea, clinging to a piece of debris and fighting for every breath, so when we get to a stable place, we don't typically dive into the same waters again.

And I fully expect that this will piss others off that have been victims of emotional abuse by scorps. And I am not defending that, just saying how it feels whether we brought it upon our own head or not

Do scorps get half way to love? Does that make sense? Where they liked some one a lot, but not quite in love. What's the break away process like for that, if it doesn't work out? #Curious

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We can have that experience, but we usually move on. That is not what we are looking for. We are "typically" all or nothing. That is true in my case

Thats what I thought...

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Posted by Sag89
if a man ever crys in front of you, you should laugh in their face and say stop being a manipulative baby you need a kick in your balls.

Well that's a mature thing to do.. God forbid a grown man might actually be in touch with his feelings rather than walk around like a robot like others.

My dad is a Sagittarius like you and he is secure enough in his manhood that he allows himself to release his feelings when he feels them. Yet he is the same man I've seen lift another grown man off the ground by his throat for assaulting my sister and he made that other grown man piss his pants.

Manipulative "baby"? Hardly.

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Umm was I talking about your dad?

Both of my ex's were scorpios and all of the crying was manipulative garbage.

To get pleasure from it, you have been hurt pretty bad to lose your empathy like that.



Oh I have PLENTY of empathy. If anything too much. For people who are narsstic pieces of shit? No, no I do not.

Posted by Sag89

To get pleasure from it, you have been hurt pretty bad to lose your empathy like that.



Oh I have PLENTY of empathy. If anything too much. For people who are narsstic pieces of shit? No, no I do not.



I was addressing cluelesscancer. I don't think empathy is a sag thing, coming from a sag moon/venus and reading common traits about sags

empathy is a human thing. we're all capable of it. some are more inclined than others.

so he and i had a volley of some nice emails. *siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh*

my heart feels like it's on a little life boat lost at sea.

Posted by AreTwoFour

Posted by Sag89

To get pleasure from it, you have been hurt pretty bad to lose your empathy like that.

Oh I have PLENTY of empathy. If anything too much. For people who are narsstic pieces of shit? No, no I do not.



I was addressing cluelesscancer. I don't think empathy is a sag thing, coming from a sag moon/venus and reading common traits about sags



Well your not a sun sag

gem... i'm not sure. id hate to get my hopes up like that. i just know we are apart right now and it sucks. when you are left alone to your thoughts in a break up... they're all over the place. i mean i'm sure it shows just in the content of my posts... i'm here, i'm there, in china, australia... friggin all over the place.

i think about that a lot though... would it be worth it trying to get back together? the immediate pain from being apart would be gone instantly. i'd be back on cloud nine. but will we have learned what we should have learned? will we remember? how long will we remember? changing behavior is tough to accomplish. even if i could guarantee my own behavioral changes, it still takes two. we'd have to really look ahead and prepare/plan for all of that.

this is all still an "if"

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Well your not a sun sag

True

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To get pleasure from it, you have been hurt pretty bad to lose your empathy like that.

Oh I have PLENTY of empathy. If anything too much. For people who are narsstic pieces of shit? No, no I do not.



I love this! I feel the same.
Good for you Sag, you are one brutally honest and fearless woman. Dont ever change. Which ia why I love you.



Lol thank you sweet gem 🙂

creepy do you live in the US? I can't remember

yep... fabulous las vegas baby 😉

Posted by CreepyPants
yep... fabulous las vegas baby 😉

Hahaha nice

you're awesome, thanks gem!

Posted by AreTwoFour
Creepy, IF you are missing your scorp, and you think he is the love of your life, never take him back, I mean NEVER, unless he acknowledges his part in driving you away. If you do out of a moment of being vulnerable because of loneliness, he may punish you later because he failed to learn the lesson, and therefore, he will likely continue to engage in emotionally abusive behavior after an interlude of sweetness to get you back.

Counseling, yes, it would be a good way to test how much he wants this to work, that is IF you do also.

AreTwo... this is really good advice and I dont know how I missed it, but I'm glad I've come back to reread this thread.

He did email me his confession to realizing how stressed and worried he was while we were together... specifically about me. He said he could never relax and he wishes he knew why or could figure out a way to be around me without feeling that way.

He has a strong need to control in ANY situation, not just our relationship, and strong insecurities that he projected onto me a lot. It got to the point where I couldn't even argue or "discuss" any of it with him because he became so overbearing and I hate to say it but... oppressive. I literally would give up and agree in some weak attempt of reverse psychology, and that would at least get him to calm down and want to come up with a solution where he wouldn't have to feel that way. It was the wrong road to go down. 20/20 hindsight. And he never wanted to hear my ideas because it's not like I had none... or didnt offer them. It all became too sensitive to touch on.

... that is what he was referring to with the stress and worry. Problem is... he's not yet fully aware of the "why". He admitted it himself. He kinda cornered himself because I've always been open and willing to make things better. When you become insecure about your insecurities... things are bad. He even admitted that "we have nothing to argue about" And ugh, it breaks my heart that he admits that because that's something I told him a while ago. So that tells me that he heard me, and he's now finally starting to "listen." So the distance and time apart is working. The truth is starting to sink in like I'd hoped it would. I just hope it continues to.

After having written all of this, I realize his need to control successfully found a way to get me to submit, but i