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LMBO!!!! So sorry, but your precious son is 2. Mine are 17 and 18. Ummmm...I didn't have "tiffs" with thrm until middle and late teen years. Even those are limited. I had my youngest son hauled off in handcuffs and he spent an over night in juvie for attempting to angrily intimate me. I called the police on my oldest son for busting out our house windows when he was 16. The police refused to take him because it was technically, "his home". Well, I made his ass get a job and would say things to him like, "what kind of loser dude breaks his mother's windows knowing he can't pay for them and then doesn't get a job to pay for thrm". He was looking for work, but I used this as a shame tactic to motivate him not to quit, because it was difficult to find work. He walked over 5 miles back and forth to sn interview without a resume and talked the owner into hiring him. Like, ge spent 45 minutes convincing the guy to give him a chance. He now has two jobs.

Little kids and parents shouldn't have tiffs because when it's vitally important, you need to remain in charge and convince your kids that you're in control and will always remain in control of situations between you guys, even if it means that they have to respect your athority via separation (ie...my house, my rules). It demonstrates good/consistent stewardship.
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LMBO!!!! So sorry, but your precious son is 2. Mine are 17 and 18. Ummmm...I didn't have "tiffs" with thrm until middle and late teen years. Even those are limited. I had my youngest son hauled off in handcuffs and he spent an over night in juvie for attempting to angrily intimate me. I called the police on my oldest son for busting out our house windows when he was 16. The police refused to take him because it was technically, "his home". Well, I made his ass get a job and would say things to him like, "what kind of loser dude breaks his mother's windows knowing he can't pay for them and then doesn't get a job to pay for thrm". He was looking for work, but I used this as a shame tactic to motivate him not to quit, because it was difficult to find work. He walked over 5 miles back and forth to sn interview without a resume and talked the owner into hiring him. Like, ge spent 45 minutes convincing the guy to give him a chance. He now has two jobs.

Little kids and parents shouldn't have tiffs because when it's vitally important, you need to remain in charge and convince your kids that you're in control and will always remain in control of situations between you guys, even if it means that they have to respect your athority via separation (ie...my house, my rules). It demonstrates good/consistent stewardship.
wow those are success stories.

it sounds like he learned his lessons.
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Posted by Montgomery
If Ye Olde Hag hasn't totally hi-jacked the thread (please ignore her... ugh),

then I would look at what he's eating... esp when not around you.

Like anything with additives, preservatives, or RED food dye (that's the worst).

Srsly-- makes some kids crazy. o.O

True. Food allergies will cause them to act up or have ADHD symptoms. Discovered that with my daughter.

Also, sugar and caffeine will cause them to act up, too.
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@LadyLibra.... how many hours a day are you with him or what hours of each day are you with him?
I have him for probably 5 waking hours during the week (5 on Monday and 5 on Tuesday) his dad has him Wed and Thurs and me and his dad alternate the weekends. We moved out of his dad's house in July so I know he is still getting used to the separation too.
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I was going to ask if his father is around much. Sounds like he is very involved. Does your child act this way when he's with his father?
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But really, literally LOL @ these folks who don't have kids who have it all figured out.

It's completely fine to have ideals about how you'll raise your kids, but the reality is far from what your idealism leads you to believe. It's hard to to raise kids. It's a 24/7 thankless job and issues come up constantly. It tests your patience, your beliefs, your frustrations levels, your love, your energy, your nurturing side, your anger, your wisdom, your rationality, etc, etc, etc. Yet, at the same time it is a blessing you can never even imagine and there is a lot of pride and pleasure and unconditional love that you've never experienced before.

So those of you who are harsh in your assessment of someone else's motherhood, you might want to keep your opinions to yourself until you've been there and done that. Until you've experienced it, you can't really make a judgement of how someone else goes about the task.

Those of you who have raised your kids and are doing so now....I'm sure your opinions are more helpful than you know.
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Whatever makes your twisted little heart happy P-Angel. Lol I love children and I am a very nurturing person and I use spanking as the very last resort when he is doing something dangerous. I don't spank other people's children.
Nothing wrong with a spat on the hand or the leg of a two year old when they're about to do something dangerous, like burn themselves or electrocute themselves. The spat is a lot less harmful than a burn or death.
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Agreed, if that was the context in which the striking of the child was presented. What was presented by means of her description of events - was a tiff between the two in where he was being stubborn and defiant.

That's not a description of dangerous, nor is it a description of last resort.

Those two were only mentioned once she was questioned on her motives for hitting a baby.


The truth was what she said before she got on the defense to try and justify herself.
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But really, literally LOL @ these folks who don't have kids who have it all figured out.

It's completely fine to have ideals about how you'll raise your kids, but the reality is far from what your idealism leads you to believe. It's hard to to raise kids. It's a 24/7 thankless job and issues come up constantly. It tests your patience, your beliefs, your frustrations levels, your love, your energy, your nurturing side, your anger, your wisdom, your rationality, etc, etc, etc. Yet, at the same time it is a blessing you can never even imagine and there is a lot of pride and pleasure and unconditional love that you've never experienced before.

So those of you who are harsh in your assessment of someone else's motherhood, you might want to keep your opinions to yourself until you've been there and done that. Until you've experienced it, you can't really make a judgement of how someone else goes about the task.

Those of you who have raised your kids and are doing so now....I'm sure your opinions are more helpful than you know.

How fucking hilarious hypocrites are.


The above coming from a mother who got all upset because her ADULT daughter was dating a man with tattoos. And in your mind, he was a bad sort to be hanging with since he had tats. And you make a thread to vent out how upset you are and wanted advice on how to interfere in her life and make her see reason to get away from a tattoo/bad man.

And you justified by saying bullshit like: a mother is always going to be concerned for her child, at any age ... when that wasn't even what you were doing.

You weren't concerning, you were controlling and being overbearing based on your own prejudices.


And then you come and say bullshit in here like, "unconditional love".

Maybe he turned out bad, maybe not .... but, the point is you were imposing your prejudices on her, and being the exact opposite of what you are preaching here.



You just can't pay for entertainment like this ......



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But really, literally LOL @ these folks who don't have kids who have it all figured out.

It's completely fine to have ideals about how you'll raise your kids, but the reality is far from what your idealism leads you to believe. It's hard to to raise kids. It's a 24/7 thankless job and issues come up constantly. It tests your patience, your beliefs, your frustrations levels, your love, your energy, your nurturing side, your anger, your wisdom, your rationality, etc, etc, etc. Yet, at the same time it is a blessing you can never even imagine and there is a lot of pride and pleasure and unconditional love that you've never experienced before.

So those of you who are harsh in your assessment of someone else's motherhood, you might want to keep your opinions to yourself until you've been there and done that. Until you've experienced it, you can't really make a judgement of how someone else goes about the task.

Those of you who have raised your kids and are doing so now....I'm sure your opinions are more helpful than you know.

How fucking hilarious hypocrites are.


The above coming from a mother who got all upset because her ADULT daughter was dating a man with tattoos. And in your mind, he was a bad sort to be hanging with since he had tats. And you make a thread to vent out how upset you are and wanted advice on how to interfere in her life and make her see reason to get away from a tattoo/bad man.

And you justified by saying bullshit like: a mother is always going to be concerned for her child, at any age ... when that wasn't even what you were doing.

You weren't concerning, you were controlling and being overbearing based on your own prejudices.


And then you come and say bullshit in here like, "unconditional love".

Maybe he turned out bad, maybe not .... but, the point is you were imposing your prejudices on her, and being the exact opposite of what you are preaching here.



You just can't pay for entertainment like this ......



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My issue is that she was 22 dating a 45 year old man and I was concerned about the man's motives.
The tattoos, I didn't like, but I can deal with that.
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Posted by ladylibra21
LOL it is funny you say that because last night it was spiting and I asked him if he was a camel and he said no and I said ok don't spit or I will have to let you sleep outside like a camel and all night he kept saying I'm not an animal mom I promise LOL
Ok...me and little man would have on some boxing gloves and he'd get knocked down on his training drawls a few times. LMBO!! I am not lying. He'd be so scared of me that every time I cut my eyes at him, he'd be like, "Ok mom...shit...never mind". He's not BAD, he is two and pushing the limits. That's just it though, if that were me and him (admittedly you guys may have a wayyyy different dynamic) I'd do shit like tie his hands up with a scrunchie, sitting there sipping water looking at him freaking out and I wouldn't say a single word. Just watch him freaking out. Then when I decided to "release" him, I'd let him know that no means no. He'd have several bunched up shirt fronts from me grabbing him by the front of him shirt aka bullying him. Yeah yeah yeah...whatever. Better I bully him into submission than to release him into pre-school where he thinks it's ok to bully other people. Headlocks and if he spit food all over the place...I'm not even going to sit here and lie. I'd take a small wooden paint stirring stick and tear that ass up.

Point is...you have a boy who is testing your limits and will probably be taller than you. As tall as I am, my sons are an inch and like...4 inches taller than me. I was not going to be that mom that gets tossed around the room by teenage her son(s). It's not so much that those type of things happen as a result of what happens in the home these days. These kids come home with all kinds of notions of what is best for them based on what they hear/see from friends and other people who they consider peers. Their social circles/influcences in school SUCK.
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At that age, it's really only recommended to lightly swat their hands if they're misbehaving. Things like time out or other types of positive/negative punishment are also good. Either way, every child reacts differently to punishments. You just have to find what works best for your kid. It doesn't sound like whatever you're doing now is working too well. Make sure you approach these situations calmly as well, especially if your're spanking, though I'd recommend to not do that at all. It's not even working for you anyway. If he keeps tracks of every wrong he feels you've dealt to him, then to me that's a sign that you've dealt enough damage that he's building some negative emotions up. Which would obviously lead to him acting out. If you don't change that, I would think it would eventually turn into resentment towards you or at least a loss of respect.
A swat on the hand or a lick of a small wooden object on a butt that is covered with a diaper/pull up...same thing. Actually, you can do more damage by hitting the hand because their fingers are fragile. I get what you're saying though. I also don't recommend "punishment" for every single thing. It's the rude and severely obnoxious, potentially dangerous behaviors I'm talking about. My youngest learned how to open the furnace (in CA...they're like...in the middle of your hallway and not hidden. Not all of them have turnkey locks), and he would take something in his hands to play with the fire. Yes, I whooped him with a stick for that. That was a hell of a dangerous thing for him to do. My daughter wasn't as strong willed as my boys, so she got spankings for doing things like purposely coloring on the walls when I'd already told her not to and took her crayons away from her. She did not get a spanking for doing things like pouring baby powder on the floor. My nephews, I hit them as toddlers for hitting me first, particularly in the face. Meaning they hit ME in the face out of the blue. Then I'd whoop them. My middle child (oldest son) got a spanking for things like spitting at people. Which none of these things happened in excess, it's just that when they did happen...I was all over it.
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But really, literally LOL @ these folks who don't have kids who have it all figured out.

It's completely fine to have ideals about how you'll raise your kids, but the reality is far from what your idealism leads you to believe. It's hard to to raise kids. It's a 24/7 thankless job and issues come up constantly. It tests your patience, your beliefs, your frustrations levels, your love, your energy, your nurturing side, your anger, your wisdom, your rationality, etc, etc, etc. Yet, at the same time it is a blessing you can never even imagine and there is a lot of pride and pleasure and unconditional love that you've never experienced before.

So those of you who are harsh in your assessment of someone else's motherhood, you might want to keep your opinions to yourself until you've been there and done that. Until you've experienced it, you can't really make a judgement of how someone else goes about the task.

Those of you who have raised your kids and are doing so now....I'm sure your opinions are more helpful than you know.

How fucking hilarious hypocrites are.


The above coming from a mother who got all upset because her ADULT daughter was dating a man with tattoos. And in your mind, he was a bad sort to be hanging with since he had tats. And you make a thread to vent out how upset you are and wanted advice on how to interfere in her life and make her see reason to get away from a tattoo/bad man.

And you justified by saying bullshit like: a mother is always going to be concerned for her child, at any age ... when that wasn't even what you were doing.

You weren't concerning, you were controlling and being overbearing based on your own prejudices.


And then you come and say bullshit in here like, "unconditional love".

Maybe he turned out bad, maybe not .... but, the point is you were imposing your prejudices on her, and being the exact opposite of what you are preaching here.



You just can't pay for entertainment like this ......


My issue is that she was 22 dating a 45 year old man and I was concerned about the man's motives.
The tattoos, I didn't like, but I can deal with that.
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You missed the point then and you miss it now. I don't know if it's intention, or if you're actually this dense.

As it happened at the time, your adult daughter was in mad attraction for this man, he rocked her world. You didn't even know this man. You made assessments of his character based on your own prejudices and
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You missed the point then and you miss it now. I don't know if it's intention, or if you're actually this dense.

As it happened at the time, your adult daughter was in mad attraction for this man, he rocked her world. You didn't even know this man. You made assessments of his character based on your own prejudices and then imposed your decisions upon her as to whether he is acceptable to you. She never had an issue that that man, at that time.

You didn't care a less what her wishes were, what she wanted, you never for one second that she might be happy ...... you didn't know this man. You had no clue to what his character was actually like ... and you didn't care.

You wanted to force her into listening to what you want her to do ... and you wanted to call it love.


Still, as it's told to you again ... you feign complete ignorance and just babble bullshit like, "I didn't like, "I was" , "my issue" ..... you're so short sighted that you can only comprehend your own likes or dislikes. Meanwhile, at that time, your daughter wanted to be where she was and she was happy.

You didn't care a less about her being happy.


So, now here you are pretending to be a good mother ........ rflamo



Maybe you're not pretending ... maybe you really are a dumb dumb
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You missed the point then and you miss it now. I don't know if it's intention, or if you're actually this dense.

As it happened at the time, your adult daughter was in mad attraction for this man, he rocked her world. You didn't even know this man. You made assessments of his character based on your own prejudices and then imposed your decisions upon her as to whether he is acceptable to you. She never had an issue that that man, at that time.

You didn't care a less what her wishes were, what she wanted, you never for one second that she might be happy ...... you didn't know this man. You had no clue to what his character was actually like ... and you didn't care.

You wanted to force her into listening to what you want her to do ... and you wanted to call it love.


Still, as it's told to you again ... you feign complete ignorance and just babble bullshit like, "I didn't like, "I was" , "my issue" ..... you're so short sighted that you can only comprehend your own likes or dislikes. Meanwhile, at that time, your daughter wanted to be where she was and she was happy.

You didn't care a less about her being happy.


So, now here you are pretending to be a good mother ........ rflamo



Maybe you're not pretending ... maybe you really are a dumb dumb
Piss off, P.
I came here to get some other perspectives six months ago (or so) Yes, I shared my concerns here, but I did not push my so called prejudices onto her. I let my adult child do her own thing.

Now, quit derailing the thread.
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@MsTeeq, with the swatting the hand, the goal isn't to cause pain, which is why it's not related to smacking them on the butt. Swatting the hand is just to let them know that whatever they're reaching for or got their hands on is not something that they're allowed to go near/hold. That's to teach them, not punish. I can't advocate for spanking in any situation.
I respect that. This is the beauty of every parent determining their own style of guidance, rewards, and consequences. I have a friend who is a nurse and let me just throw another thing out there...she talks openly about how the testosterone levels are higher in black teen males than others. I think more than culture, you have some scientific basis for why more or less force is applicable when discipline comes into play. Now, that totally wouldn't apply to a lil 2 year old fellow, but it would be applicable to setting expectations early on so that little 2 year old fellow plus 11-15 years knows what to expect when he gets out of line or becomes aggressive towards his parents. But I respect what you're saying. Nothing to it.
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So I was thinking... Since, he isn't with you much right now.. When he is, I would really try to not focus on his bad behavior, unless, it's putting him in danger. I would redirect and focus on what he is doing right, so that would encourage more positive praise from him. Kids will seek attention any way they can get it, negative or positive. Negative behavior gets very quick reactions..

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And by the way, my daughter was not happy. She found out soon after that the mother f*cker was married. He had lied to her and she dumped him.

So, did I have a right to be concerned? Damn right I did!.
Just ignore her.
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You know, I know better than to engage with her. She twists everything up. Sometimes I just can't not engage.
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And by the way, my daughter was not happy. She found out soon after that the mother f*cker was married. He had lied to her and she dumped him.

So, did I have a right to be concerned? Damn right I did!.

No, you didn't have a right to tell her what to do with her love life based off of your prejudices.

You don't have a right to tell anyone what to do based off of discrimination of any kind ... and that was my point then, and my point now ... which you will pretend to be too stupid to acknowledge, because like most people, you can't handle being wrong.

You didn't know this man. You had no clue about the character of this man ...... you attempted to control the love life of another adult based off of you not liking tattoos. You can come back here a lie all you want, but, the proof is in that thread. That is, if you have the courage to still have it up. Likely you closed it, so nobody can see that you're lying.


I never said you didn't have a right to be concerned. not then, and not now .... but as I predicted, that is the justification you are holding onto ... because you cant' handle the truth, or maybe you are that stupid.

And yes she was happy. You stated it several times in that thread. Again ... you're lying. You won't even own your own words. What a douchebag.


You did NOT have a right to tell your adult daughter that she had to adhere to your wishes on her love life based on your prejudices about a man you never even fucking met, but, didn't like him because he had tattoos.

It doesn't matter whether you engage me or not, because you don't control what I say and when I say it. I don't say any of this for you ... it's all for the viewing audience, as it always has been ... so that they realize the hypocrite you are every time you make a statement about motherhood.

You always think you have awesome mothering skills You even condone this awful person in here who hits a baby. When in reality, you suck at a mother, considering you aren't capable of letting your daughter live her own love life without you interfering.

You can ignore me until the cows come home ... but, I'm still going to show the viewing audience excactly how much of a hypocrite you are everything you make insinuations at how good of a parent you are, when you're not.
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...... I did not push my so called prejudices onto her. I let my adult child do her own thing.



That's a lie.

In fact, when I questioned you about your motives in interfering into her love life you said that's how your mother treated you when you were younger. You said that your mother pushed her beliefs onto you ..... you were using your mother treating you that way as an excuse when justifying your actions to me when I called you on them.


so, the truth is .... you weren't letting her do her own thing. You came in here to get ideas from people on how to approach her so that she will listen to you, so you can tell her what to do because that man is bad, because he has tattoos.


You apparently lie so much that you cannot even keep the facts straight.


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And by the way, my daughter was not happy. She found out soon after that the mother f*cker was married. He had lied to her and she dumped him.

So, did I have a right to be concerned? Damn right I did!.

No, you didn't have a right to tell her what to do with her love life based off of your prejudices.

You don't have a right to tell anyone what to do based off of discrimination of any kind ... and that was my point then, and my point now ... which you will pretend to be too stupid to acknowledge, because like most people, you can't handle being wrong.

You didn't know this man. You had no clue about the character of this man ...... you attempted to control the love life of another adult based off of you not liking tattoos. You can come back here a lie all you want, but, the proof is in that thread. That is, if you have the courage to still have it up. Likely you closed it, so nobody can see that you're lying.


I never said you didn't have a right to be concerned. not then, and not now .... but as I predicted, that is the justification you are holding onto ... because you cant' handle the truth, or maybe you are that stupid.

And yes she was happy. You stated it several times in that thread. Again ... you're lying. You won't even own your own words. What a douchebag.


You did NOT have a right to tell your adult daughter that she had to adhere to your wishes on her love life based on your prejudices about a man you never even fucking met, but, didn't like him because he had tattoos.

It doesn't matter whether you engage me or not, because you don't control what I say and when I say it. I don't say any of this for you ... it's all for the viewing audience, as it always has been ... so that they realize the hypocrite you are every time you make a statement about motherhood.

You always think you have awesome mothering skills You even condone this awful person in here who hits a baby. When in reality, you suck at a mother, considering you aren't capable of letting your daughter live her own love life without you interfering.

You can ignore me until the cows come home ... but, I'm still going to show the viewing audience excactly how much of a hypocrite you are everything you make insinuations at how good of a parent you are, when you're not.
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I didn't tell her what to do with her life. What part of that do you NOT get?
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...... I did not push my so called prejudices onto her. I let my adult child do her own thing.



That's a lie.

In fact, when I questioned you about your motives in interfering into her love life you said that's how your mother treated you when you were younger. You said that your mother pushed her beliefs onto you ..... you were using your mother treating you that way as an excuse when justifying your actions to me when I called you on them.


so, the truth is .... you weren't letting her do her own thing. You came in here to get ideas from people on how to approach her so that she will listen to you, so you can tell her what to do because that man is bad, because he has tattoos.


You apparently lie so much that you cannot even keep the facts straight.


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Yes, I did seek ideas on how to approach, but after getting several various insights, I did not.
And yes, she was happy until she found out he was a lying scumbag. Then she was not.

And I NEVER claimed that I was a better mother than anyone else. I only pointed out that people without kids have an ideologic view on how they will mother, yet the reality is much more difficult than the ideology.
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Here's the thread P-Angel is referencing about my daughter.
No where in this thread did I say anything to support her accusations. It's just her and her accusations that that's she's referring to.
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/capricorn/should-i-be-concerned-5315584/

And OP, I'm sorry this got derailed on this subject.

I'm trying to remember when my children were two and how we handled some of those things, so I could offer some suggestions, but it's been so, so long ago (16-20 years ago).
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Here's the thread P-Angel is referencing about my daughter.
No where in this thread did I say anything to support her accusations. It's just her and her accusations that that's she's referring to.
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/capricorn/should-i-be-concerned-5315584/

And OP, I'm sorry this got derailed on this subject.

I'm trying to remember when my children were two and how we handled some of those things, so I could offer some suggestions, but it's been so, so long ago (16-20 years ago).
What did I say woman!
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I know, I know. I just don't like being accused with irrational accusations.

*takes slap on wrist like a woman*

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And by the way, my daughter was not happy. She found out soon after that the mother f*cker was married. He had lied to her and she dumped him.

So, did I have a right to be concerned? Damn right I did!.
Just ignore her.
You know, I know better than to engage with her. She twists everything up. Sometimes I just can't not engage.
cappy, you are an intelligent woman. ignore the troll, she is just here to attempt to rile people


stoners gonna stone


block her
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Lol!

True, so true.
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@MsTeeq, with the swatting the hand, the goal isn't to cause pain, which is why it's not related to smacking them on the butt. Swatting the hand is just to let them know that whatever they're reaching for or got their hands on is not something that they're allowed to go near/hold. That's to teach them, not punish. I can't advocate for spanking in any situation.
I respect that. This is the beauty of every parent determining their own style of guidance, rewards, and consequences. I have a friend who is a nurse and let me just throw another thing out there...she talks openly about how the testosterone levels are higher in black teen males than others. I think more than culture, you have some scientific basis for why more or less force is applicable when discipline comes into play. Now, that totally wouldn't apply to a lil 2 year old fellow, but it would be applicable to setting expectations early on so that little 2 year old fellow plus 11-15 years knows what to expect when he gets out of line or becomes aggressive towards his parents. But I respect what you're saying. Nothing to it.
".she talks openly about how the testosterone levels are higher in black teen males than others"

Interesting
I've read that somewhere too but I think it applied specifically to African Americans, who mostly are descended from West Africa.

I don't know if that study was legit tho. Were participants randomly selected? Sample size?
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I'm not quite sure, but when I see her again, I'll ask her about this specifically, because I would like to know too. lol