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Posted by Moonbutter Oh sorry, I missed this I was on my phone earlier..my chart looks like this: (not as fancy as yours)

Asc-Aries
Sun-Cancer
Mars-Gemini
Moon-Sagittarius
Mercury-Cancer
Venus-Leo
N Node-Leo
You have a placement in every fire sign, that sort of trinal placement is very fancy. They also happen to be houses 1,5 and 9 - which are very important houses. I am guessing you have a close relationship with your father.

Where is Jupiter and Saturn placed? What decan cancer are you, date?
Oh no,, not close with my dad but maybe closer then in the past. My bday is July 13 I think that's 3rd decan, right?
Jupiter-Libra
Saturn-Libra
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So you were born in July 1981 or 82, that's when the Saturn/Jupiter conjunction happened. Saturn is exalted in Libra, that's a great placement. However, since it's in the 7th house, it tends to slow down relationships. Is your mom closer to you than your dad?

Btw, you have more air in your chart with those two heavy planets in Libra, it's not just the Mars.
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Hmm I see well you narrowed that down pretty fast, lol. I'm closer with my mom. Relationships are a disaster for me that's why I am taking hiatus from dating.
I think I am more airy I get along really well with Aquas, Gems and my mom is a Libra. Guess that makes me a "hot" air-head with all my fire and air haha.
Yeah, the moon represents your mother and it's in the 9th house which normally represents your father. That's an interesting placement.

Relationships are not a disaster, you just have to date serious men, with that Saturn placement if you date superficial dumb guys, you'll have a lot of heartache.

So, in the larger analysis, you're all fire and air and I am all earth and water with some air. Sounds like a fit to me 😉
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Hmm I see well you narrowed that down pretty fast, lol. I'm closer with my mom. Relationships are a disaster for me that's why I am taking hiatus from dating.
I think I am more airy I get along really well with Aquas, Gems and my mom is a Libra. Guess that makes me a "hot" air-head with all my fire and air haha.
Yeah, the moon represents your mother and it's in the 9th house which normally represents your father. That's an interesting placement.

Relationships are not a disaster, you just have to date serious men, with that Saturn placement if you date superficial dumb guys, you'll have a lot of heartache.

So, in the larger analysis, you're all fire and air and I am all earth and water with some air. Sounds like a fit to me 😉
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Wow, I really like how you put this all together in a tidy lil package. OH yeah maybe you can explain why my dad and I can't seem to connect, he's a Virgo.
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Hmm I see well you narrowed that down pretty fast, lol. I'm closer with my mom. Relationships are a disaster for me that's why I am taking hiatus from dating.
I think I am more airy I get along really well with Aquas, Gems and my mom is a Libra. Guess that makes me a "hot" air-head with all my fire and air haha.
Yeah, the moon represents your mother and it's in the 9th house which normally represents your father. That's an interesting placement.

Relationships are not a disaster, you just have to date serious men, with that Saturn placement if you date superficial dumb guys, you'll have a lot of heartache.

So, in the larger analysis, you're all fire and air and I am all earth and water with some air. Sounds like a fit to me 😉
Wow, I really like how you put this all together in a tidy lil package. OH yeah maybe you can explain why my dad and I can't seem to connect, he's a Virgo.
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A little later, I am going to get some sleep now 😛

I like your chart.
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Posted by incandescentcancerGo for those men with prominent Jupiter, Mars or sun placement. Also it would be good for you to have partner to have bit more water or earth than you do, that should set you up nicely.
Yes I agree I need earth as I have none
That's it, always go for something that will strengthen both of you on the overall. The synastry chart is like a jigsaw puzzle that needs to fit together for things to work out over the long term. In the short term any two people can be in a relationship that doesn't mean anything. If you want a couple to be happy together over the long term and also succeed, then you need to put the jigsaw puzzle together right.
I know but omg I swear I can't even find a guy that isn't either gay, taken or a big douche. Sigh. I need to move lol
Women say that all the time and I know a ton of nice guys who are usually sitting alone watching TV. I just don't think people are thinking straight about what they want or looking in the right places. Our system of finding partners is clearly broken and superficial.
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Definitely agree with your about looking in the right places. But she could be right as well, especially if she lives in a small town/city.
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He could still have feelings OR he now just values you as a friend. Either way isn't bad.
Yes but how can I tell the difference?
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All this confusion is not required. When someone truly loves you, there is no ambiguity or doubts, you know it immediately in your heart.

If you have confusion, then it just isn't there.
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He could still have feelings OR he now just values you as a friend. Either way isn't bad.
Yes but how can I tell the difference?
All this confusion is not required. When someone truly loves you, there is no ambiguity or doubts, you know it immediately in your heart.

If you have confusion, then it just isn't there.
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Yes, I agree that's the issue I feel it, like a 'knowing' but I also know he has a complicated life and doesn't want to drag anyone into as would not be fair to them. My heart says yes, my head says "I dunno" .
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Also is he an introverted type? I'm Venus Gem, Mars Taurus etc and I proceed with caution. When it's all clear I open up. Just be patient. We're skiddish sometimes. 🙂
I think yes he is when it comes to love..He has Cancer Venus so I know he is very sensitive and cautious. He takes 1 step forward, 1 step back, then sideways...then back in the shell, etc lol
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He could still have feelings OR he now just values you as a friend. Either way isn't bad.
Yes but how can I tell the difference?
All this confusion is not required. When someone truly loves you, there is no ambiguity or doubts, you know it immediately in your heart.

If you have confusion, then it just isn't there.
Yes, I agree that's the issue I feel it, like a 'knowing' but I also know he has a complicated life and doesn't want to drag anyone into as would not be fair to them. My heart says yes, my head says "I dunno" .
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Then just pull back and let him come to you, that's basically it.
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He could still have feelings OR he now just values you as a friend. Either way isn't bad.
Yes but how can I tell the difference?
All this confusion is not required. When someone truly loves you, there is no ambiguity or doubts, you know it immediately in your heart.

If you have confusion, then it just isn't there.
I disagree, many peeps confuse lust or infatuation with love. Some people can even create the idea of love in their mind, when no such feelings actually exist

Sometimes people can become so smitten with someone they see what they want to see and will latch on to anything the other person does or says to validate what they hope for, but is not there.

You're also suggesting that if someone loves another, that they are able to or willing to express that love, unambiguously, this is not always the case.

The road to love is not always a nicely paved, straight and clear road, with sign posts, sometimes it's a winding rocky goat track on the side of a mountain.
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Dang those goats always be in my way!!
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He could still have feelings OR he now just values you as a friend. Either way isn't bad.
Yes but how can I tell the difference?
All this confusion is not required. When someone truly loves you, there is no ambiguity or doubts, you know it immediately in your heart.

If you have confusion, then it just isn't there.
I disagree, many peeps confuse lust or infatuation with love. Some people can even create the idea of love in their mind, when no such feelings actually exist

Sometimes people can become so smitten with someone they see what they want to see and will latch on to anything the other person does or says to validate what they hope for, but is not there.

You're also suggesting that if someone loves another, that they are able to or willing to express that love, unambiguously, this is not always the case.

The road to love is not always a nicely paved, straight and clear road, with sign posts, sometimes it's a winding rocky goat track on the side of a mountain.
I don't think he's saying it's nicely paved. The simplest feelings are often the hardest. I took it to mean that if it's confusing, then the feeling between two people clearly isn't mutual. They may both have feelings for one another, just in different ballparks.
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What do you mean different ballparks?
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Also is he an introverted type? I'm Venus Gem, Mars Taurus etc and I proceed with caution. When it's all clear I open up. Just be patient. We're skiddish sometimes. 🙂
I think yes he is when it comes to love..He has Cancer Venus so I know he is very sensitive and cautious. He takes 1 step forward, 1 step back, then sideways...then back in the shell, etc lol
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Oh the Gem Venus threw me off lol
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Also is he an introverted type? I'm Venus Gem, Mars Taurus etc and I proceed with caution. When it's all clear I open up. Just be patient. We're skiddish sometimes. 🙂
I think yes he is when it comes to love..He has Cancer Venus so I know he is very sensitive and cautious. He takes 1 step forward, 1 step back, then sideways...then back in the shell, etc lol
Oh the Gem Venus threw me off lol
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Oh haha yeah my bad But surely a Cancer Vnus would be even more so of a softy and cautious, no?
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He could still have feelings OR he now just values you as a friend. Either way isn't bad.
Yes but how can I tell the difference?
All this confusion is not required. When someone truly loves you, there is no ambiguity or doubts, you know it immediately in your heart.

If you have confusion, then it just isn't there.
I disagree, many peeps confuse lust or infatuation with love. Some people can even create the idea of love in their mind, when no such feelings actually exist

Sometimes people can become so smitten with someone they see what they want to see and will latch on to anything the other person does or says to validate what they hope for, but is not there.

You're also suggesting that if someone loves another, that they are able to or willing to express that love, unambiguously, this is not always the case.

The road to love is not always a nicely paved, straight and clear road, with sign posts, sometimes it's a winding rocky goat track on the side of a mountain.
I don't think he's saying it's nicely paved. The simplest feelings are often the hardest. I took it to mean that if it's confusing, then the feeling between two people clearly isn't mutual. They may both have feelings for one another, just in different ballparks.
Thanks for remaining firmly astride your golden fence. LOL

No ambiguity, no confusion, no doubts.....implies it's nicely paved and sign posted
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I tend to agree, and I rather go down the road less traveled if you know what I mean 😉
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He could still have feelings OR he now just values you as a friend. Either way isn't bad.
Yes but how can I tell the difference?
All this confusion is not required. When someone truly loves you, there is no ambiguity or doubts, you know it immediately in your heart.

If you have confusion, then it just isn't there.
I disagree, many peeps confuse lust or infatuation with love. Some people can even create the idea of love in their mind, when no such feelings actually exist

Sometimes people can become so smitten with someone they see what they want to see and will latch on to anything the other person does or says to validate what they hope for, but is not there.

You're also suggesting that if someone loves another, that they are able to or willing to express that love, unambiguously, this is not always the case.

The road to love is not always a nicely paved, straight and clear road, with sign posts, sometimes it's a winding rocky goat track on the side of a mountain.
I don't think he's saying it's nicely paved. The simplest feelings are often the hardest. I took it to mean that if it's confusing, then the feeling between two people clearly isn't mutual. They may both have feelings for one another, just in different ballparks.
What do you mean different ballparks?
I mean it could be that what you both have to offer each other is not what the other one wants. It happens. Doesn't mean there aren't feelings but feelings do not automatically mean mutual bond.
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Aha, I get it thanks 🙂
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He could still have feelings OR he now just values you as a friend. Either way isn't bad.
Yes but how can I tell the difference?
All this confusion is not required. When someone truly loves you, there is no ambiguity or doubts, you know it immediately in your heart.

If you have confusion, then it just isn't there.
I disagree, many peeps confuse lust or infatuation with love. Some people can even create the idea of love in their mind, when no such feelings actually exist

Sometimes people can become so smitten with someone they see what they want to see and will latch on to anything the other person does or says to validate what they hope for, but is not there.

You're also suggesting that if someone loves another, that they are able to or willing to express that love, unambiguously, this is not always the case.

The road to love is not always a nicely paved, straight and clear road, with sign posts, sometimes it's a winding rocky goat track on the side of a mountain.
I don't think he's saying it's nicely paved. The simplest feelings are often the hardest. I took it to mean that if it's confusing, then the feeling between two people clearly isn't mutual. They may both have feelings for one another, just in different ballparks.
Thanks for remaining firmly astride your golden fence. LOL

No ambiguity, no confusion, no doubts.....implies it's nicely paved and sign posted
I tend to agree, and I rather go down the road less traveled if you know what I mean 😉
Isn't that more or less the problem though? No one wants it simple at first, even if it is - in truth - actually very simple. It's not important anyway, just an idea.
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Well nothing is ever simple. you either go through the rough patches in the beginning or in the middle. I have done the smooth sailing many times and left me 'shipwrecked.' Maybe starting out having to navigate the choppy waters is the way to go.
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Posted by BlackNova I disagree, many peeps confuse lust or infatuation with love. Some people can even create the idea of love in their mind, when no such feelings actually exist

Sometimes people can become so smitten with someone they see what they want to see and will latch on to anything the other person does or says to validate what they hope for, but is not there.

You're also suggesting that if someone loves another, that they are able to or willing to express that love, unambiguously, this is not always the case.

The road to love is not always a nicely paved, straight and clear road, with sign posts, sometimes it's a winding rocky goat track on the side of a mountain.
I am talking about recognition when someone expresses love towards you. nothing else.
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Posted by tiziani I don't think he's saying it's nicely paved. The simplest feelings are often the hardest. I took it to mean that if it's confusing, then the feeling between two people clearly isn't mutual. They may both have feelings for one another, just in different ballparks.
Yeah, if there is confusion then it probably isn't love to begin with.
This is not a cosmic truth, it's only your perception of love, or what love should be, in your personal view.

A confused state of mind, does not exclude the possibility that love exists or that a love can grow from a certain point in a relationship.
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We can always argue about the existence of exceptions and surely you can succeed in providing examples. By and large, if there is need for growth hormones to create love or confusion of whether there is love or not, you're just convincing yourself.

This is not about any great cosmic truth, simple common sense proven empirically over and over again on these very boards. How often have you seen any of these confused tales of love turning into "yaaayyy, the other person did truly love me after all", that's right, exactly 0.
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Isn't that more or less the problem though? No one wants it simple at first, even if it is - in truth - actually very simple. It's not important anyway, just an idea.

yeah, that's my basic point. Incandescentcancer was suggesting that there is some metaphysical law or enlightened thought that true love is never ambiguous or confusing.
Humans however, by nature, are emotional creatures (even Libra's) ....love is always subjective and colored by our emotions and experiences, our desires and needs.

Even if you apply the concept that simplicity in love is just a state of mind, this notion never manifests itself as simple or unambiguous, because love is not a fixed thing, it is an arbitrary thing, it changes and moves around, and true love can mean different things at different times in our lives.

If you ask everyone what is true love, you will get all kinds of differing views
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You're attributing to me things that I did not say. Nowhere have I provided a linear definition of love. If anything, I am pointing out to a very primal human instinct for recognition of the existence of love. However, we may behave deep down we all know if there is love or not. It's funny to contest that.
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Confusion could be as simple as fear blocking love
This I agree with^^^even for me. Maybe my friend is scared, but so am I which makes me even more confused of my feelings as well.
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You may have fear blocking the expression of love but that doesn't mean you don 't know that you love. That's what blacknova is arguing which is funny
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Posted by BlackNova 2. A state of mental confusion does not automatically exclude the existence of love, or that someone does or doesn't feel love, or the potential for love to grow from a certain point in a relationship.
It does. You can't say that you're confused about what your feelings are in most average cases. That's just escapism because you don't want to have the tougher conversations.
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Confusion could be as simple as fear blocking love
This I agree with^^^even for me. Maybe my friend is scared, but so am I which makes me even more confused of my feelings as well.
You may have fear blocking the expression of love but that doesn't mean you don 't know that you love. That's what blacknova is arguing which is funny
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Well I feel love for the person, I'm just not sure what type...really good friend I kinda like, or someone I could really be with...If he found someone I don't think I would be that upset actually, but at the same time I want to take care of him lol. Damn Cancer traits!
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Isn't that more or less the problem though? No one wants it simple at first, even if it is - in truth - actually very simple. It's not important anyway, just an idea.

yeah, that's my basic point. Incandescentcancer was suggesting that there is some metaphysical law or enlightened thought that true love is never ambiguous or confusing.
Humans however, by nature, are emotional creatures (even Libra's) ....love is always subjective and colored by our emotions and experiences, our desires and needs.

Even if you apply the concept that simplicity in love is just a state of mind, this notion never manifests itself as simple or unambiguous, because love is not a fixed thing, it is an arbitrary thing, it changes and moves around, and true love can mean different things at different times in our lives.

If you ask everyone what is true love, you will get all kinds of differing views
You're attributing to me things that I did not say. Nowhere have I provided a linear definition of love. If anything, I am pointing out to a very primal human instinct for recognition of the existence of love. However, we may behave deep down we all know if there is love or not. It's funny to contest that.
Your word play jiggery won't work on me mr. crab

You stated very clearly.....if there is confusion or ambiguity, then love never existed or didn't exist in the first place.
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That's still what I am saying, I have no idea why you think I am not. But I did not discuss anything about "true love" etc. I was merely talking about recognition.

Son, I think you're confused.
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Posted by BlackNova 2. A state of mental confusion does not automatically exclude the existence of love, or that someone does or doesn't feel love, or the potential for love to grow from a certain point in a relationship.
It does. You can't say that you're confused about what your feelings are in most average cases. That's just escapism because you don't want to have the tougher conversations.
What?
It Sounds like you're now trying to butter your bread on both sides
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How do you want me to spell this out to make it easy for you to understand?

Recognition of love in yourself or in the other person "should" be simple, if it isn't then the reality is that it's probably not love. This applies to most cases and obviously there will be a few exceptions.
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This makes me sad. Why so final perhaps she did want to go in same direction and nice she felt for u
Off topic but relevant.

A few years ago, I had to go to a psychiatrist because I was clinically depressed. It was mostly a non-rewarding experience. She was basically buying all the bullshit I was selling, but she did say something that left an impression on me. She said that inner harmony (she never cared about happiness, but I think she refereed to inner harmony and happiness interchangeably) is a sequence of investigations and actions. The sequence goes

1 - Know who you are.
2 - If you figured out the answer to #1, then you have to figure out now where you are going
3 - If you figured out the answer to #1 + #2, then you have to figure out how you're going to get there
4 - If you figured out the answer to #1 + #2 + #3, then you have to figure out who are you going to take with you.

When it comes to the Gemini & I, I know my #1,#2,#3. She doesn't know her #1 & #3 and already wants me to be her #4. If I add some sex and emotional/economical security to her equation, she would just adapt and play along for another x amount of time before she just calls quit because she is so miserable. Been there, done that, got the scars. I should know better than ruin my "inner harmony" for someone who's not going where i'm going.

That's how I see it.
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This is a really great chart, thanks for sharing 🙂
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Posted by BlackNovaNot only is this forum a small reference pool, but you have no way of knowing what transpires in peoples lives outside this forum. Plus, There is only ever one side of the story and it is mostly always embedded with personal bias and emotion.

Common sense?
Common sense is not intrinsic to feelings or affairs of heart.

As I've already stated, nobody can define a simple, unambiguous meaning for what love is.
You're trying to present you comment (above) as being the answer to the emotions and feelings, that is.....love

Just stop with your jibberish.
And not even in this small pool, you have been able to give me one empirical example of a success. Now just because you were not able to contest my statement with facts, don't get mean and go around calling people's words jibberish.

I think the problem here is you're being a petulant child because you couldn't prove anything. When you actually have something, come back to me.

The rest of your statements are a rant and don't address anything I said, go back to the drawing board.
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Posted by BlackNova 2. A state of mental confusion does not automatically exclude the existence of love, or that someone does or doesn't feel love, or the potential for love to grow from a certain point in a relationship.
It does. You can't say that you're confused about what your feelings are in most average cases. That's just escapism because you don't want to have the tougher conversations.
What?
It Sounds like you're now trying to butter your bread on both sides
How do you want me to spell this out to make it easy for you to understand?

Recognition of love in yourself or in the other person "should" be simple, if it isn't then the reality is that it's probably not love. This applies to most cases and obviously there will be a few exceptions.
Should be simple....according to you. But rarely is simple.....this is my point, which challenges your original premise that it should be, and is simple....but it's not
Now you're starting get condescending
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I am being condescending because I am getting tired with your lack of grasp of my statement. On top of that you still haven't been able to contest a very simple point that I made, show me one case on this forum where someone came in confused and then returned to tell you a great success story. Wherever there was confusion, it just ended in failure at the end.
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Posted by incandescentcancer
Posted by tiziani I don't think he's saying it's nicely paved. The simplest feelings are often the hardest. I took it to mean that if it's confusing, then the feeling between two people clearly isn't mutual. They may both have feelings for one another, just in different ballparks.
Yeah, if there is confusion then it probably isn't love to begin with.
This is not a cosmic truth, it's only your perception of love, or what love should be, in your personal view.

A confused state of mind, does not exclude the possibility that love exists or that a love can grow from a certain point in a relationship.
We can always argue about the existence of exceptions and surely you can succeed in providing examples. By and large, if there is need for growth hormones to create love or confusion of whether there is love or not, you're just convincing yourself.

This is not about any great cosmic truth, simple common sense proven empirically over and over again on these very boards. How often have you seen any of these confused tales of love turning into "yaaayyy, the other person did truly love me after all", that's right, exactly 0.

Not only is this forum a small reference pool, but you have no way of knowing what transpires in peoples lives outside this forum. Plus, There is only ever one side of the story and it is mostly always embedded with personal bias and emotion.

Common sense?
Common sense is not intrinsic to feelings or affairs of heart.

As I've already stated, nobody can define a simple, unambiguous meaning for what love is.
You're trying to present you comment (above) as being the answer to the emotions and feelings, that is.....love

Just stop with your jibberish.
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Is it weird, this is kinda turning me on? 😛 Please continue boys....
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Posted by incandescentcancer
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Posted by kissmygrits
He could still have feelings OR he now just values you as a friend. Either way isn't bad.
Yes but how can I tell the difference?
All this confusion is not required. When someone truly loves you, there is no ambiguity or doubts, you know it immediately in your heart.

If you have confusion, then it just isn't there.
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No offense but some of us are Virgos 😢

We don't get obvious signs, let alone "feelings in our hearts".