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Sorry I don't know what happened there.

Great first paragraph, you are right on!

Unfortunately these boards are filled with ladies like this, they don't ever seem to get it either. How hard is it to develop an EQ?

Sorry for getting off topic here, just some venting...
The women on this board are desperate and turn into Pepe le pew. Constant "take me" "take me" isnt even enough for the guy to wanna take them. That should tell them of the guy's absolute disinterest, but nooooo.
Yup.

Whats worse is that there are women on this board who cannot tell the difference between their emotions and the other persons.. They think that if they have strong feelings the dude then has them too, despite how badly they are being treated and ignored, sometimes with very obvious game, yet there is that feeling of entitlement. Guys don't play hard to get or disappear for long if they are into you, are you disappearing on the dude you like? duh.
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This is very true... lol... Mine is around 24/7, he just wants to be BFFS... It's killing me. I can't even go anywhere or think of dating (not that I'd want to either) without him noticing or giving me an inquisition over where I'm going, who with, to do what... He'll even sabotage my networking plans if I'm dressed too revealing for after hours business and drinks events. If a man wants you, he doesn't hide, he takes possession
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Posted by Arielle83
@neves

Some cancers don't need as many people liking them as many people do.

If you're pursuing me, and there's something about you, my intuition pays attention to, then why do I need to let you in just because that's what you want?

On the other hand, I pursued only two men in my life, because I knew there was something in them I saw comfy. I never had a guard with them. I married one of them.

Like I said the push and pull means something isn't at a comfy level yet.
The push pull means that they don't feel secure enough or they are scared to let you into their lives. @neves - once they finally let you in, it's still no picnic, they test you continuously. The crab is very guarded and very distrusting. It takes a lot to finally win their favor
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Sorry I don't know what happened there.

Great first paragraph, you are right on!

Unfortunately these boards are filled with ladies like this, they don't ever seem to get it either. How hard is it to develop an EQ?

Sorry for getting off topic here, just some venting...
The women on this board are desperate and turn into Pepe le pew. Constant "take me" "take me" isnt even enough for the guy to wanna take them. That should tell them of the guy's absolute disinterest, but nooooo.
Yup.

Whats worse is that there are women on this board who cannot tell the difference between their emotions and the other persons.. They think that if they have strong feelings the dude then has them too, despite how badly they are being treated and ignored, sometimes with very obvious game, yet there is that feeling of entitlement. Guys don't play hard to get or disappear for long if they are into you, are you disappearing on the dude you like? duh.
This is very true... lol... Mine is around 24/7, he just wants to be BFFS... It's killing me. I can't even go anywhere or think of dating (not that I'd want to either) without him noticing or giving me an inquisition over where I'm going, who with, to do what... He'll even sabotage my networking plans if I'm dressed too revealing for after hours business and drinks events. If a man wants you, he doesn't hide, he takes possession
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Well, I want to be clear, I wasn't talking specifically about your particular situation. The whole BFF thing here does throw me for a loop and it sounds a bit gamey if hes telling you that's all he wants is to be BFFS and his actions are a bit more possessive. I know a lot of dudes that have acted possessive with me, and have had no interest in anything other than physical, (even though I never put out haha). Being a virgo, I have been able to step outside a situation and turn to my mercurial side to navigate the logic of a situation or a conversation in a similar way to air sign women in determining what is actually going on. Being a gemini I think this should also be fairly easy for you. The trick is to step outside your emotions to see clearly-perspective.

Once you look at your options you can begin to play around with what to do next in your mind and all the possible consequences.

Whatever you do, please put yourself first, looks like hes not and your feelings are valuable.
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@cocokat - girl, trust me, even all my Geminis in my head are confused! Lol... They're having a caucus like they do in parliament or the senate to confer on the status of nations! Haha... They other day he realized I was depressed (over all this insecurity) and he kept prodding to get me to tell him why I looked sick and falling apart. I have a ton of stress from work etc so this added emotional crap was just too much, I went a week wearing easy to coordinate-black and quick to get out of the house-no makeup. Lol... I was in my "I don't give a butter mode" AND he was like so nervous over my non-Barbie status! He kept asking people if I'd told anyone why I looked upset and kept asking me... My response was -leave me the butter alone, I'm working through stuff! I'm not telling you, so stop. Lol... Then he started getting mean and told me I needed to get my stuff together cause I looked bad, like I was falling apart...and what was up with all this non-sexy covered up black clothing etc (I didn't look like all that bad!) ... He loves those 34-D's lol
Then the next day I wore a bright floral dress, with a sweetheart neckline that I was falling out of and my high heels and lots of eye makeup lol, my hair "all did up!" Haha... He was all better lol..
He said that he hated me looking so depressed and sad, and that I needed to look beautiful all the time... He says weird stuff all the time, like if I follow his advice on my looks then he'll have me married before the end of the year, etc (he's such a dork!) He also tells me how I remind him all the time of his mom and sometimes his dad or brother lol... I'm a little bit like every member of his family! I just adore this silly man.
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@cocokat. It's interesting you mentioned those guys who act like a BF without the title. It's all on their heads.
I had two cancer coworkers in the past who acted all possessive and jealous about my interaction with other men. I wasn't even remotely interested in either other than a professional relationship. Meanwhile, they never attempted to ask me out but were very bold in sabotaging my good rapport with other male coworkers. They even used to come interrupt my conversations with other men and eavesdrop on them. In their stupid head, they probably viewed me as a gf, but reality was something else. One of them was sooo brutal in his jealousy that he made a smart ass comment to my insecure BF, at the time, when he came to visit. He said, "Oh, is that your BF? You might wanna keep a close eye on her. She's very popular with the guys here." My BF questioned me for a good one hr afterwards inquiring what that asshole meant by that. This asshole ironically had his gf working at the same place. He brought me to a point where I was going to report his ass not to HR, but to his gf. Seriously bud, you should be more concerned with her activities than mine.
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@cocokat - girl, trust me, even all my Geminis in my head are confused! Lol... They're having a caucus like they do in parliament or the senate to confer on the status of nations! Haha... They other day he realized I was depressed (over all this insecurity) and he kept prodding to get me to tell him why I looked sick and falling apart. I have a ton of stress from work etc so this added emotional crap was just too much, I went a week wearing easy to coordinate-black and quick to get out of the house-no makeup. Lol... I was in my "I don't give a butter mode" AND he was like so nervous over my non-Barbie status! He kept asking people if I'd told anyone why I looked upset and kept asking me... My response was -leave me the butter alone, I'm working through stuff! I'm not telling you, so stop. Lol... Then he started getting mean and told me I needed to get my stuff together cause I looked bad, like I was falling apart...and what was up with all this non-sexy covered up black clothing etc (I didn't look like all that bad!) ... He loves those 34-D's lol
Then the next day I wore a bright floral dress, with a sweetheart neckline that I was falling out of and my high heels and lots of eye makeup lol, my hair "all did up!" Haha... He was all better lol..
He said that he hated me looking so depressed and sad, and that I needed to look beautiful all the time... He says weird stuff all the time, like if I follow his advice on my looks then he'll have me married before the end of the year, etc (he's such a dork!) He also tells me how I remind him all the time of his mom and sometimes his dad or brother lol... I'm a little bit like every member of his family! I just adore this silly man.
Wow, he's really causing you a lot of emotional duress...

Good for you for not throwing him a bone (letting him know you were upset because of him), sounded like he even got mean about needing to know...

Good for you for doing you.
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@cocokat. It's interesting you mentioned those guys who act like a BF without the title. It's all on their heads.
I had two cancer coworkers in the past who acted all possessive and jealous about my interaction with other men. I wasn't even remotely interested in either other than a professional relationship. Meanwhile, they never attempted to ask me out but were very bold in sabotaging my good rapport with other male coworkers. They even used to come interrupt my conversations with other men and eavesdrop on them. In their stupid head, they probably viewed me as a gf, but reality was something else. One of them was sooo brutal in his jealousy that he made a smart ass comment to my insecure BF, at the time, when he came to visit. He said, "Oh, is that your BF? You might wanna keep a close eye on her. She's very popular with the guys here." My BF questioned me for a good one hr afterwards inquiring what that asshole meant by that. This asshole ironically had his gf working at the same place. He brought me to a point where I was going to report his ass not to HR, but to his gf. Seriously bud, you should be more concerned with her activities than mine.
Ive seen that before, and Ive had it happen to me.. where the interest is purely sexual, guys get funny and do the whole cock blocking but, acting crazy. BUT when a dude is serious about liking you they tend to not keep it in their heads, they want you for themselves. Jerks!
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Some cancers don't need as many people liking them as many people do.

If you're pursuing me, and there's something about you, my intuition pays attention to, then why do I need to let you in just because that's what you want?

On the other hand, I pursued only two men in my life, because I knew there was something in them I saw comfy. I never had a guard with them. I married one of them.

Like I said the push and pull means something isn't at a comfy level yet.
The push pull means that they don't feel secure enough or they are scared to let you into their lives. @neves - once they finally let you in, it's still no picnic, they test you continuously. The crab is very guarded and very distrusting. It takes a lot to finally win their favor
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As mentioned above - I have a Cancer ASC, so in many ways... i act like a Cancer (especially the way i interact with strangers - how i connect with them - and whom i let inside). I'm quite familiar with the Cancer energy - to say the least... My point is: some of them can be real pricks - yet - they expect you to be a comfy saint. They might judge and test you in obnoxious ways - but don't you dare answer them with same coin. Though, if this guy makes you happy (whatever that means to you) - if he loves you... this should be quite obvious. Sometimes, even suffocating compared to others signs... it's kinda hard to believe that - you find his love confusing. You be the judge of that. 🙂
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Can someone tell me also why are so many cancer husbands beating their wives?
Is this really a problem? Doesn't sound typical, they are very very loving souls.
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I think it is an issue, I was involved with several cancer men , married one, who was extremely abusive, and the other was verbally abusive.

being an emotional and insecure crabby kinda guy is hard, because these are stereotypical female things to be.

i think it makes the men go weird
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What is up with all these "I put my kiddy gloves on to deal with my fragile cancer man" stories? I tread carefully or I have curbed my personality to cater to him.

Maybe this is why I have a good opinion of cancer men this far: because I've always kept them in the friendzone.

Ironically, women are saying the exact same thing about them on sasstrology.com. They're all essentially saying the same thing that they had to change who they were to deal with their cancer man and the women who broke up with them sounded very annoyed by them.

Screw this shit! Whatever happened to BOTH parties compromising? It seems like that the women have adopted themselves a mental ill child that they cater to out of sympathy. Pfft.
^ classic 'dating a cancer male'

they're manchilds
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So today my Cancer confessed that he loves me but just not at the level that I am at and I guess he doesn't feel close to there, he was very upset cause he feels like a donkey for putting me through any pain cause he does love me. It's that whole "I love you but I'm not in love with you"
I basically told him to be easy on himself and we'll just ride it out... Then he was back to normal. I told him that he didn't need to feel pressured to give me something he wasn't ready to give and that I didn't want him to be upset at me because I loved too much, he just needed to receive and enjoy it. And I do mean that, but how long do they take to grow in love, or should I just give up? I noticed that after we talked he was back to normal but sad, I'm so confused. Is he testing me to see if I really love him as much as I say? I dunno - I've never known anyone that was mad or angry at my advances. Then when I friend zone it, he's back to his normal happy self?!? You guys are guys right?!? Like what gives... It's like cancers are terrified of anything too physical?!? I'm like confused outtah my mind!
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I come on this site once in a while to see if I can help anyone in need of advice.
I've read through 6 whole pages lol just to gather the whole story. I'm a man child born 11th of July and I think this story is as crushing as the film the notebook.
It seems you have so much love for this guy but it's affecting your mindset the worst way.
Just gonna start by saying take a deep breath in relax that body breath out and calm down.
I will admit cancers are headfucks. But u meet a cancer with history then ur either strong enough to deal with them or ur not.
A lot of this thread has been off topic, you started by asking if we can love. Short answer yes, long answer....we'll come back to that. I thought u guys were dating at first but u are just friends. Uve known him 7 months it'd be nice to know how u met nd the decision to be friends nd not in relation.
You have said he has abandonment issues straight away that's a red flag.
This situation is so cute but at the same time quite heartbreaking and maybe if u did finally get together it could end up a tragedy. (could). Reading through the story reminded me so much of me nd my partner. She is my everything, my rock. We're going through a tough time atm as I have serious shit to deal with but we know we will get through it. Always do.
I've put her through mind games, intense emotion, moods, support, love, great sex „. It's been 4 years nd it's been a long battle for me so far. I dunno if it's a cancer thing but I'm taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back atm. I've suffered a great deal of heartbreak and pain. I struggled to understand love and fell into depression. I had no help for it but my partner was always there.
Sorry if my convo is all over the place I'm just trying to give as much info as I can but it's hard as I could write a book!
The smart decision is to give up nd find a love interest but then this guy will more than likely get jealous nd bam! Will ruin the friendship.
U could keep trying but eventually bam! He may snap nd then ruin the friendship.
As I started by saying this situation is similar to the notebook and could end up tragic with u pulling ur hair out.
I wanna say more but there's too much to say nd I should be asleep! I hope it works out I really do.
Keep us all updated.
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We met at work. He's my employee and I'm his direct superior, he's my office manager and my rock. Whenever I feel the waters choppy, I just throw my anchor and he steadys my boat back to a safe course. I love him completely. When he's crabby I feel like I'm walking on egg-shells but in a couple of hours he's fine again. When I hide, cause his mood chases me away, he immediately comes to find me. I can't say more than to say that I feel his love for me. I just don't know if it's romantic love. I'm thinking it's not or its covered by indecisions. I'm the type that loves completely and with no restrictions; I've never been afraid to love. He has a very complicated life. Mine is not complicated at all. I've no baggage, no kids, no exes, no drama. I'm a professional, I don't need anyone's money or support. All I need is love, like John Lennon lol... The choice to be friends is his and he says its because he loves our business relationship and how we are together. I think a business relationship can grow to a full-on partnership both in and out of the bedroom. As for me, I'm confident, beautiful, sophisticated, fit, and quite honestly I could have anyone or no one at all... But I've chosen him. He knows that's a huge deal because I decided to stay single and have been single and not looking for the past 4 years. I just was so over people that were not worthy of my time. Im just out of ideas. He knows how I feel, what I think, what I want.. Etc He's not running away but he's not running towards it. He also seems to think that my life is perfect and I should keep it just as it is - uncomplicated. I've been pushing and pushing and today he cracked, but not in the good cancer way - he was like a crab boiling in a pot, like completely unapproachable - I went and hid and then we confronted the issue, talked and now he's better but we'll see tomorrow. He left it at not being where I am in love, and that when I tell him about the mixed signals he feels like I misread them and that it makes him feel like a jerk for leading me on, when it's not his fault that he is sweet, he says that he loves me as a sister or very good friend. I love him in that way too, but then there are all the many other ways in which I adore him unlike anyone that I've ever known. This truly is the saddest story of my life. My timing is always wrong and probably always be wrong. I just realized that I knew a cancer once before, he married after we broke up like 1 year later then 6mo after contacted me about how he had made the biggest mistake of his life. Such is my luck, they realize after I'm long gone and the happy ending has been killed.
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It's up to you what you do. But the fact that he works for you might make him not want to piss you off and make you hate him.

You seem to think you are a right fit ...because you have amazing qualities...but that is not how love works....

You do deserve a guy who is in love with you. Like crazy in love.

Maybe he likes the idea of being with you because you have all these great qualities and he appreciates them. That is not love though.

I don't know what he will feel later if it grows or doesn't.

In my experience the real thing happens quick but with mutual certainty.

That's not to say it can't be different for you.

If you are happy. Be happy. If you are not happy.....choose happy.
I don't know. I've never had any guy in all my life love me on the platonic. Guys and girls being friends? I just don't see it happening. It's never been my case. So whatever this butter is, I just don't understand it. I'm calling bull-butter on it because I think he's just buying time. If he comes looking for me I'm going to snap at him so hardcore! Cause it's always the same, I push for answers, he cracks as a crab, I get backlash, we talk...blah blah..I love you as a friend/sister, then I retreat and in 2-3 days he starts with the comments you would not tell your sister, flirting, looking sad, begging for physical attentions-hugs, kisses on the cheek, just love. I'm an all or nothing type person, I go from hot to cold, so he may not like being my friend. I don't really hug or kiss them and for the most part I hate being touched. I don't think he'll like my 360 spin, but that's just how I feel right now. I am not the type that half loves. Even my mom and dad, I love them but I'm not in love with them (obviously) so I'm not very demonstrative with them. I think I hug them once a day, if even. My little crab I wanted to hold all the time... I'm so so sad over this.
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As much as i hope you buth turn out ok,but for me this full story sounds like this quote: Maybe we’ll meet again, when we are slightly older and our minds less hectic, and I’ll be right for you and you’ll be right for me. But right now, I am chaos to your thoughts and you are poison to my heart.Hope you guys figure it out before you both lose yourselves and become empty 😉 keep it heathy,me personaly i can't imagine 7month's with somone you love only with a hug,and if i would see that person get a girlfriend or a boyfriend my heart,self worth,confidence and self esteem,the sadest part is that you're working together,as a cancer i would prob have to quit my job and not see a person for a while ,to make up a story in my head so i wouldn't like you anymore,because it would hurt so much to see the one you love exchanging you for another man,knowing that is hard enough,but seeing that with my own eyes each day would just break me so much i wouldn't be able to do anythin......don't know what to advise rly,but i'll tell you one thing,the purest kind of love is when you sacrifice your own happyness for the one you love,but the thing is,you do this,and he doesn't do the same for you,it takes 2 to dance this happy love dance,each person sacrificing,making each other happy,not always such a nice story,but if it starts of this hard i would think,i'm sensitive,but i don't let my bad mood treetrunk up people i love,i just say i'm sorry and i dont feel good right now,but i remind them i love them and that i'm thankful for them in my life,hug them and do nice things to them,even when i'm feelin sad,you don't stop doing good things just because you're sad,doesn't work that way,it's like people say,even the truest love fades,if the person doesn't appreciate it. goodluck you 2,but think about it,don't expect from him more than he gives you now and ask yourself,would you like a husband like this in your life...7month's ain't joke.

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Had this talk with my crab. He says he feels a weight when he feels love. He said he wants to explore love....some cancers dont really know what love is because no ones ever been honest about it..question is...are you going to show em what love is?
I'd love for you to expand on this? I'm trying to show him what I think love is... But sometimes I'm not sure if I'm very good at it... I'm dying to hear more of your thoughts on the topic
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Had this talk with my crab. He says he feels a weight when he feels love. He said he wants to explore love....some cancers dont really know what love is because no ones ever been honest about it..question is...are you going to show em what love is?
I'd love for you to expand on this? I'm trying to show him what I think love is... But sometimes I'm not sure if I'm very good at it... I'm dying to hear more of your thoughts on the topic
Im 100% sure you need to be having this conversation with your mister. If you really love him and feel comfortable to spend the rest of your life with some one these talks will come natural.
Also hes your bestfriend not just a bf. Confide your self in him he will keep you safe.
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Yeah, that's not going to happen... He just flips out
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What is up with all these "I put my kiddy gloves on to deal with my fragile cancer man" stories? I tread carefully or I have curbed my personality to cater to him.

Maybe this is why I have a good opinion of cancer men this far: because I've always kept them in the friendzone.

Ironically, women are saying the exact same thing about them on sasstrology.com. They're all essentially saying the same thing that they had to change who they were to deal with their cancer man and the women who broke up with them sounded very annoyed by them.

Screw this shit! Whatever happened to BOTH parties compromising? It seems like that the women have adopted themselves a mental ill child that they cater to out of sympathy. Pfft.
It's fairly normal though right, women being validated as nurturers is living the dream. Cancer/Scorpio and any male sign that's associated with being emotionally vulnerable is going to get a free pass in that sense.
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No guy is getting a free pass on such pussy like behaviour. Unacceptable! I wonder how such a person survives in the real world.
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We met at work. He's my employee and I'm his direct superior, he's my office manager and my rock. Whenever I feel the waters choppy, I just throw my anchor and he steadys my boat back to a safe course. I love him completely. When he's crabby I feel like I'm walking on egg-shells but in a couple of hours he's fine again. When I hide, cause his mood chases me away, he immediately comes to find me. I can't say more than to say that I feel his love for me. I just don't know if it's romantic love. I'm thinking it's not or its covered by indecisions. I'm the type that loves completely and with no restrictions; I've never been afraid to love. He has a very complicated life. Mine is not complicated at all. I've no baggage, no kids, no exes, no drama. I'm a professional, I don't need anyone's money or support. All I need is love, like John Lennon lol... The choice to be friends is his and he says its because he loves our business relationship and how we are together. I think a business relationship can grow to a full-on partnership both in and out of the bedroom. As for me, I'm confident, beautiful, sophisticated, fit, and quite honestly I could have anyone or no one at all... But I've chosen him. He knows that's a huge deal because I decided to stay single and have been single and not looking for the past 4 years. I just was so over people that were not worthy of my time. Im just out of ideas. He knows how I feel, what I think, what I want.. Etc He's not running away but he's not running towards it. He also seems to think that my life is perfect and I should keep it just as it is - uncomplicated. I've been pushing and pushing and today he cracked, but not in the good cancer way - he was like a crab boiling in a pot, like completely unapproachable - I went and hid and then we confronted the issue, talked and now he's better but we'll see tomorrow. He left it at not being where I am in love, and that when I tell him about the mixed signals he feels like I misread them and that it makes him feel like a jerk for leading me on, when it's not his fault that he is sweet, he says that he loves me as a sister or very good friend. I love him in that way too, but then there are all the many other ways in which I adore him unlike anyone that I've ever known. This truly is the saddest story of my life. My timing is always wrong and probably always be wrong. I just realized that I knew a cancer once before, he married after we broke up like 1 year later then 6mo after contacted me about how he had made the biggest mistake of his life. Such is my luck, they realize after I'm long gone and the happy ending has been killed.
he told you he loved you like a sister or a good friend. You are pushing for something he doesn't want, why are you intent to force your will on an employee no less.. he can sue you for sexual harrasment btw..
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We met at work. He's my employee and I'm his direct superior, he's my office manager and my rock. Whenever I feel the waters choppy, I just throw my anchor and he steadys my boat back to a safe course. I love him completely. When he's crabby I feel like I'm walking on egg-shells but in a couple of hours he's fine again. When I hide, cause his mood chases me away, he immediately comes to find me. I can't say more than to say that I feel his love for me. I just don't know if it's romantic love. I'm thinking it's not or its covered by indecisions. I'm the type that loves completely and with no restrictions; I've never been afraid to love. He has a very complicated life. Mine is not complicated at all. I've no baggage, no kids, no exes, no drama. I'm a professional, I don't need anyone's money or support. All I need is love, like John Lennon lol... The choice to be friends is his and he says its because he loves our business relationship and how we are together. I think a business relationship can grow to a full-on partnership both in and out of the bedroom. As for me, I'm confident, beautiful, sophisticated, fit, and quite honestly I could have anyone or no one at all... But I've chosen him. He knows that's a huge deal because I decided to stay single and have been single and not looking for the past 4 years. I just was so over people that were not worthy of my time. Im just out of ideas. He knows how I feel, what I think, what I want.. Etc He's not running away but he's not running towards it. He also seems to think that my life is perfect and I should keep it just as it is - uncomplicated. I've been pushing and pushing and today he cracked, but not in the good cancer way - he was like a crab boiling in a pot, like completely unapproachable - I went and hid and then we confronted the issue, talked and now he's better but we'll see tomorrow. He left it at not being where I am in love, and that when I tell him about the mixed signals he feels like I misread them and that it makes him feel like a jerk for leading me on, when it's not his fault that he is sweet, he says that he loves me as a sister or very good friend. I love him in that way too, but then there are all the many other ways in which I adore him unlike anyone that I've ever known. This truly is the saddest story of my life. My timing is always wrong and probably always be wrong. I just realized that I knew a cancer once before, he married after we broke up like 1 year later then 6mo after contacted me about how he had made the biggest mistake of his life. Such is my luck, they realize after I'm long gone and the happy ending has been killed.
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he told you he loved you like a sister or a good friend. You are pushing for something he doesn't want, wh
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That is such a sad story 😢. You re clearly head over heels in love with him, but it seems like he just isn't there. Wouldn't you think that if he was meant to fall in love with you he already would have? When he told you he loved you like a sister, didn't you think it was time to cut your losses? Being in love with your best friend has got to be the hardest thing when he doesn't love you back, and I wish you the best of luck.
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@Charfig5

Yes, I am trying really hard to figure out how to cut my loses. For the past two days I've literally felt the love in my heart dying as I slowly realize what his words mean. Yesterday I looked at him, and it was really odd, I just didn't even know him anymore, like something in his face had changed, like a stranger. They say that love makes you blind or see things as prettier than they are, I kind of had a moment when I think the blinders came off. My heart is so heavy with sadness, it's almost as if a little part of him that lived in my heart has died.
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Posted by GemiGirl78
@Charfig5

Yes, I am trying really hard to figure out how to cut my loses. For the past two days I've literally felt the love in my heart dying as I slowly realize what his words mean. Yesterday I looked at him, and it was really odd, I just didn't even know him anymore, like something in his face had changed, like a stranger. They say that love makes you blind or see things as prettier than they are, I kind of had a moment when I think the blinders came off. My heart is so heavy with sadness, it's almost as if a little part of him that lived in my heart has died.
I know you replied to my above message but it got cut off, that's why my comment was so short.. max word limit.

sorry you are going through this. it's rough and painful. I have been on that path and it sux. Hopefully you guys can work things out and be the best of friends/co workers 🙂
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They love / think with thier dicks
And that's it.
Oddly enough mine isn't like that... He doesn't want to hurt me or use me in that way; it's this very holy type love that he has for me; like a big brother. He's protective, caring and puts up with all my Gemini crazy, of which I probably have more than some. I've no idea why he does what he does; other men in my life have always done it for the s*x but I'm not sure what he gets in return other than my feeling like he's my world; only he doesn't want that either... I've no idea. It's so selfless that it's almost selfish, cause just give and give to see if I repaid correctly...
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Yes, I am trying really hard to figure out how to cut my loses. For the past two days I've literally felt the love in my heart dying as I slowly realize what his words mean. Yesterday I looked at him, and it was really odd, I just didn't even know him anymore, like something in his face had changed, like a stranger. They say that love makes you blind or see things as prettier than they are, I kind of had a moment when I think the blinders came off. My heart is so heavy with sadness, it's almost as if a little part of him that lived in my heart has died.
I know you replied to my above message but it got cut off, that's why my comment was so short.. max word limit.

sorry you are going through this. it's rough and painful. I have been on that path and it sux. Hopefully you guys can work things out and be the best of friends/co workers 🙂
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Oh what I was trying to say before is that he doesn't mind the advances, loves the flirting, the compliments... It's just the me pressuring him for declarations of love in return that gets him going... Like he's not ready to be "in love" or for anyone to be "in love with him" - I can't explain it as anything other than emotionally unavailable in that kind of way that may lead to anything physical or serious in nature. I'm ready to take that step, I've been ready for months. At least making out, which cancers apparently love to do. Everyone that meets us think and ask if we are married, it's really funny. We are like that old married couple that have been together forever; I can see him being my little old man one day; all of which is heartbreaking to me.
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What I find interesting is women change to cater to a man who has yet to give them a green light.

Women just seem to think that "oh I care for him, do this for him, have sex with him, love him etc. " means that this should all be reciprocated.

Don't give until you can let your guard down and then you won't feel taken advantage of.

You all give and expect that to be enough to get close or trust, but it isn't. Give time and don't change. Changing means you weren't ever real in the first place.
Very good advice. I always try to stay consistent around him. I dunno why I feel like this is some huge Treetrunking test. Like to see if I just start dating random guys cause I never really loved as deeply as I vowed; or if I crumble or go off on him because I'm upset, or if I continue to push the topic and act disrespectful by not respecting his input... I dunno with Cancers sometimes it is what it is and other times it's something completely different and highly advanced - you smart little Treetrunking butters!
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Posted by Arielle83
What I find interesting is women change to cater to a man who has yet to give them a green light.

Women just seem to think that "oh I care for him, do this for him, have sex with him, love him etc. " means that this should all be reciprocated.

Don't give until you can let your guard down and then you won't feel taken advantage of.

You all give and expect that to be enough to get close or trust, but it isn't. Give time and don't change. Changing means you weren't ever real in the first place.
yup

be real
be you
stay you

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It's too funny you talk about being consistent and doing things just to get close or win trust.

He accused me of that the other day, that if I just did the nice things I did because I wanted something or because I just did them for him as a person because I cared or appreciated him.

It was the strangest thing... I do them because I love him, but it almost made me feel bad for doing them out of love - craziest thing ever. It's almost like he wants me to care for him as an individual and not as someone I love or have romantic feelings towards... He wants me to care, differently? I dunno, it's confusing
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They love / think with thier dicks
And that's it.
Oddly enough mine isn't like that... He doesn't want to hurt me or use me in that way; it's this very holy type love that he has for me; like a big brother. He's protective, caring and puts up with all my Gemini crazy, of which I probably have more than some. I've no idea why he does what he does; other men in my life have always done it for the s*x but I'm not sure what he gets in return other than my feeling like he's my world; only he doesn't want that either... I've no idea. It's so selfless that it's almost selfish, cause just give and give to see if I repaid correctly...
I'm talking about love not protect things.

Anyway .. they love when some need them, cancer men from what I know care about sex when it comes to love...I mean they love u when u give them good sex ..

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Mine isn't interested or ready for sex yet
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you need to be having this conversation with your mister. If you really love him and feel comfortable to spend the rest of your life with some one these talks will come natural.
Also hes your bestfriend not just a bf. Confide your self in him he will keep you safe.


Yeah, that's not going to happen... He just flips out

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If he is flipping out, then it means you are attempting to smother him with your emotional baggage of insecurity.

A person will only get flipped out if they are being bothered. He obviously doesn't want to hear you constantly going on and on about how thirsty you are for him.

You have pushed him to the point of flipping out on you ..... I feel sorry for him.


And to top it off .... he knows he's going to get fired now.
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It's too funny you talk about being consistent and doing things just to get close or win trust.

He accused me of that the other day, that if I just did the nice things I did because I wanted something or because I just did them for him as a person because I cared or appreciated him.

It was the strangest thing... I do them because I love him, but it almost made me feel bad for doing them out of love - craziest thing ever. It's almost like he wants me to care for him as an individual and not as someone I love or have romantic feelings towards... He wants me to care, differently? I dunno, it's confusing
I'm not saying to do anything to win anything or gain trust or to get close. People over complicate shit tbh. I did it when i was younger. Men are not that hard to sort out. Women think guys do x.y.z when in reality they don't, we just THINK they do.

I'm saying be YOU. He either trusts you or he doesn't.

Relationships are about give and take and you can't always be the giver. I'm Aqua and a natural giver, but i have my moments that i take as well. if it's imbalanced or unrequited with feelings... well. It's not healthy to be mixed in with that.

You have unspoken expecations on him and he has picked up on that. You may not even realize this but him saying that to you was him telling you he can't meet them. He wants you to be his friend.
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Posted by killerwhalemoon

you need to be having this conversation with your mister. If you really love him and feel comfortable to spend the rest of your life with some one these talks will come natural.
Also hes your bestfriend not just a bf. Confide your self in him he will keep you safe.


Yeah, that's not going to happen... He just flips out



If he is flipping out, then it means you are attempting to smother him with your emotional baggage of insecurity.

A person will only get flipped out if they are being bothered. He obviously doesn't want to hear you constantly going on and on about how thirsty you are for him.

You have pushed him to the point of flipping out on you ..... I feel sorry for him.


And to top it off .... he knows he's going to get fired now.
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He's not going to get fired, he gets away with murder on my watch..
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I wouldn't sleep with him if I were you. Unless you're looking for a fwb relationship. You should take the fact that he didn't push you to sleep with him as a good thing, it would be much worse to get rejected by him after having sex with him on top of everything else you already have in this situation. Also, him not trying to have sex with you does show that he respects you... And probably really loves you...like a sister.
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I wouldn't sleep with him if I were you. Unless you're looking for a fwb relationship. You should take the fact that he didn't push you to sleep with him as a good thing, it would be much worse to get rejected by him after having sex with him on top of everything else you already have in this situation. Also, him not trying to have sex with you does show that he respects you... And probably really loves you...like a sister.
Ahhh... Being a sister is such misery lol
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GemiGirl78
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@GemiGirl78 I always have a "Rule" in a relationship- I put the same amount of energy into a person that they put into me. If I find that I am putting more energy into them, I start pulling back. Why? Because it will drain me, and I won't get a return, I can't get a return on just my energy. I've found that when I am giving more, I'm spinning my wheels. When I match- I feel fulfilled and I'm not guessing or second guessing.

You seem to be putting in more energy than him.
I have put the breaks on indeed. He knows it too, I'm just going to let it go and give him the chance to come to me if he wants.
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It's too funny you talk about being consistent and doing things just to get close or win trust.

He accused me of that the other day, that if I just did the nice things I did because I wanted something or because I just did them for him as a person because I cared or appreciated him.

It was the strangest thing... I do them because I love him, but it almost made me feel bad for doing them out of love - craziest thing ever. It's almost like he wants me to care for him as an individual and not as someone I love or have romantic feelings towards... He wants me to care, differently? I dunno, it's confusing
What´s so confusing about it girl? He told you, he doesn´t feel the same way about you, that you feel about him (if I remember correctly from another topic. ... Or maybe it was this one)
So you´re absolutely right: he does not want you to love him. Believe him when he says that.
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That's exactly what I'm trying to do now. Just let him be and not invest any more into it.
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It's really not hard to make a cancer happy. You just have to show up and be happy.

We may seem moody and irritated, but if we are around someone positive, we become positive.

We don't need gifts.
Just wanted to insert here: if they want you to.

It´s not hard to make a cancer happy, if he wants you to. Problem is here, he does not want her to and don´t really have the balls to come out and say it bluntly, because ofcours that will hurt her feelings.

I went through all of this. In a different manor ofcours, but still. Had lots of talks about relationship and why he didn´t want to be with me, and all I ever heard was that he wasn´t ready, it wasn´t me, it had nothing to do with me. I even told him: I feel like I am more into you, than you are into me. He again said okay and fine if I felt that way, but he just wasn´t ready.

Almost 4 years later and it turns out, he really just wasn´t interested in being in a relationship with me, because there "was some things about me, he didn´t want to have in his girlfriend". The thing about cancers being slow also goes the other way: they are also slow to tell you how they really feel, when it´s negative.
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Yup, I think that's what it is... I have this gift for bringing out the worst in people. I just need to let this one go and move on to learning how to be single.
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So I'm glad ur ok so what's the update.
This situation is so dangerous. For 1, it's frowned upon sometimes not even allowed for Co workers to be in relationships ( hence u let him get away with murder), big no no. 2, this guy has already said he loves you like a sister....that's it game over, I don't think I've ever fell in love with someone I thought as a sister it'd feel just plain wrong.
But now with this news of him TELLING u about his first kiss and having to mention she was a Gemini, this guy is trouble for u, he's gonna cause u more heartbreak than ever. Something tells me he could even be playing u just so he can 'get away with murder'. Sounds bad I know but u can't trust anyone nowadays. It's too coincidental that u go cold on him for a couple days then suddenly he mentions something like that to pull on ur heart strings.
My advice, keep away, keep it professional and look for a guy outside of work. U sound like u deserve a man who will love u as much as u make out.
Oh BTW. The guy saying we love with our dicks....that's only half true, in my opinion we have sex to show physical emotion for one another. Sex is so powerful nd one of the best feelings a human can explore, if ur good „. Hence with me when I commit the act I do feel slightly appreciative because we made good whoopee nd it shows that we do love each other.
If sex is always boring nd none emotional then it's just dead in the water.
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I'm sorry!😢
So Char, today he told me the cutest thing. First girl he ever kissed in kinder was a Gemi. I can't figure out this boy AT ALL! Right when I give up on him, cuteness factor goes to 1000%
Woman! Get yourself together! Just because he says something cute, it doesn´t mean he is into you. What is there to "figure out"? He tells you a story from kindergarten, so what?

I´m just writing this, so you can snap out of it and not get seriously hurt. ... But perhaps you´re already in too deep and will go through what you need to go through.
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She's clearly in love with him... Have you ever been in a situation where you loved that one person so much but didn't get it back? I have, it sucks, and I stayed stuck on him for a lonnngggg time. Always hoping, anything he d give I would fall for... You know unfortunately the only person that can help her is herself... She ll either grow tired of being hurt or she ll be swept away by someone else.... Who knows. He might even come around.
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I'm sorry!😢
So Char, today he told me the cutest thing. First girl he ever kissed in kinder was a Gemi. I can't figure out this boy AT ALL! Right when I give up on him, cuteness factor goes to 1000%
Did he say that knowing you're a gem?
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Cause that does sound a little player-ish, like Alfa said