Ram416
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What you’re seeing is the expected response from governments and citizens alike. There’s nothing to analyze here, really. Do what needs to be done and watch it all unfold. Go easy on yourself and everyone else.
There’s plenty of good in this and the outcome will have many upsides. Worry and fear are present (right alongside their opposites, like always), but indulging in them is so unnecessary. The virus will do the work it needs to do and then disappear, or it will stick with us and we’ll find ways to adapt. Or whatever, really. What’s happening now is supposed to be happening, it can’t be any other way.
Find a way to enjoy the extended vacation.
It's great to be optimistic, but I disagree and feel like there is plenty to analyze here. In my opinion, this virus is being exploited and used as a power grab, especially here in the states.
Even before the outbreak, people on one political side wanted an economic down fall in hopes to hurt the other side. There are also laws that are being passed that has absolutely nothing to do wit coronavirus relief. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I question things like that.
Trump said to stay home. Is that not good enough for you?
Girl I like to think for myself and look at things from different perspectives. How about you?
I have the self-awareness and intelligence to know when a decision is above my paygrade.
You should also add passive aggressive to that list lol
I like to question things and will continue to do so.
No. I'm aggressive-aggressive. Please stay home and don't get old people infected, you stupid cow.
lol lady you are salty and so triggered! You must be one of the susceptible ones, aren't you of that age?
No, bitch. And fuck you for trying to call me old.
You're better than this... Just saying. I can't stop you.. you're grown, but you are better than this
Better than what? No, I'm not. She needs to sit her stupid ass down.
I'm not going to argue with you. You are better than the word you were choosing to use to get your point across whether you want to be with me or not. I've seen you have a conversation before I know you're capable of better. Be better.
Who the fuck do you think you are now? I don't know you. Shut up.
The guy that's right that's why you're not arguing my point, haha
What point? That I am better than calling her a bitch? I'm obviously not. She's being a bitch, so I called her a bitch. Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch.
Also, a stupid as fuck bitch.
My bad I didn't realize you had tourette's.
As you were.
How are you part of this conversation now? Seriously? Why did you insert yourself into it and try to control my behavior? That is never happening. The very idea of a strange man on the internet trying to control my behavior...
I didn't try to do anything. You may want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.
I said "I can't make you do anything, you're grown... but you are better than this."
What that means is I understand that you're an adult and I'm not here to make you do anything. I'm simply here to point out the fact that you are capable of having a civilized conversation without resorting to these words because I have seen you do it in the past.
now if you're having some problems understanding that still, well, that's on you and not me.
Tell me how well you understand these words.
EAT A DICK AND GET OFF MY ASS.
He is honestly insufferable, and the more attention you give the more he will 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
I am insufferable although this is not about me, lol. It's simply a means to distract people from being an asshole to others, because I'd rather an asshole be an asshole to me since I'm an asshole myself in which case it won't hurt my feelings in the least than to be an asshole to somebody else.
😜
Sure. It has nothing to do with you being nosy and bored.click to expand
How cute, but trying to project your fantasies onto me isn't going to distract anybody from your agenda
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What you’re seeing is the expected response from governments and citizens alike. There’s nothing to analyze here, really. Do what needs to be done and watch it all unfold. Go easy on yourself and everyone else.
There’s plenty of good in this and the outcome will have many upsides. Worry and fear are present (right alongside their opposites, like always), but indulging in them is so unnecessary. The virus will do the work it needs to do and then disappear, or it will stick with us and we’ll find ways to adapt. Or whatever, really. What’s happening now is supposed to be happening, it can’t be any other way.
Find a way to enjoy the extended vacation.
It's great to be optimistic, but I disagree and feel like there is plenty to analyze here. In my opinion, this virus is being exploited and used as a power grab, especially here in the states.
Even before the outbreak, people on one political side wanted an economic down fall in hopes to hurt the other side. There are also laws that are being passed that has absolutely nothing to do wit coronavirus relief. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I question things like that.
Trump said to stay home. Is that not good enough for you?
Girl I like to think for myself and look at things from different perspectives. How about you?
I have the self-awareness and intelligence to know when a decision is above my paygrade.
You should also add passive aggressive to that list lol
I like to question things and will continue to do so.
No. I'm aggressive-aggressive. Please stay home and don't get old people infected, you stupid cow.
lol lady you are salty and so triggered! You must be one of the susceptible ones, aren't you of that age?
No, bitch. And fuck you for trying to call me old.
You're better than this... Just saying. I can't stop you.. you're grown, but you are better than this
Better than what? No, I'm not. She needs to sit her stupid ass down.
I'm not going to argue with you. You are better than the word you were choosing to use to get your point across whether you want to be with me or not. I've seen you have a conversation before I know you're capable of better. Be better.
Who the fuck do you think you are now? I don't know you. Shut up.
The guy that's right that's why you're not arguing my point, haha
What point? That I am better than calling her a bitch? I'm obviously not. She's being a bitch, so I called her a bitch. Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch.
Also, a stupid as fuck bitch.
My bad I didn't realize you had tourette's.
As you were.
How are you part of this conversation now? Seriously? Why did you insert yourself into it and try to control my behavior? That is never happening. The very idea of a strange man on the internet trying to control my behavior...
I didn't try to do anything. You may want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.
I said "I can't make you do anything, you're grown... but you are better than this."
What that means is I understand that you're an adult and I'm not here to make you do anything. I'm simply here to point out the fact that you are capable of having a civilized conversation without resorting to these words because I have seen you do it in the past.
now if you're having some problems understanding that still, well, that's on you and not me.
Tell me how well you understand these words.
EAT A DICK AND GET OFF MY ASS.
He is honestly insufferable, and the more attention you give the more he will 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
I am insufferable although this is not about me, lol. It's simply a means to distract people from being an asshole to others, because I'd rather an asshole be an asshole to me since I'm an asshole myself in which case it won't hurt my feelings in the least than to be an asshole to somebody else.
😜
Devil's Advocate.click to expand
I mean clearly it's working, haha
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But here's the catch: if we EVER relax suppression before a vaccine is administered to the entire population, COVID-19 comes right back and kills millions of Americans in a few months, the same as before.
This part can't be rushed: if you're going to inoculate all humans, you have to make absolutely sure the vaccine itself won't kill them. It probably won't, but you have to be sure.
Assuming the vaccine is safe and effective, it will still take several months to produce enough to inoculate the global population.
the first part is speculation, people could develop herd immunity and the virus spread would reduce significantly, that's a matter of time and will happen before a vaccine is ever finish, so far most people have become resistant to it, the biggest threat would be the virus mutating, but so far so good.
and no, we don't need nor will inoculate the global population, the vaccine is for people over 65 years mostly, and some special cases, the death rate for people under 20 is almost zero with hardly any complications, they are not the problem, except with spreading the damn thing.
also the reason scientist take so many precautions with vaccines is not so much if it kills someone, theres many ways to avoid that happening even with a general allergic reaction, but theres a big debate over our knowledge on ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement), if we distribute a vaccine that fools our immune system and the virus manage to use it against us, is game over for all.
everything else is correct.
It’s all speculation but it’s the best inference from people with far more experience than you or I. We will vaccinate as many as possible, prioritise those likely to suffer worse symptoms. I think even the biggest manufacturers can only make about 100 mil a year or so. But globally vaccinating at least as much as capacity enables will ensure hopefully this heard immunity we all hope for. And the mutations really aren’t as big a deal as people are trying to make out. It’s a very small part of it that changes each time and not so drastically that it wouldn’t be covered by a vaccine. I mean imagination is the limit anything could happen but it’s not likely.
‘ Everything else is correct’ lol. Thanks for the input I’ll pass it on to the professors they were worried what you thought.click to expand
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What you’re seeing is the expected response from governments and citizens alike. There’s nothing to analyze here, really. Do what needs to be done and watch it all unfold. Go easy on yourself and everyone else.
There’s plenty of good in this and the outcome will have many upsides. Worry and fear are present (right alongside their opposites, like always), but indulging in them is so unnecessary. The virus will do the work it needs to do and then disappear, or it will stick with us and we’ll find ways to adapt. Or whatever, really. What’s happening now is supposed to be happening, it can’t be any other way.
Find a way to enjoy the extended vacation.
It's great to be optimistic, but I disagree and feel like there is plenty to analyze here. In my opinion, this virus is being exploited and used as a power grab, especially here in the states.
Even before the outbreak, people on one political side wanted an economic down fall in hopes to hurt the other side. There are also laws that are being passed that has absolutely nothing to do wit coronavirus relief. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I question things like that.
Trump said to stay home. Is that not good enough for you?
Girl I like to think for myself and look at things from different perspectives. How about you?
I have the self-awareness and intelligence to know when a decision is above my paygrade.
You should also add passive aggressive to that list lol
I like to question things and will continue to do so.
No. I'm aggressive-aggressive. Please stay home and don't get old people infected, you stupid cow.
lol lady you are salty and so triggered! You must be one of the susceptible ones, aren't you of that age?
No, bitch. And fuck you for trying to call me old.
You're better than this... Just saying. I can't stop you.. you're grown, but you are better than this
Better than what? No, I'm not. She needs to sit her stupid ass down.
I'm not going to argue with you. You are better than the word you were choosing to use to get your point across whether you want to be with me or not. I've seen you have a conversation before I know you're capable of better. Be better.
Who the fuck do you think you are now? I don't know you. Shut up.
The guy that's right that's why you're not arguing my point, haha
What point? That I am better than calling her a bitch? I'm obviously not. She's being a bitch, so I called her a bitch. Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch.
Also, a stupid as fuck bitch.
My bad I didn't realize you had tourette's.
As you were.
How are you part of this conversation now? Seriously? Why did you insert yourself into it and try to control my behavior? That is never happening. The very idea of a strange man on the internet trying to control my behavior...
I didn't try to do anything. You may want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.
I said "I can't make you do anything, you're grown... but you are better than this."
What that means is I understand that you're an adult and I'm not here to make you do anything. I'm simply here to point out the fact that you are capable of having a civilized conversation without resorting to these words because I have seen you do it in the past.
now if you're having some problems understanding that still, well, that's on you and not me.
Tell me how well you understand these words.
EAT A DICK AND GET OFF MY ASS.
He is honestly insufferable, and the more attention you give the more he will 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
I am insufferable although this is not about me, lol. It's simply a means to distract people from being an asshole to others, because I'd rather an asshole be an asshole to me since I'm an asshole myself in which case it won't hurt my feelings in the least than to be an asshole to somebody else.
😜
Sure. It has nothing to do with you being nosy and bored.
How cute, but trying to project your fantasies onto me isn't going to distract anybody from your agenda
My agenda is to stop people from suggesting we break quarantine and other measures. What's your agenda?click to expand
To be happy, to smile, to dream, to laugh, to love, to think, and when necessary to distract people from unnecessarily being rude to other so that the other people can do the same
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What you’re seeing is the expected response from governments and citizens alike. There’s nothing to analyze here, really. Do what needs to be done and watch it all unfold. Go easy on yourself and everyone else.
There’s plenty of good in this and the outcome will have many upsides. Worry and fear are present (right alongside their opposites, like always), but indulging in them is so unnecessary. The virus will do the work it needs to do and then disappear, or it will stick with us and we’ll find ways to adapt. Or whatever, really. What’s happening now is supposed to be happening, it can’t be any other way.
Find a way to enjoy the extended vacation.
It's great to be optimistic, but I disagree and feel like there is plenty to analyze here. In my opinion, this virus is being exploited and used as a power grab, especially here in the states.
Even before the outbreak, people on one political side wanted an economic down fall in hopes to hurt the other side. There are also laws that are being passed that has absolutely nothing to do wit coronavirus relief. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I question things like that.
Trump said to stay home. Is that not good enough for you?
Girl I like to think for myself and look at things from different perspectives. How about you?
I have the self-awareness and intelligence to know when a decision is above my paygrade.
You should also add passive aggressive to that list lol
I like to question things and will continue to do so.
No. I'm aggressive-aggressive. Please stay home and don't get old people infected, you stupid cow.
lol lady you are salty and so triggered! You must be one of the susceptible ones, aren't you of that age?
No, bitch. And fuck you for trying to call me old.
You're better than this... Just saying. I can't stop you.. you're grown, but you are better than this
Better than what? No, I'm not. She needs to sit her stupid ass down.
I'm not going to argue with you. You are better than the word you were choosing to use to get your point across whether you want to be with me or not. I've seen you have a conversation before I know you're capable of better. Be better.
Who the fuck do you think you are now? I don't know you. Shut up.
The guy that's right that's why you're not arguing my point, haha
What point? That I am better than calling her a bitch? I'm obviously not. She's being a bitch, so I called her a bitch. Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch.
Also, a stupid as fuck bitch.
My bad I didn't realize you had tourette's.
As you were.
How are you part of this conversation now? Seriously? Why did you insert yourself into it and try to control my behavior? That is never happening. The very idea of a strange man on the internet trying to control my behavior...
I didn't try to do anything. You may want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.
I said "I can't make you do anything, you're grown... but you are better than this."
What that means is I understand that you're an adult and I'm not here to make you do anything. I'm simply here to point out the fact that you are capable of having a civilized conversation without resorting to these words because I have seen you do it in the past.
now if you're having some problems understanding that still, well, that's on you and not me.
Tell me how well you understand these words.
EAT A DICK AND GET OFF MY ASS.
He is honestly insufferable, and the more attention you give the more he will 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
I am insufferable although this is not about me, lol. It's simply a means to distract people from being an asshole to others, because I'd rather an asshole be an asshole to me since I'm an asshole myself in which case it won't hurt my feelings in the least than to be an asshole to somebody else.
😜
Sure. It has nothing to do with you being nosy and bored.
How cute, but trying to project your fantasies onto me isn't going to distract anybody from your agenda
My agenda is to stop people from suggesting we break quarantine and other measures. What's your agenda?
To be happy, to smile, to dream, to laugh, to love, and when necessary to distract people from unnecessarily being rude to other so that the other people can do the same
Get a fucking plaque.click to expand
My birthday already passed... maybe for Christmas?
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Btw something I noticed when they updated the list of those who have died (in US) there are several that they omitted the ages.. that made me pause, why hide that yet list it for anyone that was above 50.
I thought the same thing. In Iran the ages were under 40 at a dying rate of 15% . They just don't want to create even more panic among the people.
"Health ministry figures show while 55 percent of fatalities were in their 60s, some 15 percent were younger than 40."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/iran-reports-113-virus-deaths-containment-concerns-mount-200315180552632.html
Posted by akituPosted by EndlessPosted by akitu
But here's the catch: if we EVER relax suppression before a vaccine is administered to the entire population, COVID-19 comes right back and kills millions of Americans in a few months, the same as before.
This part can't be rushed: if you're going to inoculate all humans, you have to make absolutely sure the vaccine itself won't kill them. It probably won't, but you have to be sure.
Assuming the vaccine is safe and effective, it will still take several months to produce enough to inoculate the global population.
the first part is speculation, people could develop herd immunity and the virus spread would reduce significantly, that's a matter of time and will happen before a vaccine is ever finish, so far most people have become resistant to it, the biggest threat would be the virus mutating, but so far so good.
and no, we don't need nor will inoculate the global population, the vaccine is for people over 65 years mostly, and some special cases, the death rate for people under 20 is almost zero with hardly any complications, they are not the problem, except with spreading the damn thing.
also the reason scientist take so many precautions with vaccines is not so much if it kills someone, theres many ways to avoid that happening even with a general allergic reaction, but theres a big debate over our knowledge on ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement), if we distribute a vaccine that fools our immune system and the virus manage to use it against us, is game over for all.
everything else is correct.
It’s all speculation but it’s the best inference from people with far more experience than you or I. We will vaccinate as many as possible, prioritise those likely to suffer worse symptoms. I think even the biggest manufacturers can only make about 100 mil a year or so. But globally vaccinating at least as much as capacity enables will ensure hopefully this heard immunity we all hope for. And the mutations really aren’t as big a deal as people are trying to make out. It’s a very small part of it that changes each time and not so drastically that it wouldn’t be covered by a vaccine. I mean imagination is the limit anything could happen but it’s not likely.
‘ Everything else is correct’ lol. Thanks for the input I’ll pass it on to the professors they were worried what you thought.click to expand
the CDC has charts on how the 2009 flu pandemic went, there's the experience, no "comes back as before" anywhere, it doesn't work like that.
"And the mutations really aren’t as big a deal as people are trying to make out"
isn't it? isn't the mere existence of this virus the result of a mutation? 🤔
they happen, is a threat.
and yeah pass it out, I'm sure these professors mail box are already full of criticism, and for good reason, thankfully I'm never worried about criticism inside the scientist community, thats what foster it.
neither should they.
Posted by akituPosted by saggurl88Posted by justagirl
Btw something I noticed when they updated the list of those who have died (in US) there are several that they omitted the ages.. that made me pause, why hide that yet list it for anyone that was above 50.
I thought the same thing. In Iran the ages were under 40 at a dying rate of 15% . They just don't want to create even more panic among the people."Health ministry figures show while 55 percent of fatalities were in their 60s, some 15 percent were younger than 40."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/iran-reports-113-virus-deaths-containment-concerns-mount-200315180552632.html
Are we sure that’s not a statistical trick though? I know that I saw somewhere the elderly population of Iran was like 15% or something very low, so If 55% of the fatalities are elderly that’s actually a very high number by comparison still? I’m not 100% on this but I know that’s why the french numbers seemed askew. Also what percentage of young people smoke over there?click to expand
No, people are dead. I don't think there is a reason to lie about the statistic of who died and the ages. They may be omitting any health issues they had. But the death rate is still a death rate.
The information is just to provide to the general population and help us be more aware. I'd rather them say that then omit the ages like the US is doing.
People are on Spring break in Texas and Miami still, because they think it's an "old persons" virus.
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What you’re seeing is the expected response from governments and citizens alike. There’s nothing to analyze here, really. Do what needs to be done and watch it all unfold. Go easy on yourself and everyone else.
There’s plenty of good in this and the outcome will have many upsides. Worry and fear are present (right alongside their opposites, like always), but indulging in them is so unnecessary. The virus will do the work it needs to do and then disappear, or it will stick with us and we’ll find ways to adapt. Or whatever, really. What’s happening now is supposed to be happening, it can’t be any other way.
Find a way to enjoy the extended vacation.
It's great to be optimistic, but I disagree and feel like there is plenty to analyze here. In my opinion, this virus is being exploited and used as a power grab, especially here in the states.
Even before the outbreak, people on one political side wanted an economic down fall in hopes to hurt the other side. There are also laws that are being passed that has absolutely nothing to do wit coronavirus relief. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I question things like that.
Trump said to stay home. Is that not good enough for you?
Girl I like to think for myself and look at things from different perspectives. How about you?
I have the self-awareness and intelligence to know when a decision is above my paygrade.
You should also add passive aggressive to that list lol
I like to question things and will continue to do so.
No. I'm aggressive-aggressive. Please stay home and don't get old people infected, you stupid cow.
lol lady you are salty and so triggered! You must be one of the susceptible ones, aren't you of that age?
No, bitch. And fuck you for trying to call me old.
You're better than this... Just saying. I can't stop you.. you're grown, but you are better than this
Better than what? No, I'm not. She needs to sit her stupid ass down.
I'm not going to argue with you. You are better than the word you were choosing to use to get your point across whether you want to be with me or not. I've seen you have a conversation before I know you're capable of better. Be better.
Who the fuck do you think you are now? I don't know you. Shut up.
The guy that's right that's why you're not arguing my point, haha
What point? That I am better than calling her a bitch? I'm obviously not. She's being a bitch, so I called her a bitch. Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch.
Also, a stupid as fuck bitch.
My bad I didn't realize you had tourette's.
As you were.
How are you part of this conversation now? Seriously? Why did you insert yourself into it and try to control my behavior? That is never happening. The very idea of a strange man on the internet trying to control my behavior...
I didn't try to do anything. You may want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.
I said "I can't make you do anything, you're grown... but you are better than this."
What that means is I understand that you're an adult and I'm not here to make you do anything. I'm simply here to point out the fact that you are capable of having a civilized conversation without resorting to these words because I have seen you do it in the past.
now if you're having some problems understanding that still, well, that's on you and not me.
Tell me how well you understand these words.
EAT A DICK AND GET OFF MY ASS.
He is honestly insufferable, and the more attention you give the more he will 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
I am insufferable although this is not about me, lol. It's simply a means to distract people from being an asshole to others, because I'd rather an asshole be an asshole to me since I'm an asshole myself in which case it won't hurt my feelings in the least than to be an asshole to somebody else.
😜
Sure. It has nothing to do with you being nosy and bored.
How cute, but trying to project your fantasies onto me isn't going to distract anybody from your agenda
My agenda is to stop people from suggesting we break quarantine and other measures. What's your agenda?click to expand
Hopefully most people will have the same agenda. Sadly some aren’t intelligent or responsible enough
😡
Posted by akituPosted by saggurl88Posted by akituPosted by saggurl88Posted by justagirl
Btw something I noticed when they updated the list of those who have died (in US) there are several that they omitted the ages.. that made me pause, why hide that yet list it for anyone that was above 50.
I thought the same thing. In Iran the ages were under 40 at a dying rate of 15% . They just don't want to create even more panic among the people."Health ministry figures show while 55 percent of fatalities were in their 60s, some 15 percent were younger than 40."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/iran-reports-113-virus-deaths-containment-concerns-mount-200315180552632.html
Are we sure that’s not a statistical trick though? I know that I saw somewhere the elderly population of Iran was like 15% or something very low, so If 55% of the fatalities are elderly that’s actually a very high number by comparison still? I’m not 100% on this but I know that’s why the french numbers seemed askew. Also what percentage of young people smoke over there?
No, people are dead. I don't think there is a reason to lie about the statistic of who died and the ages. They may be omitting any health issues they had. But the death rate is still a death rate.
The information is just to provide to the general population and help us be more aware. I'd rather them say that then omit the ages like the US is doing.
People are on Spring break in Texas and Miami still, because they think it's an "old persons" virus.
Ah okay, as I say I’m def not sure. I wasn’t sure which statistics they were. What I meant was it might not mean what it seems at first glance. Like for example say there’s 2 old people and 98 young people in a population, obviously the percentage of deaths may show waaaay more young people dying but it may not be because young people die more, like both or 100% of the old people died but just the percentage of total deaths would be low still do you know what I mean?click to expand
No one is sure of whats going on, but I still appreciate any news about the deaths and I like seeing the facts with the ages involved.
I don't discredit any news source about the percentages because in most cases people are dying by the hundreds, daily, at the peak of the virus. So of course percentages will be off.
The percentages of death is low to the number of people in the whole world.
There aren't any numbers that can claim anything until after its all said and done and the virus is gone. For now, I'm taking any percentages that I see, as a fact at the time it was printed, ONLY.
Posted by akituPosted by saggurl88Posted by akituPosted by saggurl88Posted by akituPosted by saggurl88Posted by justagirl
Btw something I noticed when they updated the list of those who have died (in US) there are several that they omitted the ages.. that made me pause, why hide that yet list it for anyone that was above 50.
I thought the same thing. In Iran the ages were under 40 at a dying rate of 15% . They just don't want to create even more panic among the people."Health ministry figures show while 55 percent of fatalities were in their 60s, some 15 percent were younger than 40."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/iran-reports-113-virus-deaths-containment-concerns-mount-200315180552632.html
Are we sure that’s not a statistical trick though? I know that I saw somewhere the elderly population of Iran was like 15% or something very low, so If 55% of the fatalities are elderly that’s actually a very high number by comparison still? I’m not 100% on this but I know that’s why the french numbers seemed askew. Also what percentage of young people smoke over there?
No, people are dead. I don't think there is a reason to lie about the statistic of who died and the ages. They may be omitting any health issues they had. But the death rate is still a death rate.
The information is just to provide to the general population and help us be more aware. I'd rather them say that then omit the ages like the US is doing.
People are on Spring break in Texas and Miami still, because they think it's an "old persons" virus.
Ah okay, as I say I’m def not sure. I wasn’t sure which statistics they were. What I meant was it might not mean what it seems at first glance. Like for example say there’s 2 old people and 98 young people in a population, obviously the percentage of deaths may show waaaay more young people dying but it may not be because young people die more, like both or 100% of the old people died but just the percentage of total deaths would be low still do you know what I mean?
No one is sure of whats going on, but I still appreciate any news about the deaths and I like seeing the facts with the ages involved.
I don't discredit any news source about the percentages because in most cases people are dying by the hundreds, daily, at the peak of the virus. So of course percentages will be off.
The percentages of death is low to the number of people in the whole world.
There aren't any numbers that can claim anything until after its all said and done and the virus is gone. For now, I'm taking any percentages that I see, as a fact at the time it was printed, ONLY.
I think I must have misunderstood what you were saying, I thought you were worrying that the likelihood of dying young was higher there than here and I just wanted to show how we might just be starting off with different population ratios that’s all. I totally agree with everything you just wrote I’m worried we’ve misunderstood each other if you think I didn’t?click to expand
Nope, I was just commenting on the fact that the US omitted ages, like what JAG said. I'm not worried about dying young. We can all die at anytime.
I know it's possible to misunderstand posts, people read things in the context that it is perceived by them. It happens all the time on here 🙂 I'm not too worried about it, but glad you get where I was coming from. I get what you're saying as well.
We were just speaking about 2 different things.
The real question is how long people can live under quarantine without much if any income coming in. Since close to half of the country lives paycheck to paycheck, there will residual deaths, suffering, and effects. The virus isn't expected to peak for 4 to 8 weeks and then there will be spurts where it reemerges. People may be fine for a couple of weeks but past that, there will be a lot of desperation, anxiety, and despair.
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But here's the catch: if we EVER relax suppression before a vaccine is administered to the entire population, COVID-19 comes right back and kills millions of Americans in a few months, the same as before.
This part can't be rushed: if you're going to inoculate all humans, you have to make absolutely sure the vaccine itself won't kill them. It probably won't, but you have to be sure.
Assuming the vaccine is safe and effective, it will still take several months to produce enough to inoculate the global population.
the first part is speculation, people could develop herd immunity and the virus spread would reduce significantly, that's a matter of time and will happen before a vaccine is ever finish, so far most people have become resistant to it, the biggest threat would be the virus mutating, but so far so good.
and no, we don't need nor will inoculate the global population, the vaccine is for people over 65 years mostly, and some special cases, the death rate for people under 20 is almost zero with hardly any complications, they are not the problem, except with spreading the damn thing.
also the reason scientist take so many precautions with vaccines is not so much if it kills someone, theres many ways to avoid that happening even with a general allergic reaction, but theres a big debate over our knowledge on ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement), if we distribute a vaccine that fools our immune system and the virus manage to use it against us, is game over for all.
everything else is correct.
It’s all speculation but it’s the best inference from people with far more experience than you or I. We will vaccinate as many as possible, prioritise those likely to suffer worse symptoms. I think even the biggest manufacturers can only make about 100 mil a year or so. But globally vaccinating at least as much as capacity enables will ensure hopefully this heard immunity we all hope for. And the mutations really aren’t as big a deal as people are trying to make out. It’s a very small part of it that changes each time and not so drastically that it wouldn’t be covered by a vaccine. I mean imagination is the limit anything could happen but it’s not likely. ‘ Everything else is correct’ lol. Thanks for the input I’ll pass it on to the professors they were worried what you thought.
https://media.giphy.com/media/RhS093lJ62ayjrP8nn/giphy.gif<div class="bqfade">click to expand
That GIF is so scary, she could make a freight train take a dirt road. If I saw that in an alley at night, I'd run - THE OTHER WAY! LOL
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Essentially it won’t be quite as bad as Spanish Flu but pretty close. World wide you are looking at up to 42 million dead worst case scenario.
Part of shutting everything down is to not overwhelm medical resources to the point that the 1% increases to 7% like it is in Italy.
Not overwhelming the medical system I can understand and agree with. I hope the government is using this time to expand medical facilities and gather more equipment. Otherwise completely upending our economy would be for nothing.
The government has no control over permanent increase of health infrastructure.
So who would be in charge of that in an emergency like this?click to expand
FEMA and the National Guard can set up temporary units, just like would be done during a natural disaster.
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I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. people are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.click to expand
There is no privacy in public.
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Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lol
They mentioned:"I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation."
So I said:"Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations."
Well I primarily wanted to point out how unfortunate it was that the religious communities are also being impacted by Coronavirus.
I also found it quite ironic that, while some people have been thankful for the positive things that have been happening (which are entirely great don't get me wrong), there are still god-loving members of the religious community that have also being negatively impacted by this. Hence my comment "God sure "works in mysterious ways"."
That's all. I mean no disrespect.
During the time that passed between my initial comment and now I have actually been looking to see if it was even constitutional for them to limit their right for assembly. Seems questionable.
Oh ok now I understand, just needed some context lol
I too was wondering if the government were violating people's rights, but apparently they can if they declare martial law? I feel like people would definitely protest if they declared it officially.
Technically yes, BUT due to the size & population of the US considered against the availability of military personnel, along with the fact that it's a quarantine issue, Martial Law is not realistically feasible.
Since the military would replace regular law enforcement they would be tasked with regular law enforcement jobs also. Not only that but you factor in that they would be risking bringing themselves into contamination further perpetuating the contamination cycle is not realistic to do.
That actually makes sense but logic doesn't seem to matter right now, some officials have been calling for military aid.
You know what would be hilarious if they tried to call a mandatory draft and martial law, lolol. That's probably the only way they can make it happen.
"Hey... you guys. Look... I know we're trying to keep you locked in your houses... And I know you're really pissed about that because we took away all your freedoms, but we kind of also need you to come outside to enlist in military training in order to help us keep people locked in their houses"
As I read that back that's totally something Trump would say on Twitter so who fkn knows, hahaha
Lol!
This whole thing is a mess, I wonder how long people will be able to stay indoors before going completely stir crazy.
I would be totally fine if I never had to go outside again, lol. I try to leave this house as little as possible anyway. I'm totally a hermit.
Meanwhile... have you seen the beaches in Florida? Damn fools they are. Hundreds and hundreds of fools laying out on the beach like nothing's going on in the world.
It all comes down to how many luxuries I think a person is used to.
What’s the likelihood that someone on that beach has the virus? Slim to none. Less than 1% of the population has the virus. Think it’s less than .05% worldwide.
How do you know for sure that it's slim to none? 75% sure? 100% sure? You're willing to risk it and let those chances put more strain on the healthcare system, as if it's already not under enough pressure?
Less than 1% of the population has the virus - that's less than 1% who got tested or were forced to get tested. You're not even accounting for those who might be infected but don't bother to get tested because they don't think they're sick.
80% of people that are infected never know they’re infected. No symptoms
You're telling me something I already know, and haven't answered my questions.
I'll wait. 🙂
It’s basic statistics and probability.click to expand
Explain how you get a 4.2% increase from 1.6 to 2.4.
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What you’re seeing is the expected response from governments and citizens alike. There’s nothing to analyze here, really. Do what needs to be done and watch it all unfold. Go easy on yourself and everyone else.
There’s plenty of good in this and the outcome will have many upsides. Worry and fear are present (right alongside their opposites, like always), but indulging in them is so unnecessary. The virus will do the work it needs to do and then disappear, or it will stick with us and we’ll find ways to adapt. Or whatever, really. What’s happening now is supposed to be happening, it can’t be any other way.
Find a way to enjoy the extended vacation.
It's great to be optimistic, but I disagree and feel like there is plenty to analyze here. In my opinion, this virus is being exploited and used as a power grab, especially here in the states.
Even before the outbreak, people on one political side wanted an economic down fall in hopes to hurt the other side. There are also laws that are being passed that has absolutely nothing to do wit coronavirus relief. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I question things like that.
Trump said to stay home. Is that not good enough for you?
Girl I like to think for myself and look at things from different perspectives. How about you?
I have the self-awareness and intelligence to know when a decision is above my paygrade.
You should also add passive aggressive to that list lol
I like to question things and will continue to do so.
No. I'm aggressive-aggressive. Please stay home and don't get old people infected, you stupid cow.
lol lady you are salty and so triggered! You must be one of the susceptible ones, aren't you of that age?
No, bitch. And fuck you for trying to call me old.
You're better than this... Just saying. I can't stop you.. you're grown, but you are better than this
Better than what? No, I'm not. She needs to sit her stupid ass down.
I'm not going to argue with you. You are better than the words you were choosing to use to get your point across whether you want to agree with me or not. I've seen you have a conversation before I know you're capable of better. Be better.click to expand
If you don't work in a healthcare facility, you simply won't understand.
End of story.
End of story.
Posted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by AntiphatesPosted by TheApparitionPosted by Antiphates
I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. people are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.
There is no privacy in public.click to expand
I have no idea where that came from, but thank you for the random fact.
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by AntiphatesPosted by TheApparitionPosted by Antiphates
I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. people are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.
There is no privacy in public.
I have no idea where that came from, but thank you for the random fact.click to expand
It was mentioned in your post above.
Posted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by AntiphatesPosted by TheApparitionPosted by Antiphates
I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. people are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.
There is no privacy in public.
I have no idea where that came from, but thank you for the random fact.
It was mentioned in your post above.click to expand
You didn't mention anything. All you did was make a statement.
If you meant to mention something I'm down to listen to whatever it was you were referring to that I had said.
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by AntiphatesPosted by TheApparitionPosted by Antiphates
I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. people are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.
There is no privacy in public.
I have no idea where that came from, but thank you for the random fact.
It was mentioned in your post above.
You didn't mention anything. All you did was make a statement.
If you meant to mention something I'm down to listen to whatever it was you were referring to that I had said.click to expand
YOU mentioned the Constitution and the Right to Privacy.
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Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lol
They mentioned:"I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation."
So I said:"Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations."
Well I primarily wanted to point out how unfortunate it was that the religious communities are also being impacted by Coronavirus.
I also found it quite ironic that, while some people have been thankful for the positive things that have been happening (which are entirely great don't get me wrong), there are still god-loving members of the religious community that have also being negatively impacted by this. Hence my comment "God sure "works in mysterious ways"."
That's all. I mean no disrespect.
During the time that passed between my initial comment and now I have actually been looking to see if it was even constitutional for them to limit their right for assembly. Seems questionable.
Oh ok now I understand, just needed some context lol
I too was wondering if the government were violating people's rights, but apparently they can if they declare martial law? I feel like people would definitely protest if they declared it officially.
Technically yes, BUT due to the size & population of the US considered against the availability of military personnel, along with the fact that it's a quarantine issue, Martial Law is not realistically feasible.
Since the military would replace regular law enforcement they would be tasked with regular law enforcement jobs also. Not only that but you factor in that they would be risking bringing themselves into contamination further perpetuating the contamination cycle is not realistic to do.
That actually makes sense but logic doesn't seem to matter right now, some officials have been calling for military aid.
You know what would be hilarious if they tried to call a mandatory draft and martial law, lolol. That's probably the only way they can make it happen.
"Hey... you guys. Look... I know we're trying to keep you locked in your houses... And I know you're really pissed about that because we took away all your freedoms, but we kind of also need you to come outside to enlist in military training in order to help us keep people locked in their houses"
As I read that back that's totally something Trump would say on Twitter so who fkn knows, hahaha
Lol!
This whole thing is a mess, I wonder how long people will be able to stay indoors before going completely stir crazy.
I would be totally fine if I never had to go outside again, lol. I try to leave this house as little as possible anyway. I'm totally a hermit.
Meanwhile... have you seen the beaches in Florida? Damn fools they are. Hundreds and hundreds of fools laying out on the beach like nothing's going on in the world.
It all comes down to how many luxuries I think a person is used to.
What’s the likelihood that someone on that beach has the virus? Slim to none. Less than 1% of the population has the virus. Think it’s less than .05% worldwide.
How do you know for sure that it's slim to none? 75% sure? 100% sure? You're willing to risk it and let those chances put more strain on the healthcare system, as if it's already not under enough pressure?
Less than 1% of the population has the virus - that's less than 1% who got tested or were forced to get tested. You're not even accounting for those who might be infected but don't bother to get tested because they don't think they're sick.
80% of people that are infected never know they’re infected. No symptoms
You're telling me something I already know, and haven't answered my questions.
I'll wait. 🙂
It’s basic statistics and probability.
Explain how you get a 4.2% increase from 1.6 to 2.4.
What’s the highest R0 for the flu? 1.6?
Corona is what? 3.2 now from 2.4?
Do the math of 3.2 vs 1.6 since there’s no R0 ceiling.click to expand
That's a 100% increase.
What did you come up with?
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I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. people are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.
There is no privacy in public.
I have no idea where that came from, but thank you for the random fact.
It was mentioned in your post above.
You didn't mention anything. All you did was make a statement.
If you meant to mention something I'm down to listen to whatever it was you were referring to that I had said.
YOU mentioned the Constitution and the Right to Privacy.click to expand
I did?
"We have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people."
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I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. people are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.
There is no privacy in public.
I have no idea where that came from, but thank you for the random fact.
It was mentioned in your post above.
You didn't mention anything. All you did was make a statement.
If you meant to mention something I'm down to listen to whatever it was you were referring to that I had said.
YOU mentioned the Constitution and the Right to Privacy.
I did?
"We have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people."click to expand
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Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lol
They mentioned:"I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation."
So I said:"Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations."
Well I primarily wanted to point out how unfortunate it was that the religious communities are also being impacted by Coronavirus.
I also found it quite ironic that, while some people have been thankful for the positive things that have been happening (which are entirely great don't get me wrong), there are still god-loving members of the religious community that have also being negatively impacted by this. Hence my comment "God sure "works in mysterious ways"."
That's all. I mean no disrespect.
During the time that passed between my initial comment and now I have actually been looking to see if it was even constitutional for them to limit their right for assembly. Seems questionable.
Oh ok now I understand, just needed some context lol
I too was wondering if the government were violating people's rights, but apparently they can if they declare martial law? I feel like people would definitely protest if they declared it officially.
Technically yes, BUT due to the size & population of the US considered against the availability of military personnel, along with the fact that it's a quarantine issue, Martial Law is not realistically feasible.
Since the military would replace regular law enforcement they would be tasked with regular law enforcement jobs also. Not only that but you factor in that they would be risking bringing themselves into contamination further perpetuating the contamination cycle is not realistic to do.
That actually makes sense but logic doesn't seem to matter right now, some officials have been calling for military aid.
You know what would be hilarious if they tried to call a mandatory draft and martial law, lolol. That's probably the only way they can make it happen.
"Hey... you guys. Look... I know we're trying to keep you locked in your houses... And I know you're really pissed about that because we took away all your freedoms, but we kind of also need you to come outside to enlist in military training in order to help us keep people locked in their houses"
As I read that back that's totally something Trump would say on Twitter so who fkn knows, hahaha
Lol!
This whole thing is a mess, I wonder how long people will be able to stay indoors before going completely stir crazy.
I would be totally fine if I never had to go outside again, lol. I try to leave this house as little as possible anyway. I'm totally a hermit.
Meanwhile... have you seen the beaches in Florida? Damn fools they are. Hundreds and hundreds of fools laying out on the beach like nothing's going on in the world.
It all comes down to how many luxuries I think a person is used to.
What’s the likelihood that someone on that beach has the virus? Slim to none. Less than 1% of the population has the virus. Think it’s less than .05% worldwide.
How do you know for sure that it's slim to none? 75% sure? 100% sure? You're willing to risk it and let those chances put more strain on the healthcare system, as if it's already not under enough pressure?
Less than 1% of the population has the virus - that's less than 1% who got tested or were forced to get tested. You're not even accounting for those who might be infected but don't bother to get tested because they don't think they're sick.
80% of people that are infected never know they’re infected. No symptoms
You're telling me something I already know, and haven't answered my questions.
I'll wait. 🙂
It’s basic statistics and probability.
Explain how you get a 4.2% increase from 1.6 to 2.4.
What’s the highest R0 for the flu? 1.6?
Corona is what? 3.2 now from 2.4?
Do the math of 3.2 vs 1.6 since there’s no R0 ceiling.
That's a 100% increase.
What did you come up with?
Wow. Your math sucks about as bad as your logicclick to expand
Show me your math so I can get better.
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I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. People are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.
There is no privacy in public.
I have no idea where that came from, but thank you for the random fact.
It was mentioned in your post above.
You didn't mention anything. All you did was make a statement.
If you meant to mention something I'm down to listen to whatever it was you were referring to that I had said.
YOU mentioned the Constitution and the Right to Privacy.
I did?
"We have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people."
https://i.postimg.cc/xCgMrhsj/Capture-2020-03-18-03-24-01.png<div class="bqfade">click to expand
Oh you were talking about the image that I posted, with three things highlighted, the very same three things where I said directly underneath it in my own words: "Those three things for example."
Even with the image I'm still not entirely sure where you are making a correlation between privacy and public. That wasn't even covered in the image itself.
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I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. People are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.
There is no privacy in public.
I have no idea where that came from, but thank you for the random fact.
It was mentioned in your post above.
You didn't mention anything. All you did was make a statement.
If you meant to mention something I'm down to listen to whatever it was you were referring to that I had said.
YOU mentioned the Constitution and the Right to Privacy.
I did?
"We have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people."
Oh you were talking about the image that I posted, with three things highlighted, the very same three things where I said directly underneath it in my own words: "Those three things for example."
Even with the image I'm still not entirely sure where you are making a correlation between privacy and public. That wasn't even covered in the image itself.click to expand
I'm pointing out that the image you supplied isn't fully correct.
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I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. People are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.
There is no privacy in public.
I have no idea where that came from, but thank you for the random fact.
It was mentioned in your post above.
You didn't mention anything. All you did was make a statement.
If you meant to mention something I'm down to listen to whatever it was you were referring to that I had said.
YOU mentioned the Constitution and the Right to Privacy.
I did?
"We have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people."
Oh you were talking about the image that I posted, with three things highlighted, the very same three things where I said directly underneath it in my own words: "Those three things for example."
Even with the image I'm still not entirely sure where you are making a correlation between privacy and public. That wasn't even covered in the image itself.
I'm pointing out that the image you supplied isn't fully correct.click to expand
All of those have limitations in varying degrees, lol. I also stated that in a different part of my post conversation that I was having with that person. So, again, thank you for the random fact that you chose to cherry-pick out of the image which had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Posted by LittleStarPosted by Nightcap-
The real question is how long people can live under quarantine without much if any income coming in. Since close to half of the country lives paycheck to paycheck, there will residual deaths, suffering, and effects. The virus isn't expected to peak for 4 to 8 weeks and then there will be spurts where it reemerges. People may be fine for a couple of weeks but past that, there will be a lot of desperation, anxiety, and despair.
They can’t. Period. Government needs to step in.click to expand
That might not be enough. All we're doing right now is keeping the spread manageable so that our health care system isn't overrun. Trump bungled it so badly that the markets reflect the lack of confidence in his measures. A vaccine won't be ready for 12-18 months. The problem is that the economic numbers for the majority of people will not be able to hold up for anything close to 18 months. The current quarantine may lessen the effects but they will still be there after the supposed peak in 4 to 8 weeks.
Cases in LA jumped from 144 to 369 overnight. We are going to see an exponential jump in infected.
For those who scoff at the 1% mortality rate realize that this virus is going to kill more like 4% with the limited care, facilities, and equipment we have on hand. And treatment requires much MUCH more resources and man hours than treating the flu. You are comparing carrots to oranges.
Additionally there will be those who need medical treatments for other diseases/accidents/life threatening illnesses that WILL DIE because our health care system will be overloaded.
People are focusing on the 1% statistics cause they are less scared by that.
But 3.2 million Americans dying from this virus that is more contagious than the flu, influenza, and scarlet fever, is nothing to scoff at.
And the 1% is optimistic. It will be closer to 4% with our obesity and diabetes problems affecting younger populations and limited resources available to treat the severe cases.
For those who scoff at the 1% mortality rate realize that this virus is going to kill more like 4% with the limited care, facilities, and equipment we have on hand. And treatment requires much MUCH more resources and man hours than treating the flu. You are comparing carrots to oranges.
Additionally there will be those who need medical treatments for other diseases/accidents/life threatening illnesses that WILL DIE because our health care system will be overloaded.
People are focusing on the 1% statistics cause they are less scared by that.
But 3.2 million Americans dying from this virus that is more contagious than the flu, influenza, and scarlet fever, is nothing to scoff at.
And the 1% is optimistic. It will be closer to 4% with our obesity and diabetes problems affecting younger populations and limited resources available to treat the severe cases.
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Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lol
They mentioned:"I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation."
So I said:"Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations."
Well I primarily wanted to point out how unfortunate it was that the religious communities are also being impacted by Coronavirus.
I also found it quite ironic that, while some people have been thankful for the positive things that have been happening (which are entirely great don't get me wrong), there are still god-loving members of the religious community that have also being negatively impacted by this. Hence my comment "God sure "works in mysterious ways"."
That's all. I mean no disrespect.
During the time that passed between my initial comment and now I have actually been looking to see if it was even constitutional for them to limit their right for assembly. Seems questionable.
Oh ok now I understand, just needed some context lol
I too was wondering if the government were violating people's rights, but apparently they can if they declare martial law? I feel like people would definitely protest if they declared it officially.
Technically yes, BUT due to the size & population of the US considered against the availability of military personnel, along with the fact that it's a quarantine issue, Martial Law is not realistically feasible.
Since the military would replace regular law enforcement they would be tasked with regular law enforcement jobs also. Not only that but you factor in that they would be risking bringing themselves into contamination further perpetuating the contamination cycle is not realistic to do.
That actually makes sense but logic doesn't seem to matter right now, some officials have been calling for military aid.
You know what would be hilarious if they tried to call a mandatory draft and martial law, lolol. That's probably the only way they can make it happen.
"Hey... you guys. Look... I know we're trying to keep you locked in your houses... And I know you're really pissed about that because we took away all your freedoms, but we kind of also need you to come outside to enlist in military training in order to help us keep people locked in their houses"
As I read that back that's totally something Trump would say on Twitter so who fkn knows, hahaha
Lol!
This whole thing is a mess, I wonder how long people will be able to stay indoors before going completely stir crazy.
I would be totally fine if I never had to go outside again, lol. I try to leave this house as little as possible anyway. I'm totally a hermit.
Meanwhile... have you seen the beaches in Florida? Damn fools they are. Hundreds and hundreds of fools laying out on the beach like nothing's going on in the world.
It all comes down to how many luxuries I think a person is used to.
What’s the likelihood that someone on that beach has the virus? Slim to none. Less than 1% of the population has the virus. Think it’s less than .05% worldwide.
I don’t think they even tested 1% of the population in the US. Gtfo.
That’s because less than 1% of the population wouldn’t even be affected. There’s no need to test everyone. The same people that would die from corona would die from the common flu.
You’re incredibly wrong. I hope you don’t kill your loved ones. Bye 👋🏻
Lol. There are 24 Americans infected per 1 million people. I’m 100% correct
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
There is absolutely no way to call that fact.
I just gave you a site that is reporting LIVE facts. It’s as factual as can possibly be known. You got caught in your BS and wanna dispute the link. I get it. Crow tastes like shitclick to expand
"Last updated: February 29, 4:40 GMT"
"reporting LIVE facts"
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Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lol
They mentioned:"I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation."
So I said:"Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations."
Well I primarily wanted to point out how unfortunate it was that the religious communities are also being impacted by Coronavirus.
I also found it quite ironic that, while some people have been thankful for the positive things that have been happening (which are entirely great don't get me wrong), there are still god-loving members of the religious community that have also being negatively impacted by this. Hence my comment "God sure "works in mysterious ways"."
That's all. I mean no disrespect.
During the time that passed between my initial comment and now I have actually been looking to see if it was even constitutional for them to limit their right for assembly. Seems questionable.
Oh ok now I understand, just needed some context lol
I too was wondering if the government were violating people's rights, but apparently they can if they declare martial law? I feel like people would definitely protest if they declared it officially.
Technically yes, BUT due to the size & population of the US considered against the availability of military personnel, along with the fact that it's a quarantine issue, Martial Law is not realistically feasible.
Since the military would replace regular law enforcement they would be tasked with regular law enforcement jobs also. Not only that but you factor in that they would be risking bringing themselves into contamination further perpetuating the contamination cycle is not realistic to do.
That actually makes sense but logic doesn't seem to matter right now, some officials have been calling for military aid.
You know what would be hilarious if they tried to call a mandatory draft and martial law, lolol. That's probably the only way they can make it happen.
"Hey... you guys. Look... I know we're trying to keep you locked in your houses... And I know you're really pissed about that because we took away all your freedoms, but we kind of also need you to come outside to enlist in military training in order to help us keep people locked in their houses"
As I read that back that's totally something Trump would say on Twitter so who fkn knows, hahaha
Lol!
This whole thing is a mess, I wonder how long people will be able to stay indoors before going completely stir crazy.
I would be totally fine if I never had to go outside again, lol. I try to leave this house as little as possible anyway. I'm totally a hermit.
Meanwhile... have you seen the beaches in Florida? Damn fools they are. Hundreds and hundreds of fools laying out on the beach like nothing's going on in the world.
It all comes down to how many luxuries I think a person is used to.
What’s the likelihood that someone on that beach has the virus? Slim to none. Less than 1% of the population has the virus. Think it’s less than .05% worldwide.
I don’t think they even tested 1% of the population in the US. Gtfo.
That’s because less than 1% of the population wouldn’t even be affected. There’s no need to test everyone. The same people that would die from corona would die from the common flu.
You’re incredibly wrong. I hope you don’t kill your loved ones. Bye 👋🏻
Lol. There are 24 Americans infected per 1 million people. I’m 100% correct
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
There is absolutely no way to call that fact.
I just gave you a site that is reporting LIVE facts. It’s as factual as can possibly be known. You got caught in your BS and wanna dispute the link. I get it. Crow tastes like shit
"Last updated: February 29, 4:40 GMT"
"reporting LIVE facts"
Last updated: March 19, 2020, 00:15 GMT
That’s what I see when I click the link
Probably explains why you can’t do simple calculations
PS.........don’t spend my money on dildos for your assholeclick to expand
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Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lol
They mentioned:"I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation."
So I said:"Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations."
Well I primarily wanted to point out how unfortunate it was that the religious communities are also being impacted by Coronavirus.
I also found it quite ironic that, while some people have been thankful for the positive things that have been happening (which are entirely great don't get me wrong), there are still god-loving members of the religious community that have also being negatively impacted by this. Hence my comment "God sure "works in mysterious ways"."
That's all. I mean no disrespect.
During the time that passed between my initial comment and now I have actually been looking to see if it was even constitutional for them to limit their right for assembly. Seems questionable.
Oh ok now I understand, just needed some context lol
I too was wondering if the government were violating people's rights, but apparently they can if they declare martial law? I feel like people would definitely protest if they declared it officially.
Technically yes, BUT due to the size & population of the US considered against the availability of military personnel, along with the fact that it's a quarantine issue, Martial Law is not realistically feasible.
Since the military would replace regular law enforcement they would be tasked with regular law enforcement jobs also. Not only that but you factor in that they would be risking bringing themselves into contamination further perpetuating the contamination cycle is not realistic to do.
That actually makes sense but logic doesn't seem to matter right now, some officials have been calling for military aid.
You know what would be hilarious if they tried to call a mandatory draft and martial law, lolol. That's probably the only way they can make it happen.
"Hey... you guys. Look... I know we're trying to keep you locked in your houses... And I know you're really pissed about that because we took away all your freedoms, but we kind of also need you to come outside to enlist in military training in order to help us keep people locked in their houses"
As I read that back that's totally something Trump would say on Twitter so who fkn knows, hahaha
Lol!
This whole thing is a mess, I wonder how long people will be able to stay indoors before going completely stir crazy.
I would be totally fine if I never had to go outside again, lol. I try to leave this house as little as possible anyway. I'm totally a hermit.
Meanwhile... have you seen the beaches in Florida? Damn fools they are. Hundreds and hundreds of fools laying out on the beach like nothing's going on in the world.
It all comes down to how many luxuries I think a person is used to.
What’s the likelihood that someone on that beach has the virus? Slim to none. Less than 1% of the population has the virus. Think it’s less than .05% worldwide.
I don’t think they even tested 1% of the population in the US. Gtfo.
That’s because less than 1% of the population wouldn’t even be affected. There’s no need to test everyone. The same people that would die from corona would die from the common flu.
You’re incredibly wrong. I hope you don’t kill your loved ones. Bye 👋🏻
Lol. There are 24 Americans infected per 1 million people. I’m 100% correct
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
There is absolutely no way to call that fact.
I just gave you a site that is reporting LIVE facts. It’s as factual as can possibly be known. You got caught in your BS and wanna dispute the link. I get it. Crow tastes like shit
"Last updated: February 29, 4:40 GMT"
"reporting LIVE facts"
Last updated: March 19, 2020, 00:15 GMT
That’s what I see when I click the link
Probably explains why you can’t do simple calculations
PS.........don’t spend my money on dildos for your asshole
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/<div class="bqfade">click to expand
Not the link you gave.
Yesterday it was 19 in the US. Today it's 28. Interesting.
Posted by _Dazed
Yesterday it was 19 in the US. Today it's 28. Interesting.
That's a 47% increase btw
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Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lol
They mentioned:"I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation."
So I said:"Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations."
Well I primarily wanted to point out how unfortunate it was that the religious communities are also being impacted by Coronavirus.
I also found it quite ironic that, while some people have been thankful for the positive things that have been happening (which are entirely great don't get me wrong), there are still god-loving members of the religious community that have also being negatively impacted by this. Hence my comment "God sure "works in mysterious ways"."
That's all. I mean no disrespect.
During the time that passed between my initial comment and now I have actually been looking to see if it was even constitutional for them to limit their right for assembly. Seems questionable.
Oh ok now I understand, just needed some context lol
I too was wondering if the government were violating people's rights, but apparently they can if they declare martial law? I feel like people would definitely protest if they declared it officially.
Technically yes, BUT due to the size & population of the US considered against the availability of military personnel, along with the fact that it's a quarantine issue, Martial Law is not realistically feasible.
Since the military would replace regular law enforcement they would be tasked with regular law enforcement jobs also. Not only that but you factor in that they would be risking bringing themselves into contamination further perpetuating the contamination cycle is not realistic to do.
That actually makes sense but logic doesn't seem to matter right now, some officials have been calling for military aid.
You know what would be hilarious if they tried to call a mandatory draft and martial law, lolol. That's probably the only way they can make it happen.
"Hey... you guys. Look... I know we're trying to keep you locked in your houses... And I know you're really pissed about that because we took away all your freedoms, but we kind of also need you to come outside to enlist in military training in order to help us keep people locked in their houses"
As I read that back that's totally something Trump would say on Twitter so who fkn knows, hahaha
Lol!
This whole thing is a mess, I wonder how long people will be able to stay indoors before going completely stir crazy.
I would be totally fine if I never had to go outside again, lol. I try to leave this house as little as possible anyway. I'm totally a hermit.
Meanwhile... have you seen the beaches in Florida? Damn fools they are. Hundreds and hundreds of fools laying out on the beach like nothing's going on in the world.
It all comes down to how many luxuries I think a person is used to.
What’s the likelihood that someone on that beach has the virus? Slim to none. Less than 1% of the population has the virus. Think it’s less than .05% worldwide.
I don’t think they even tested 1% of the population in the US. Gtfo.
That’s because less than 1% of the population wouldn’t even be affected. There’s no need to test everyone. The same people that would die from corona would die from the common flu.
You’re incredibly wrong. I hope you don’t kill your loved ones. Bye 👋🏻
Lol. There are 24 Americans infected per 1 million people. I’m 100% correct
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
There is absolutely no way to call that fact.
I just gave you a site that is reporting LIVE facts. It’s as factual as can possibly be known. You got caught in your BS and wanna dispute the link. I get it. Crow tastes like shit
"Last updated: February 29, 4:40 GMT"
"reporting LIVE facts"
Last updated: March 19, 2020, 00:15 GMT
That’s what I see when I click the link
Probably explains why you can’t do simple calculations
PS.........don’t spend my money on dildos for your asshole
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Not the link you gave.
I apologize for scrolling through the site and just sending the link I was on.......within the same site
You too damn ignorant to look around? Wanna be spoon fed everything?click to expand
Can you post the YouTube link for me and @MrsElleCappysnatch ?
We've been waiting for a while now.
Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by LadyNeptune
Cases in LA jumped from 144 to 369 overnight. We are going to see an exponential jump in infected.
For those who scoff at the 1% mortality rate realize that this virus is going to kill more like 4% with the limited care, facilities, and equipment we have on hand. And treatment requires much MUCH more resources and man hours than treating the flu. You are comparing carrots to oranges.
Additionally there will be those who need medical treatments for other diseases/accidents/life threatening illnesses that WILL DIE because our health care system will be overloaded.
People are focusing on the 1% statistics cause they are less scared by that.
But 3.2 million Americans dying from this virus that is more contagious than the flu, influenza, and scarlet fever, is nothing to scoff at.
And the 1% is optimistic. It will be closer to 4% with our obesity and diabetes problems affecting younger populations and limited resources available to treat the severe cases.
No way. You’re dreamingclick to expand
You're too optimistic for your own good.
Posted by LittleStarPosted by EndlessPosted by akitu
But here's the catch: if we EVER relax suppression before a vaccine is administered to the entire population, COVID-19 comes right back and kills millions of Americans in a few months, the same as before.
This part can't be rushed: if you're going to inoculate all humans, you have to make absolutely sure the vaccine itself won't kill them. It probably won't, but you have to be sure.
Assuming the vaccine is safe and effective, it will still take several months to produce enough to inoculate the global population.
the first part is speculation, people could develop herd immunity and the virus spread would reduce significantly, that's a matter of time and will happen before a vaccine is ever finish, so far most people have become resistant to it, the biggest threat would be the virus mutating, but so far so good.
and no, we don't need nor will inoculate the global population, the vaccine is for people over 65 years mostly, and some special cases, the death rate for people under 20 is almost zero with hardly any complications, they are not the problem, except with spreading the damn thing.
also the reason scientist take so many precautions with vaccines is not so much if it kills someone, theres many ways to avoid that happening even with a general allergic reaction, but theres a big debate over our knowledge on ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement), if we distribute a vaccine that fools our immune system and the virus manage to use it against us, is game over for all.
everything else is correct.
So far everything I’ve seen is that antibodies don’t last long...click to expand
well, the cells that mediate these antibodies can last even decades, those are the memory T and B cells, and a good example of that is with measles, if you get it once, or the vaccine you're pretty much good to go for your entire life.
the problem seems to be with the different strains of the same virus, and the biggest offender right now is the dengue virus, if you get it once, the second one is hemorrhagic fever for sure, and that happens because of ADE, is the reason why the vaccines for dengue were recalled, the vaccine just worked like a first infection, getting the real deal would become a life threatening condition; and there are people making studies trying to figure if there is any correlation of ADE and the fact that there are influenza seasons over and over and over.
pretty much is all about how those B and T cells work, but tbh I don't know much about them, and considering what I have read around, neither do the scientist community for now lol.
Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by LadyNeptune
Cases in LA jumped from 144 to 369 overnight. We are going to see an exponential jump in infected.
For those who scoff at the 1% mortality rate realize that this virus is going to kill more like 4% with the limited care, facilities, and equipment we have on hand. And treatment requires much MUCH more resources and man hours than treating the flu. You are comparing carrots to oranges.
Additionally there will be those who need medical treatments for other diseases/accidents/life threatening illnesses that WILL DIE because our health care system will be overloaded.
People are focusing on the 1% statistics cause they are less scared by that.
But 3.2 million Americans dying from this virus that is more contagious than the flu, influenza, and scarlet fever, is nothing to scoff at.
And the 1% is optimistic. It will be closer to 4% with our obesity and diabetes problems affecting younger populations and limited resources available to treat the severe cases.
No way. You’re dreaming
You're too optimistic for your own good.
I’d rather be optimistic and happy than a pessimist and miserable.
Look at the difference between Democrats and Republicans on this site. Attitude wise.
Democrats are always complaining and Republicans are always telling them to stop.click to expand
You understand that this is more than just about donkeys vs elephants right?
It's a global issue that affects everyone.
Yes, nothing wrong with being optimistic, especially in a period of crisis. But that does not mean you're entitled to downplay how other people feel about this virus.
If you think you won't get infected and in turn affect your loved ones, good for you! But other people don't have to feel the same way as you.
As of yesterday, in Singapore we've got 47 new cases, 90% of whom are imported from other countries.
FYI for those who don't know yet. Unlike influenza, Covid-19 also attacks the immune system, which is why they say chances of re-infection are quite high for those who get it.
So imagine getting lupus or lymphoma AND getting the flu at the same time.
So imagine getting lupus or lymphoma AND getting the flu at the same time.
Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by LadyNeptune
Cases in LA jumped from 144 to 369 overnight. We are going to see an exponential jump in infected.
For those who scoff at the 1% mortality rate realize that this virus is going to kill more like 4% with the limited care, facilities, and equipment we have on hand. And treatment requires much MUCH more resources and man hours than treating the flu. You are comparing carrots to oranges.
Additionally there will be those who need medical treatments for other diseases/accidents/life threatening illnesses that WILL DIE because our health care system will be overloaded.
People are focusing on the 1% statistics cause they are less scared by that.
But 3.2 million Americans dying from this virus that is more contagious than the flu, influenza, and scarlet fever, is nothing to scoff at.
And the 1% is optimistic. It will be closer to 4% with our obesity and diabetes problems affecting younger populations and limited resources available to treat the severe cases.
No way. You’re dreaming
You're too optimistic for your own good.
I’d rather be optimistic and happy than a pessimist and miserable.
Look at the difference between Democrats and Republicans on this site. Attitude wise.
Democrats are always complaining and Republicans are always telling them to stop.
You understand that this is more than just about donkeys vs elephants right?
It's a global issue that affects everyone.
Yes, nothing wrong with being optimistic, especially in a period of crisis. But that does not mean you're entitled to downplay how other people feel about this virus.
If you think you won't get infected and in turn affect your loved ones, good for you! But other people don't have to feel the same way as you.
You’re acting as though you have a choice of getting infected or not. You don’t. Just like everything else in life.......if it’s gonna happen........it will.
I can feel how I want to feel about any situation. Your feelings don’t override my feelings and mine don’t override yours. I have the same rights as everyone else.
I listen to the Doctors and that’s it. Who gives a shit what Trump is saying about the virus. The doctors say........wash your hands for 20 seconds, don’t touch your face and stay 6 feet away from people and you’ll probably be fine. I do that and so does my family.click to expand
That's your perception of what I am saying. That is not what I am saying.
Maybe you should take your own advice (in 2nd bolded sentence) before coming at people with the death card. You don't actually know what some of us has been through. You beat cancer? Good for you. That doesn't mean you're allowed to wave the death card over our heads. It does not make you an authority on dealing with death. So if people want to avoid getting infected, that's their right. Whether or not they get infected, that's not for you to say.
That being said, we are done here. I am appalled that you seem to have forgotten the stuff I've had to deal with in the past, considering you've known me for so many years.
Posted by 7thHousePosted by EndlessPosted by LittleStarPosted by EndlessPosted by akitu
But here's the catch: if we EVER relax suppression before a vaccine is administered to the entire population, COVID-19 comes right back and kills millions of Americans in a few months, the same as before.
This part can't be rushed: if you're going to inoculate all humans, you have to make absolutely sure the vaccine itself won't kill them. It probably won't, but you have to be sure.
Assuming the vaccine is safe and effective, it will still take several months to produce enough to inoculate the global population.
the first part is speculation, people could develop herd immunity and the virus spread would reduce significantly, that's a matter of time and will happen before a vaccine is ever finish, so far most people have become resistant to it, the biggest threat would be the virus mutating, but so far so good.
and no, we don't need nor will inoculate the global population, the vaccine is for people over 65 years mostly, and some special cases, the death rate for people under 20 is almost zero with hardly any complications, they are not the problem, except with spreading the damn thing.
also the reason scientist take so many precautions with vaccines is not so much if it kills someone, theres many ways to avoid that happening even with a general allergic reaction, but theres a big debate over our knowledge on ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement), if we distribute a vaccine that fools our immune system and the virus manage to use it against us, is game over for all.
everything else is correct.
So far everything I’ve seen is that antibodies don’t last long...
well, the cells that mediate these antibodies can last even decades, those are the memory T and B cells, and a good example of that is with measles, if you get it once, or the vaccine you're pretty much good to go for your entire life.
the problem seems to be with the different strains of the same virus, and the biggest offender right now is the dengue virus, if you get it once, the second one is hemorrhagic fever for sure, and that happens because of ADE, is the reason why the vaccines for dengue were recalled, the vaccine just worked like a first infection, getting the real deal would become a life threatening condition; and there are people making studies trying to figure if there is any correlation of ADE and the fact that there are influenza seasons over and over and over.
pretty much is all about how those B and T cells work, but tbh I don't know much about them, and considering what I have read around, neither do the scientist community for now lol.
You mentioned dengue fever. My brother had it twice in his life. First one we didn't even realise it was dengue. We just found out when he had the second one because during the blood test they have seen that it seems like its not his first time. So basically, we never get immune to it? How many times can someone catch dengue?click to expand
it works like this: there are 4 strains of dengue virus (DENV-1 to 4) if you get infected with one of those, most likely you get mild symptoms but generally nothing severe, after that first infection you get immunity to that particular strain that you encountered (at least theoretically), but you are still susceptible to the other 3 strains of dengue virus, moreover every subsequent infections by the other strains increase the risk of developing severe dengue fever.
it seems your antibodies will try to fight the second infection from a different strain like it did with the first strain of the virus but as they are indeed two different versions of the same virus, it doesn't work, an the virus just get plenty of time to mess your body up.
so technically, you could at the very least get infected with dengue 4 different times (as most countries are already hyper-endemic for all four strains) each one with even higher chances of a severe dengue shock, but there are not enough studies about this, for safety reasons ofc, there's only the data from past outbreak that points out the effect of ADE.
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did you brother have any complications during the second infection?
Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by LadyNeptune
Cases in LA jumped from 144 to 369 overnight. We are going to see an exponential jump in infected.
For those who scoff at the 1% mortality rate realize that this virus is going to kill more like 4% with the limited care, facilities, and equipment we have on hand. And treatment requires much MUCH more resources and man hours than treating the flu. You are comparing carrots to oranges.
Additionally there will be those who need medical treatments for other diseases/accidents/life threatening illnesses that WILL DIE because our health care system will be overloaded.
People are focusing on the 1% statistics cause they are less scared by that.
But 3.2 million Americans dying from this virus that is more contagious than the flu, influenza, and scarlet fever, is nothing to scoff at.
And the 1% is optimistic. It will be closer to 4% with our obesity and diabetes problems affecting younger populations and limited resources available to treat the severe cases.
No way. You’re dreaming
You're too optimistic for your own good.
I’d rather be optimistic and happy than a pessimist and miserable.
Look at the difference between Democrats and Republicans on this site. Attitude wise.
Democrats are always complaining and Republicans are always telling them to stop.
You understand that this is more than just about donkeys vs elephants right?
It's a global issue that affects everyone.
Yes, nothing wrong with being optimistic, especially in a period of crisis. But that does not mean you're entitled to downplay how other people feel about this virus.
If you think you won't get infected and in turn affect your loved ones, good for you! But other people don't have to feel the same way as you.
You’re acting as though you have a choice of getting infected or not. You don’t. Just like everything else in life.......if it’s gonna happen........it will.
I can feel how I want to feel about any situation. Your feelings don’t override my feelings and mine don’t override yours. I have the same rights as everyone else.
I listen to the Doctors and that’s it. Who gives a shit what Trump is saying about the virus. The doctors say........wash your hands for 20 seconds, don’t touch your face and stay 6 feet away from people and you’ll probably be fine. I do that and so does my family.
That's your perception of what I am saying. That is not what I am saying.
Maybe you should take your own advice (in 2nd bolded sentence) before coming at people with the death card. You don't actually know what some of us has been through. You beat cancer? Good for you. That doesn't mean you're allowed to wave the death card over our heads. It does not make you an authority on dealing with death. So if people want to avoid getting infected, that's their right. Whether or not they get infected, that's not for you to say.
That being said, we are done here. I am appalled that you seem to have forgotten the stuff I've had to deal with in the past, considering you've known me for so many years.
I haven’t forgot.
What I’m saying is that why am I being scolded for not staying indoors? I’m not affecting anyone but myself. Those that choose not to well........they have the option of staying inside. That’s all I’m saying.click to expand
What happens when/if you're infected but not sick (transmissible) and go to the grocery store. A few minutes later, a 60 year old with COPD checks out after you and becomes sick. Does that possibility bother you?
I know that it may happen regardless, but by being more careful about going out without being more cautious, do you think that would make any difference?
Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by sultrykittyPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by LadyNeptune
Cases in LA jumped from 144 to 369 overnight. We are going to see an exponential jump in infected.
For those who scoff at the 1% mortality rate realize that this virus is going to kill more like 4% with the limited care, facilities, and equipment we have on hand. And treatment requires much MUCH more resources and man hours than treating the flu. You are comparing carrots to oranges.
Additionally there will be those who need medical treatments for other diseases/accidents/life threatening illnesses that WILL DIE because our health care system will be overloaded.
People are focusing on the 1% statistics cause they are less scared by that.
But 3.2 million Americans dying from this virus that is more contagious than the flu, influenza, and scarlet fever, is nothing to scoff at.
And the 1% is optimistic. It will be closer to 4% with our obesity and diabetes problems affecting younger populations and limited resources available to treat the severe cases.
No way. You’re dreaming
You're too optimistic for your own good.
I’d rather be optimistic and happy than a pessimist and miserable.
Look at the difference between Democrats and Republicans on this site. Attitude wise.
Democrats are always complaining and Republicans are always telling them to stop.
You understand that this is more than just about donkeys vs elephants right?
It's a global issue that affects everyone.
Yes, nothing wrong with being optimistic, especially in a period of crisis. But that does not mean you're entitled to downplay how other people feel about this virus.
If you think you won't get infected and in turn affect your loved ones, good for you! But other people don't have to feel the same way as you.
You’re acting as though you have a choice of getting infected or not. You don’t. Just like everything else in life.......if it’s gonna happen........it will.
I can feel how I want to feel about any situation. Your feelings don’t override my feelings and mine don’t override yours. I have the same rights as everyone else.
I listen to the Doctors and that’s it. Who gives a shit what Trump is saying about the virus. The doctors say........wash your hands for 20 seconds, don’t touch your face and stay 6 feet away from people and you’ll probably be fine. I do that and so does my family.
That's your perception of what I am saying. That is not what I am saying.
Maybe you should take your own advice (in 2nd bolded sentence) before coming at people with the death card. You don't actually know what some of us has been through. You beat cancer? Good for you. That doesn't mean you're allowed to wave the death card over our heads. It does not make you an authority on dealing with death. So if people want to avoid getting infected, that's their right. Whether or not they get infected, that's not for you to say.
That being said, we are done here. I am appalled that you seem to have forgotten the stuff I've had to deal with in the past, considering you've known me for so many years.
I haven’t forgot.
What I’m saying is that why am I being scolded for not staying indoors? I’m not affecting anyone but myself. Those that choose not to well........they have the option of staying inside. That’s all I’m saying.
What happens when/if you're infected but not sick (transmissible) and go to the grocery store. A few minutes later, a 60 year old with COPD checks out after you and becomes sick. Does that possibility bother you?
I know that it may happen regardless, but by being more careful about going out without being more cautious, do you think that would make any difference?
If I had COPD and I KNEW that if I got this crap it could kill me.....I’d do the responsible thing and either do curbside delivery or have someone get my groceries for me.click to expand
So you don't feel ANY responsibility for anyone but you and yours. Got it.
I'm conservative libertarian, but I believe that we should do unto others. I'm sure you're not alone in only considering #1. Sad, really.
Here's a simple yet detailed answer:
Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by sultrykittyPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by sultrykittyPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by LadyNeptune
Cases in LA jumped from 144 to 369 overnight. We are going to see an exponential jump in infected.
For those who scoff at the 1% mortality rate realize that this virus is going to kill more like 4% with the limited care, facilities, and equipment we have on hand. And treatment requires much MUCH more resources and man hours than treating the flu. You are comparing carrots to oranges.
Additionally there will be those who need medical treatments for other diseases/accidents/life threatening illnesses that WILL DIE because our health care system will be overloaded.
People are focusing on the 1% statistics cause they are less scared by that.
But 3.2 million Americans dying from this virus that is more contagious than the flu, influenza, and scarlet fever, is nothing to scoff at.
And the 1% is optimistic. It will be closer to 4% with our obesity and diabetes problems affecting younger populations and limited resources available to treat the severe cases.
No way. You’re dreaming
You're too optimistic for your own good.
I’d rather be optimistic and happy than a pessimist and miserable.
Look at the difference between Democrats and Republicans on this site. Attitude wise.
Democrats are always complaining and Republicans are always telling them to stop.
You understand that this is more than just about donkeys vs elephants right?
It's a global issue that affects everyone.
Yes, nothing wrong with being optimistic, especially in a period of crisis. But that does not mean you're entitled to downplay how other people feel about this virus.
If you think you won't get infected and in turn affect your loved ones, good for you! But other people don't have to feel the same way as you.
You’re acting as though you have a choice of getting infected or not. You don’t. Just like everything else in life.......if it’s gonna happen........it will.
I can feel how I want to feel about any situation. Your feelings don’t override my feelings and mine don’t override yours. I have the same rights as everyone else.
I listen to the Doctors and that’s it. Who gives a shit what Trump is saying about the virus. The doctors say........wash your hands for 20 seconds, don’t touch your face and stay 6 feet away from people and you’ll probably be fine. I do that and so does my family.
That's your perception of what I am saying. That is not what I am saying.
Maybe you should take your own advice (in 2nd bolded sentence) before coming at people with the death card. You don't actually know what some of us has been through. You beat cancer? Good for you. That doesn't mean you're allowed to wave the death card over our heads. It does not make you an authority on dealing with death. So if people want to avoid getting infected, that's their right. Whether or not they get infected, that's not for you to say.
That being said, we are done here. I am appalled that you seem to have forgotten the stuff I've had to deal with in the past, considering you've known me for so many years.
I haven’t forgot.
What I’m saying is that why am I being scolded for not staying indoors? I’m not affecting anyone but myself. Those that choose not to well........they have the option of staying inside. That’s all I’m saying.
What happens when/if you're infected but not sick (transmissible) and go to the grocery store. A few minutes later, a 60 year old with COPD checks out after you and becomes sick. Does that possibility bother you?
I know that it may happen regardless, but by being more careful about going out without being more cautious, do you think that would make any difference?
If I had COPD and I KNEW that if I got this crap it could kill me.....I’d do the responsible thing and either do curbside delivery or have someone get my groceries for me.
So you don't feel ANY responsibility for anyone but you and yours. Got it.
I'm conservative libertarian, but I believe that we should do unto others. I'm sure you're not alone in only considering #1. Sad, really.
I definitely wouldn’t blame someone else for me getting sick.
Half of the stuff y’all say is hypocritical anyway.click to expand
"Honestly, if China would’ve taken action sooner, it wouldn’t have spread so fast. They waited MONTHS"
"They’ve known about this since November. When did they quarantine? Mid January. They started lifting travel restrictions in early February and within 2 weeks it was spreading all over the globe."
"Who knows. It really doesn’t matter at this point. Thousands will die because of their failure to report and contain. The entire world should hold them accountable. They won’t."
Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by sultrykittyPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by sultrykittyPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by Ram416Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by LadyNeptune
Cases in LA jumped from 144 to 369 overnight. We are going to see an exponential jump in infected.
For those who scoff at the 1% mortality rate realize that this virus is going to kill more like 4% with the limited care, facilities, and equipment we have on hand. And treatment requires much MUCH more resources and man hours than treating the flu. You are comparing carrots to oranges.
Additionally there will be those who need medical treatments for other diseases/accidents/life threatening illnesses that WILL DIE because our health care system will be overloaded.
People are focusing on the 1% statistics cause they are less scared by that.
But 3.2 million Americans dying from this virus that is more contagious than the flu, influenza, and scarlet fever, is nothing to scoff at.
And the 1% is optimistic. It will be closer to 4% with our obesity and diabetes problems affecting younger populations and limited resources available to treat the severe cases.
No way. You’re dreaming
You're too optimistic for your own good.
I’d rather be optimistic and happy than a pessimist and miserable.
Look at the difference between Democrats and Republicans on this site. Attitude wise.
Democrats are always complaining and Republicans are always telling them to stop.
You understand that this is more than just about donkeys vs elephants right?
It's a global issue that affects everyone.
Yes, nothing wrong with being optimistic, especially in a period of crisis. But that does not mean you're entitled to downplay how other people feel about this virus.
If you think you won't get infected and in turn affect your loved ones, good for you! But other people don't have to feel the same way as you.
You’re acting as though you have a choice of getting infected or not. You don’t. Just like everything else in life.......if it’s gonna happen........it will.
I can feel how I want to feel about any situation. Your feelings don’t override my feelings and mine don’t override yours. I have the same rights as everyone else.
I listen to the Doctors and that’s it. Who gives a shit what Trump is saying about the virus. The doctors say........wash your hands for 20 seconds, don’t touch your face and stay 6 feet away from people and you’ll probably be fine. I do that and so does my family.
That's your perception of what I am saying. That is not what I am saying.
Maybe you should take your own advice (in 2nd bolded sentence) before coming at people with the death card. You don't actually know what some of us has been through. You beat cancer? Good for you. That doesn't mean you're allowed to wave the death card over our heads. It does not make you an authority on dealing with death. So if people want to avoid getting infected, that's their right. Whether or not they get infected, that's not for you to say.
That being said, we are done here. I am appalled that you seem to have forgotten the stuff I've had to deal with in the past, considering you've known me for so many years.
I haven’t forgot.
What I’m saying is that why am I being scolded for not staying indoors? I’m not affecting anyone but myself. Those that choose not to well........they have the option of staying inside. That’s all I’m saying.
What happens when/if you're infected but not sick (transmissible) and go to the grocery store. A few minutes later, a 60 year old with COPD checks out after you and becomes sick. Does that possibility bother you?
I know that it may happen regardless, but by being more careful about going out without being more cautious, do you think that would make any difference?
If I had COPD and I KNEW that if I got this crap it could kill me.....I’d do the responsible thing and either do curbside delivery or have someone get my groceries for me.
So you don't feel ANY responsibility for anyone but you and yours. Got it.
I'm conservative libertarian, but I believe that we should do unto others. I'm sure you're not alone in only considering #1. Sad, really.
I definitely wouldn’t blame someone else for me getting sick.
Half of the stuff y’all say is hypocritical anyway.
"Honestly, if China would’ve taken action sooner, it wouldn’t have spread so fast. They waited MONTHS"
"They’ve known about this since November. When did they quarantine? Mid January. They started lifting travel restrictions in early February and within 2 weeks it was spreading all over the globe."
"Who knows. It really doesn’t matter at this point. Thousands will die because of their failure to report and contain. The entire world should hold them accountable. They won’t."click to expand
Are these his quotes? If so, the cognitive dissonance is real...
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