It’s as if America is moral less or something

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by Astrobyn on Friday, November 6, 2020 and has 26 replies.

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CC: The reality is 67 million Americans mostly white voted for Trump. It’s as if America is moral less or something.

Astrobyn: Just a broad observation of history... European's coming from a depressing culture with little path to prosperity, came over here looking to take whatever they could take, even if it takes a genocide. Keep taking what you can take. But also white or not this is human nature in a position of depleted resources. I guess you can argue people in a lower class vote the opposite for the same reason. Those are some of my thoughts

CC: so its human nature?

Astrobyn: People sometimes revere Native American culture comparing the difference to European cultures, because they share shit, and take care of old and disabled people and nobody goes to jail.

I often question, how the fuck do we really know what it was like. We killed like 90% and then de-programed the of them, and what we know is always viewed through the lens of white people or compared to white people.

But back to my depleted resources idea, Native American’s had an abundance of resources, and really didn’t know much hardship.... till you know the white people.

So this just comes down to the chimpanzee and bonobo theory. White people are assholes because they are just the chimpanzees that are all angry fighting each other because there’s not enough to go around.

So finally, yes I think it is human nature.

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I don't believe that at all. I feel majority of people no matter of race just want to live a normal life, go to work, and take care of their basic shit.

There is an extremely small handful from ever race that make stereotypes, and makes everyone look bad as a whole. Nowadays the media amplifies it also, to keep people in a constant state of confusion and neediness. That's what happens when you can amplify drama with a small amount of people, make it look large and a big deal, while also throwing as many things out of context as possible.

For example there are Biden as well as Trump supporters who have a higher IQ and bank account then every person on dxpnet. Some are also perfect examples of a saint with more morals then any of us. Good luck trying to convince someone who honestly believes they need to pick a side that though.

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White people are no more assholes than any other color or race. Srsly where the fuck does this notion come from and why is it so widely accepted and tolerated? It's literally like saying to black ppl they have a predisposition for crime.

Let's start with the fact that when other races and cultures commit the same crimes historically as whites, they're primarely referred to as conquests , not genocide or "colonization".

We.Are.All.The.Same.Ape

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Lol I really think about these dirt poor whites in the middle of Bumfuck, Alabama... All they have going for them is being white in America. Then, I think about the greedy 1% wanting to collapse America's democracy so they can finally do whatever the fuck they want free of fear of any regulations. Finally I think about the republicans who are willing to bet on the lives and safety of PoC and other minority groups just so that Trump can maybe (but most probably not) address one of their dumb issues. Fuck them all 🖕

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Posted by aquarius_man_
Posted by Astrobyn

Astrobyn: Just a broad observation of history... European's coming from a depressing culture with little path to prosperity, came over here looking to take whatever they could take, even if it takes a genocide.

Europeans, not European's. What depressing culture are you talking about? Little path to prosperity? LOL

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Mostly this kind of shit;

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Posted by Astrobyn
Posted by CoffeeAndCream
Posted by Aqua-Marine

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say ?

the question is why 68 million mostly white Americans voted TRUMP


But is the root of that question really, why do American's vote for themselves rather then voting for their community.

I guess that's how I see the question.

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They are voting for their community. Their white, cis, ultra fundamentalist evangelical community.

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So how many millions of white people are left that are not like this ? Enough to fight for the right thing to do along with all the other human beings in this country. Enough because we don't always win because we are up against so many but we continue to fight until we die. One can not generalize without understanding that there is such a mix of horrors and sunshine here in the US. We are divided, not united yes, but the battle rages on.

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Ultimately we are all just souls in bodies. I've had to savage my thoughts from my depths. If you go into your closet and put on a red coat one day and a blue coat the next it is the same as putting on a light brown skin in one lifetime or a darker brown skin in the next. In both cases you will be taking the coat and skin off (death). It is better to anchor oneself in this bigger reality.

We are not but projections of God, in fact. The moving/vibrating mass of light that you call your physical self is in a state of flux - and is bound by the creation of time. Is there anything permanent about us? Must I continue to be a lab rat in this creation's maze? I'm glad I'm not caught by the mass consciousness of race, etc... any more. What a real waste of time.

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Good point, as the wheels of ignorance roll on ...................Fight, kill, defend your make believe race. Grab onto those ugly thoughts - you must! Be a zombie - go through the motions of nothing.

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Probably, God has to throw miracles my way so I actually can figure things out here. Divine Mother, not necessary any more - I believe, now. Over and out - back to my seclusion, carry on.

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5 Years

Posted by jazzykid
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Can we just pick a planet and shuttle Trump and 68 million people to it?

That can be a new starting point.

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it's not a new starting point - we are still in the same boat

if there are people that were expecting repudiation then we have a bigger climb ahead of us than we thought

Trump never changed; neither do his supporters - in fact the more "power" they think they have the worse they get

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Posted by Dread_Pirate_Phanta
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Posted by Ixi

Can we just press the easy button here and say if you can ignore morality as you throw a kid in a cage... one's amorality, in that instance, is in fact immorality?

What "cages" are you referring to specifically? Would you call Obama immoral?

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/joe-biden/fact-checking-biden-use-cages-during-obama-adminis/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN24117B

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html

If someone stole a bunch of children and locked them in a prison right now, you wouldn't blame the people who built the prison building for adult offenders. That would be illogical.

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Splitting hairs, twisting words.

Just bc an area of space is defined by bars or wires doesn't "morally" make it a cage. You could choose to call it that, but ultimately you could choose not to aswell, and you'd be right either way.

If there were four walls instead of wires you wouldn't call it a cage, but is it any more or any less of a cage... morally speaking? It serves the same purpose. And provided those detained aren't treated like Guantanamo inmates I don't get the big deal. It's just being dishonest about what we're really talking about

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Posted by Dread_Pirate_Phanta
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Posted by Dread_Pirate_Phanta
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Posted by Ixi

Can we just press the easy button here and say if you can ignore morality as you throw a kid in a cage... one's amorality, in that instance, is in fact immorality?

What "cages" are you referring to specifically? Would you call Obama immoral?

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/joe-biden/fact-checking-biden-use-cages-during-obama-adminis/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN24117B

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html

If someone stole a bunch of children and locked them in a prison right now, you wouldn't blame the people who built the prison building for adult offenders. That would be illogical.

Splitting hairs, twisting words.

Just bc an area of space is defined by bars or wires doesn't "morally" make it a cage. You could choose to call it that, but ultimately you could choose not to aswell, and you'd be right either way.

If there were four walls instead of wires you wouldn't call it a cage, but is it any more or any less of a cage... morally speaking? It serves the same purpose. And provided those detained aren't treated like Guantanamo inmates I don't get the big deal. It's just being dishonest about what we're really talking about

The problem is putting children there. It's not semantics. They did it intentionally to cause pain so people would stop coming.

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So let me get this straight: the administration low-key deliberately chose to display the caged kids as part of some scare campaign that would for sure compromize the administration's popularity but they figured it's more effective to scare ppl (who come from way scarier circumstances than a friggin "cage" in the free world!) than just go through the motions quietly and spare themselves the children-in-cages rep ?Give me a break! 😂

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Posted by LadyNeptune

Don’t entertain the rape apologist. Pointless to go down that road and reason with the illogical @dread_pirate_phanta

You can't determine if a person is illogical or not if you refuse to listen to what they are actually saying, as oppose to what you want to hear. Typical dishonest shut-down tactic of the liberal left.

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Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Posted by Dread_Pirate_Phanta
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Posted by Dread_Pirate_Phanta
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Posted by Ixi

Can we just press the easy button here and say if you can ignore morality as you throw a kid in a cage... one's amorality, in that instance, is in fact immorality?

What "cages" are you referring to specifically? Would you call Obama immoral?

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/joe-biden/fact-checking-biden-use-cages-during-obama-adminis/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN24117B

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html

If someone stole a bunch of children and locked them in a prison right now, you wouldn't blame the people who built the prison building for adult offenders. That would be illogical.

Splitting hairs, twisting words.

Just bc an area of space is defined by bars or wires doesn't "morally" make it a cage. You could choose to call it that, but ultimately you could choose not to aswell, and you'd be right either way.

If there were four walls instead of wires you wouldn't call it a cage, but is it any more or any less of a cage... morally speaking? It serves the same purpose. And provided those detained aren't treated like Guantanamo inmates I don't get the big deal. It's just being dishonest about what we're really talking about

The problem is putting children there. It's not semantics. They did it intentionally to cause pain so people would stop coming.

So let me get this straight: the administration low-key deliberately chose to display the caged kids as part of some scare campaign that would for sure compromize the administration's popularity but they figured it's more effective to scare ppl (who come from way scarier circumstances than a friggin "cage" in the free world!) than just go through the motions quietly and spare themselves the children-in-cages rep ?Give me a break! 😂

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The point of the display was to enthuse his base and to scare away potential refugees.