Dazed
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Should religious gatherings be exempt from stay-at-home orders?
Yes. Religion is dying. Lets hurry along the process.
Hasn’t there been several linked cases of COVID spreading, tied directly back to services?
Posted by Black-MambaPosted by justagirl
Hasn’t there been several linked cases of COVID spreading, ties directly back to services?
Case in point a choir meetings in Whatcom County up north to practice. There are probably over 30 to 4o people in attendance
they follow all the rules social distancing, they sat or stood 4 feet apart, had sanitizers, etc blah blah
but guess what when you're singing your fuking phlegm goes everywhere
about half got covid-19 and many diedclick to expand
Exactly.
I’m all for eligion and whatever ones beliefs are but no I do NOT think they should be exempt
Stay at home means STAY AT HOME. What the fuxk is so hard to understand about that.
Stay at home does not mean:
Go hang out at a park
Go hang out at a mall
Go hang out at my friends
Go hang out at a church
Go hang out to celebrate whatever it is
Go hang out in public.
Go hang out in stores (the increase of people just leisurely shopping is insane.)
Go hang out at a park
Go hang out at a mall
Go hang out at my friends
Go hang out at a church
Go hang out to celebrate whatever it is
Go hang out in public.
Go hang out in stores (the increase of people just leisurely shopping is insane.)
Posted by _Dazed
From yesterday's Open Phones session on C-SPAN
https://www.c-span.org/video/?471062-2/washington-journal-news-headlines-viewer-calls
As somewhat of a constitutionalist, I'm struggling with the idea of keeping folks from practicing their religion. With today's technology, it's not difficult to have church services broadcast/live streamed, but for some, the people ARE the church. There is no alternative to sitting in the house of God with others.
Thoughts?
It's a stubbornness and selfishness that needs to change.
Cant have any church members if they're all dead.
Churches and religious organizations are exempt from taxes and they receive many more perks.....not to mention their wealth, land tax and much more is footed by their members.
They don’t contribute to the constructs of society via social services or any other public funded service that assists people yet they have insane profits annually.
What they offer to in need members is very little....
So no- they should not be allowed to congregate during a pandemic. They’re knowingly putting lives at risk and causing even more strain on a collapsing healthcare system. If the Muslim’s can not visit during Ramadan, then Christian’s can stay out of the churches.
Everyone has to make these sacrifices.
They don’t contribute to the constructs of society via social services or any other public funded service that assists people yet they have insane profits annually.
What they offer to in need members is very little....
So no- they should not be allowed to congregate during a pandemic. They’re knowingly putting lives at risk and causing even more strain on a collapsing healthcare system. If the Muslim’s can not visit during Ramadan, then Christian’s can stay out of the churches.
Everyone has to make these sacrifices.
God's will...
You worship in your community obeying gods will, and if you die because said will, you die of god's will, not the corona's.
Like Catholics and procreation spin the wheel and see how many babies you have, or grandparents you lose.
You worship in your community obeying gods will, and if you die because said will, you die of god's will, not the corona's.
Like Catholics and procreation spin the wheel and see how many babies you have, or grandparents you lose.
Posted by _Dazed
As somewhat of a constitutionalist, I'm struggling with the idea of keeping folks from practicing their religion. With today's technology, it's not difficult to have church services broadcast/live streamed, but for some, the people ARE the church. There is no alternative to sitting in the house of God with others.
Thoughts?
I doubt that's the scope the constitution went for, anyway, that has been settle already in Reynolds v US, where polygamy was outlawed no matter religion belief, the court said that "Congress was deprived of all legislative power over mere opinion, but was left free to reach actions which were in violation of social duties or subversive of good order." so you can believe in whatever you like, but you can do whatever you like because of it.
there's a reason why Iran has 9 of every 10 cases of covid in the Middle East, is the only country that refused quarantine, Saudi Arabia quarantined, Afghanistan quarantined.... how that's working for them.
heck even in Italy the amount of priest the catholic church loss is impressive, I wonder how they gonna recover from that now.
Posted by Black-Mamba
I think pastors opening up churchs aren't doing it for religion, but to keep their coffers from emptying.
I think its dangerous for society for people to attend any gatherings with other people.
I agree.
I told my bf some churches are still operating and he replied “Put the donation basket under quarantine and then see if they still wanna hold service” 🤣🤣
I was moreso just thinking we should tax them if they want to consider themselves “essential”.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Astrobyn
God's will...
You worship in your community obeying gods will, and if you die because said will, you die of god's will, not the corona's.
Like Catholics and procreation spin the wheel and see how many babies you have, or grandparents you lose.
Them dying is not the issue.
Them infecting others that had nothing to do with the church service....the unsuspecting soul who picks up the apple that Chuch Choir Kelly fondled and put back.....is the issue.
If they are that dedicated they can all quarantine at the church until this is over.click to expand
Gods will, is not a rational argument that you can argue. If god will'ed me to pass it on to someone who then died, then god only used me as a vessel of his will
Posted by xy_sigh
Which group of people are doing this though and for what reason?
Christians/Baptists, money
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by AstrobynPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Astrobyn
God's will...
You worship in your community obeying gods will, and if you die because said will, you die of god's will, not the corona's.
Like Catholics and procreation spin the wheel and see how many babies you have, or grandparents you lose.
Them dying is not the issue.
Them infecting others that had nothing to do with the church service....the unsuspecting soul who picks up the apple that Chuch Choir Kelly fondled and put back.....is the issue.
If they are that dedicated they can all quarantine at the church until this is over.
Gods will, is not a rational argument that you can argue. If god will'ed me to pass it on to someone who then died, then god only used me as a vessel of his will
So, murder should be okay if I say it was God's Will?click to expand
Oh god yes! have you read the bible?
“You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD . “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies— destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and young women. "
... it goes on from there, more of the same stuff.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by AstrobynPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Astrobyn
God's will...
You worship in your community obeying gods will, and if you die because said will, you die of god's will, not the corona's.
Like Catholics and procreation spin the wheel and see how many babies you have, or grandparents you lose.
Them dying is not the issue.
Them infecting others that had nothing to do with the church service....the unsuspecting soul who picks up the apple that Chuch Choir Kelly fondled and put back.....is the issue.
If they are that dedicated they can all quarantine at the church until this is over.
Gods will, is not a rational argument that you can argue. If god will'ed me to pass it on to someone who then died, then god only used me as a vessel of his will
So, murder should be okay if I say it was God's Will?click to expand
ignoring the fact that you're engaging a troll....
isn't that what muslin terrorist believe when they commit jihad?
so. there's precedent in abrahamic religion for that kind of attitude.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by EndlessPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by AstrobynPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Astrobyn
God's will...
You worship in your community obeying gods will, and if you die because said will, you die of god's will, not the corona's.
Like Catholics and procreation spin the wheel and see how many babies you have, or grandparents you lose.
Them dying is not the issue.
Them infecting others that had nothing to do with the church service....the unsuspecting soul who picks up the apple that Chuch Choir Kelly fondled and put back.....is the issue.
If they are that dedicated they can all quarantine at the church until this is over.
Gods will, is not a rational argument that you can argue. If god will'ed me to pass it on to someone who then died, then god only used me as a vessel of his will
So, murder should be okay if I say it was God's Will?
ignoring the fact that you're engaging a troll....
isn't that what muslin terrorist believe when they commit jihad?
so. there's precedent in abrahamic religion for that kind of attitude.
Robyn isnt a troll, she has been here as long as I have. She is just playing devil's advocate.
Yes, I would liken it to muslim terrorists belief when they commit jihad.
I would like for someone to explain that to them. They are basically terrorists.click to expand
the devil's a troll in most religion, being its advocate is trolling in my book, wouldn't care how much time someone has been here, HES has been here since god know when, and he trolls all the time, by his own admission so what gives.... moving on.
morality is a very complex issue, and you, like most westerners immediately correlate the word terrorism with "bad", but for a muslin extremist, the idea of creating terror in the non-believers would be a "good" thing (is what we deserve), so explaining to them that they are terrorist is by no means a deterrent, you can't solve that conundrum on morality grounds alone (I think)
It's easy enough to stream, or use any of the many teleconference apps out there. There really isn't any need for people get together in-person for religious service.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by EndlessPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by EndlessPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by AstrobynPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Astrobyn
God's will...
You worship in your community obeying gods will, and if you die because said will, you die of god's will, not the corona's.
Like Catholics and procreation spin the wheel and see how many babies you have, or grandparents you lose.
Them dying is not the issue.
Them infecting others that had nothing to do with the church service....the unsuspecting soul who picks up the apple that Chuch Choir Kelly fondled and put back.....is the issue.
If they are that dedicated they can all quarantine at the church until this is over.
Gods will, is not a rational argument that you can argue. If god will'ed me to pass it on to someone who then died, then god only used me as a vessel of his will
So, murder should be okay if I say it was God's Will?
ignoring the fact that you're engaging a troll....
isn't that what muslin terrorist believe when they commit jihad?
so. there's precedent in abrahamic religion for that kind of attitude.
Robyn isnt a troll, she has been here as long as I have. She is just playing devil's advocate.
Yes, I would liken it to muslim terrorists belief when they commit jihad.
I would like for someone to explain that to them. They are basically terrorists.
the devil's a troll in most religion, being its advocate is trolling in my book, wouldn't care how much time someone has been here, HES has been here since god know when, and he trolls all the time, by his own admission so what gives.... moving on.
morality is a very complex issue, and you, like most westerners immediately correlate the word terrorism with "bad", but for a muslin extremist, the idea of creating terror in the non-believers would be a "good" thing (is what we deserve), so explaining to them that they are terrorist is by no means a deterrent, you can't solve that conundrum on morality grounds alone (I think)
I think telling American Evangelical Christians they are behaving like terrorists in a formal and unified manner may deter them. Not all, especially not those whose motive is cash driven....but the mom and pops in the general public may think it thru....I would hope.
I can't speak to this "for a muslin extremist, the idea of creating terror in the non-believers would be a "good" thing (is what we deserve)" because that isn't what I personally know about Islam. Anyone I've ever come across doesn't subscribe to that way of thinking, so that gets lost on me.
These Christians are acting out of priviledge and perceived entitlement. The US is supposed to separate church and state. They shouldnt have exceptions that endanger public safety.
I am willing to bet that if Ramadan came before Easter, this would be an entirely different discussion.click to expand
yes, you can try telling them that, but will they believe you more than their own religious leaders?, not every single one of those leaders are there for money, possibly a good chunk are, but there are genuine radical people out there, the amish don't reject technology for money, the mormon shun their own family member that leave their church, heck what about the Jonestown massacre? nope, you can't always argue with them, not on the basis on morality at least.
and if they believe you were sent by the devil to misguide their path.... they would hear nothing.
"that isn't what I personally know about Islam, anyone I've ever come across doesn't subscribe to that way of thinking"
what you know of Islam or christianity has nothing to it, those would read whatever they want to interpret in their holy books, so defending Islam in general is unnecessary when I already used the word "extremist", referring to a) a persona and b) not the average, so you not crossing paths with one of those should be assumed, and considered a blessing tbh
I don't assume most American are bigots, nor are most I know, but who's the president again?, what many ayatollah say out there, would be considered hate speech in the states.
they manage to both baffle and fascinate me (along with whom believe them).
If the government has charged someone with terrorisim for intentionally coughing on others or food- ( pretty sure this has happened a few times in the last couple weeks) then so should the churches be held to the same standard. They are intentionally passing and /or spreading the virus by holding services.
Posted by Chimichanga
I'm going to start a religion where the services are just people sitting on video chat getting shit faced on whiskey and eating barbeque.
Sign me up ✅
Except I’m drinking tea and judging peoples home decor whilst on cam 😎
Posted by sagaciouscorp
You got trump stating is state to state you guys deal with you supplies the. He’s like I say when it’s over. Nope you can have both ways
well, kinda.
it's mostly how laws can superpose each other, trump can impose a national quarantine, states can suspend classes and put in effect other measures, if trump start the quarantine, states "shouldn't break that" but if trump lift it off, states could still keep classes suspended along the other measures, that's their right, and even so, even if the states lift all measures, business are not forced to open, and so and so on.... LMAO right and duties from the top, to the bottom.
but they all should be help responsible to their decision (which they won't obv 🙄)
Again. If this was a physical flesh eating virus everyone could see no one would care about " The Economy " or
" Way Of Life " and have no problem staying in their home. People need to start accepting a day is gonna come where YOU have to depend on yourself for survival. Learn how to tie knots and read a compass before worrying if your favorite restaurant will open in a week
" Way Of Life " and have no problem staying in their home. People need to start accepting a day is gonna come where YOU have to depend on yourself for survival. Learn how to tie knots and read a compass before worrying if your favorite restaurant will open in a week
Well, on one hand I respect free will. On the other hand, god said have wisdom. There is no wisdom in joining hands in prayer when you could catch Covid. Some churches choose a different route of gathering by cars. Like a drive in movie theater. I think that's the safest way to do it besides online viewing.
You're not fighting evil by congregating without precautions. You're making it worse and sending a horrible message. You might as well tell everyone to drink poison.
Now on the flip side to that, I think they're trying express that nothing will happen to them because of whom they worship. Which doesn't make complete sense because otherwise what's the point of having wisdom bestowed upon you?
You're not fighting evil by congregating without precautions. You're making it worse and sending a horrible message. You might as well tell everyone to drink poison.
Now on the flip side to that, I think they're trying express that nothing will happen to them because of whom they worship. Which doesn't make complete sense because otherwise what's the point of having wisdom bestowed upon you?
Posted by ChimichangaPosted by Romz-Posted by Chimichanga
I'm going to start a religion where the services are just people sitting on video chat getting shit faced on whiskey and eating barbeque.
Sign me up ✅
Except I’m drinking tea and judging peoples home decor whilst on cam 😎
That cult is the next door on the left. Bye 👋click to expand
@Romz, welcome have a seat... we will begin shortly, I'll have someone bring you a snack.
Posted by AstrobynPosted by ChimichangaPosted by Romz-Posted by Chimichanga
I'm going to start a religion where the services are just people sitting on video chat getting shit faced on whiskey and eating barbeque.
Sign me up ✅
Except I’m drinking tea and judging peoples home decor whilst on cam 😎
That cult is the next door on the left. Bye 👋
@Romz, welcome have a seat... we will begin shortly, I'll have someone bring you a snack.click to expand
Thank you 🙏
I’m back on the gluten wagon 🍪 so I’ll take one if everything 😌
Also it’s hilarious Rabbit thinks he doesn’t belong in this cult 💅🏽....that bish judges people deli meat choices ffs
Posted by HearttofTopazz
My mom has been telling me stories about some of her church friends, and how they still went to service. She said don’t expect to see me there anymore, and they said Jesus would protect them and then a few caught the corona. One died last week.
Why are these churches still holding services though?
Over here and in some parts of the US the Catholic church has suspended all services, to it's detriment. Some people are pissed off about it and don't realize its for their own safety.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
(PS.....51% of us didn't vote for him)
51% of those who voted.... of a turnout of 55%
which means that he was elected by about 1/4 of the total voting population.
and yet there he is.... talking, lying, representing US internationally.... alas....
Posted by poeticseraphim
Some people must learn the hard way that they are not true christians.
Why are you following me?
Posted by ChicadeePosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by ChicadeePosted by SolaristicPosted by Chicadee
Im for it but don't want to say why
So the die hard bible thumpers will die off?
something to that effect...
to quote Jeff Bloomberg in Jurassic park, "Nature finds a way"
If I didn't have children and grandchildren.....I would carpool those fuckers to their service myself.
might be worth reflecting how having kids (/grandkids) would change my POV on a lot of this 🤔click to expand
Putting her life at risk?
"Religion is for those who are scared of going to hell
Spirituality is for those who have already been there"
Hopefully people will opt for the latter and ditch the
money making, power crazy, brainwashing of the former
I've experienced both....religion wrecked my family and
what my mother thought was helping to keep us on the
straight and narrow, had the opposite effect. Spirituality
saved me ❤️
Spirituality is for those who have already been there"
Hopefully people will opt for the latter and ditch the
money making, power crazy, brainwashing of the former
I've experienced both....religion wrecked my family and
what my mother thought was helping to keep us on the
straight and narrow, had the opposite effect. Spirituality
saved me ❤️
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As somewhat of a constitutionalist, I'm struggling with the idea of keeping folks from practicing their religion. With today's technology, it's not difficult to have church services broadcast/live streamed, but for some, the people ARE the church. There is no alternative to sitting in the house of God with others.
Thoughts?