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Is it racist or am I overreacting?

I don't care that a young black woman was cast as a Disney princess who had previously been drawn as white. She (the actress) is lovely & can sing. And I personally thinks she deserves better than Ariel & this story.

I don't care that they made a black Disney princess; I do care that they made (in my opinion) the absolute *worst* Disney princess black. I've never liked 1989 version of The Little Mermaid, but that's my own shit.

HOWEVER - on to the live action remake:

-I'm assuming it's still taking place in the Caribbean. Which is troubling to me, considering the storyline & their casting choices.

-King Daddy Triton is being protrayed by Javier Bardem. Who is, admittedly, a talented actor. However, he is also Spanish. Since the Spanish were not indigenous to that area, that would make him descended from the Conquistadors.. who were notorious for raping and enslaving the local populace, among other things.

-King Daddy Triton has 7 daughters - all with different hair & eye colors, so one can only assume they were birthed (at least in part) by different women. Women who are never seen, referenced, or alluded to in the original. Sure, the Disney wiki page has some BS about "Queen Athena", but again, she's never seen or heard from.

-Prince Eric is being played by a white British guy. I'll give ya three guesses as to why the British monarchy (or really any monarchy) was in that area after the post-Columbian exploration.. I'll give ya three guesses but I think you'll only need one. Hint: it's terrible.

-The "happy ending" of the movie is Ariel giving up her entire culture & identity in order to go with the white colonizers.

Like seriously. WTF. I didn't like this storyline before but I like it even less now.

Am I the only person bothered by all this? If so, I'll STFU. But it's been on my mind ever since the trailer was released. Everyone was pissed about the color of the mermaid (which is bullshit), but no one is concerned about the context of the story??

Don't remake it at all.
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Posted by twinkletwinklebish

For me it’s that the original animation was already much different from the original tale and no one cared but now as soon as it’s not a white chick they mad mad. It literally doesn’t matter.

For me what’s most problematic is that we’ve turned it into a romantic tale when it’s originally a cautionary tale about not changing yourself for love and that self sacrifice only hurts yourself. In the original she dies for love and doesn’t end up with the Prince at all. Now it’s telling young girls if they just change these things and try to fit what matches him they will win him over. It’s pretty gross.

The story is written by a gay man and unrequited love. The story of Hanns is sad and the meaning behind it.
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I don't care about skin color stuff.

What has and always will bother me is when they change the character's personality or over all feel.

Case and point, Harry Potter. In the books shit just happens to him and he figures it out and deals with it. Adventure mystery feel..

The movies kids action we're is just dives head first into trouble.

The new Dune is also very different. From the book, original movie, and.... the scifi series did a amazing job.

The new Dune felt like a revolution filled with teenager angst. Hunger games....
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I can’t imagine it being the case at all that they thought about it to this level. Do you really think the casting people are educated in this way and then further, making casting decisions based on creating outrage?


I agree that they probably didn't think about it to this level.. but maybe they should have? Idk. I read more than I watch TV or movies. Specifically, I read romance novels. And all of the current authors employ beta readers & sensitivity readers, along with TW (trigger warnings) that are displayed on the front page.

Beta & sensitivity readers are there specifically to ensure that the book doesn't marginalize any group of people that the author may not have much experience with.

A mild example would be if the author is a native English speaker but writing about a person that is Italian. They get an Italian to proofread/beta read to ensure the Italian language is written & used correctly.

A more extreme example would be a straight author writing about an LGBTQ+ character. They would employ beta/sensitivity readers to ensure that the portrayal of the character in the book wouldn't be a caricature or stereotype, etc.

I wonder if Disney did any of that with this movie? Or any of their movies?
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Posted by MonaLisa26

This whole concept is pisses me off because when blacks talking about equality and their culture and contriution to the world - I said more than once - I understand you are too late to give world Michelangelo and Lord Byron but why TF cant you write your own CHILDREN BOOK instead of turning Snow WHITE into a...joke?

I am usually getting blocked or ignored and NEVER argued back or explained...


Uhhhh.... No. That is not what I meant. At all.
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Its a FAIRY TALE.

Yes if ya'll are hyper focused on the skin color of the actors playing MAKE BELIEVE characters in a children's movie that's a bit racist.

One of the best fairytale remakes was the Whitney Houston's Cinderella 1997. Black cinderella, asian prince with a black mom and white dad. Great film.

Imo I don't care what changes are made, just make it good. Like the whole ghostbusters with an all women's cast was such laziness. Literal copy paste and use female actors in convincing us its new and worthwhile.

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yeah she's okay

but i hate that netflix made albert wesker black

what's gonna happen with the eugenics talk?

like what in the uncle ruckus

excuse me?! You are talking about Albert Wesker from Resident Evil?

Yup, and he probably was the most interesting part of the show.
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I loved RE since childhood. Mostly the games. Yeah Wesker is a cool cat asshole 😎. A fake policeman, fake scientist, fake human...got to love him for that.
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yeah she's okay

but i hate that netflix made albert wesker black

what's gonna happen with the eugenics talk?

like what in the uncle ruckus

excuse me?! You are talking about Albert Wesker from Resident Evil?

makes no sense to me
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No way. Wesker is totally Nazi inspired blonde. What is this show, I don't know anything about it?!
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yeah she's okay

but i hate that netflix made albert wesker black

what's gonna happen with the eugenics talk?

like what in the uncle ruckus

excuse me?! You are talking about Albert Wesker from Resident Evil?

Yup, and he probably was the most interesting part of the show.

I loved RE since childhood. Mostly the games. Yeah Wesker is a cool cat asshole 😎. A fake policeman, fake scientist, fake human...got to love him for that.

Only boulders can beat him.
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he was the only character that the stupid Andersen movies didn't ruin completely
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Posted by virgoOPPP

yeah she's okay

but i hate that netflix made albert wesker black

what's gonna happen with the eugenics talk?

like what in the uncle ruckus

excuse me?! You are talking about Albert Wesker from Resident Evil?

Yup, and he probably was the most interesting part of the show.

I loved RE since childhood. Mostly the games. Yeah Wesker is a cool cat asshole 😎. A fake policeman, fake scientist, fake human...got to love him for that.

Only boulders can beat him.

he was the only character that the stupid Andersen movies didn't ruin completely

Oh god, why did you have to remind me of those.

I only watched those a couple of months ago because they were on Netflix and I had never seen them.

The first one still decent though.
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yes I liked it too. Awesome music by Marilyn Manson.
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Posted by Loyal

Why everything black is racist? People just love to be punk ass bitches and bitch about everything regarding black. Black panther gets made, y’all bitch about that, now the little mermaid gets rebooted and here comes the bitches bitching again. You do know you don’t have to go see the movie right? Therefore you can SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR PUNK ASS BITCHING BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR IT.

None of us bitched when Peter Pan called the Native Americans red people when we all know turns red.


If I'm out of line, then I apologize. It wasn't my intent to come across as "how dare they!!".
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I don't care about skin color stuff.

What has and always will bother me is when they change the character's personality or over all feel.

Case and point, Harry Potter. In the books shit just happens to him and he figures it out and deals with it. Adventure mystery feel..

The movies kids action we're is just dives head first into trouble.

The new Dune is also very different. From the book, original movie, and.... the scifi series did a amazing job.

The new Dune felt like a revolution filled with teenager angst. Hunger games....

Harry Potter inspired me ... to use a magic wand 🙀
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lol I bet.
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yeah she's okay

but i hate that netflix made albert wesker black

what's gonna happen with the eugenics talk?

like what in the uncle ruckus

excuse me?! You are talking about Albert Wesker from Resident Evil?

makes no sense to me

No way. Wesker is totally Nazi inspired blonde. What is this show, I don't know anything about it?!
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right? eugenics posterboy is black?
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Posted by virgoOPPP
Posted by GenericUsername
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Posted by GenericUsername
Posted by virgoOPPP

yeah she's okay

but i hate that netflix made albert wesker black

what's gonna happen with the eugenics talk?

like what in the uncle ruckus

excuse me?! You are talking about Albert Wesker from Resident Evil?

makes no sense to me

No way. Wesker is totally Nazi inspired blonde. What is this show, I don't know anything about it?!

right? eugenics posterboy is black?
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can you send me a trailer for the show?
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Posted by Jan12girl

I don’t think most adaptations have done justice to the original work of the Authors. People go gaga over how amazing Godfather movie was . I read the book many years before I saw the movie. Movie was nothing compared to the book.

The screen adaptation was co-written by Mario Puzo himself with Coppola.

I haven’t read the book so I can’t say how true to the original source material it was but given the parameters of film, I’m guessing they were satisfied with achieving their vision.

But if you’re saying you didn’t like the movie compared to the book, then that’s fair enough
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Posted by GenericUsername
Posted by virgoOPPP
Posted by GenericUsername
Posted by virgoOPPP

yeah she's okay

but i hate that netflix made albert wesker black

what's gonna happen with the eugenics talk?

like what in the uncle ruckus

excuse me?! You are talking about Albert Wesker from Resident Evil?

makes no sense to me

No way. Wesker is totally Nazi inspired blonde. What is this show, I don't know anything about it?!

right? eugenics posterboy is black?

can you send me a trailer for the show?
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The movie industry - is at its worst cause of enforced political propaganda. I truly miss the old days - when they were mainly focused on creating quality content, not.... race, gender or whatever political agenda is trending right now.

To make things worst - they're also taking a huge dump on popular movies of the old days - the ones that made history - by remaking them following the current political trends. For past years - almost every movie released in Hollywood & Co. seems to have this political agendas as a mandatory requirement:

- To please feminism - strong (more like - heavily masculine), independent women are a prime requirement. Equal to men "or stronger" - even in the raw power department, cause hey... they're suppose to influence young girls.

- To please race fanatics - multiple races are also a prime requirement - people of all color other than white (black in particular).

- to please the LGBTQ community - some shades of gay are also mandatory, followed by the recent Trans political trend & whatever may follow.

Not filling any of above requirements - each of its representatives might hunt you down trying to cancel your show - for being misogynist, racist or x'phobic. Or at least - that's the main fear factor revolving around this unspoken requirements.

That being said... i find harder and harder to enjoy watching a movie this days. Just take the latest Lord of The Rings fiasco...

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Disney princess movies are toxic anyway. They just want to make bank, otherwise we'd see better narratives.

Exactly I'm missing quality

So many movies are just diarrhea

I don't get the fuss from the bigots though.
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Especially because it’s the same ones who talked about boycotting Disney because Disney wants to turn their kids gay or something. So confusing.
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Disney princess movies are toxic anyway. They just want to make bank, otherwise we'd see better narratives.

Exactly I'm missing quality

So many movies are just diarrhea

I don't get the fuss from the bigots though.

Especially because it’s the same ones who talked about boycotting Disney because Disney wants to turn their kids gay or something. So confusing.

While using technological advances 🤔
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What do you mean
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For me it’s that the original animation was already much different from the original tale and no one cared but now as soon as it’s not a white chick they mad mad. It literally doesn’t matter.

For me what’s most problematic is that we’ve turned it into a romantic tale when it’s originally a cautionary tale about not changing yourself for love and that self sacrifice only hurts yourself. In the original she dies for love and doesn’t end up with the Prince at all. Now it’s telling young girls if they just change these things and try to fit what matches him they will win him over. It’s pretty gross.

The story is written by a gay man and unrequited love.

Pretty sure he wrote about that in a different story.
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https://www.pride.com/movies/2019/7/08/little-mermaid-was-originally-metaphor-unrequited-gay-love?amp

It’s pretty sad

Seems like Andersen longed to be a part of Collin's world. And when Collin later married to a woman, Andersen wrote The Little Mermaid, which "displays himself as the sexual outsider who lost his prince to another," notes literary critic Rictor Norton.

https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/the-little-mermaid-is-really-about-unrequited-gay-love-cba337f4ea85
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The movie industry - is at its worst cause of enforced political propaganda. I truly miss the old days - when they were mainly focused on creating quality content, not.... race, gender or whatever political agenda is trending right now.

To make things worst - they're also taking a huge dump on popular movies of the old days - the ones that made history - by remaking them following the current political trends. For past years - almost every movie released in Hollywood & Co. seems to have this political agendas as a mandatory requirement:

- To please feminism - strong (more like - heavily masculine), independent women are a prime requirement. Equal to men "or stronger" - even in the raw power department, cause hey... they're suppose to influence young girls.

- To please race fanatics - multiple races are also a prime requirement - people of all color other than white (black in particular).

- to please the LGBTQ community - some shades of gay are also mandatory, followed by the recent Trans political trend & whatever may follow.

Not filling any of above requirements - each of its representatives might hunt you down trying to cancel your show - for being misogynist, racist or x'phobic. Or at least - that's the main fear factor revolving around this unspoken requirements.

That being said... i find harder and harder to enjoy watching a movie this days. Just take the latest Lord of The Rings fiasco...

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The movie industry isn't suffering because of enforced "political propaganda".

The movie industry is lacking in creativity. The genuine intention for inclusivity should follow a unique and curated storyline.

Maybe poor quality content stems from inflexibility/rigidity 🤷🏾‍♀️
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That's just it... it's impossible to be creative - if/when creativity is heavily castrated by "woke culture". And this "forced" exclusivity trend is obviously part of the issue. On top of that - the fear of developing new characters/identities - is yet another crippling factor. As it goes with all the remakes of popular shows from the past where the protagonist was a male - where they simply switched gender and now we have Female Dr. Who, Supergirl, Batgirl, She-hulk...



...or the most recent show: Rings of Power:



...where, as can be seen - flexibility (going overboard in all directions) - is actually among the main issues with the show. J. R. R. Tolkien was deemed a great writer - not just cause of his level of creativity but also being highly calculated - while detailing the characters and the world around them. Quite the opposite of the current writers behind The Rings of Power, but also the directors & they choice of actors (where the majority seem mediocre at best). And this TV series is "top tiers in terms of budget (at $ 58 million per episode - a total budget of $ 465 million - Amazon Prime’s The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power has become the most expensive television series ever made)" - so there's no room for excuses. They clearly afforded the top of both fields (be it writers, actors or producers).

Even the backlash in question has the same issue at its roots. Personally, i don't/didn't even intend to watch Ariel - no matter how they made/remade it. The original was enough for me. Yet, the issue is quite obvious none the less. Again, fuck forced inclusion - that's BS. You'd ratter see a remake of Ariel where she's now black just for the sake of inclusion - or a new show, a new story of a Black mermaid - which has her own identity.

Here's an example of a show/story done right - where the woke elements fade away even if you point them out - and that's because all the characters have their well defined identity (neither is stolen or enforced just for sake of weakness). A show where inclusiveness is not an issue - simply because it's based on a game with 10 years of continues development - where chars were continuously crated/added - and they filled all the gender & race gaps (if you will). A show which does have strong & independent female characters - but again, this characters already had that identity within the game itself - so it's not conjured of forced simply to fit a feminist propaganda. As in... "Arcane".



But that's just a show which took 6 years in its making, so it wasn't rushed nor were the writers crippled by some woke agenda or remaking & milking the success of some past past show (like the ones mentioned above).
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Is it racist or am I overreacting?

I don't care that a young black woman was cast as a Disney princess who had previously been drawn as white. She (the actress) is lovely & can sing. And I personally thinks she deserves better than Ariel & this story.

I don't care that they made a black Disney princess; I do care that they made (in my opinion) the absolute *worst* Disney princess black. I've never liked 1989 version of The Little Mermaid, but that's my own shit.

HOWEVER - on to the live action remake:

-I'm assuming it's still taking place in the Caribbean. Which is troubling to me, considering the storyline & their casting choices.

-King Daddy Triton is being protrayed by Javier Bardem. Who is, admittedly, a talented actor. However, he is also Spanish. Since the Spanish were not indigenous to that area, that would make him descended from the Conquistadors.. who were notorious for raping and enslaving the local populace, among other things.

-King Daddy Triton has 7 daughters - all with different hair & eye colors, so one can only assume they were birthed (at least in part) by different women. Women who are never seen, referenced, or alluded to in the original. Sure, the Disney wiki page has some BS about "Queen Athena", but again, she's never seen or heard from.

-Prince Eric is being played by a white British guy. I'll give ya three guesses as to why the British monarchy (or really any monarchy) was in that area after the post-Columbian exploration.. I'll give ya three guesses but I think you'll only need one. Hint: it's terrible.

-The "happy ending" of the movie is Ariel giving up her entire culture & identity in order to go with the white colonizers.

Like seriously. WTF. I didn't like this storyline before but I like it even less now.

Am I the only person bothered by all this? If so, I'll STFU. But it's been on my mind ever since the trailer was released. Everyone was pissed about the color of the mermaid (which is bullshit), but no one is concerned about the context of the story??

Don't remake it at all.

For real? Maybe don't look for subcontext everywhere, sometimes it's just not that deep. It's a basic kids flick.

-no clue who he is, but maybe he got the part because he's a talented actor and his ancestry isn't really a factor? Consistently looking at and reacting negatively based on race and ethnicity is kinda racist.

-its.a.kids.movie. unless they're taught to, kids aren't worried about genetics. Go shop for dolls. They are different colors with different color hair to be inclusive. They probably made all the sisters look different so kids could identify better-"hey that one has the same hair as me".

-see the first response. He's playing a part, stop worrying about the actors dna, it's not the characters DNA. you're looking for a problem where one doesn't exist. Would it be better if it was a black British guy? For real, get over it.

-the happy ending is Ariel's family still loves her and accepts her choice to follow a dream and leave home to pursue it. You're focusing on the actors. What happened is she left home and her culture to be with one her family didn't like, but they still accepted her choice. In simple context, she left her own race to be with a different race.

Based on this pretty much the only way to remake this would be as a new cartoon, but make mermaids animals so no one can get caught up in race or ethnicity. Which is patently sad.
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So.. just because it's a kids movie, the storyline doesn't matter? There are multiple Disney movies from the past - all arguably kids movies - with absolutely awful depictions of marginalized groups. Some of those movies were (rightly) called out at the time of release. Most of them were only called out way after the fact because the things that made them bad were more covert (for the time) so they flew under the radar for longer.

Just because Ariel is a princess/main character instead of a side character, doesn't mean she's not still also a bad character. Just because The Little Mermaid is considered a beloved Disney classic doesn't mean it isn't also kind of fucked up.
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I can’t imagine it being the case at all that they thought about it to this level. Do you really think the casting people are educated in this way and then further, making casting decisions based on creating outrage?

I agree that they probably didn't think about it to this level.. but maybe they should have? Idk. I read more than I watch TV or movies. Specifically, I read romance novels. And all of the current authors employ beta readers & sensitivity readers, along with TW (trigger warnings) that are displayed on the front page.

Beta & sensitivity readers are there specifically to ensure that the book doesn't marginalize any group of people that the author may not have much experience with.

A mild example would be if the author is a native English speaker but writing about a person that is Italian. They get an Italian to proofread/beta read to ensure the Italian language is written & used correctly.

A more extreme example would be a straight author writing about an LGBTQ+ character. They would employ beta/sensitivity readers to ensure that the portrayal of the character in the book wouldn't be a caricature or stereotype, etc.

I wonder if Disney did any of that with this movie? Or any of their movies?

That’s really interesting and I didn’t realize it was done. So it’s these peoples jobs essentially to do the research, know the history, and present any possible outcomes of ways people might perceive it/be offended and address accordingly. I would think a huge entity like Disney would do this, or would want to do this.
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Yeah. Romance is the only genre where I've seen this done. I think it's because most of the [romance] books involve sex & sexual preferences, which is already a vulnerable topic for a lot of people.

Regardless, I hope it catches on in more industries/areas.
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I can’t imagine it being the case at all that they thought about it to this level. Do you really think the casting people are educated in this way and then further, making casting decisions based on creating outrage?

I agree that they probably didn't think about it to this level.. but maybe they should have? Idk. I read more than I watch TV or movies. Specifically, I read romance novels. And all of the current authors employ beta readers & sensitivity readers, along with TW (trigger warnings) that are displayed on the front page.

Beta & sensitivity readers are there specifically to ensure that the book doesn't marginalize any group of people that the author may not have much experience with.

A mild example would be if the author is a native English speaker but writing about a person that is Italian. They get an Italian to proofread/beta read to ensure the Italian language is written & used correctly.

A more extreme example would be a straight author writing about an LGBTQ+ character. They would employ beta/sensitivity readers to ensure that the portrayal of the character in the book wouldn't be a caricature or stereotype, etc.

I wonder if Disney did any of that with this movie? Or any of their movies?

That’s really interesting and I didn’t realize it was done. So it’s these peoples jobs essentially to do the research, know the history, and present any possible outcomes of ways people might perceive it/be offended and address accordingly. I would think a huge entity like Disney would do this, or would want to do this.

Yeah. Romance is the only genre where I've seen this done. I think it's because most of the [romance] books involve sex & sexual preferences, which is already a vulnerable topic for a lot of people.

Regardless, I hope it catches on in more industries/areas.

How do you know it’s being done? Did you read an article about it or are they credited in the book or something?
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The authors usually credit them at the opening of the book, and they (the authors) sometimes do AMA (ask me anything) on Reddit where they've answered questions about it.

EDITED TO ADD - sometimes they credit them in the author's notes at the end of the book instead of at the beginning.
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The movie industry - is at its worst cause of enforced political propaganda. I truly miss the old days - when they were mainly focused on creating quality content, not.... race, gender or whatever political agenda is trending right now.

To make things worst - they're also taking a huge dump on popular movies of the old days - the ones that made history - by remaking them following the current political trends. For past years - almost every movie released in Hollywood & Co. seems to have this political agendas as a mandatory requirement:

- To please feminism - strong (more like - heavily masculine), independent women are a prime requirement. Equal to men "or stronger" - even in the raw power department, cause hey... they're suppose to influence young girls.

- To please race fanatics - multiple races are also a prime requirement - people of all color other than white (black in particular).

- to please the LGBTQ community - some shades of gay are also mandatory, followed by the recent Trans political trend & whatever may follow.

Not filling any of above requirements - each of its representatives might hunt you down trying to cancel your show - for being misogynist, racist or x'phobic. Or at least - that's the main fear factor revolving around this unspoken requirements.

That being said... i find harder and harder to enjoy watching a movie this days. Just take the latest Lord of The Rings fiasco...

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The movie industry isn't suffering because of enforced "political propaganda".

The movie industry is lacking in creativity. The genuine intention for inclusivity should follow a unique and curated storyline.

Maybe poor quality content stems from inflexibility/rigidity 🤷🏾‍♀️

That's just it... it's impossible to be creative - if/when creativity is heavily castrated by "woke culture". And this "forced" exclusivity trend is obviously part of the issue. On top of that - the fear of developing new characters/identities - is yet another crippling factor. As it goes with all the remakes of popular shows from the past where the protagonist was a male - where they simply switched gender and now we have Female Dr. Who, Supergirl, Batgirl, She-hulk...



...or the most recent show: Rings of Power:



...where, as can be seen - flexibility (going overboard in all directions) - is actually among the main issues with the show. J. R. R. Tolkien was deemed a great writer - not just cause of his level of creativity but also being highly calculated - while detailing the characters and the world around them. Quite the opposite of the current writers behind The Rings of Power, but also the directors & they choice of actors (where the majority seem mediocre at best). And this TV series is "top tiers in terms of budget (at $ 58 million per episode - a total budget of $ 465 million - Amazon Prime’s The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power has become the most expensive television series ever made)" - so there's no room for excuses. They clearly afforded the top of both fields (be it writers, actors or producers).

Even the backlash in question has the same issue at its roots. Personally, i don't/didn't even intend to watch Ariel - no matter how they made/remade it. The original was enough for me. Yet, the issue is quite obvious none the less. Again, fuck forced inclusion - that's BS. You'd ratter see a remake of Ariel where she's now black just for the sake of inclusion - or a new show, a new story of a Black mermaid - which has her own identity.

Here's an example of a show/story done right - where the woke elements fade away even if you point them out - and that's because all the characters have their well defined identity (neither is stolen or enforced just for sake of weakness). A show where inclusiveness is not an issue - simply because it's based on a game with 10 years of continues development - where chars were continuously crated/added - and they filled all the gender & race gaps (if you will). A show which does have strong & independent female characters - but again, this characters already had that identity within the game itself - so it's not conjured of forced simply to fit a feminist propaganda. As in... "Arcane".



But that's just a show which took 6 years in its making, so it wasn't rushed nor were the writers crippled by some woke agenda or remaking & milking the success of some past past show (like the ones mentioned above).

So you mean to say, the movie industry will suffer because they'll have less audience. You think, if they remake movies without the "woke-ism" it'll cripple the movie industry?
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The movie industry already suffers cause of poor quality content - while being used as a propaganda tool (each spreading their own flavor of "woke-ism" ). Beyond poor writing, rushed productions & uninspired choice in actors - the investors are another crippling factors - since most avoid taking risks with new content (not generally speaking - at least, cause there's still exceptions here & there). So no, profits are not really that big o an issue (low audience) - since they mainly invest in popular characters/movies from the old days - "same as a brand" - a product that's already recognized by the majority - so enough people will still consume it - even if it's of the shittiest quality (for whatever reason). Marvel or DC Characters, Star Wars, Star Trek , Lord of the Rings & so on and so forth... they're all treated like "brands" this days. Milked for profit based on past popularity or spreading some political agenda.

Why do you think Squid Game - had such a huge success worldwide? Because the story, its production & choice of actors - came first, not woke-ism. They had strong female characters even there - but they weren't written and cast - the woke feminist way (where they put down the male characters - to make the female characters stronger & wiser - just for the sake of woke-ism). Instead, their strength was well defined by their past - especially their feminine strength, but more importantly - they imbued them with relatable traits, thinking & acting patterns (close to a real human being - quite far from "the alien like" personalities of some Hollywood characters). Also, forced inclusiveness was not present there either. Yet, not necessarily a risk in terms of investment - despite being an original take (since that type of intrigues - with captured individuals taking part in some taboo game - were already popular in Korea).
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Disney princess movies are toxic anyway. They just want to make bank, otherwise we'd see better narratives.

Exactly I'm missing quality

So many movies are just diarrhea

I don't get the fuss from the bigots though.

Especially because it’s the same ones who talked about boycotting Disney because Disney wants to turn their kids gay or something. So confusing.

While using technological advances 🤔

What do you mean

Those same people accept technological advances yet expect things to stay the same.

Their beliefs are archaic in a constantly changing world.
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Oh gotcha yeah. Like the people who think abortion is going against gods will. But when it comes to their limp dick god gives them a pass to pop that viagra 🥴
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The movie industry - is at its worst cause of enforced political propaganda. I truly miss the old days - when they were mainly focused on creating quality content, not.... race, gender or whatever political agenda is trending right now.

To make things worst - they're also taking a huge dump on popular movies of the old days - the ones that made history - by remaking them following the current political trends. For past years - almost every movie released in Hollywood & Co. seems to have this political agendas as a mandatory requirement:

- To please feminism - strong (more like - heavily masculine), independent women are a prime requirement. Equal to men "or stronger" - even in the raw power department, cause hey... they're suppose to influence young girls.

- To please race fanatics - multiple races are also a prime requirement - people of all color other than white (black in particular).

- to please the LGBTQ community - some shades of gay are also mandatory, followed by the recent Trans political trend & whatever may follow.

Not filling any of above requirements - each of its representatives might hunt you down trying to cancel your show - for being misogynist, racist or x'phobic. Or at least - that's the main fear factor revolving around this unspoken requirements.

That being said... i find harder and harder to enjoy watching a movie this days. Just take the latest Lord of The Rings fiasco...

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The movie industry isn't suffering because of enforced "political propaganda".

The movie industry is lacking in creativity. The genuine intention for inclusivity should follow a unique and curated storyline.

Maybe poor quality content stems from inflexibility/rigidity 🤷🏾‍♀️

That's just it... it's impossible to be creative - if/when creativity is heavily castrated by "woke culture". And this "forced" exclusivity trend is obviously part of the issue. On top of that - the fear of developing new characters/identities - is yet another crippling factor. As it goes with all the remakes of popular shows from the past where the protagonist was a male - where they simply switched gender and now we have Female Dr. Who, Supergirl, Batgirl, She-hulk...



...or the most recent show: Rings of Power:



...where, as can be seen - flexibility (going overboard in all directions) - is actually among the main issues with the show. J. R. R. Tolkien was deemed a great writer - not just cause of his level of creativity but also being highly calculated - while detailing the characters and the world around them. Quite the opposite of the current writers behind The Rings of Power, but also the directors & they choice of actors (where the majority seem mediocre at best). And this TV series is "top tiers in terms of budget (at $ 58 million per episode - a total budget of $ 465 million - Amazon Prime’s The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power has become the most expensive television series ever made)" - so there's no room for excuses. They clearly afforded the top of both fields (be it writers, actors or producers).

Even the backlash in question has the same issue at its roots. Personally, i don't/didn't even intend to watch Ariel - no matter how they made/remade it. The original was enough for me. Yet, the issue is quite obvious none the less. Again, fuck forced inclusion - that's BS. You'd ratter see a remake of Ariel where she's now black just for the sake of inclusion - or a new show, a new story of a Black mermaid - which has her own identity.

Here's an example of a show/story done right - where the woke elements fade away even if you point them out - and that's because all the characters have their well defined identity (neither is stolen or enforced just for sake of weakness). A show where inclusiveness is not an issue - simply because it's based on a game with 10 years of continues development - where chars were continuously crated/added - and they filled all the gender & race gaps (if you will). A show which does have strong & independent female characters - but again, this characters already had that identity within the game itself - so it's not conjured of forced simply to fit a feminist propaganda. As in... "Arcane".



But that's just a show which took 6 years in its making, so it wasn't rushed nor were the writers crippled by some woke agenda or remaking & milking the success of some past past show (like the ones mentioned above).

So you mean to say, the movie industry will suffer because they'll have less audience. You think, if they remake movies without the "woke-ism" it'll cripple the movie industry?

The movie industry already suffers cause of poor quality content - while being used as a propaganda tool (each spreading their own flavor of "woke-ism" ). Beyond poor writing, rushed productions & uninspired choice in actors - the investors are another crippling factors - since most avoid taking risks with new content (not generally speaking - at least, cause there's still exceptions here & there). So no, profits are not really that big o an issue (low audience) - since they mainly invest in popular characters/movies from the old days - "same as a brand" - a product that's already recognized by the majority - so enough people will still consume it - even if it's of the shittiest quality (for whatever reason). Marvel or DC Characters, Star Wars, Star Trek , Lord of the Rings & so on and so forth... they're all treated like "brands" this days. Milked for profit based on past popularity or spreading some political agenda.

Why do you think Squid Game - had such a huge success worldwide? Because the story, its production & choice of actors - came first, not woke-ism. They had strong female characters even there - but they weren't written and cast - the woke feminist way (where they put down the male characters - to make the female characters stronger & wiser - just for the sake of woke-ism). Instead, their strength was well defined by their past - especially their feminine strength, but more importantly - they imbued them with relatable traits, thinking & acting patterns (close to a real human being - quite far from "the alien like" personalities of some Hollywood characters). Also, forced inclusiveness was not present there either. Yet, not necessarily a risk in terms of investment - despite being an original take (since that type of intrigues - with captured individuals taking part in some taboo game - were already popular in Korea).

Who wrote squid games?
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https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Who+wrote+squid+games% 3F

lol
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All Disney does these days is ruin their classics. The perfect live action adaptation of Ariel in my eyes will always be the cancerian queen herself

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Disney is also ruining one of my childhood favorites hocus pocus by not casting the original characters max,dani,allison smh.

She Hispanic not white lol
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So what, Ariana naturally looks more like Ariel period. And Ariana is of Italian decent not Hispanic. she looks way more like Ariel, sings better, and I’m sure can act better than Halle ever could. For damn sure you wouldn’t hear no complaints from people about ariana portraying Ariel, she fits the character the best inside and out. New Disney ruins everything now and it’s sad what they have become because of this woke bs.
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The movie industry - is at its worst cause of enforced political propaganda. I truly miss the old days - when they were mainly focused on creating quality content, not.... race, gender or whatever political agenda is trending right now.

To make things worst - they're also taking a huge dump on popular movies of the old days - the ones that made history - by remaking them following the current political trends. For past years - almost every movie released in Hollywood & Co. seems to have this political agendas as a mandatory requirement:

- To please feminism - strong (more like - heavily masculine), independent women are a prime requirement. Equal to men "or stronger" - even in the raw power department, cause hey... they're suppose to influence young girls.

- To please race fanatics - multiple races are also a prime requirement - people of all color other than white (black in particular).

- to please the LGBTQ community - some shades of gay are also mandatory, followed by the recent Trans political trend & whatever may follow.

Not filling any of above requirements - each of its representatives might hunt you down trying to cancel your show - for being misogynist, racist or x'phobic. Or at least - that's the main fear factor revolving around this unspoken requirements.

That being said... i find harder and harder to enjoy watching a movie this days. Just take the latest Lord of The Rings fiasco...

Image Not Found

The movie industry isn't suffering because of enforced "political propaganda".

The movie industry is lacking in creativity. The genuine intention for inclusivity should follow a unique and curated storyline.

Maybe poor quality content stems from inflexibility/rigidity 🤷🏾‍♀️

That's just it... it's impossible to be creative - if/when creativity is heavily castrated by "woke culture". And this "forced" exclusivity trend is obviously part of the issue. On top of that - the fear of developing new characters/identities - is yet another crippling factor. As it goes with all the remakes of popular shows from the past where the protagonist was a male - where they simply switched gender and now we have Female Dr. Who, Supergirl, Batgirl, She-hulk...



...or the most recent show: Rings of Power:



...where, as can be seen - flexibility (going overboard in all directions) - is actually among the main issues with the show. J. R. R. Tolkien was deemed a great writer - not just cause of his level of creativity but also being highly calculated - while detailing the characters and the world around them. Quite the opposite of the current writers behind The Rings of Power, but also the directors & they choice of actors (where the majority seem mediocre at best). And this TV series is "top tiers in terms of budget (at $ 58 million per episode - a total budget of $ 465 million - Amazon Prime’s The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power has become the most expensive television series ever made)" - so there's no room for excuses. They clearly afforded the top of both fields (be it writers, actors or producers).

Even the backlash in question has the same issue at its roots. Personally, i don't/didn't even intend to watch Ariel - no matter how they made/remade it. The original was enough for me. Yet, the issue is quite obvious none the less. Again, fuck forced inclusion - that's BS. You'd ratter see a remake of Ariel where she's now black just for the sake of inclusion - or a new show, a new story of a Black mermaid - which has her own identity.

Here's an example of a show/story done right - where the woke elements fade away even if you point them out - and that's because all the characters have their well defined identity (neither is stolen or enforced just for sake of weakness). A show where inclusiveness is not an issue - simply because it's based on a game with 10 years of continues development - where chars were continuously crated/added - and they filled all the gender & race gaps (if you will). A show which does have strong & independent female characters - but again, this characters already had that identity within the game itself - so it's not conjured of forced simply to fit a feminist propaganda. As in... "Arcane".



But that's just a show which took 6 years in its making, so it wasn't rushed nor were the writers crippled by some woke agenda or remaking & milking the success of some past past show (like the ones mentioned above).

So you mean to say, the movie industry will suffer because they'll have less audience. You think, if they remake movies without the "woke-ism" it'll cripple the movie industry?

The movie industry already suffers cause of poor quality content - while being used as a propaganda tool (each spreading their own flavor of "woke-ism" ). Beyond poor writing, rushed productions & uninspired choice in actors - the investors are another crippling factors - since most avoid taking risks with new content (not generally speaking - at least, cause there's still exceptions here & there). So no, profits are not really that big o an issue (low audience) - since they mainly invest in popular characters/movies from the old days - "same as a brand" - a product that's already recognized by the majority - so enough people will still consume it - even if it's of the shittiest quality (for whatever reason). Marvel or DC Characters, Star Wars, Star Trek , Lord of the Rings & so on and so forth... they're all treated like "brands" this days. Milked for profit based on past popularity or spreading some political agenda.

Why do you think Squid Game - had such a huge success worldwide? Because the story, its production & choice of actors - came first, not woke-ism. They had strong female characters even there - but they weren't written and cast - the woke feminist way (where they put down the male characters - to make the female characters stronger & wiser - just for the sake of woke-ism). Instead, their strength was well defined by their past - especially their feminine strength, but more importantly - they imbued them with relatable traits, thinking & acting patterns (close to a real human being - quite far from "the alien like" personalities of some Hollywood characters). Also, forced inclusiveness was not present there either. Yet, not necessarily a risk in terms of investment - despite being an original take (since that type of intrigues - with captured individuals taking part in some taboo game - were already popular in Korea).

So no, profits are not really that big o an issue (low audience) - since they mainly invest in popular characters/movies from the old days - "same as a brand" - a product that's already recognized by the majority - so enough people will still consume it - even if it's of the shittiest quality (for whatever reason). Marvel or DC Characters, Star Wars, Star Trek , Lord of the Rings & so on and so forth... they're all treated like "brands" this days. Milked for profit based on past popularity or spreading some political agenda.

-The box office says that's untrue 🤷🏾‍♀️

Lol if you have a wider and more diverse audience, your best best bet to make profit is to make the movies releatable for the audience. This is why they don't change storylines ie Disney princess for remakes, it's not for the kids but the older generation. Otherwise, we'd see more of the cartoon version 🤷🏾‍♀️
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Did you check the Box Office Revenues? 😒

Thor: Love and Thunder - "Milking the Thor Brand (secure investment)"

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10648342/

Budget

$ 250,000,000 (estimated)

Gross US & Canada

$ 342,973,924

Opening weekend US & Canada

$ 144,165,107Jul 10, 2022

Gross worldwide

$ 759,649,854

VS.

The King's Daughter aka - "A new story & set of characters (unknown brand - risky investement)"

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2328678/

Budget

$ 40,500,000 (estimated)

Gross US & Canada

$ 1,758,963

Opening weekend US & Canada

$ 723,802Jan 23, 2022

Gross worldwide

$ 2,208,852

VS.

Morbius - "Milking yet another Marvel comic character (sure investment)" - also the most bashed movie of 2022, a complete disaster - shitty in every way, yet:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5108870/

Budget

$ 75,000,000 (estimated)

Gross US & Canada

$ 73,865,530

Opening weekend US & Canada

$ 39,005,895Apr 3, 2022

Gross worldwide

$ 163,865,530

VS.

Rings of Power - "Milking the LOTR Brand" - top 3 most bashed TV series of 2022, yet in Asia alone:

https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/india-contributes-12-to-amazon-prime-s-rings-of-power-premiere-viewership-122090601138_1.html

...sigh. 🙄
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The movie industry - is at its worst cause of enforced political propaganda. I truly miss the old days - when they were mainly focused on creating quality content, not.... race, gender or whatever political agenda is trending right now.

To make things worst - they're also taking a huge dump on popular movies of the old days - the ones that made history - by remaking them following the current political trends. For past years - almost every movie released in Hollywood & Co. seems to have this political agendas as a mandatory requirement:

- To please feminism - strong (more like - heavily masculine), independent women are a prime requirement. Equal to men "or stronger" - even in the raw power department, cause hey... they're suppose to influence young girls.

- To please race fanatics - multiple races are also a prime requirement - people of all color other than white (black in particular).

- to please the LGBTQ community - some shades of gay are also mandatory, followed by the recent Trans political trend & whatever may follow.

Not filling any of above requirements - each of its representatives might hunt you down trying to cancel your show - for being misogynist, racist or x'phobic. Or at least - that's the main fear factor revolving around this unspoken requirements.

That being said... i find harder and harder to enjoy watching a movie this days. Just take the latest Lord of The Rings fiasco...

Image Not Found

The movie industry isn't suffering because of enforced "political propaganda".

The movie industry is lacking in creativity. The genuine intention for inclusivity should follow a unique and curated storyline.

Maybe poor quality content stems from inflexibility/rigidity 🤷🏾‍♀️

That's just it... it's impossible to be creative - if/when creativity is heavily castrated by "woke culture". And this "forced" exclusivity trend is obviously part of the issue. On top of that - the fear of developing new characters/identities - is yet another crippling factor. As it goes with all the remakes of popular shows from the past where the protagonist was a male - where they simply switched gender and now we have Female Dr. Who, Supergirl, Batgirl, She-hulk...



...or the most recent show: Rings of Power:



...where, as can be seen - flexibility (going overboard in all directions) - is actually among the main issues with the show. J. R. R. Tolkien was deemed a great writer - not just cause of his level of creativity but also being highly calculated - while detailing the characters and the world around them. Quite the opposite of the current writers behind The Rings of Power, but also the directors & they choice of actors (where the majority seem mediocre at best). And this TV series is "top tiers in terms of budget (at $ 58 million per episode - a total budget of $ 465 million - Amazon Prime’s The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power has become the most expensive television series ever made)" - so there's no room for excuses. They clearly afforded the top of both fields (be it writers, actors or producers).

Even the backlash in question has the same issue at its roots. Personally, i don't/didn't even intend to watch Ariel - no matter how they made/remade it. The original was enough for me. Yet, the issue is quite obvious none the less. Again, fuck forced inclusion - that's BS. You'd ratter see a remake of Ariel where she's now black just for the sake of inclusion - or a new show, a new story of a Black mermaid - which has her own identity.

Here's an example of a show/story done right - where the woke elements fade away even if you point them out - and that's because all the characters have their well defined identity (neither is stolen or enforced just for sake of weakness). A show where inclusiveness is not an issue - simply because it's based on a game with 10 years of continues development - where chars were continuously crated/added - and they filled all the gender & race gaps (if you will). A show which does have strong & independent female characters - but again, this characters already had that identity within the game itself - so it's not conjured of forced simply to fit a feminist propaganda. As in... "Arcane".



But that's just a show which took 6 years in its making, so it wasn't rushed nor were the writers crippled by some woke agenda or remaking & milking the success of some past past show (like the ones mentioned above).

So you mean to say, the movie industry will suffer because they'll have less audience. You think, if they remake movies without the "woke-ism" it'll cripple the movie industry?

The movie industry already suffers cause of poor quality content - while being used as a propaganda tool (each spreading their own flavor of "woke-ism" ). Beyond poor writing, rushed productions & uninspired choice in actors - the investors are another crippling factors - since most avoid taking risks with new content (not generally speaking - at least, cause there's still exceptions here & there). So no, profits are not really that big o an issue (low audience) - since they mainly invest in popular characters/movies from the old days - "same as a brand" - a product that's already recognized by the majority - so enough people will still consume it - even if it's of the shittiest quality (for whatever reason). Marvel or DC Characters, Star Wars, Star Trek , Lord of the Rings & so on and so forth... they're all treated like "brands" this days. Milked for profit based on past popularity or spreading some political agenda.

Why do you think Squid Game - had such a huge success worldwide? Because the story, its production & choice of actors - came first, not woke-ism. They had strong female characters even there - but they weren't written and cast - the woke feminist way (where they put down the male characters - to make the female characters stronger & wiser - just for the sake of woke-ism). Instead, their strength was well defined by their past - especially their feminine strength, but more importantly - they imbued them with relatable traits, thinking & acting patterns (close to a real human being - quite far from "the alien like" personalities of some Hollywood characters). Also, forced inclusiveness was not present there either. Yet, not necessarily a risk in terms of investment - despite being an original take (since that type of intrigues - with captured individuals taking part in some taboo game - were already popular in Korea).

Who wrote squid games?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Who+wrote+squid+games% 3F

lol

Lol because you provided Squid Games as an example, so I asked you who wrote it. You keep complaining about feminism and then added that Squid Games is a huge success but not because of "fake woke-ism". Our society enjoys those type of movies; violence, psychological thriller. The show isn't that deep into with what we've been discussing.

Sigh fake men.
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If you didn't see the movie or not aware why it's so popular looked it up. As mentioned above - Squid Game didn't suffer from any woke-ism (as you put it). That's actually a good example - of a impactful female character done right. Somehow similar to the old days of writing a female character like - Sarah Connor (Terminator Series) or Ellen Ripley (Alien Series). You ask basic questions - where the answers are a google search away.

Sigh, shallow woman who always reads between lines. 🙄
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The movie industry - is at its worst cause of enforced political propaganda. I truly miss the old days - when they were mainly focused on creating quality content, not.... race, gender or whatever political agenda is trending right now.

To make things worst - they're also taking a huge dump on popular movies of the old days - the ones that made history - by remaking them following the current political trends. For past years - almost every movie released in Hollywood & Co. seems to have this political agendas as a mandatory requirement:

- To please feminism - strong (more like - heavily masculine), independent women are a prime requirement. Equal to men "or stronger" - even in the raw power department, cause hey... they're suppose to influence young girls.

- To please race fanatics - multiple races are also a prime requirement - people of all color other than white (black in particular).

- to please the LGBTQ community - some shades of gay are also mandatory, followed by the recent Trans political trend & whatever may follow.

Not filling any of above requirements - each of its representatives might hunt you down trying to cancel your show - for being misogynist, racist or x'phobic. Or at least - that's the main fear factor revolving around this unspoken requirements.

That being said... i find harder and harder to enjoy watching a movie this days. Just take the latest Lord of The Rings fiasco...

Image Not Found

The movie industry isn't suffering because of enforced "political propaganda".

The movie industry is lacking in creativity. The genuine intention for inclusivity should follow a unique and curated storyline.

Maybe poor quality content stems from inflexibility/rigidity 🤷🏾‍♀️

That's just it... it's impossible to be creative - if/when creativity is heavily castrated by "woke culture". And this "forced" exclusivity trend is obviously part of the issue. On top of that - the fear of developing new characters/identities - is yet another crippling factor. As it goes with all the remakes of popular shows from the past where the protagonist was a male - where they simply switched gender and now we have Female Dr. Who, Supergirl, Batgirl, She-hulk...



...or the most recent show: Rings of Power:



...where, as can be seen - flexibility (going overboard in all directions) - is actually among the main issues with the show. J. R. R. Tolkien was deemed a great writer - not just cause of his level of creativity but also being highly calculated - while detailing the characters and the world around them. Quite the opposite of the current writers behind The Rings of Power, but also the directors & they choice of actors (where the majority seem mediocre at best). And this TV series is "top tiers in terms of budget (at $ 58 million per episode - a total budget of $ 465 million - Amazon Prime’s The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power has become the most expensive television series ever made)" - so there's no room for excuses. They clearly afforded the top of both fields (be it writers, actors or producers).

Even the backlash in question has the same issue at its roots. Personally, i don't/didn't even intend to watch Ariel - no matter how they made/remade it. The original was enough for me. Yet, the issue is quite obvious none the less. Again, fuck forced inclusion - that's BS. You'd ratter see a remake of Ariel where she's now black just for the sake of inclusion - or a new show, a new story of a Black mermaid - which has her own identity.

Here's an example of a show/story done right - where the woke elements fade away even if you point them out - and that's because all the characters have their well defined identity (neither is stolen or enforced just for sake of weakness). A show where inclusiveness is not an issue - simply because it's based on a game with 10 years of continues development - where chars were continuously crated/added - and they filled all the gender & race gaps (if you will). A show which does have strong & independent female characters - but again, this characters already had that identity within the game itself - so it's not conjured of forced simply to fit a feminist propaganda. As in... "Arcane".



But that's just a show which took 6 years in its making, so it wasn't rushed nor were the writers crippled by some woke agenda or remaking & milking the success of some past past show (like the ones mentioned above).

So you mean to say, the movie industry will suffer because they'll have less audience. You think, if they remake movies without the "woke-ism" it'll cripple the movie industry?

The movie industry already suffers cause of poor quality content - while being used as a propaganda tool (each spreading their own flavor of "woke-ism" ). Beyond poor writing, rushed productions & uninspired choice in actors - the investors are another crippling factors - since most avoid taking risks with new content (not generally speaking - at least, cause there's still exceptions here & there). So no, profits are not really that big o an issue (low audience) - since they mainly invest in popular characters/movies from the old days - "same as a brand" - a product that's already recognized by the majority - so enough people will still consume it - even if it's of the shittiest quality (for whatever reason). Marvel or DC Characters, Star Wars, Star Trek , Lord of the Rings & so on and so forth... they're all treated like "brands" this days. Milked for profit based on past popularity or spreading some political agenda.

Why do you think Squid Game - had such a huge success worldwide? Because the story, its production & choice of actors - came first, not woke-ism. They had strong female characters even there - but they weren't written and cast - the woke feminist way (where they put down the male characters - to make the female characters stronger & wiser - just for the sake of woke-ism). Instead, their strength was well defined by their past - especially their feminine strength, but more importantly - they imbued them with relatable traits, thinking & acting patterns (close to a real human being - quite far from "the alien like" personalities of some Hollywood characters). Also, forced inclusiveness was not present there either. Yet, not necessarily a risk in terms of investment - despite being an original take (since that type of intrigues - with captured individuals taking part in some taboo game - were already popular in Korea).

Who wrote squid games?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Who+wrote+squid+games% 3F

lol

Lol because you provided Squid Games as an example, so I asked you who wrote it. You keep complaining about feminism and then added that Squid Games is a huge success but not because of "fake woke-ism". Our society enjoys those type of movies; violence, psychological thriller. The show isn't that deep into with what we've been discussing.

Sigh fake men.

If you didn't see the movie or not aware why it's so popular looked it up. As mentioned above - Squid Game didn't suffer from any woke-ism (as you put it). That's actually a good example - of a impactful female character done right. Somehow similar to the old days of writing a female character like - Sarah Connor (Terminator Series) or Ellen Ripley (Alien Series). You ask basic questions - where the answers are a google search away.

Sigh, shallow woman who always reads between lines. 🙄

So you should have googled remake movies and how much they've made 🤷🏾‍♀️.

I asked a simple question but came with an attitude.

Have yourself a good day, stay woke 👋🏽
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Took me between 10 and up to 30 minutes to gather some of those "facts" and put them together. And after posting the message, sometimes even shortly after a minute - i get a notification that you already answered/replied. Thus, you being shallow & reading between lines is also an obvious fact. Even the fastest human with the highest IQ can't read the full content & reply so fast while taking all that was said into account. So basically, you're just wasting my time. 🙄

Here: https://www.the-numbers.com/market/source/Remake

Cause compared to you (whom, doesn't even bother to read half the message - let alone check external sources) - I already checked. And yet - you still make such claims - while taking only your inner thoughts on this subject into account. Grow up - you're not a toddler anymore to display such a high level of self-centrism. Sigh. 😒
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Posted by Truemara

I’m watching on Disney little mermaid live nobody complaining about queen Latifa playing the octopus


Ursula wasn't the one that was forced to become an entirely different species in order to achieve her happiness.

The original cartoon scripters chose to wildly deviate from the source material. And of all the directions they could have taken it, they chose the one they did? Really??

If this live action sticks to the "copy and paste" model of all the previous live action remakes, then I have a problem with it.

All it would take is inserting a scene where Prince Eric volunteers to take Ariel's place & become a merman or something.. just something to show they are equally invested in each other. That he is willing to become a subject of & live in her kingdom as an equal instead of just naturally assuming she would become a subject in his.
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