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@antiochus he brings up the very real ongoing issue of poc being denied the vote, their voice in democracy.
How is that about needing white people to validate your pain?
He’s saying, hello this is still happening. The fight isn’t over. Don’t bury your head in the sand.
How is that about needing white people to validate your pain?
He’s saying, hello this is still happening. The fight isn’t over. Don’t bury your head in the sand.
It’s easy for a foreigner to look at the picture the media portrays and think you know how our country works.
It’s not that simple.
Your perception does not resemble our reality.
It’s not that simple.
Your perception does not resemble our reality.
Posted by AntiochusPosted by LadyNeptune
@antiochus he brings up the very real ongoing issue of poc being denied the vote, there voice in democracy.
How is that about needing white people to validate your pain?
He’s saying, hello this is still happening. The fight isn’t over. Don’t bury your head in the sand.
That this shouldn't be allowed to happen is self-explanatory.
I'm not denying that this is happening, nor am I saying that racism is a small issue or anything like that.
I'm neither burying my head in the sand nor am I saying that the fight is over.
In fact my point is that this fight will keep going for quite some time if things are handled the same they have been handled the last years, heck even decades.
What I'm doing is looking for potential solutions or ways to fight it.
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I thought your point is to repeat the past and be all about those ghandi vibes.
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Not exactly, sir, in nearly every district where you have had significantly gerrymandered districts you also have had *dun, dun, dun* significant and well-documented histories of racialized discrimination and racialized voter suppression. The tactics and aims of the other side (the active resistance to equality and egalitarianism) that I have made mention of time and time again is channelling those racist legacies and sentiments to form and shape tactics limit the backlash of a Trump a monster of their own making.
By the way this election was a blowout for the conservative right...losing a grand total of 35 seats despite their tactics. You haven't had such a swing since Watergate and even then 2018's election blows the last swing out of the water.
Fires you happily keep feeding.
Oh, right I should just forget all about it and kumbaya them to defeat. I'll get right on that.
That's again intentionally misrepresenting what I said, Mr. Trump.
You: You're feeding fires Trumper.
Me: Hrm no I am not here is why I am not according to me, here is the history that underpins the reason why I am not, here is why others have said my line of thinking is not......Here is corroboration from actual current events....
But like I said before yohkay.
Nah, you made the equation
listening to the other side = doing nothing
while I never said that nothing should be done. That's the factor your are misrepresenting.
Listening to the other side on issues of documented racial maltreatment? Tell me what is it that POC are missing here?
Yes, because that's what you do in a democracy.
Hrm okay. How long do POC have to speak then before white majorities validate our pain?
Mind you that King already spoke on this back in the 1960's and by the time that he did the issues facing the black community in the states was several hundred years old.......BLM did as well...so tell me Mr. Kumbaya Democracy Man how long till this democracy actually listens?
Why do white people have to validate someone POCs pain? Pain is Pain.
This also has nothing to do with what democracy is.
I think your democracy is listening and in order to give this tendency the weight it needs to sweep racism aside once and for all you need to start listening as well.
Doesn't have to do with what democracy is? But you just said we have to listen to the other side because its a democracy? Or am I twisting your words again lol? ...and you think my democracy is listening?? Tell me why would they be now?
So your argument is because they aren't listening you don't have to listen as well?
If that is the case you don't the concept of democracy very seriously.
Nope, I am saying that waiting for them to listen on their terms or as you put it "letting them come to you to turn em into allies" is complete bunk, as history and current events has shown.
I didn't say that you should sit there and wait for things to get better on their own.
My point is that a democracy needs dialouge and dialouge implies listening to me.
They may chose not do this. That's something you can't influence but you can decide how you want to be part of this democracy and as a result shape it.
You still say that what they say ist bullshit and that's what it most likely will be but not listening you play into their hands.
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Um am I missing something... Your not American so why are you talking like your opinion is gonna effect shit.
Do you moonlight as a Supreme Court judge. Brett is that you?
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Not exactly, sir, in nearly every district where you have had significantly gerrymandered districts you also have had *dun, dun, dun* significant and well-documented histories of racialized discrimination and racialized voter suppression. The tactics and aims of the other side (the active resistance to equality and egalitarianism) that I have made mention of time and time again is channelling those racist legacies and sentiments to form and shape tactics limit the backlash of a Trump a monster of their own making.
By the way this election was a blowout for the conservative right...losing a grand total of 35 seats despite their tactics. You haven't had such a swing since Watergate and even then 2018's election blows the last swing out of the water.
Fires you happily keep feeding.
Oh, right I should just forget all about it and kumbaya them to defeat. I'll get right on that.
That's again intentionally misrepresenting what I said, Mr. Trump.
You: You're feeding fires Trumper.
Me: Hrm no I am not here is why I am not according to me, here is the history that underpins the reason why I am not, here is why others have said my line of thinking is not......Here is corroboration from actual current events....
But like I said before yohkay.
Nah, you made the equation
listening to the other side = doing nothing
while I never said that nothing should be done. That's the factor your are misrepresenting.
Listening to the other side on issues of documented racial maltreatment? Tell me what is it that POC are missing here?
Yes, because that's what you do in a democracy.
Hrm okay. How long do POC have to speak then before white majorities validate our pain?
Mind you that King already spoke on this back in the 1960's and by the time that he did the issues facing the black community in the states was several hundred years old.......BLM did as well...so tell me Mr. Kumbaya Democracy Man how long till this democracy actually listens?
Why do white people have to validate someone POCs pain? Pain is Pain.
This also has nothing to do with what democracy is.
I think your democracy is listening and in order to give this tendency the weight it needs to sweep racism aside once and for all you need to start listening as well.
Doesn't have to do with what democracy is? But you just said we have to listen to the other side because its a democracy? Or am I twisting your words again lol? ...and you think my democracy is listening?? Tell me why would they be now?
So your argument is because they aren't listening you don't have to listen as well?
If that is the case you don't the concept of democracy very seriously.click to expand
lmao why did this threat continue for so long?
"If that is the case you don't (take?) the concept of democracy very seriously
excuse me but, what does a democracy (the rule of the majority, yes?) have to do with listening?
if it clear to both of you that the US is basically a white oligarchy that exploits the democratic system to put PoC on the end of the stick, Idk wtf you're blablering about for so many pages.
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Not exactly, sir, in nearly every district where you have had significantly gerrymandered districts you also have had *dun, dun, dun* significant and well-documented histories of racialized discrimination and racialized voter suppression. The tactics and aims of the other side (the active resistance to equality and egalitarianism) that I have made mention of time and time again is channelling those racist legacies and sentiments to form and shape tactics limit the backlash of a Trump a monster of their own making.
By the way this election was a blowout for the conservative right...losing a grand total of 35 seats despite their tactics. You haven't had such a swing since Watergate and even then 2018's election blows the last swing out of the water.
Fires you happily keep feeding.
Oh, right I should just forget all about it and kumbaya them to defeat. I'll get right on that.
That's again intentionally misrepresenting what I said, Mr. Trump.
You: You're feeding fires Trumper.
Me: Hrm no I am not here is why I am not according to me, here is the history that underpins the reason why I am not, here is why others have said my line of thinking is not......Here is corroboration from actual current events....
But like I said before yohkay.
Nah, you made the equation
listening to the other side = doing nothing
while I never said that nothing should be done. That's the factor your are misrepresenting.
Listening to the other side on issues of documented racial maltreatment? Tell me what is it that POC are missing here?
Yes, because that's what you do in a democracy.
Hrm okay. How long do POC have to speak then before white majorities validate our pain?
Mind you that King already spoke on this back in the 1960's and by the time that he did the issues facing the black community in the states was several hundred years old.......BLM did as well...so tell me Mr. Kumbaya Democracy Man how long till this democracy actually listens?
Why do white people have to validate someone POCs pain? Pain is Pain.
This also has nothing to do with what democracy is.
I think your democracy is listening and in order to give this tendency the weight it needs to sweep racism aside once and for all you need to start listening as well.
Doesn't have to do with what democracy is? But you just said we have to listen to the other side because its a democracy? Or am I twisting your words again lol? ...and you think my democracy is listening?? Tell me why would they be now?
So your argument is because they aren't listening you don't have to listen as well?
If that is the case you don't the concept of democracy very seriously.
lmao why did this threat continue for so long?
"If that is the case you don't (take?) the concept of democracy very seriously
excuse me but, what does a democracy (the rule of the majority, yes?) have to do with listening?
if it clear to both of you that the US is basically a white oligarchy that exploits the democratic system to put PoC on the end of the stick, Idk wtf you're blablering about for so many pages.
To me it is part of the democratic process to listen to each other. Those who are elected swear an oath of fighting for the wellbeing of all their citizens., regardless of their political orientation.
This is my opinon can only be done effectively if those who won listen to the concerns of those who lost.
The process of arguing and debating serves as a mechanic to find the best solution.
At least in theory. Reality is a different thing.click to expand
you cannot just listen to each other and expect mankind to be contend with the middle point, you can't fight pareto efficiency, but people will never just accept it, people always want more, the majority will be in the top if that happens, that's why, is the constitution job to limit what the majority can do.
the point here is, you shouldnt NEVER discuss people's rights, is a embarrassment when the supreme court is the one that had to intervene so people could have the right to equal marriage, all because the representatives are discussing, a human right
and clearly swear an oath is not working.
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Not exactly, sir, in nearly every district where you have had significantly gerrymandered districts you also have had *dun, dun, dun* significant and well-documented histories of racialized discrimination and racialized voter suppression. The tactics and aims of the other side (the active resistance to equality and egalitarianism) that I have made mention of time and time again is channelling those racist legacies and sentiments to form and shape tactics limit the backlash of a Trump a monster of their own making.
By the way this election was a blowout for the conservative right...losing a grand total of 35 seats despite their tactics. You haven't had such a swing since Watergate and even then 2018's election blows the last swing out of the water.
Fires you happily keep feeding.
Oh, right I should just forget all about it and kumbaya them to defeat. I'll get right on that.
That's again intentionally misrepresenting what I said, Mr. Trump.
You: You're feeding fires Trumper.
Me: Hrm no I am not here is why I am not according to me, here is the history that underpins the reason why I am not, here is why others have said my line of thinking is not......Here is corroboration from actual current events....
But like I said before yohkay.
Nah, you made the equation
listening to the other side = doing nothing
while I never said that nothing should be done. That's the factor your are misrepresenting.
Listening to the other side on issues of documented racial maltreatment? Tell me what is it that POC are missing here?
Yes, because that's what you do in a democracy.
Hrm okay. How long do POC have to speak then before white majorities validate our pain?
Mind you that King already spoke on this back in the 1960's and by the time that he did the issues facing the black community in the states was several hundred years old.......BLM did as well...so tell me Mr. Kumbaya Democracy Man how long till this democracy actually listens?
Why do white people have to validate someone POCs pain? Pain is Pain.
This also has nothing to do with what democracy is.
I think your democracy is listening and in order to give this tendency the weight it needs to sweep racism aside once and for all you need to start listening as well.
Doesn't have to do with what democracy is? But you just said we have to listen to the other side because its a democracy? Or am I twisting your words again lol? ...and you think my democracy is listening?? Tell me why would they be now?
So your argument is because they aren't listening you don't have to listen as well?
If that is the case you don't the concept of democracy very seriously.
lmao why did this threat continue for so long?
"If that is the case you don't (take?) the concept of democracy very seriously
excuse me but, what does a democracy (the rule of the majority, yes?) have to do with listening?
if it clear to both of you that the US is basically a white oligarchy that exploits the democratic system to put PoC on the end of the stick, Idk wtf you're blablering about for so many pages.
To me it is part of the democratic process to listen to each other. Those who are elected swear an oath of fighting for the wellbeing of all their citizens., regardless of their political orientation.
This is my opinon can only be done effectively if those who won listen to the concerns of those who lost.
The process of arguing and debating serves as a mechanic to find the best solution.
At least in theory. Reality is a different thing.
you cannot just listen to each other and expect mankind to be contend with the middle point, you can't fight pareto efficiency, but people will never just accept it, people always want more, the majority will be in the top if that happens, that's why, is the constitution job to limit what the majority can do.
the point here is, you shouldnt NEVER discuss people's rights, is a embarrassment when the supreme court is the one that had to intervene so people could have the right to equal marriage, all because the representatives are discussing, a human right
and clearly swear an oath is not working.
I can't expect it and I don't but that doesn't change the fact that I'm willing to subject myself to this process.
You can't fight pareto efficency but you can fight and argue what is "good" and should aspired. In fact that's what most discussions seem to be about.
That peoples right and their diginity are not negotiable is a given to me.
Still, there are two spheres: The instutions of a democracy that are to be defended and softer human sphere.
If one is working well it can compensate for the shortcomings of the other, more lacking sphere.
One example of the democratic spirit working without proper instituations is the late post-napoleonic Prussia in which a lot of discourse happened via newspapers which in turn influenced the politics despite of having only a very basic democracy.
I can't speak for the american supreme court but in the case of my nation the apple of discord regarding the law was how people understand the concept of family as it was family that is put under special protection of the law. Those who argued against same sex marriage said family includes the marriage between a women and a man and thus is under protection and should not be changed.
To me a stupid argument but it convinced enough people to withhold the right to marriage for some until two years or so ago.
Swearing an oath can work as the concept of dictatorship in Rome proves but it only works if that oath has a meaning beyond the legally binding aspect of it. Something that is next to no longer existent in most western societies anymore.click to expand
"I can't expect it and I don't but that doesn't change the fact that I'm willing to subject myself to this process"
but if the process is not working why are you willing to subject yourself to it? and don't expect others to subject themself to a process they feel is abusing them.
"You can't fight pareto efficency but you can fight and argue what is "good" and should aspired. In fact that's what most discussions seem to be about"
the problem stand though, if you dont consider that it is "good" that half of the world's net wealth belongs to the top 1% of the people, and by democracy, you try to stop them from leeching the tax paying system, they will make a move too, there will be resistance, every time you do a change to the wealth distribution, there will be resistance.
"One example of the democratic spirit working without proper institutions is the late post-napoleonic Prussia in which a lot of discourse happened via newspapers which in turn influenced the politics despite of having only a very basic democracy"
influenced and news? just two words..... FOX NEWS.... nuff said.
and
sadly, i was actually thinking in interracial marriage, considering the "theme" of this threat, but it also work with gay marriage, is funny, is been a couple of decades and most people forget that, yeah, that was a thing.
"Swearing an oath can work as the concept of dictatorship in Rome proves"
you can compare history like that, in a time where people needed to wait month for a single message to arrive many mistakes where made just for the lack of communication, even so, rome history is so big it will derange this threat to no end.
Posted by Antiochus
@Endless
I subject myself to it because I believe in democracy and that we will have a true democracy one day.
How is it abusing them? The rules are the same for everyone. I just happen to add some more to them and make my case and offer to the population. Either people will agree or not.
Of course there will be resistance but we can decide in what way we chose to overcome it. There are different ways with different pros and cons. Some feel stronger about some points and some stronger about others. In the end you make your offer, argue for it and it will accepted by the majority and then legitimized by it or not.
There is also the fact that most nations laws protect the right to have and keep property. Those are not easily circumvented.
Prussia is a very unique story and most Prussians would have probably killed themselves out of shame if Fox News would have been somthing that came into being in Prussia and under their watch.
Well, my intention was to give an example regarding how laws often have to be interpreted and how it can look things into an status quo although one would think that the law is pretty clear about it.
Point taken about Rome but I'd stil argue that it is an incredibly important part of a democracy that people are willing to open themselves to other perspectives and engage in debates in order to search for the best solution that also gets enough votes.
"I subject myself to it because I believe in democracy and that we will have a true democracy one day"
well, is always useless to talk someone down on moral ground alone, so I wont argue your belief, maybe one day your dream come true.
"How is it abusing them? The rules are the same for everyone. I just happen to add some more to them and make my case and offer to the population. Either people will agree or not"
because we are talking about racial divisions, when PoC feel, and point out, that many times, the majority (white) use the privilege of being that majority to make rules that benefit them, they are talking about that abuse.
when the two biggest political parties are one that have systematically treated you like a second class citizen, and a party that used to, but now say they are not gonna do that anymore, then obviously you will feel alienated against the system.
PoC want change, and they want to see that change during their life time, they will naturally feel, that casually talking things out is not gonna work.
"Of course there will be resistance but we can decide in what way we chose to overcome it. There are different ways with different pros and cons"
indeed, when slavery was a thing in the US, there was a path to overcome it, the pros was the abolition of slavery, the cons, it was a war, the ends justify the means, and I approve that end.
"Prussia is a very unique story"
that's why I generally don't make comparisons, humanity can be something remarkable.
"Well, my intention was to give an example regarding how laws often have to be interpreted and how it can look things into an status quo although one would think that the law is pretty clear about it"
the US had the jim crow laws until 1965, for black people the feeling of segregation is still a haunting shadow that follows them around the nation
the path of the civil rights movement was filled with protest, disobedience and for some, death, that's what worked then, and for some, is whats necessary now too, so they will continue kicking and screaming until they feel their needs are meet, and if civilization as taught us anything, it is that feeling never comes.
"You took this shit to da nother fucking level"
*Chris rock voice
I was actually trying to emphasize on the similarities, though I included the small deviation of them calling police.
All of you are idiots & don't know shit
Stfu
You are not the future
*Chris rock voice
I was actually trying to emphasize on the similarities, though I included the small deviation of them calling police.
All of you are idiots & don't know shit
Stfu
You are not the future
Posted by 777
"You took this shit to da nother fucking level"
*Chris rock voice
I was actually trying to emphasize on the similarities, though I included the small deviation of them calling police.
All of you are idiots & don't know shit
Stfu
You are not the future
that's why we ignored you and started discussing something interesting instead.
don't get mad if you got the charisma of a chipotle enema.
@Ixion
that guy could translate blanco to white but not negro to black, how convenient 😆
Posted by EndlessPosted by 777
"You took this shit to da nother fucking level"
*Chris rock voice
I was actually trying to emphasize on the similarities, though I included the small deviation of them calling police.
All of you are idiots & don't know shit
Stfu
You are not the future
that's why we ignored you and started discussing something interesting instead.
don't get mad if you got the charisma of a chipotle enema.
@Ixion
that guy could translate blanco to white but not negro to black, how convenient 😆click to expand
Shut ur retarded redundant a $ $ up.
I don't even recognize your user name.
Keep it pushin
Posted by AntiochusPosted by EndlessPosted by Antiochus
@Endless
I subject myself to it because I believe in democracy and that we will have a true democracy one day.
How is it abusing them? The rules are the same for everyone. I just happen to add some more to them and make my case and offer to the population. Either people will agree or not.
Of course there will be resistance but we can decide in what way we chose to overcome it. There are different ways with different pros and cons. Some feel stronger about some points and some stronger about others. In the end you make your offer, argue for it and it will accepted by the majority and then legitimized by it or not.
There is also the fact that most nations laws protect the right to have and keep property. Those are not easily circumvented.
Prussia is a very unique story and most Prussians would have probably killed themselves out of shame if Fox News would have been somthing that came into being in Prussia and under their watch.
Well, my intention was to give an example regarding how laws often have to be interpreted and how it can look things into an status quo although one would think that the law is pretty clear about it.
Point taken about Rome but I'd stil argue that it is an incredibly important part of a democracy that people are willing to open themselves to other perspectives and engage in debates in order to search for the best solution that also gets enough votes.
"I subject myself to it because I believe in democracy and that we will have a true democracy one day"
well, is always useless to talk someone down on moral ground alone, so I wont argue your belief, maybe one day your dream come true.
"How is it abusing them? The rules are the same for everyone. I just happen to add some more to them and make my case and offer to the population. Either people will agree or not"
because we are talking about racial divisions, when PoC feel, and point out, that many times, the majority (white) use the privilege of being that majority to make rules that benefit them, they are talking about that abuse.
when the two biggest political parties are one that have systematically treated you like a second class citizen, and a party that used to, but now say they are not gonna do that anymore, then obviously you will feel alienated against the system.
PoC want change, and they want to see that change during their life time, they will naturally feel, that casually talking things out is not gonna work.
"Of course there will be resistance but we can decide in what way we chose to overcome it. There are different ways with different pros and cons"
indeed, when slavery was a thing in the US, there was a path to overcome it, the pros was the abolition of slavery, the cons, it was a war, the ends justify the means, and I approve that end.
"Prussia is a very unique story"
that's why I generally don't make comparisons, humanity can be something remarkable.
"Well, my intention was to give an example regarding how laws often have to be interpreted and how it can look things into an status quo although one would think that the law is pretty clear about it"
the US had the jim crow laws until 1965, for black people the feeling of segregation is still a haunting shadow that follows them around the nation
the path of the civil rights movement was filled with protest, disobedience and for some, death, that's what worked then, and for some, is whats necessary now too, so they will continue kicking and screaming until they feel their needs are meet, and if civilization as taught us anything, it is that feeling never comes.
It's only moral decision for insofar that I think that we should be consistent within the set of your principles.
I can't really expect others to follows those rules if I don't do the same. Be the change you want to see and all.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm still not really sure I understand for the following reason:
Assuming I as someone who is white would follow my aforementioned principles I wouldn't expect other to act the same etc. as we already discussed but I in accordance with said principles would go to those POC and listen what they have to say and have a debate. That alone probably wouldn't very satisfactory but that's what I could offer in this hypothetic scenario. I don't see how me listening would be as abuse. Especially if I do this fully expecting that would simply keep doing what they were already doing afterwards.
To me it looks like you meant that it would be abuse to expect them to sit still, wait and do nothing in general and that we just had a little misunderstanding.
I understand those human aspects of it but although I sympathize with that I still see this only resulting in a backlash that has the potential to make thing even more entrenched without achieving much.
Agreed, although I think we have to and should make comparisons in oder to achieve a better understanding of things. A majority of social sciences does nothing but comparing weird things after all.
I understand those factors but I'm also aware of how many lifes the same thing took back then and don't want see history repeat itself again. Especially if the chances are that it will be for naught. That's why additionally looked at Gandhis approach and am more focused about disrupting the cycle as a means to reach those goals.click to expand
"It's only moral decision for insofar that I think that we should be consistent within the set of your principles.
I can't really expect others to follows those rules if I don't do the same. Be the change you want to see and all"
and THAT is why is useless to discuss someone motivations on moral grounds alone, I could easily argue than that's just being stubborn, if the system is not working, and you refuse to change, waiting for one day to achieve "true democracy", then I think you're just being stubborn, but you wont care, and probably shouldnt either.
unless you can prove that such day will arrive, or I could prove that it will never happens, there's no point arguing here.
now, the abuse is not democracy itself, the abuse exist already under democracy, is the system under that democracy was built upon, not all countries have the same kind of democracy, and the US have a nasty past of gerrymandering based on race and other social prejudices, is difficult to talk to people when that people doubt the system that choose you to represent them.
"I sympathize with that I still see this only resulting in a backlash that has the potential to make thing even more entrenched without achieving much"
the backlash is perceived as the resistance of the actual privileged class not wanting to lose such privilege, so for many is already a victory, disregarding your own views.
"Agreed, although I think we have to and should make comparisons in oder to achieve a better understanding of things. A majority of social sciences does nothing but comparing weird things after all"
well I also have my disagreements with "social sciences" so lets not get into that right now
"I understand those factors but I'm also aware of how many lifes the same thing took back then and don't want see history repeat itself again. Especially if the chances are that it will be for naught. That's why additionally looked at Gandhis approach and am more focused about disrupting the cycle as a means to reach those goals"
the ends justify the means, if people didn't protest back them for the fear of falling, then maybe the rights they have now wouldn't never have been conquered, knowing what could and couldn't happen is impossible, and as you believe in your principles, other people believe in theirs, and again, you cant talk them down on moral grounds alone.
Posted by 777
Shut ur retarded redundant a $ $ up.
I don't even recognize your user name.
Keep it pushin
oh? so is your first time with me?
glad I let a strong impression, you will remenber it now
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Not exactly, sir, in nearly every district where you have had significantly gerrymandered districts you also have had *dun, dun, dun* significant and well-documented histories of racialized discrimination and racialized voter suppression. The tactics and aims of the other side (the active resistance to equality and egalitarianism) that I have made mention of time and time again is channelling those racist legacies and sentiments to form and shape tactics limit the backlash of a Trump a monster of their own making.
By the way this election was a blowout for the conservative right...losing a grand total of 35 seats despite their tactics. You haven't had such a swing since Watergate and even then 2018's election blows the last swing out of the water.
Fires you happily keep feeding.
Oh, right I should just forget all about it and kumbaya them to defeat. I'll get right on that.
That's again intentionally misrepresenting what I said, Mr. Trump.
You: You're feeding fires Trumper.
Me: Hrm no I am not here is why I am not according to me, here is the history that underpins the reason why I am not, here is why others have said my line of thinking is not......Here is corroboration from actual current events....
But like I said before yohkay.
Nah, you made the equation
listening to the other side = doing nothing
while I never said that nothing should be done. That's the factor your are misrepresenting.
Listening to the other side on issues of documented racial maltreatment? Tell me what is it that POC are missing here?
Yes, because that's what you do in a democracy.
Hrm okay. How long do POC have to speak then before white majorities validate our pain?
Mind you that King already spoke on this back in the 1960's and by the time that he did the issues facing the black community in the states was several hundred years old.......BLM did as well...so tell me Mr. Kumbaya Democracy Man how long till this democracy actually listens?
Why do white people have to validate someone POCs pain? Pain is Pain.
This also has nothing to do with what democracy is.
I think your democracy is listening and in order to give this tendency the weight it needs to sweep racism aside once and for all you need to start listening as well.
Doesn't have to do with what democracy is? But you just said we have to listen to the other side because its a democracy? Or am I twisting your words again lol? ...and you think my democracy is listening?? Tell me why would they be now?
So your argument is because they aren't listening you don't have to listen as well?
If that is the case you don't the concept of democracy very seriously.
Nope, I am saying that waiting for them to listen on their terms or as you put it "letting them come to you to turn em into allies" is complete bunk, as history and current events has shown.
I didn't say that you should sit there and wait for things to get better on their own.
My point is that a democracy needs dialouge and dialouge implies listening to me.
They may chose not do this. That's something you can't influence but you can decide how you want to be part of this democracy and as a result shape it.
You still say that what they say ist bullshit and that's what it most likely will be but not listening you play into their hands.
Hrm, thing is we always have listened, for most of the history of Blacks in America, black people and POC have had to listen and learn in order to survive here, and I dont mean just our cultures, I mean our physical forms.
Blacks in America know "White America" better than it knows itself.
It is a survival trait. It is only recently that (as a result of Black, Brown and other assorted POC and white allied struggle) that "White America" as a complex is starting to realize that we POC have been listening to them for centuries without them having barely done so...and when they do... its only at the least cost to them.
No, it isn't time for black folk and other POC to listen more at the expense of our lived in truths...It is really time for White America to listen more to POC and take note of the damage they have wrought and continue to do so. The history they have created and live and benefit from even in the present moment.
To be quite honest despite people like Arielle saying that Blacks complaining about racism are racist....Racism in this country and its sustainment is a White sin sustained by White actions and beliefs.
The VAST majority of POC would chuck the entire system out if they could because we know we are getting shafted by it.
Arielle is like those southern rednecks. Pure Trash. Zero logic.click to expand
Bogan*
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You know what I find reallllllly interesting? Aside from the fact that I have had rather gorgeous Chinese gf in the recent past, I have also had more than one east asian lady friend... They loved my huge....co...connnnfidence.
call it the Morehouse Mystique.
Oh so like white people who say they have had a black gf or have black female friends? Mhmm ok.
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They lack emotion I think
That's just a facade
Pay attention & you'll see what's been in front of u this whole time
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You know what I find reallllllly interesting? Aside from the fact that I have had rather gorgeous Chinese gf in the recent past, I have also had more than one east asian lady friend... They loved my huge....co...connnnfidence.
call it the Morehouse Mystique.
Oh so like white people who say they have had a black gf or have black female friends? Mhmm ok.
Actually no Ram. The context is different enough to be a different category of obnoxiousness. For starters me replying to a self-declared "Tibetan" about me being disparaged by Asian people...is defense overall.
I know that generally speaking I have had no issues with them whatsoever and those that I have usually have spoken out of pure ignorance of what Blacks in America are actually like...that isn't trolling but a fact.
Also for your info normally when White people say "but I have black friends" is after they say something racist about black people and they use their "black friends" as a safety blanket. I haven't invoked anything of the sort because I have said nothing racially offensive about asian people if anything I invoked a black stereotype...one that in this case happens to be more true than not.
In this case I am not bringing heat to asians as a group one way or another.
I engaged in some tasteless trolling because it really wasn't worth me busting out my 4 years of chinese language and culture training including a crash course on Sino-African relations to address an obvious troll.
But...if we must so be it.
Yes it is known that East Asians have a documented issue with race in particular dark skinned Africans due to the perversion of them provided by Western media over the decades.click to expand
East Asians have an issue with any other ethnic group that is dark skinned, not just Africans. South Asians, Southeast Asians - if you know well enough about us, then you'd know this by now. Even amongst South Asians racism is obvious. But race is not the only thing that divides Asians. Caste systems, economic status, religion.
In the US I acknowledge that the main (and sometimes only) focus is race, to an obsessive level. But that is not the same around the world.
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Not exactly, sir, in nearly every district where you have had significantly gerrymandered districts you also have had *dun, dun, dun* significant and well-documented histories of racialized discrimination and racialized voter suppression. The tactics and aims of the other side (the active resistance to equality and egalitarianism) that I have made mention of time and time again is channelling those racist legacies and sentiments to form and shape tactics limit the backlash of a Trump a monster of their own making.
By the way this election was a blowout for the conservative right...losing a grand total of 35 seats despite their tactics. You haven't had such a swing since Watergate and even then 2018's election blows the last swing out of the water.
Fires you happily keep feeding.
Oh, right I should just forget all about it and kumbaya them to defeat. I'll get right on that.
That's again intentionally misrepresenting what I said, Mr. Trump.
You: You're feeding fires Trumper.
Me: Hrm no I am not here is why I am not according to me, here is the history that underpins the reason why I am not, here is why others have said my line of thinking is not......Here is corroboration from actual current events....
But like I said before yohkay.
Nah, you made the equation
listening to the other side = doing nothing
while I never said that nothing should be done. That's the factor your are misrepresenting.
Listening to the other side on issues of documented racial maltreatment? Tell me what is it that POC are missing here?
Yes, because that's what you do in a democracy.
Hrm okay. How long do POC have to speak then before white political majorities validate our pain?
Mind you that King already spoke on this back in the 1960's and by the time that he did the issues facing the black community in the states was several hundred years old.......BLM did as well...so tell me Mr. Kumbaya Democracy Man how long till this democracy actually listens?
Wanting the validation of the pain is signs of ignorance and no realistic brain. If this what your seeking from white peoples you never get this. The negro wants something that white peoples can’t give
Hi latecomer,
1. Unless you are black with credentialing, Take the term "negro" outcha mouth.
2. Questions of willing validation is largely rhetorical, hence the conversation in the first place.
3. Firm believer of the concept "If stuck out at sea, pray to God but continue to row to shore.
4. I may want something but I am resolved to not make a want a need.
I am sorry, I am not black man. I am Tibetan living in Peru.
Please, do not ask something of me which you do not give. Always demanding is the black man but never give.
My English is not so good. Excuse is translated not properly
Uh huh you know enough English to know a damned sight better. Like I said take the term negro outcha mouth then. You are not black you have no ownership to that term, period.
I say it for myself tongue in cheek, but I can say it by right of culture and history. You, however, have none of that you have no right to it.
We have nothing to say past that.
I say what I want. You are very sensitive. I don’t think you know what we (Tibetan or Chinese) or in Pero calls you people. Whole world looks bad on black man
@Black-Mamba they hate us cuz they ain't us ^_^
Nobody want to be the black man. Everywhere black man population is turns to poor.click to expand
Whatever race you are ur weak & a bitch. On your own in the wild you'd crumble
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Not exactly, sir, in nearly every district where you have had significantly gerrymandered districts you also have had *dun, dun, dun* significant and well-documented histories of racialized discrimination and racialized voter suppression. The tactics and aims of the other side (the active resistance to equality and egalitarianism) that I have made mention of time and time again is channelling those racist legacies and sentiments to form and shape tactics limit the backlash of a Trump a monster of their own making.
By the way this election was a blowout for the conservative right...losing a grand total of 35 seats despite their tactics. You haven't had such a swing since Watergate and even then 2018's election blows the last swing out of the water.
Fires you happily keep feeding.
Oh, right I should just forget all about it and kumbaya them to defeat. I'll get right on that.
That's again intentionally misrepresenting what I said, Mr. Trump.
You: You're feeding fires Trumper.
Me: Hrm no I am not here is why I am not according to me, here is the history that underpins the reason why I am not, here is why others have said my line of thinking is not......Here is corroboration from actual current events....
But like I said before yohkay.
Nah, you made the equation
listening to the other side = doing nothing
while I never said that nothing should be done. That's the factor your are misrepresenting.
Listening to the other side on issues of documented racial maltreatment? Tell me what is it that POC are missing here?
Yes, because that's what you do in a democracy.
Hrm okay. How long do POC have to speak then before white political majorities validate our pain?
Mind you that King already spoke on this back in the 1960's and by the time that he did the issues facing the black community in the states was several hundred years old.......BLM did as well...so tell me Mr. Kumbaya Democracy Man how long till this democracy actually listens?
Wanting the validation of the pain is signs of ignorance and no realistic brain. If this what your seeking from white peoples you never get this. The negro wants something that white peoples can’t give
Hi latecomer,
1. Unless you are black with credentialing, Take the term "negro" outcha mouth.
2. Questions of willing validation is largely rhetorical, hence the conversation in the first place.
3. Firm believer of the concept "If stuck out at sea, pray to God but continue to row to shore.
4. I may want something but I am resolved to not make a want a need.
I am sorry, I am not black man. I am Tibetan living in Peru.
Please, do not ask something of me which you do not give. Always demanding is the black man but never give.
My English is not so good. Excuse is translated not properly
Uh huh you know enough English to know a damned sight better. Like I said take the term negro outcha mouth then. You are not black you have no ownership to that term, period.
I say it for myself tongue in cheek, but I can say it by right of culture and history. You, however, have none of that you have no right to it.
We have nothing to say past that.
I say what I want. You are very sensitive. I don’t think you know what we (Tibetan or Chinese) or in Pero calls you people. Whole world looks bad on black man
@Black-Mamba they hate us cuz they ain't us ^_^
Nobody want to be the black man. Everywhere black man population is turns to poor.
Whatever race you are ur weak & a bitch. On your own in the wild you'd crumble
I am male.
Maybe you never experience Tibet or Pero? It’s no much of the peopleclick to expand
I don't care what ur talking about.
Whether ur a Male or female it doesn't change the facts, ur still a bitch
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