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Posted by antonlapray
The other thing is... she really doesn't get it...

If it was someone who was a guy, who she didn't have a past emotional connect with? Would that still be inappropriate?


I told her... I don't care if she shares a room; like at a hotel on a trip with friends, with other guys. But I think sharing a bed with any guys is just... unfair. Even if she says its just someone she's friends with. Even if I TRUST that nothing will happen (although yes- accidents happen).


Opinions? If it's just a friend?
Omg. Where are you from?
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Posted by antonlapray
The other thing is... she really doesn't get it...

If it was someone who was a guy, who she didn't have a past emotional connect with? Would that still be inappropriate?


I told her... I don't care if she shares a room; like at a hotel on a trip with friends, with other guys. But I think sharing a bed with any guys is just... unfair. Even if she says its just someone she's friends with. Even if I TRUST that nothing will happen (although yes- accidents happen).


Opinions? If it's just a friend?
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" Is it standard behavior or not to sleep with other people?"

As one Libra girl said we can even discuss if a certain couple can define their own rules.
But before we take the objectives of the whole universe, let's take simply partner's view. like this: "Bottom line is it bothers you".

Posted by Piscis_Hominis
Bottom line is it bothers you...she should respect that, if nothing else. You are not being unreasonable in it bothering you.

If something bothers someone's partner and they don't care then she is not respecting you, and your feelings. That is more important than what the act is.

I'm a Pisces Sun and Moon. Tell her this mutable fish disagrees with her on two counts, your objection being reasonable, and her not respecting your feelings as being a significant issue.

Good luck.

this is a good one.
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Posted by cheekyfaerie
Take the two of you out of the equation and it's still disrespectful. It doesn't just involve the two of you anyway. You don't know this other guy's intentions and neither does she. I don't understand why this is even debateable. If that guy has any ulterior motive AT ALL. Even just an inkling, she's leading him on by inviting him to sleep in her bed. Is she asking for something to happen? No. Not necessarily. I'm not implying that. It does give him hope though. Hope is a dangerous thing.
This has been another point of contention with us outside of this specific scenario. Her response to this would be "well I don't know how he will interpret my behavior so I should not base my actions upon speculating how he will interpret that."

Please tell me what I should say to that because I have no idea how to respond in a way where I feel like... we're on the same wavelength about it. She would view... adjusting her behavior to prevent misinterpretations as preemptive... as manipulative. As not allowing people freedom to interpret her how they will.

And me pointing it out would come across as me trying to change who she is- which I don't want. But I do think... she should understand there's a way to express herself without leaving people... confused. She just says it doesn't matter what they think, which I agree with, but...
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I only read what you asked..so sorry if someone already said this.

Libra Moon.
Point is, you see it as disrespectful therefore, if she respects you, she would try to see your point of view. It's sad that she isn't. Especially if she cares about your relationship. There are a lot of things people can be over dramatic about in my point of view... But having someone in my bed or in my partner's bed is not one of them. I would see that as disrespectful so I see where you are coming from.

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Posted by ImTheRam
Hoo so this thread is about a gf sharing a bed with another man...

Dude come on...this is obviously a realyyy bad idea.

No matter how much i trusted her...no matter how much i respected her...i couldn't simply accept it.

And tbh with you....it's not you that should say "don't do it"...

She is the one that should never allow that.


Knowing that this is something that wold upset you...and still doing it...it is clearly a show of disrespect.

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what the fuck...
This is crazy, it's turned into a whole different argument now. And it's about who is right and who is wrong.
Here's an idea, this FUggHOLE who thinks he's going to be sleeping in the same bed with your girl needs to cancel his flight and fuck off.

Deal with her later
but seriously, why isn't HE all - 'ummm dude is your boyfriend okay with this? I don't want to cause problems in your relationship so Ima just take the couch or book myself a cheap hotel room'...
Like really? Has she had this conversation with him? If they're supposedly tight enough to sleep together then surely they've had this discussion...
(and just for the record, he doesn't get a VOTE either)

Does she honestly think any red blooded male on the planet is crawling into a 'platonic' gal pals bed while she already has a man, and actually has no evil intentions.
If you both single then play on bishes, but paired up? nuh-uh
Bullcrap.

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Aquarius moon and Venus in the US...as much as I love my people friends like I love puppies.....I would never share a bed with a member of the opposite sex who had romantic feelings for me at any time whether I was single or not. You just don't invite that kinda trouble. There are a few rare guys I know that I wouldn't have a problem with it, because those guys are like bros, but we would have to be on a trip or something. Coming to my place? Couch you or couch me.

Now I can't do that at all because my Scorpio BF would take it like a punch to his gut, and if it made my guy feel like that, why insist?
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She's manipulating the situation. She's pulling the "it's different in different cultures" and "controlling" card to make you think the situation's not as bad and so she could sleep with him. If the friend was female, I'd let her sleep in my bed. If the friend is male, I'd make him sleep AT LEAST on the floor next to the bed. We are not sharing the same bed.

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What's your moon OP?

I'm with finbuff on Aries Moon too.
I'm a scorpio moon, and yes she has an aries moon.
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Well.. since you have a scorpio moon..
As an Aries moon, I would think scorpio moons are a tad bit controlling. No offense. But I didn't like the feeling of how i felt like he wanted to tie me down completely. But if i were in that situation, i would still say no to sleeping together regardless of how controlling you "were" in the past. She's just being naive and stubborn. She's either wanting more freedom by sleeping next to him, wants to try something new, or is scheming something. Regardless, don't let her sleep with him.
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PS my Astro specs and culture are irrelevant. I share the same moon as a few people here and my answer clearly stands alone. I simply believe in letting people make their own choices and I make mine. If my partner can't see why something would be offensive I make a choice to stay or bounce. I'm not arguing my points with anyone or going to ask for validation for my feelings about an issue that matters to me. Quite simple for me really.
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*shrugs* I let my ex do this. It was either sleep on her bed or the floor and I didn't see any reason to deny him that. They had also been friends for quite a few years and had already tried the dating thing and it didn't work out. I think it's only 'wrong' to do if your partner is uncomfortable with it and you do it anyway. I'm a rather open and trusting person though. If he had cheated that night, then my thought would have been 'well, it probably would have happened at some point either way, then'.
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Posted by Scenic
*shrugs* I let my ex do this. It was either sleep on her bed or the floor and I didn't see any reason to deny him that. They had also been friends for quite a few years and had already tried the dating thing and it didn't work out. I think it's only 'wrong' to do if your partner is uncomfortable with it and you do it anyway. I'm a rather open and trusting person though. If he had cheated that night, then my thought would have been 'well, it probably would have happened at some point either way, then'.
Pretty much. Making it an issue beforehand when you always have the freedom to leave if something happens makes no sense to me.
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*shrugs* I let my ex do this. It was either sleep on her bed or the floor and I didn't see any reason to deny him that. They had also been friends for quite a few years and had already tried the dating thing and it didn't work out. I think it's only 'wrong' to do if your partner is uncomfortable with it and you do it anyway. I'm a rather open and trusting person though. If he had cheated that night, then my thought would have been 'well, it probably would have happened at some point either way, then'.
He could still have feelings for her. The gf sounds like a tease.
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True and that may be something the OP cares about. Personally I think that would be irrelevant.
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Posted by PotHeadVirgo27
... it's not like if they wanted to have sex and she slept on the floor or in another bed that they wouldn't because they aren't sleeping in the same bed. I mean really if you don't trust her then you shouldn't be having another grown ass man stay the night with your gf, at your house, while you're not even there. So if they can't sleep in the same bed because you feel it would disrespectful, then he shouldn't even be staying at your house at all. Especially when you're not around.


This.
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Yeah, see the people on this last page seem to be viewing it entirely as my girlfriend did, through the lens of trust.

" Nonetheless, it's not like if they wanted to have sex and she slept on the floor or in another bed that they wouldn't because they aren't sleeping in the same bed. I mean really if you don't trust her then you shouldn't be having another grown ass man stay the night with your gf, at your house, while you're not even there. "


" I'm a rather open and trusting person though. If he had cheated that night, then my thought would have been 'well, it probably would have happened at some point either way, then'."

"Pretty much. Making it an issue beforehand when you always have the freedom to leave if something happens makes no sense to me."


See, that's where her and I look at it differently. It's not about what could happen, for me. It's not about whether or not she would cheat.

"It's disrespectful in my eyes. The bedroom is a private place and intimate place."

That's what it's about for me. It's about the intimacy. The way I see it... there are two times when a person is totally vulnerable. 1. when they are shitting 2. when they are sleeping.

To let someone stay in your house is to show a level of trust, yes. To give a stranger access to your roof is... dangerous. Not saying it's wrong or I wouldn't do it. But it's not necessarily a thing to be taken lightly.

To let someone share a room with you while you sleep is to take the trust to a level that reaches an intimacy that I think would generally be reserved for... people who... have earned it. I wouldn't really feel comfortable sharing a room with a total stranger. Someone I knew better, friends and family. I would extend this trust and intimacy to.

To share a bed, where it is realistically guaranteed that you will be touching each other in your sleep. Whether... through spooning. Or just because people move around in their sleep. That is a high level of intimacy to me. That's why I would view it as something that would be reserved for partners, when people have partners.

Besides, most people don't sleep in their daily clothes. They sleep in either less clothes, or no clothes. This creates more intimacy. It's like, I wouldn't think twice about my S.O. embracing another guy. I would feel put off and disrespected by my S.O. full on embracing another guy if she were in a bikini. It's not about thinking she wants to fuck the dude. It's about wanting her to reserve that sort of contact for me, as I would for her.

For me, it's simply a matter of intimacy, not trust. And respect for an intimacy I think should be reserved.
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Posted by antonlapray
See, that's where her and I look at it differently. It's not about what could happen, for me. It's not about whether or not she would cheat. ....It's about the intimacy. The way I see it... there are two times when a person is totally vulnerable. 1. when they are shitting 2. when they are sleeping.

To let someone stay in your house is to show a level of trust, yes. To give a stranger access to your roof is... dangerous. Not saying it's wrong or I wouldn't do it. But it's not necessarily a thing to be taken lightly.

To let someone share a room with you while you sleep is to take the trust to a level that reaches an intimacy that I think would generally be reserved for... people who... have earned it. I wouldn't really feel comfortable sharing a room with a total stranger. Someone I knew better, friends and family. I would extend this trust and intimacy to.

To share a bed, where it is realistically guaranteed that you will be touching each other in your sleep. Whether... through spooning. Or just because people move around in their sleep. That is a high level of intimacy to me. That's why I would view it as something that would be reserved for partners, when people have partners.

Besides, most people don't sleep in their daily clothes. They sleep in either less clothes, or no clothes. This creates more intimacy. It's about wanting her to reserve that sort of contact for me, as I would for her.

For me, it's simply a matter of intimacy, not trust. And respect for an intimacy I think should be reserved.
Right. So then this is about trust and control. I don't have an issue with that, just call it what it is. Your post is a little inconsistent imo. You say it's not about cheating, yet you're writing about "a realistic guarantee you will be touching each other" in their sleep and sleeping in "less to no clothes" at all. Well come on now. If you feel your gf would go to bed with a friend in less to no clothes then clearly simply sleeping in a bed with a friend isn't the issue. If you feel that he would sleep in nothing and she wouldn't be committed and loyal enough to tell him to go f*ck himself for trying something, clearly simply sleeping together isn't the issue. If merely sleeping together suddenly has her riding his peen, then it going to happen, regardless because there was another issue at play. That's the point.

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^^^You say a bedroom isn't reserved for a stranger, but he isn't a stranger from the way I understand it; he's her friend is he not? You even state above (bold) that you would "extent this trust and intimacy" if it's a friend--- Well which is it? It's either okay for a friend, which he is, or it isn't. This is why I'm saying this is about control and trust. You're okay with it being a friend, but you're not okay with it being her friend. Just say so.

To be very clear, I am not trying to convince you that your feelings are wrong. I think that was how my initial post came off as my sarcasm hasn't been translating well lately, so I hid it. The only point of my post(s) is to point out that you're trying to make this about intimacy and whatever else you're trying to throw out there when it really isn't. That okay. Problem is, if you're not gonna call it what it is you can't really address the problem with your girlfriend. Hense the spinning between the two of you.

Also, to be clear I'm not trying to convince you to go against anything that doesn't feel right for you.You asked our views and I'm simply stating how I would view and treat a situation like this. I believe in personal freedom and just as my partner makes a choice about how he is going to treat the relationship, I have the choice to stay or leave. I'm not gonna debate, convince or change anyone's mind. Not my style .

You feel what you feel and I honestly don't get why you felt the need to gain validation for what you're feeling from others. You don't need to do a poll on cultural differences or moon signs. You expressed how you felt to your girlfriend and that should be the end of it if she respects how you feel. Period. If she can't acknowledge that, then you have a choice to make. Bounce or stay. If she cheats, you have a choice to make. Bounce or work it out. I simply don't believe in telling anyone what they can and can not do, lover or otherwise. I express my feeling and concerns and see what someone does with it. If it goes against my values and the good of the relationship, I'm gone.
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See, that's where her and I look at it differently. It's not about what could happen, for me. It's not about whether or not she would cheat. ....It's about the intimacy. The way I see it... there are two times when a person is totally vulnerable. 1. when they are shitting 2. when they are sleeping.

To let someone stay in your house is to show a level of trust, yes. To give a stranger access to your roof is... dangerous. Not saying it's wrong or I wouldn't do it. But it's not necessarily a thing to be taken lightly.

To let someone share a room with you while you sleep is to take the trust to a level that reaches an intimacy that I think would generally be reserved for... people who... have earned it. I wouldn't really feel comfortable sharing a room with a total stranger. Someone I knew better, friends and family. I would extend this trust and intimacy to.

To share a bed, where it is realistically guaranteed that you will be touching each other in your sleep. Whether... through spooning. Or just because people move around in their sleep. That is a high level of intimacy to me. That's why I would view it as something that would be reserved for partners, when people have partners.

Besides, most people don't sleep in their daily clothes. They sleep in either less clothes, or no clothes. This creates more intimacy. It's about wanting her to reserve that sort of contact for me, as I would for her.

For me, it's simply a matter of intimacy, not trust. And respect for an intimacy I think should be reserved.
Right. So then this is about trust and control. I don't have an issue with that, just call it what it is. Your post is a little inconsistent imo. You say it's not about cheating, yet you're writing about "a realistic guarantee you will be touching each other" in their sleep and sleeping in "less to no clothes" at all. Well come on now. If you feel your gf would go to bed with a friend in less to no clothes then clearly simply sleeping in a bed with a friend isn't the issue. If you feel that he would sleep in nothing and she wouldn't be committed and loyal enough to tell him to go f*ck himself for trying something, clearly simply sleeping together isn't the issue. If merely sleeping together suddenly has her riding his peen, then it going to happen, regardless because there was another issue at play. That's the point.

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No, it isn't about trust lmao
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^^^
You say a bedroom isn't reserved for a stranger, but he isn't a stranger from the way I understand it; he's her friend is he not? You even state above (bold) that you would "extent this trust and intimacy" if it's a friend--- Well which is it? It's either okay for a friend, which he is, or it isn't. This is why I'm saying this is about control and trust. You're okay with it being a friend, but you're not okay with it being her friend. Just say so.

To be very clear, I am not trying to convince you that your feelings are wrong. I think that was how my initial post came off as my sarcasm hasn't been translating well lately, so I hid it. The only point of my post(s) is to point out that you're trying to make this about intimacy and whatever else you're trying to throw out there when it really isn't. That okay. Problem is, if you're not gonna call it what it is you can't really address the problem with your girlfriend. Hense the spinning between the two of you.

Also, to be clear I'm not trying to convince you to go against anything that doesn't feel right for you. You asked our views and I'm aimply stating how I would view and treat a situation like this. I believe in personal freedom and just as my partner makes a choice about how he is going to treat the relationship, I have the choice to stay or leave. I'm not gonna debate, convince or change anyone's mind.

You feel what you feel and I honestly don't get why you felt the need to gain validation for what you're feeling from others. You don't need to do a poll on cultural differences or moon signs. You expressed how you felt to your girlfriend and that should be the end of it if she respects how you feel. Period. If she can't acknowledge that, then you have a choice to make. Bounce or stay. If she cheats, you have a choice to make. Bounce or work it out. I simply don't beleive in telling anyone what they can and can not do, lover or otherwise. I express my feeling ans concerns and see what someone does with it. If it goes against my values and the good of the relatiinship, I'm gone.
You really missed the point. He isn't a stranger. My point was that sharing a bed is an intimate thing.
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Naw, we're both missing each other's point. That okay. I'm not important to this equation. How you feel about the situation and what you feel comfortable with is really all that matters at the end of the day, so why are you avoiding that?

You seem more concerned about someone else sharing and supporting your pov when really, who cares if we do or don't. You have to live with your gf and the choice you make, no?





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"The only point of my post(s) is to point out that you're trying to make this about intimacy and whatever else you're trying to throw out there when it really isn't. "

No, It really is about intimacy for me and that's easy for me to prove. Because I wouldn't share a bed with a woman while in a relationship and I fully trust myself to not cheat, and I would have total control over whether I did or not. I wouldn't do it because I would perceive it on trespassing into a territory on intimacy I view as... special and reserved. Like I said.


"You feel what you feel and I honestly don't get why you felt the need to gain validation for what you're feeling from others."

I addressed this in my OP. We both were curious whether or not it was normal to share beds with the opposite sex while in a committed relationship, and whether the view on that varied based upon culture/moon sign. If everyone had completely disagreed with me I would have been equally as fulfilled (albeit not as validated- but that wasn't the point) because the purpose was to find out what the masses think. I could have taken a poll but I wanted to see how people would sincerely react to the situation and polls are boring.

FTR, this wasn't a real scenario that happened between us. It was just a discussion she and I had and we wanted to know what most people thought. When I said "the context is" in the op it's because that's a hypothetical context we were discussing. But it was all part of a bigger philosophical exercise for us.



She of course respects me enough that if I wasn't comfortable with something like that, she wouldn't do it. But she wasn't asking me for permission to do it, so no... I wasn't looking to get my feelings validated, my feelings are fine. btw, she wouldn't have a problem with me sharing a bed with some other woman because she trusts me. I still wouldn't do it. It's not about trust.

I do trust her but I still wouldn't be okay with her doing it. But she wouldn't do it anyway because she knows it would bother me.

I'm not naive or a cuck people, but thanks for the laughs. We both laughed a lot at the replies.


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