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The only think that can delay the ageing process is not (yet) due to science/cosmetic industry, but to the sheer will and determination to keep yourself desirable for the opposite sex!



TRANSLATION: Spread your legs or open your mouth (pick one) so a man will touch me, and hold me or my head down for that 10 minute confirmation of desirability...cuz if I don't, I'll look old and just let my body and myself go.

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You are going it wrong if you hook up for only 10 min! What are you, a street prostitute?
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Women who don't have or don't want a sexual partner usually let themselves go. They get fat, stop shaving their legs, exercise too little or too late, wear baggy clothes, don't use make up, let their teeth rotten. They are bitter, depressed and lonely, which in turns adds bags under their eyes, wrinkles and grey hair. They stop looking in the mirror. Respect for their body goes down the drain.



lol...Pangel is right. You are a fucking idiot.



I could have told you that as well, given the lovely impression she left in the Libra forum.:p

She's got issues. All she does is look down on other woman and acts like she's better than others because she chose to be a doormat housewife type.

Whatever makes her happy.

It's just sad when other women look down and belittle based on SOCIETAL constructs we've ALL been trying to fight against for some time. Fuck those bitches. Just sets the women's movement back a few more decades any time they speak. :/

Posted by size zero superhero
Live & let live IMO.
FWB doesn't guarantee a Disney happily-ever-after; nor will it corrupt every aspect of existence & dignity(not without your consent, anyway).
The general consensus disapproves of no-strings, which I suspect is partially due to a collective perception of one party invariably being used by the one with the upper hand. Yes--sometimes that's the deal--but acting like this topic is absolute, rather than case-sensitive is plain absurd.
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THIS. Sweet Jesus, why doesn't anyone get this?
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All she does is look down on other woman and acts like she's better than others because she chose to be a doormat housewife type.
Whatever makes her happy.



Yea she sound like she is bitter at men and women. Hater of both. Like she got used alot by men and now his a chip over her shoulder about sex. Thinks she is enlightened because being a doormat gets you a husband. Jealous of other women cause they don't have to act that way to get a man to love them because they have more to offer than closing their legs and acting stepford wife. Probably expects men to pay for everything too.

I'm sure she can take that ^ since she seems to think it's fine to rip on everyone else.
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Live & let live IMO.
FWB doesn't guarantee a Disney happily-ever-after; nor will it corrupt every aspect of existence & dignity(not without your consent, anyway).
The general consensus disapproves of no-strings, which I suspect is partially due to a collective perception of one party invariably being used by the one with the upper hand. Yes--sometimes that's the deal--but acting like this topic is absolute, rather than case-sensitive is plain absurd.



THIS. Sweet Jesus, why doesn't anyone get this?



I blame Taylor Swift
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LOL
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Women who don't have or don't want a sexual partner usually let themselves go. They get fat, stop shaving their legs, exercise too little or too late, wear baggy clothes, don't use make up, let their teeth rotten. They are bitter, depressed and lonely, which in turns adds bags under their eyes, wrinkles and grey hair. They stop looking in the mirror. Respect for their body goes down the drain.



lol...Pangel is right. You are a fucking idiot.



I could have told you that as well, given the lovely impression she left in the Libra forum.:p

She's got issues. All she does is look down on other woman and acts like she's better than others because she chose to be a doormat housewife type.

Whatever makes her happy.

It's just sad when other women look down and belittle based on SOCIETAL constructs we've ALL been trying to fight against for some time. Fuck those bitches. Just sets the women's movement back a few more decades any time they speak. :/

Posted by size zero superhero
Live & let live IMO.
FWB doesn't guarantee a Disney happily-ever-after; nor will it corrupt every aspect of existence & dignity(not without your consent, anyway).
The general consensus disapproves of no-strings, which I suspect is partially due to a collective perception of one party invariably being used by the one with the upper hand. Yes--sometimes that's the deal--but acting like this topic is absolute, rather than case-sensitive is plain absurd.



THIS. Sweet Jesus, why doesn't anyone get this?
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P Angel is indeed a frustrated housewife.

You probably are one as well. Envious of career women like me. Don't worry honey! You don't need a PhD in science to do FWB!
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All she does is look down on other woman and acts like she's better than others because she chose to be a doormat housewife type.
Whatever makes her happy.

"Yea she sound like she is bitter at men and women. Hater of both. Like she got used alot by men and now his a chip over her shoulder about sex. Thinks she is enlightened because being a doormat gets you a husband. Jealous of other women cause they don't have to act that way to get a man to love them because they have more to offer than closing their legs and acting stepford wife. Probably expects men to pay for everything too."





I think you are talking about P-Angel here! Radioicecream was having a go at me in the fragment you cited . So did LetItBe, after I explained why FWB has positive effects.
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BZW, there is nothing offensive to say women let themselves go! You just have to go shopping and look around to see what I mean. One could even guess who's sexually active and who isn't, just by their look.

What I found offensive on this thread, was the suggestion that women fall in love (and potentially make a fool of themselves) simply because they had sex and therefore, they should avoid FWB! I disagree.

It takes far more than sex for the average woman to fall in love! Even if it (love!) happens, a real woman would know how to deal with it! With elegance.
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Live & let live IMO.
FWB doesn't guarantee a Disney happily-ever-after; nor will it corrupt every aspect of existence & dignity(not without your consent, anyway).
The general consensus disapproves of no-strings, which I suspect is partially due to a collective perception of one party invariably being used by the one with the upper hand. Yes--sometimes that's the deal--but acting like this topic is absolute, rather than case-sensitive is plain absurd.



THIS. Sweet Jesus, why doesn't anyone get this?



I blame Taylor Swift
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I blame her for war in the middle east too.
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I think you are talking about P-Angel here! Radioicecream was having a go at me in the fragment you cited . So did LetItBe, after I explained why FWB has positive effects.




If you are so proud of fucking three different men (in your own words) in a FWB, why are you being so defensive and attempting to justify it then? Makes no sense at all.
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Being defensive AND attempting to justify it? YOU don't make any sense at all 🙂. Read what I said, don't invent it.
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Why is that the women who are against FWB are bitter, venom spitting rags, while those who have practiced it (at least once) are fun, confident and smart 🙂?




Because women who are not whore's are assumed by the type of scum bags you fuck to be just like the whore he tissue cleaned himself off with and attempt to approach for the same deed. It's insulting really. Although I find humor in it and will laugh in their faces. Hence why they keep using women like you..because stupidity, low self respect & esteem is their specialty..and it's FREE.

I'm quite smart, confident and very fun to be with. I don't need my twat to speak for that...at all.

So pardon my venom, but I'm tired of cleaning up your fucking mess and having to keep sending these low lifes back in your direction.
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I had a FWB for certain reasons and enjoyed it. That is why I recommend it for people in a similar situation.

What is your personal motivation to speak against it? Had one and got burned? Want one, but no takers?

What options do you offer, to people who don't like celibacy, yet cannot engage in a long term relationship just yet?

Take a honest look at yourself and inside yourself and come back when you can answer these questions.
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I had a FWB for certain reasons and enjoyed it. That is why I recommend it for people in a similar situation.

What is your personal motivation to speak against it? Had one and got burned? Want one, but no takers?

What options do you offer, to people who don't like celibacy, yet cannot engage in a long term relationship just yet?

Take a honest look at yourself and inside yourself and come back when you can answer these questions.



You have stated quite clearly throughout dxp what those reasons for proudly being in FWB were.

I just told you what my personal motivation (venom..whatever you choose to call it) was and having to send scum bags back to your direction. I would never just spread my legs or open wide for anyone I'm not in a relationship with..so the answer is no I didn't have one or get burned by one, nor want one. I have way too much class and self respect for that. I look at myself in the mirror everyday, I sleep really well, my response to FWB remains and will continue to be the same. If you are so damn proud of it, my suggestions shouldn't bring on such a negative and defensive reaction. So in reality you are not proud of what you are. Maybe you should ask yourself why. Ya think?
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It's because of these types of women (with no morals) that men continue to believe it's ok to treat a woman like his personal whore.



This viewpoint assumes FWB & mutual gain cannot coincide, as though the incentive is purely one-sided in favor of male advantage & in turn the woman's detriment.
While that's a known risk, best taken into consideration in advance, the "beneficial" component is meant to function as a 2-way-street. Whether or not it operates as such falls on the individuals involved, particularly concerning each party's respective approach.

From observation, the most common source of no strings-disasters stem from unspoken, unsubstantiated expectations(of FWB ultimately morphing into a full-fledged relationship, etc). When one or both involved are dishonest about their motives and/or have further objectives they're misguidedly attempting to reach through sex, that's where the problems begin.

As for men that see women as chattel, or women believe men are automatically entitled to their bodies by virtue of their maleness--these issues are strictly personal in nature. Those involved in FWB for the aspect of mutual enjoyment certainly aren't feeding into the problem of gender inequity on a universal spectrum.
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So what was YOUR experience?
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There is always going to be gender inequality....like it or not, it is ridiculous of course, but men are not going to respect *throw away* women which ever way it is perceived....i spoke to two guys recently who told me *it doesnt mean anything* when i asked them about the fwb thing. one of the said that he did eventually lose respect for the girl for having sex with him rather than just friendship

go figure ladies? 😉

men are simple creatures but they need at the end of the day to respect women, not fuck them and then discard them

it has always been that way....always will be




If you are looking for sex but have no partner at the moment, try FWB.

If you are looking for "meaning", "respect" and similar stuff, try helping the homeless!
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Posted by starlover
There is always going to be gender inequality....like it or not, it is ridiculous of course, but men are not going to respect *throw away* women which ever way it is perceived....i spoke to two guys recently who told me *it doesnt mean anything* when i asked them about the fwb thing. one of the said that he did eventually lose respect for the girl for having sex with him rather than just friendship

go figure ladies? 😉

men are simple creatures but they need at the end of the day to respect women, not fuck them and then discard them

it has always been that way....always will be



Yes, inequality is an ever-present force in society. But FWB in itself isn't directly indicative of one's respect(or lack thereof)for the opposite gender.
A key component of the problem here is that unlike men, women are raised & conditioned to view their sexuality as something that must be guarded & locked away, because sexual purity supposedly ties in with our value as humans.
While men are high-fived for acting on physical urge as much as opportunity allows, women are scorned for engaging in sex outside the confines of exclusivity.
It isn't so much that sex innately leads women to feel badly about themselves after the fact, or comes at the price of self-respect. Moreso, from an early age, society & upbringing convinces girls that sexual behavior is a reflection of their integrity, and all deviation suggests a profound lack thereof.

To summarize, the key distinction between males & females relative to sexuality is that the former is TAUGHT to feel devalued by sex if it isn't precluded by love & commitment.

"That's just the way things are" is oversimplification, and accepting it without further question or analysis only keeps said double-standards relevant.
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+1

Although I would like to add that what goes on in the bedroom, stays in the bedroom. Society is out of it, lol.

How real, mature women think about sex depends largely on what they've experienced.
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Consider this song



tsk tsk tsk... SMH Hello? Anybody home??


I cannot remember exactly where I read it, but someone talked about it being ""ok" to engage in the
FWB life style and that some do so until they can find the right person to settle down with. 🙂 "

That philosophy sounds like:

It's ok to shop around for a car, take it for test drive, then move on to the next dealer
and repeat the process all over again.

The interpretation of what I just said is that the mindset behind FWB, casual sex, cohabitation and
the like, is no different than treating another human being as though he or she is nothing more
than a car or a pair of trendy shoes.




Hmmm.....I actually thought he was a good fuck 🙂!
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So what was YOUR experience?



Varied.
I've dealt with one instance of FWB-gone-wrong, when I hooked up with a friend on a few occasions. He expected a subsequent relationship, asked me to be his girlfriend. I declined the offer and ceased involvement upon realizing he wanted more. As it turned out, he'd recently hooked up with other girls, but ultimately wanted to be with me.
At that juncture I wasn't in any position for relationships(due to the demand of school & work)which I initially let him know. More significantly, his lack of "boyfriend potential" grew increasingly evident over time.

The first time I stated I wasn't interested in a relationship, he didn't take it well. The second time, he flipped out & threw an adult tantrum; shocked that I wasn't elated over the fact he found me worthy enough to offer his commitment. After that episode I cut his immature, entitled @ $ $ off for good.

Beyond that, my other FWB experiences came & went(no pun intended 🙂)yet managed to end on civil terms, wherein the "friendship" aspect eventually resumed after the benefits came to a halt.
(I'm summarizing here--sometimes things were "weird" between us directly after the fact--but only temporarily.)

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Thank you for sharing! I am divorced and left my FWB about one year ago, when I was ready to date again. Met someone and started a committed relationship. It proved to be the biggest disappointment of my life (well...it feels like that, because it's recent and I'm still hurting).

Who was my biggest help in need? My former FWB. We are not even having sex this time around (he's got a girlfriend in the mean time and I'm dating again). Yet he started texting me everyday and makes me laugh with jokes and banter. I'm not worried about him wanting to be with me, like in your case. He is a Sag, I have Sag rising and we just get on well together.
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Posted by Undine
Another reason why some women are against FWB....they are ageing prostitutes losing their clients!

Is this the case with you, LetItBe?

In this case, I would recommend a job change. It wasn't supposed to be a lifelong career anyway, wasn't it 🙂?




Undine, now I realize you've had your brains fucked out senseless, and your personal problems stem from your upbringing, the Libra husband who dumped you, the Capricorn who dumped you for an Aqua, and the rest of the unfortunate list of abandonment/daddy issues you have going on, but I really do get why women behave as you do with the FWB bullshit.

It's women like you and those who missed out on an education in self love, self respect, and a huge amount of praise not given when deserved as a child, for the most part because the parenting you were subjected to failed miserably. Hell, you even shared how your parents threw you away for five years. I get it..I really do. The problem is YOU DON'T. Instead of seeking the help you are entitled to, you remain in denial of your social issues, and play victim.

Women who desperately do what you do have abandonment issues, trust issues, relationship issues and instead of figuring out how to fix that problem you decide to continue to seek this type of abuse by men who are more than willing to help you out with the guise that you are in control. No different than anorexia, bulimia, etc.. Once you get to the point where you are all used up or dead from a disease, or some whack job. If any of those don't happen it will be a better yet a younger fresher fucked up woman who comes along..you are right back to that place where you were dumped and abandoned in the first place. ALONE..and even worse off. FWB is epic failure.

For me as a woman it disgusts me that some fellow females do this to themselves while at the same time feel they can represent the female population. I'm here to let you and women like you know YOU DON'T REPRESENT ME or who I am. I will continue to do that. What's even more pathetic is that the women who think for one moment this is a womens movement type of action or a command for respect from men is just laughable. Yes..they are laughing at you. They aren't fucking prostitutes because they respect them more than they do women like you. That alone speaks volumes. Men know they can pay top dollar to get exactly what the
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they want professionally with no problems no bullshit. Men also know how to play the game you think you are pulling on them..you know..the I'm a powerful in control slut game..it's cheaper, it's a game..probably not as good..but they get what they want and move on..for free. Then the almighty control slut is now a victim. It's always the same story, and it really is getting old. These forums are full of it..all social media outlets are full of it, yet you dimwits still don't get it.

Prostitution is the oldest profession..haven't you heard? I suggest you ask them if you are hurting their business, they could use a good laugh too. Maybe they can throw you some pointers regarding what control really means. Giving yourself up on a platter for free to every man who asks is not control, I don't care how elegant and divine you try to make out to be.

Don't piss on everyone's leg and tell them it's raining dear..you are a lost soul among many here and that is very clear. When you take the time to figure that out and fix it you'll get what some of us are saying here. Treat yourself as you were treated as a child and play victim..or do something about it.
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Yes, inequality is an ever-present force in society. But FWB in itself isn't directly indicative of one's respect(or lack thereof)for the opposite gender.
A key component of the problem here is that unlike men, women are raised & conditioned to view their sexuality as something that must be guarded & locked away, because sexual purity supposedly ties in with our value as humans.
While men are high-fived for acting on physical urge as much as opportunity allows, women are scorned for engaging in sex outside the confines of exclusivity.
It isn't so much that sex innately leads women to feel badly about themselves after the fact, or comes at the price of self-respect. Moreso, from an early age, society & upbringing convinces girls that sexual behavior is a reflection of their integrity, and all deviation suggests a profound lack thereof.

To summarize, the key distinction between males & females relative to sexuality is that the former is TAUGHT to feel devalued by sex if it isn't precluded by love & commitment.

"That's just the way things are" is oversimplification, and accepting it without further question or analysis only keeps said double-standards relevant.



^^^and right there would be that horseshit I speak of. lol..give me a break.
My upbringing was NOT to put my sexuality under lock and key or to feel bad about myself lol...(seriously??) It was to respect it, make choices wisely and to accept responsibility for those choices. I am refuse to be a victim and I refuse to accept disrespect from men.

Friends with benefits and "engaging in sex outside the confines of exclusivity" are quite different, don't even try to mix the two. That's why you have women like me here to set that record straight.

Nice try though.
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Posted by duchessedenemours
Women (and all people for that matter) should be aware of their own boundaries. If you can handle casual sex without repercussions then that's fine. It's when people allows themselves to go past their own boundaries that people get hurt. Know yourself.

And calling women whores doesn't help anyone and only breeds more negativity in yourself.




You misunderstood. I respect whores and prostitutes. It's women who act like sluts and give it up for free that disgust me. I feel no negativity in myself saying it at all either. Thanks for your concern though.😢
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Posted by Undine

+1

Although I would like to add that what goes on in the bedroom, stays in the bedroom. Society is out of it, lol.

How real, mature women think about sex depends largely on what they've experienced.




More bullshit and hypocrisy ^^^

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When he's about to cum, hold your breath, take his cock deeper into your mouth and let him finish into your throat. I did it to my Aqua F-buddy. A few weeks later, I had to dump him, because he's fallen in love and I could not reciprocate his feelings.



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LOL! I just had sex with my Sagittarius longterm FWB one hour ago......



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FWB is not about getting an orgasm.
It is about the whole experience.
...including the whore experience 🙂.
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I guess social media is an exception.. Like I said, I get it..this is you trying to convince yourself. Real women don't have to do that.
Denial sucks ass.
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Just for information.

My parents weren't the best I could have wished for. Yet they never "threw me out". In fact, my parents ensured that I've got the best high education.

My Libra husband didn't leave me. I left him to pursue my career in a different country and never came back.

The Cap didn't "leave" me, he never had me. We only went on three dates last year. I don't even think about him.

Yes, there was a man who broke my heart, an Aqua, but he was the one I wanted to spend my life with, not a casual relationship.

The FWB which I had with the Sag was enjoyable and I would recommend a similar relationship to anyone who is interested.
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Posted by Undine

+1

Although I would like to add that what goes on in the bedroom, stays in the bedroom. Society is out of it, lol.

How real, mature women think about sex depends largely on what they've experienced.




More bullshit and hypocrisy ^^^

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When he's about to cum, hold your breath, take his cock deeper into your mouth and let him finish into your throat. I did it to my Aqua F-buddy. A few weeks later, I had to dump him, because he's fallen in love and I could not reciprocate his feelings.



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LOL! I just had sex with my Sagittarius longterm FWB one hour ago......



Posted by Undine

FWB is not about getting an orgasm.
It is about the whole experience.
...including the whore experience 🙂.



I guess social media is an exception.. Like I said, I get it..this is you trying to convince yourself. Real women don't have to do that.
Denial sucks ass.
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LOL, now I know why my "view count" went up during the past few hours. Yes, I do enjoy sex, no secret about it 😉!
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^^^and right there would be that horseshit I speak of. lol..give me a break.
My upbringing was NOT to put my sexuality under lock and key or to feel bad about myself lol...(seriously??) It was to respect it, make choices wisely and to accept responsibility for those choices. I am refuse to be a victim and I refuse to accept disrespect from men.

Friends with benefits and "engaging in sex outside the confines of exclusivity" are quite different, don't even try to mix the two. That's why you have women like me here to set that record straight.

Nice try though.



Your conflation of FWB & inherent disrespect strongly suggests otherwise.
Additionally, how is friends with benefits not considered sex independent of an official relationship? I suppose it differs from a one-nighter in terms of regularity, however, the overlap is fairly obvious IMO.
Where is it set in stone, that all sexual activity taking place outside of relationships spawn from low self-esteem and recklessness? Women who do, or have done so are HARDLY victims of male opportunism.
The implication you're clinging to here is that women cannot possibly enjoy sex for it's own sake, nor exercise selection in their choice of FWB partners; as though the sole means of avoiding disrespect & victimhood as a woman is through commitment. Um...


In instances where a man(or anyone for that matter)is disrespectful in any sense of the meaning, why engage them at all, let alone entertain the idea of sex?
Furthermore your apparent perception that sex sans-commitment as automatically disrespectful, without considering any other factors, speaks volumes.
There is no inherent exploitation to speak of in FWB, given the benefits are mutual.
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Nope..you missed the boat on my point. You're a Libra..no time for you.