Ugh!

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Okay, first of all.. I'm a Capricorn sun / Leo moon / Taurus ascending and Scorpio in Mars.

I tend to attract Scorpios like magnets. I don't even try.

But I DO NOT UNDERSTAND Scorpios! Why so damn subtle?! I'm a true Capricorn. I don't even know what "subtle" means.

I met this girl last summer. We started becoming friends. Maybe even close friends. I really do like her, as a friend. JUST FRIENDS. Maybe even like a sister, maybe.

Anyway, last December I started seeing someone else. I guess she got hurt and her jealousy kicked in. She starts avoiding me. And coming up with really lame (obvious) excuses. She even suspends her FB with some (obviously) lame reason.

As I start piecing the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together, I start to realize that her feelings for me must have gone beyond friends. Before this conclusion, I was still texting her and noticing she started becoming more distant and sometimes would take a week to press. Sometimes not at all. She'd be civil, but distant and obviously avoiding me.

Fine. I get it now.

But OMG!! I DO NOT UNDERSTAND SUBTLE!! If you don't say it, I don't know. How the hell was I supposed to know?!?

So now I'm frustrated that it seems I'm down a good friend now. She's avoiding me. And frankly, if she is falling for me... don't. If she needs to away from me then do it because I do want a good friend, I don't want more. And I have come to the conclusion I can't really handle relationships right now anyway (I broke it off with the other person).

Yes, I know.. don't contact her. I'm not.

Yes, I know.. move on. I am trying. I'm just annoyed and venting. Stop with the subtle crap. Us Capricorns can't understand it. Even if you have a sign up saying "I'm falling for you", I won't get it unless you explicitly tell me. It sucks because she was really cool and I did like her.... just... not romantically. And how was I supposed to know what was going on?!
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When I was ~13, I thought that I could convey my crushes on guys telepathically to them. After I discovered that didn't tend to work, lol, I started to be direct. I have no regrets, looking back -- anyone I was really interested in was informed.

It can be tough when you have romantic feelings for a friend and you aren't sure if you should risk telling them or not, but that isn't good that she handled her hurt by distancing and not telling you why.

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Posted by CapSunLeoMoon71

I have to play "detective" to figure this crap out


you dont have to do anything you dont wanna do.

why are you so hung up about it anyway? seems like you just miss the attention she gave you

#leomoonproblems
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1) I do miss the friendship

2) Due to prior trauma issues I'm super hyper-sensitive about people getting hurt. I take it quite personally. It really bothers me she's hurt. I feel responsible. But... I'm not. Because there was no way for me to know. But it's upsetting to me to know someone got hurt. I take it incredibly hard that idea.
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Posted by dilettante

Posted by CapSunLeoMoon71

I have to play "detective" to figure this crap out


you dont have to do anything you dont wanna do.

why are you so hung up about it anyway? seems like you just miss the attention she gave you

#leomoonproblems


cause we love our friends and hate losing them

its fuked up how people use us

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Exactly. Thank you. I already have severe abandonment issues from my past. But I try to be careful not to lay that on anybody, since I deal with it myself. But it really stings the idea of losing yet another friend. One that I cared about too.

It reminds me not to bother making friends and not to let anybody get close to me if they're just going to leave or get hurt anyway.
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Posted by CapSunLeoMoon71

Posted by dilettante

Posted by CapSunLeoMoon71

I have to play "detective" to figure this crap out


you dont have to do anything you dont wanna do.

why are you so hung up about it anyway? seems like you just miss the attention she gave you

#leomoonproblems


1) I do miss the friendship

2) Due to prior trauma issues I'm super hyper-sensitive about people getting hurt. I take it quite personally. It really bothers me she's hurt. I feel responsible. But... I'm not. Because there was no way for me to know. But it's upsetting to me to know someone got hurt. I take it incredibly hard that idea.


imo, she doesnt really have to tell you anything. distancing herself is self protection. if she knew she was developing feelings for you & she knows you only see her as a friend, why would she put herself thru an agonizing convo about it?

maybe in her mind she doesnt feel the need to talk about it bc & she knows what the result would be. so, to spare hearing hurtful words, she distances herself.
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As I said in the initial post, I get it. It's called "venting". I am venting my frustration at potentially losing a friend. Did you miss that part?
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Posted by dilettante

Posted by CapSunLeoMoon71

I have to play "detective" to figure this crap out


you dont have to do anything you dont wanna do.

why are you so hung up about it anyway? seems like you just miss the attention she gave you

#leomoonproblems


cause we love our friends and hate losing them

its fuked up how people use us




Exactly. Thank you. I already have severe abandonment issues from my past. But I try to be careful not to lay that on anybody, since I deal with it myself. But it really stings the idea of losing yet another friend. One that I cared about too.

It reminds me not to bother making friends and not to let anybody get close to me if they're just going to leave or get hurt anyway.
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I value friendship highly too, so I think that I can understand how you feel. I really hope that it won't stop you from forming new friendships. Maybe looking back you can see signs of her not handling emotional things in a mature way?

I think it's destructively wrong to cut a good friend off like that without explaining why, UNLESS the friend has done something truly horrible that shatters trust.

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Posted by CopperDove

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Posted by dilettante

Posted by CapSunLeoMoon71

I have to play "detective" to figure this crap out


you dont have to do anything you dont wanna do.

why are you so hung up about it anyway? seems like you just miss the attention she gave you

#leomoonproblems


cause we love our friends and hate losing them

its fuked up how people use us




Exactly. Thank you. I already have severe abandonment issues from my past. But I try to be careful not to lay that on anybody, since I deal with it myself. But it really stings the idea of losing yet another friend. One that I cared about too.

It reminds me not to bother making friends and not to let anybody get close to me if they're just going to leave or get hurt anyway.


I value friendship highly too, so I think that I can understand how you feel. I really hope that it won't stop you from forming new friendships. Maybe looking back you can see signs of her not handling emotional things in a mature way?

I think it's destructively wrong to cut a good friend off like that without explaining why, UNLESS the friend has done something truly horrible that shatters trust.



Yeah like really !

kick me while I’m doing when I tell you I can’t speak to you cuz I love you n the response is yeah I don’t love. Mmm no I’m not putting myself in that conversation lol
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I didn't kick her. I got the incredibly subtle vibe, and I'm leaving her alone... free to sort out whatever she needs. And if she doesn't come back, so be it. I know that's a realistic possibility.

But in the mean time just venting my frustration on here. It's sad to see so many people here lacking empathy.

Yes, I do have empathy for her. I know she's hurt. I get it. I'm not bothering her, harassing her, or even contacting her. And I do feel bad she's hurt because of my empathy.

But it still stings. And hence my venting on here. Not to her. So, I'm not kicking anybody. Although the lack of empathy on here is incredible. And I thought Capricorn was supposed to be the cold sign.
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Posted by CopperDove

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Posted by dilettante

Posted by CapSunLeoMoon71

I have to play "detective" to figure this crap out


you dont have to do anything you dont wanna do.

why are you so hung up about it anyway? seems like you just miss the attention she gave you

#leomoonproblems


cause we love our friends and hate losing them

its fuked up how people use us




Exactly. Thank you. I already have severe abandonment issues from my past. But I try to be careful not to lay that on anybody, since I deal with it myself. But it really stings the idea of losing yet another friend. One that I cared about too.

It reminds me not to bother making friends and not to let anybody get close to me if they're just going to leave or get hurt anyway.


I value friendship highly too, so I think that I can understand how you feel. I really hope that it won't stop you from forming new friendships. Maybe looking back you can see signs of her not handling emotional things in a mature way?

I think it's destructively wrong to cut a good friend off like that without explaining why, UNLESS the friend has done something truly horrible that shatters trust.



Yeah like really !

kick me while I’m doing when I tell you I can’t speak to you cuz I love you n the response is yeah I don’t love. Mmm no I’m not putting myself in that conversation lol
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Probably she had romantic feelings for him for a while, and stayed in the friendship hoping for more, never stating that she wanted more. It's a common mistake that many people make that ends up being painful on both sides usually. So, being open about feelings/interest should have happened long before, then she would have found out that he only wanted friendship and that would hurt but that's the way it is sometimes, and then both of them would know each other's side of that and ending contact would make sense, no sleuthing needed.

It can be scary to tell someone that you have feelings for them, for sure, but I make myself do it to avoid situations like this. Am I scared when I have done it? Totally, lol. But I make myself do it.
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Posted by dilettante

Posted by CapSunLeoMoon71

I have to play "detective" to figure this crap out


you dont have to do anything you dont wanna do.

why are you so hung up about it anyway? seems like you just miss the attention she gave you

#leomoonproblems


cause we love our friends and hate losing them

its fuked up how people use us




Exactly. Thank you. I already have severe abandonment issues from my past. But I try to be careful not to lay that on anybody, since I deal with it myself. But it really stings the idea of losing yet another friend. One that I cared about too.

It reminds me not to bother making friends and not to let anybody get close to me if they're just going to leave or get hurt anyway.


I value friendship highly too, so I think that I can understand how you feel. I really hope that it won't stop you from forming new friendships. Maybe looking back you can see signs of her not handling emotional things in a mature way?

I think it's destructively wrong to cut a good friend off like that without explaining why, UNLESS the friend has done something truly horrible that shatters trust.



Yeah like really !

kick me while I’m doing when I tell you I can’t speak to you cuz I love you n the response is yeah I don’t love. Mmm no I’m not putting myself in that conversation lol


Probably she had romantic feelings for him for a while, and stayed in the friendship hoping for more, never stating that she wanted more. It's a common mistake that many people make that ends up being painful on both sides usually. So, being open about feelings/interest should have happened long before, then she would have found out that he only wanted friendship and that would hurt but that's the way it is sometimes, and then both of them would know each other's side of that and ending contact would make sense, no sleuthing needed.

It can be scary to tell someone that you have feelings for them, for sure, but I make myself do it to avoid situations like this. Am I scared when I have done it? Totally, lol. But I make myself do it.
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I told her day one I met her that I'm a bisexual male with a strong preference for men and have only been with men. I even mentioned it several times. That's why it's even more frustrating.
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Posted by dilettante

Posted by CapSunLeoMoon71

I have to play "detective" to figure this crap out


you dont have to do anything you dont wanna do.

why are you so hung up about it anyway? seems like you just miss the attention she gave you

#leomoonproblems


cause we love our friends and hate losing them

its fuked up how people use us




Exactly. Thank you. I already have severe abandonment issues from my past. But I try to be careful not to lay that on anybody, since I deal with it myself. But it really stings the idea of losing yet another friend. One that I cared about too.

It reminds me not to bother making friends and not to let anybody get close to me if they're just going to leave or get hurt anyway.


I value friendship highly too, so I think that I can understand how you feel. I really hope that it won't stop you from forming new friendships. Maybe looking back you can see signs of her not handling emotional things in a mature way?

I think it's destructively wrong to cut a good friend off like that without explaining why, UNLESS the friend has done something truly horrible that shatters trust.



Yeah like really !

kick me while I’m doing when I tell you I can’t speak to you cuz I love you n the response is yeah I don’t love. Mmm no I’m not putting myself in that conversation lol


Probably she had romantic feelings for him for a while, and stayed in the friendship hoping for more, never stating that she wanted more. It's a common mistake that many people make that ends up being painful on both sides usually. So, being open about feelings/interest should have happened long before, then she would have found out that he only wanted friendship and that would hurt but that's the way it is sometimes, and then both of them would know each other's side of that and ending contact would make sense, no sleuthing needed.

It can be scary to tell someone that you have feelings for them, for sure, but I make myself do it to avoid situations like this. Am I scared when I have done it? Totally, lol. But I make myself do it.


I told her day one I met her that I'm a bisexual male with a strong preference for men and have only been with men. I even mentioned it several times. That's why it's even more frustrating.
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It's definitely a tough situation to be in, I can understand. And, if she is upset at you about something else, she should had addressed that directly, IMO.
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Why don't you just ask her why she becane so distant and make an effort to start the conversation, that you want to have, yourself?


Because I am clearly picking up signals she's hurt, and uncomfortable around me, and not really talking to me... and being mindful of her feelings I'm trying to respect her space and leave her alone. Clearly she wants to be left alone, so.. okay. I'll do that. I figure if I don't, I'll just be making the situation worse. Because what I understand of Scorpios, when they're hurt and withdrawn it's better just to leave them alone and let them have their space. At least, that's what I keep hearing.

And I have no illusions I might not hear from her again, depending on if she can get over things or not.

But, it sucks.
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Why don't you just ask her why she becane so distant and make an effort to start the conversation, that you want to have, yourself?


Because I am clearly picking up signals she's hurt, and uncomfortable around me, and not really talking to me... and being mindful of her feelings I'm trying to respect her space and leave her alone. Clearly she wants to be left alone, so.. okay. I'll do that. I figure if I don't, I'll just be making the situation worse. Because what I understand of Scorpios, when they're hurt and withdrawn it's better just to leave them alone and let them have their space. At least, that's what I keep hearing.

And I have no illusions I might not hear from her again, depending on if she can get over things or not.

But, it sucks.
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Okay.

Just seems like in this situation you are the subtle one, meaning you are picking up on a bunch of stuff, instead of being the direct one and just ask.

I personally would like it if a person tried to talk about things, it would make me feel cares for, although maybe not in the way I wanted, but still. And that would make things easier. 🤷🏼‍♀️
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Posted by starlord

Why don't you just ask her why she becane so distant and make an effort to start the conversation, that you want to have, yourself?


Because I am clearly picking up signals she's hurt, and uncomfortable around me, and not really talking to me... and being mindful of her feelings I'm trying to respect her space and leave her alone. Clearly she wants to be left alone, so.. okay. I'll do that. I figure if I don't, I'll just be making the situation worse. Because what I understand of Scorpios, when they're hurt and withdrawn it's better just to leave them alone and let them have their space. At least, that's what I keep hearing.

And I have no illusions I might not hear from her again, depending on if she can get over things or not.

But, it sucks.
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She will deal with her feelings in her own time. But If you really care and you are concerned about it, will be more easy to contact her and ask directly how she is..Scorpio people are usually very direct