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Why do Virgos end friendships without telling the person they ended it when the person did no wrong?
were you close friends?
To the point to where we were confidants.


Weird, maybe they think you've done something shady and are being petty because "you probably know what you've done"
I see. Even though that's not the case, if it were..it's sad. Takes a lot of effort to build something to where you're confidants and have 100% trust in each other...only to have to have it broken by what most likely amounts to a perception problem and not actual reality.

I'm not laying situations like these at Virgos feet because every sign does it. But if we're being fair and honest here, every sign simply has a different version of the same issue.


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Thanks and it's ok 🙂 I heal in time and maybe get some answers.

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1. trust =/= detachment

2. private =/= detachment

3. we don't drop hints because we don't get hints

3. we do apologize, but only when we're wrong. AKA once in a blue moon

(earthy-watery virgo)


This is so much like me in relationship lol. Guess its my virgo venus. I had a question tho, can two Virgo suns who are very similar, be happy together in long run??

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Never tried it, but not a strong believer in two people with the same sun sign dating...
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So curious thing and it happened to pertain to this point:

Posted by startwars
1. trust =/= detachment

well one thing y'all should know is that if a virgo truly loves you then that means they'll trust you with everything

we trust you and our relationship

Talking to a Virgo yesterday and she was talking about a situation and she made reference to her partner staring at "what he's interested in...tits and a**" and she made a point of telling him to stop after asking him "what the hell are you doing?"

So I "innocently" ask why it was such a big deal that he stare at some "tits and a**? She says "because if you look, you're gonna touch"

Hmph. That isn't very "logical" or trusting 😄.

Anyway, as we explored it further, come to find out he was a cheating dirt bag, he had cheated in the past and her insecurities were based on past experience.

I wanted to be able to say a Virgo was wrong, but alas.....until the next time.
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1. trust =/= detachment

2. private =/= detachment

3. we don't drop hints because we don't get hints

3. we do apologize, but only when we're wrong. AKA once in a blue moon

(earthy-watery virgo)


This is so much like me in relationship lol. Guess its my virgo venus. I had a question tho, can two Virgo suns who are very similar, be happy together in long run??


Never tried it, but not a strong believer in two people with the same sun sign dating...
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Same. Although friendship is great between virgos..!
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1. trust =/= detachment

2. private =/= detachment

3. we don't drop hints because we don't get hints

3. we do apologize, but only when we're wrong. AKA once in a blue moon

(earthy-watery virgo)


This is so much like me in relationship lol. Guess its my virgo venus. I had a question tho, can two Virgo suns who are very similar, be happy together in long run??


Never tried it, but not a strong believer in two people with the same sun sign dating...
Same. Although friendship is great between virgos..!
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Definitely, have a lot of Virgo friends it's easy-peasy with them!

What sign are you @Petals? Any other Virgo placements besides Venus?
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ugh can anyone help me? I want to get advice and not seem like a crazy lil fish to my virgo love. On Monday night I sent him a sexy message and he said "ok", then we went on to explain how its sexy but he's focusing on work (He works grave yard). we chatted and then said goodnight. Tuesday came along and I said "I see a little bit of myself in you (nothing), then i sent a picture of something he liked (nothing) then later wished him a good day at work and he said "thanks". We did talk abit till I went to bed. Yesterday I said "I'm looking forward to the baseball game with you " and he said " me too" then after that nothing. So what should I do? I dont want to freak out, we had a great weekend and I can tell that he loves me. He keeps saying that he is tired from working and looks down this past week. Im remaining cool because again I dont want to seem out of control
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1. trust =/= detachment

2. private =/= detachment

3. we don't drop hints because we don't get hints

3. we do apologize, but only when we're wrong. AKA once in a blue moon

(earthy-watery virgo)


This is so much like me in relationship lol. Guess its my virgo venus. I had a question tho, can two Virgo suns who are very similar, be happy together in long run??


Never tried it, but not a strong believer in two people with the same sun sign dating...
Same. Although friendship is great between virgos..!
Definitely, have a lot of Virgo friends it's easy-peasy with them!

What sign are you @Petals? Any other Virgo placements besides Venus?
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Scorpio sun, no other placements of virgo.!
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So curious thing and it happened to pertain to this point:

Posted by startwars
1. trust =/= detachment

well one thing y'all should know is that if a virgo truly loves you then that means they'll trust you with everything

we trust you and our relationship

Talking to a Virgo yesterday and she was talking about a situation and she made reference to her partner staring at "what he's interested in...tits and a**" and she made a point of telling him to stop after asking him "what the hell are you doing?"

So I "innocently" ask why it was such a big deal that he stare at some "tits and a**? She says "because if you look, you're gonna touch"

Hmph. That isn't very "logical" 😄.

Anyway, as we explored it further, come to find out he was a cheating dirt bag, he had cheated in the past and her insecurities were based on past experience.

I wanted to be able to say a Virgo was wrong, but alas.....until the next time.

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made my day ?
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ugh can anyone help me? I want to get advice and not seem like a crazy lil fish to my virgo love. On Monday night I sent him a sexy message and he said "ok", then we went on to explain how its sexy but he's focusing on work (He works grave yard). we chatted and then said goodnight. Tuesday came along and I said "I see a little bit of myself in you (nothing), then i sent a picture of something he liked (nothing) then later wished him a good day at work and he said "thanks". We did talk abit till I went to bed. Yesterday I said "I'm looking forward to the baseball game with you " and he said " me too" then after that nothing. So what should I do? I dont want to freak out, we had a great weekend and I can tell that he loves me. He keeps saying that he is tired from working and looks down this past week. Im remaining cool because again I dont want to seem out of control
what he told you, he's busy

and a shitty texter, I wont be worried as long as you have good time together
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Posted by PhoenixRising
So curious thing and it happened to pertain to this point:

Posted by startwars
1. trust =/= detachment

well one thing y'all should know is that if a virgo truly loves you then that means they'll trust you with everything

we trust you and our relationship

Talking to a Virgo yesterday and she was talking about a situation and she made reference to her partner staring at "what he's interested in...tits and a**" and she made a point of telling him to stop after asking him "what the hell are you doing?"

So I "innocently" ask why it was such a big deal that he stare at some "tits and a**? She says "because if you look, you're gonna touch"

Hmph. That isn't very "logical" 😄.

Anyway, as we explored it further, come to find out he was a cheating dirt bag, he had cheated in the past and her insecurities were based on past experience.

I wanted to be able to say a Virgo was wrong, but alas.....until the next time.


made my day ?

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Mine too... thanks PhoenixRising 😄
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ugh can anyone help me? I want to get advice and not seem like a crazy lil fish to my virgo love. On Monday night I sent him a sexy message and he said "ok", then we went on to explain how its sexy but he's focusing on work (He works grave yard). we chatted and then said goodnight. Tuesday came along and I said "I see a little bit of myself in you (nothing), then i sent a picture of something he liked (nothing) then later wished him a good day at work and he said "thanks". We did talk abit till I went to bed. Yesterday I said "I'm looking forward to the baseball game with you " and he said " me too" then after that nothing. So what should I do? I dont want to freak out, we had a great weekend and I can tell that he loves me. He keeps saying that he is tired from working and looks down this past week. Im remaining cool because again I dont want to seem out of control
Relax Fish, you're overthinking it in true Piscean fashion... Virgos are serious about our careers, maybe not on a Capricorn level but up there. As long as he's not totally blowing you off and you feel loved, I think you're good!

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What do you think of Virgo fixation? It's always talked about with your axis partner but not with Virgos.
Virgo fixation such as... ¿

I notice with my Virgo friends that if something is unresolved in their mind they will keep trying to circle back around to it as if it's an itch they can't scratch. I can see and feel them almost getting anxious. OCD behaviour, common to some Virgos, is also a form of fixation.

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I'll cop to this one. Hate having unresolved issues, makes me lose sleep.
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What do you think of Virgo fixation? It's always talked about with your axis partner but not with Virgos.
Virgo fixation such as... ¿

I notice with my Virgo friends that if something is unresolved in their mind they will keep trying to circle back around to it as if it's an itch they can't scratch. I can see and feel them almost getting anxious. OCD behaviour, common to some Virgos, is also a form of fixation.

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yeah if something is bugging me I need to solve it/get rid of it or else I'd keep thinking about it over and over.
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What do you think of Virgo fixation? It's always talked about with your axis partner but not with Virgos.
Virgo fixation such as... ¿

I notice with my Virgo friends that if something is unresolved in their mind they will keep trying to circle back around to it as if it's an itch they can't scratch. I can see and feel them almost getting anxious. OCD behaviour, common to some Virgos, is also a form of fixation.

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It's not fixation as much as anxious rumination. What could we have done better? Where did we mess up? Why did we mess up? The perfection becomes dysfunctional at this point. Balance is key for Virgos especially if they have strong perfectionist personalities which most do. I think that the rumination is a vicious cycle. Remember Virgo rules the Nervous system an intergate circuit, where if there is even a slight delay in certain areas of the system there is pathology. So I think meditation is best for Virgos. Well it's good for all signs but I think water signs can mange better than others. Just my insight.

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Lesson 1: Ask not what you can do for your Virgo but instead ask what your Virgo can do for you
Truer words were never spoken.

Asking what you can do for your Virgent / Virgal, is as fruitless an endeavour as ever.

They will only resent you for offering your help or support, at times, even going so far as to feel inadequate or guilty. If they are in a depressive state, then expect (at times very explosive) irritable reactions, moodiness, or even anger.

A Virgent / Virgal 's anger and temper should never be underestimated.
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Very helpful, thanks.

How do you know if virgo starts to have feels for you though?

Gimme an example pls..

Are they sensitive? Do they bottle up feelings?

What if say, a person you care about doesn't do the particulars of your requests, how would they feel?

I'm asking in order to make someone feel comfy around me.

I can be rather cold at times, dk why.

Prone to manipulation as well so gimme some examples of the manipulations you were talkng about in your OP that virgos won't take very well, pls.
Talks to you. Checks up you.

Talk to you a lot. Does things for you with you asking.

Most virgo are said to not express feelings but the other twenty percent do.

Manipulation:

Scorpios have this bad problem of asking the same question in different contextual sentences. They seem to randomly do this a fews times with in a few days time....knowing the guy already answered it. Some Cap women are bad at this also. It always seems i win at there trials and tribulations. I find kind of endearing also bc it shows they care and are worried.

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Incorrect, NineAvenue - We only do so most likely because the questions asked, are genuine questions to show we care.

Yet when we know and could sense you lot erecting a wall to hide behind. It only irritates us, because we hate nagging others, but Virgents / Virgals could be so easily defensive about the most mundane of things.

We approached with open hands, and we get a slap in the face for even asking, and caring.

It is not so much a manipulation, more so than our stubborn will, because we sincerely do worry about you and care.
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Posted by PhoenixRising
So curious thing and it happened to pertain to this point:

Posted by startwars
1. trust =/= detachment

well one thing y'all should know is that if a virgo truly loves you then that means they'll trust you with everything

we trust you and our relationship

Talking to a Virgo yesterday and she was talking about a situation and she made reference to her partner staring at "what he's interested in...tits and a**" and she made a point of telling him to stop after asking him "what the hell are you doing?"

So I "innocently" ask why it was such a big deal that he stare at some "tits and a**? She says "because if you look, you're gonna touch"

Hmph. That isn't very "logical" or trusting 😄.

Anyway, as we explored it further, come to find out he was a cheating dirt bag, he had cheated in the past and her insecurities were based on past experience.

I wanted to be able to say a Virgo was wrong, but alas.....until the next time.

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Ah PR, having a Virgal sibling does groom you well enough to know how to be an utter bane on their kind. 😆
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What do you think of Virgo fixation? It's always talked about with your axis partner but not with Virgos.
Virgo fixation such as... ¿

I notice with my Virgo friends that if something is unresolved in their mind they will keep trying to circle back around to it as if it's an itch they can't scratch. I can see and feel them almost getting anxious. OCD behaviour, common to some Virgos, is also a form of fixation.

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Yeahhh. I would prefer closure for all things in my life. You can usually pick out a Virgo or even a Gemini bc both have nervous energy. Virgo is more calm and shy about it, but you can FEEL it.
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Why'd you change your name! I've been on a hiatus from DXP a few days and one MVP is banned and another changes their name?
Hi there?

someone been messing with my other account, I had to change it
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Just admit it, you came here in the light, with the Force within you . . . and now you have turned to the dark side. Now, you Start Wars. 😆

How fitting. 😈
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Why'd you change your name! I've been on a hiatus from DXP a few days and one MVP is banned and another changes their name?
Hi there?

someone been messing with my other account, I had to change it
Just admit it, you came here in the light, with the Force within you . . . and now you have turned to the dark side. Now, you Start Wars. 😆

How fitting. 😈

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cant deny that. I love it in the edge zone??
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How long is being patient with virgos?

2 weeks, a century?


depends on the issue but being too patient get you no where really cause we can wait and chill forever
I find this patience a bit tough at times
whats your sign?

if patience isn't solving any problems then just express yourself clearly
Sag sun

Tau moon

Cap rising

Cap venus

Not so much the patience, its how long then it starts to feel like your plans are falling apart.
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I like sags bluntness do just that

actually now that i think about it

virgos are mutable just express yourself and they'll find a way to make things work
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So.......

the virgo doesn't apologise after a stupid act, but then turns around and purs acting like everything is okay.

what do you do? Do you move on like everything is really okay but low-key wanna have heads roll or do you still stay mad?
we dont apologize if what we did has to do with our nature

personally I dont like spending time feeling like shit so I just geniunely move on cause most times its not worth it
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idk about y'all, but I HAVE to be at least good friends w/ a guy before we date. I'm not sure how women can date guys they've just met with instantly... not for me :/

I need to be able to have fun with the guy, teasing and joking and stuff. My best friend ?

Humor is the way to my heart. It our humor is on the same wavelength ——
What exactly is being good friends with a guy? If i made a guy my friend, i lose all attraction it probably would never be sexual.
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Being able to tease each other and have good laughs. Someone I can be myself around and who not only knows me inside and out but also accepts me as I am. That's what I consider as a good/best friend and what I look for in a lover
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Posted by Scorpino
Finally, my dream came true!

Now I want to ask you about a virgo girl (my ex best best best friend/ ride or die...etc....).

So she used to give me these effed up comments like: who told you to lose weight? (When my ring slipped from my finger and fell on the ground)

-mind you she said that with an angry aggressive tone-, with many other weird and aggressive comments!

I heard her scold her sister for becoming such an athlete with a gorgeous body, also heard her wishing bad terrible things to happen to her friends (one was in a great relationship, and she said she wishes her friend and her husband getting divorced).



Please I need a virgo super hero to help me explain this madness of hers, bc I feel so stupid to finally understand her motives, like, I've been lying to myself for so long bc I loved her but it got too much for me tbh...

This has nothing to do with being a Virgo, and everything to do with being a jealous, bossy & mean spirited person... Wow, wishing someone's marriage would fail, really? FFS, what's wrong with people?
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Finally, my dream came true!

Now I want to ask you about a virgo girl (my ex best best best friend/ ride or die...etc....).

So she used to give me these effed up comments like: who told you to lose weight? (When my ring slipped from my finger and fell on the ground)

-mind you she said that with an angry aggressive tone-, with many other weird and aggressive comments!

I heard her scold her sister for becoming such an athlete with a gorgeous body, also heard her wishing bad terrible things to happen to her friends (one was in a great relationship, and she said she wishes her friend and her husband getting divorced).



Please I need a virgo super hero to help me explain this madness of hers, bc I feel so stupid to finally understand her motives, like, I've been lying to myself for so long bc I loved her but it got too much for me tbh...
if I dont know her I'd say shes jealous and cuckoo, but if she's your bestfriend then you should know what her intentions are.

the ring thing sound like a funny joke to me. maybe her sister is over stresed so she wants her to chill out? maybe the husband is a dick and she want them to divorce? ?‍♀️

also you've already made your decision so im not sure why you're asking
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So, Virgos, what should I make of a Virgo guy who says "I'm sorry for the way I was yelling and carrying on yesterday. And for tearing apart your family. I don't even really know them..... What? Did I say that!? I'm sorry! You're not stupid or an idiot. I was very angry and drunk. Please forgive me."

I accept and tell him so.

A few weeks later (minimal contact in between) he says, "I don't have a very high opinion of your family. But I apologized for the way I expressed myself. Not what I said. It wouldn't have been so bad had I not been drunk.

Did he use logic to justify his behavior to himself, and therefore, me? Or is he just a drunken POS?
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Finally, my dream came true!

Now I want to ask you about a virgo girl (my ex best best best friend/ ride or die...etc....).

So she used to give me these effed up comments like: who told you to lose weight? (When my ring slipped from my finger and fell on the ground)

-mind you she said that with an angry aggressive tone-, with many other weird and aggressive comments!

I heard her scold her sister for becoming such an athlete with a gorgeous body, also heard her wishing bad terrible things to happen to her friends (one was in a great relationship, and she said she wishes her friend and her husband getting divorced).



Please I need a virgo super hero to help me explain this madness of hers, bc I feel so stupid to finally understand her motives, like, I've been lying to myself for so long bc I loved her but it got too much for me tbh...
if I dont know her I'd say shes jealous and cuckoo, but if she's your bestfriend then you should know what her intentions are.

the ring thing sound like a funny joke to me. maybe her sister is over stresed so she wants her to chill out? maybe the husband is a dick and she want them to divorce? ?‍♀️

also you've already made your decision so im not sure why you're asking
I do now know her intentions, hence why I've left her for good.

As the ring thing situation, knowing how she would usually joke, it didn't really seem like it, although she did try to pretend she was just "being funny".

Her sister was doing "better" than her so I think that what made an A-hole out of her, the husband and her friend are madly in love with each other and it seems to get under her skin somehow.

I think I'm both sad and confused, I'm looking for a closure or at least vent a little. It isn't easy letting go of a best friend.. ?

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you know her better than I do so ?‍♀️
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Finally, my dream came true!

Now I want to ask you about a virgo girl (my ex best best best friend/ ride or die...etc....).

So she used to give me these effed up comments like: who told you to lose weight? (When my ring slipped from my finger and fell on the ground)

-mind you she said that with an angry aggressive tone-, with many other weird and aggressive comments!

I heard her scold her sister for becoming such an athlete with a gorgeous body, also heard her wishing bad terrible things to happen to her friends (one was in a great relationship, and she said she wishes her friend and her husband getting divorced).



Please I need a virgo super hero to help me explain this madness of hers, bc I feel so stupid to finally understand her motives, like, I've been lying to myself for so long bc I loved her but it got too much for me tbh...

This has nothing to do with being a Virgo, and everything to do with being a jealous, bossy & mean spirited person... Wow, wishing someone's marriage would fail, really? FFS, what's wrong with people?


I know right? I tried to come up with a logical explanation of why she would do these things and I've tried to understand where she's coming from but she always end up surprising me with new weird behaviors. I'm the most naive person I know for holding onto the relationship I've had with her. ??

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I have a good friend that's an August Virgo, she can make some pretty cutting remarks. But she has a great big heart and means well, so I know to overlook some of her comments. Maybe that's your situation? We have that reputation you know, the criticism...