Aries and scorpio thing
What is the best way to deal with a sick Ram ? (Page 3)
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@IamTheRam, what makes you believe he has feelings and most of all why are you so convinced he will reach out ?
Especially, when he is actively avoiding / ignoring me. I would hardly wish to become delusional about the situation. If he cared for me as a friend, a normal man would have greeted me and said hello, without an issue. In the past, every time I went to him, he would always act distant and cool. When I care not, he passive aggressively wants to get my attention. After all, he always waits until I initiate. If I do not, then he would always ask or do roundabout things to spark me to initiate. Which half the time, I miss, because it is far too passive aggressive for me to read.
I thought your kind to be more straight forward than this.
How was he luring me in, when he stayed at the furthest distance possible, except when he walked pass my vicinity ?
It has been two weeks since, and he has been trying to portray himself having a great time with life. Monsieur I-have-all-this-female-attention, trying very hard to prove a point. He did not do so, in my presence though when he saw me that day. It was always said Ram men chase. Well so far, all I have been seeing is him trying to put it on me to go to him. Unfortunately for him, Stingers also rule the planet of Mars. We could have as much pride and ego as Rams do.
This is what I want, with all that he has shown me of himself up to now. I would like to enjoy him, as a companion, as a lover. Someone who I could share passionate and intimate moments with when we are together. Essentially, having memories to take away. Time when spent together, is shared with utterly open emotions with full abandon. Doing everything two people in love would, but without the commitment, and only when in the presence of one another.
When we are not together, he could live his life as he wishes, and me, mine. We do not own each other. I would not question him, and therefore he does not have the right to question mine. I will give him his freedom, and independence, but he must also respect mine. He has a career that means a lot to him, and I have mine, as well. We both have ambitions we both want to achieve. It is as important to him, to reach his goals, as it is important to me, to reach my own goals.
From there, if and until he has proven to me that he has done work on himself and grown as a man. Being able to step up beyond his ego, to be more assertive, and communicative. Then I may consider more, but until that time, I would be happy to keep him in what I have described above. We could be friends too, within that arrangement, but I would keep my friendliness at bay until I see that he is able to overcome whatever silly misconceived notion that he has.
Although in a more immediate time frame, I would wish to clear out the air. To properly express my side of the events that he mistook me for. To explain the gift and the soup as mere acts of kindness, not more, and hardly with an intent to trap or tie him down.
Especially, when he is actively avoiding / ignoring me. I would hardly wish to become delusional about the situation. If he cared for me as a friend, a normal man would have greeted me and said hello, without an issue. In the past, every time I went to him, he would always act distant and cool. When I care not, he passive aggressively wants to get my attention. After all, he always waits until I initiate. If I do not, then he would always ask or do roundabout things to spark me to initiate. Which half the time, I miss, because it is far too passive aggressive for me to read.
I thought your kind to be more straight forward than this.
How was he luring me in, when he stayed at the furthest distance possible, except when he walked pass my vicinity ?
It has been two weeks since, and he has been trying to portray himself having a great time with life. Monsieur I-have-all-this-female-attention, trying very hard to prove a point. He did not do so, in my presence though when he saw me that day. It was always said Ram men chase. Well so far, all I have been seeing is him trying to put it on me to go to him. Unfortunately for him, Stingers also rule the planet of Mars. We could have as much pride and ego as Rams do.
This is what I want, with all that he has shown me of himself up to now. I would like to enjoy him, as a companion, as a lover. Someone who I could share passionate and intimate moments with when we are together. Essentially, having memories to take away. Time when spent together, is shared with utterly open emotions with full abandon. Doing everything two people in love would, but without the commitment, and only when in the presence of one another.
When we are not together, he could live his life as he wishes, and me, mine. We do not own each other. I would not question him, and therefore he does not have the right to question mine. I will give him his freedom, and independence, but he must also respect mine. He has a career that means a lot to him, and I have mine, as well. We both have ambitions we both want to achieve. It is as important to him, to reach his goals, as it is important to me, to reach my own goals.
From there, if and until he has proven to me that he has done work on himself and grown as a man. Being able to step up beyond his ego, to be more assertive, and communicative. Then I may consider more, but until that time, I would be happy to keep him in what I have described above. We could be friends too, within that arrangement, but I would keep my friendliness at bay until I see that he is able to overcome whatever silly misconceived notion that he has.
Although in a more immediate time frame, I would wish to clear out the air. To properly express my side of the events that he mistook me for. To explain the gift and the soup as mere acts of kindness, not more, and hardly with an intent to trap or tie him down.
@TheLadyScorpio Sure i will try to explain why i think that ^^ But whatever i tell you, just keep doing your own thing and don't reach out for him, ok ? ^^
Yes, and that's actualy the point ! If he cared for you as a freind, i think he wold try to settle things down when he saw you, maybe say something like... "Hi, sorry for that...bla bla bla", behave like everything is normal bettween you 2, try to chill everything out...but he didn't lol....Why ? ^^
This guy actualy told you that *he loved you* once, he was very open with you about him and his harsh past, was jealous of you, etc, etc...and he is still wearing something you gave to him. So, why the sudden change on his behaviour ? ^^ (wold you *wear something from someone* that you don't *like at all* ? ^^)
Do you think a soup and you oferring some stuff is enough for someone to stop talking to you, after what you both shared ?...And from what you told us, you guys actualy had some moments....so the thing is, how do you go from that...to nothing...hummm... 🙂
Yes he was distant, but he was allways on your sight, wasn't he ? ^^ And him walking by you and not saying a thing or looking...well...lol i actualy did that also...and the distance thing....and more stuff....you know what ?...I might even be a bit *worse* than him when it comes to this things....well, maybe....lolol xD
And how is that everyone knew about you ?... ^^ Do you think people say "You are a special person" and end up with a smile in their face when someone is putting a *bad word* for *you in your back* ?...humm....i really don't think so hehe ^^
And yes lol...the biggest problem atm it's actualy his ego, and from what i can tell, he might be on a *all time high*...lool but him posting about all this women things, puffff....comeone TLS...you know better then that xD
But if you asked me if he got *other women on his radar*...atm i wold say, that...maybe yes, and tbh i think that this might be the problem...but if i am right about this, you can lower that ego down just by doing absolutly....nothing ^^
And tbh that's also how you will know if he actualy cares for you or not, because if he really does care....he will reach for you. He is still an Aries ^^ It's just that sometimes it's just that *hard* to find the right *way* to go hehe ^^
At the end of the day there is only 2 ways out of this...or something is holding this guy back...or he is really that
son of a bitch of a person....but that's up to you to pass this judgement, you are the one that know him and interacted with him ^^ I am just trying to show you the more plausible sides to this 🙂
As for you trying to clear things out...hummm...i don't think he is going to acknowledge anything atm and at the worst, this could backfire again...and you kinda got nothing to gain from it if you just keep doing your own thing tbh....and most important of all.....shouldn't him be the one that needs to apologize to you ? ^^
No matter what i say here or what if he actualy feels for you something more or not, one thing is allways certain...You doing absolutly nothing is allways your best option ^^
Because first and most important, you end up just doing your own thing...lol...and second, if he really wants you, he will do everything for you, he is still an Aries ^^
As for what you want from him...i see 🙂
Just...never *entertain* an Aries...this is the sure path to sideness, if you know what i mean 🙂
Keep doing your own thing TLS, allways *be the Prize*, you are the Woman after all ^^
Yes, and that's actualy the point ! If he cared for you as a freind, i think he wold try to settle things down when he saw you, maybe say something like... "Hi, sorry for that...bla bla bla", behave like everything is normal bettween you 2, try to chill everything out...but he didn't lol....Why ? ^^
This guy actualy told you that *he loved you* once, he was very open with you about him and his harsh past, was jealous of you, etc, etc...and he is still wearing something you gave to him. So, why the sudden change on his behaviour ? ^^ (wold you *wear something from someone* that you don't *like at all* ? ^^)
Do you think a soup and you oferring some stuff is enough for someone to stop talking to you, after what you both shared ?...And from what you told us, you guys actualy had some moments....so the thing is, how do you go from that...to nothing...hummm... 🙂
Yes he was distant, but he was allways on your sight, wasn't he ? ^^ And him walking by you and not saying a thing or looking...well...lol i actualy did that also...and the distance thing....and more stuff....you know what ?...I might even be a bit *worse* than him when it comes to this things....well, maybe....lolol xD
And how is that everyone knew about you ?... ^^ Do you think people say "You are a special person" and end up with a smile in their face when someone is putting a *bad word* for *you in your back* ?...humm....i really don't think so hehe ^^
And yes lol...the biggest problem atm it's actualy his ego, and from what i can tell, he might be on a *all time high*...lool but him posting about all this women things, puffff....comeone TLS...you know better then that xD
But if you asked me if he got *other women on his radar*...atm i wold say, that...maybe yes, and tbh i think that this might be the problem...but if i am right about this, you can lower that ego down just by doing absolutly....nothing ^^
And tbh that's also how you will know if he actualy cares for you or not, because if he really does care....he will reach for you. He is still an Aries ^^ It's just that sometimes it's just that *hard* to find the right *way* to go hehe ^^
At the end of the day there is only 2 ways out of this...or something is holding this guy back...or he is really that
son of a bitch of a person....but that's up to you to pass this judgement, you are the one that know him and interacted with him ^^ I am just trying to show you the more plausible sides to this 🙂
As for you trying to clear things out...hummm...i don't think he is going to acknowledge anything atm and at the worst, this could backfire again...and you kinda got nothing to gain from it if you just keep doing your own thing tbh....and most important of all.....shouldn't him be the one that needs to apologize to you ? ^^
No matter what i say here or what if he actualy feels for you something more or not, one thing is allways certain...You doing absolutly nothing is allways your best option ^^
Because first and most important, you end up just doing your own thing...lol...and second, if he really wants you, he will do everything for you, he is still an Aries ^^
As for what you want from him...i see 🙂
Just...never *entertain* an Aries...this is the sure path to sideness, if you know what i mean 🙂
Keep doing your own thing TLS, allways *be the Prize*, you are the Woman after all ^^
Posted by IamTheRam@IamTheRam, I assure you I will not reach out but I cannot assure you whether or not I will run into him in the city. Since we often frequent the same area and places.
@TheLadyScorpio Sure i will try to explain why i think that ^^ But whatever i tell you, just keep doing your own thing and don't reach out for him, ok ? ^^
Yes, and that's actualy the point ! If he cared for you as a freind, i think he wold try to settle things down when he saw you, maybe say something like... "Hi, sorry for that...bla bla bla", behave like everything is normal bettween you 2, try to chill everything out...but he didn't lol....Why ? ^^
This guy actualy told you that *he loved you* once, he was very open with you about him and his harsh past, was jealous of you, etc, etc...and he is still wearing something you gave to him. So, why the sudden change on his behaviour ? ^^ (wold you *wear something from someone* that you don't *like at all* ? ^^)
Do you think a soup and you oferring some stuff is enough for someone to stop talking to you, after what you both shared ?...And from what you told us, you guys actualy had some moments....so the thing is, how do you go from that...to nothing...hummm...
Yes he was distant, but he was allways on your sight, wasn't he ? ^^ And him walking by you and not saying a thing or looking...well...lol i actualy did that also...and the distance thing....and more stuff....you know what ?...I might even be a bit *worse* than him when it comes to this things....well, maybe....lolol xD
And how is that everyone knew about you ?... ^^ Do you think people say "You are a special person" and end up with a smile in their face when someone is putting a *bad word* for *you in your back* ?...humm....i really don't think so hehe ^^
And yes lol...the biggest problem atm it's actualy his ego, and from what i can tell, he might be on a *all time high*...lool but him posting about all this women things, puffff....comeone TLS...you know better then that xD
But if you asked me if he got *other women on his radar*...atm i wold say, that...maybe yes, and tbh i think that this might be the problem...but if i am right about this, you can lower that ego down just by doing absolutly....nothing ^^
And tbh that's also how you will know if he actualy cares for you or not, because if he really does care....he will reach for you. He is still an Aries ^^ It's just that sometimes it's just that *hard* to find the right *way* to go hehe ^^
At the end of the day there is only 2 ways out of this...or something is holding this guy back...or he is really that
son of a bitch of a person....but that's up to you to pass this judgement, you are the one that know him and interacted with him ^^ I am just trying to show you the more plausible sides to this
As for you trying to clear things out...hummm...i don't think he is going to acknowledge anything atm and at the worst, this could backfire again...and you kinda got nothing to gain from it if you just keep doing your own thing tbh....and most important of all.....shouldn't him be the one that needs to apologize to you ? ^^
No matter what i say here or what if he actualy feels for you something more or not, one thing is allways certain...You doing absolutly nothing is allways your best option ^^
Because first and most important, you end up just doing your own thing...lol...and second, if he really wants you, he will do everything for you, he is still an Aries ^^
As for what you want from him...i see
Just...never *entertain* an Aries...this is the sure path to sideness, if you know what i mean
Keep doing your own thing TLS, allways *be the Prize*, you are the Woman after all ^^
Yes, he did tell me that he loved me. However, he uttered those words in the throes of passion in bed, the first night we met. I doubt it could have been true. Nobody could be in love so soon. Well, to be precise, the gift was not something in which that he could wear. It was something in which he could use, it was a personally engraved lighter. A message was on it, which I chose, it was relevant to his past.
He was distant, and not always in my line of sight. When he did not walk in or around me, I had my back to him. The only reason I could see him sitting very far away looking in my direction, was because sometimes people approached me and I turned to speak with them. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw him.
Well, a certain few people have seen us go to his home together and seen us around the city, during the day and night. They also looked shocked / surprised or uncomfortable as if not sure what to do, when they see us. It never bothered me though.
I would not be surprised if he has other woman company occupying him (Though he always lamented to me that they never understood him, it only became just sex, either they use him for it, or him, them. It became meaningless.), he did formerly use dating apps which he never hid from me. After all, he lets me use his phone. Although he mostly ignored all the messages of those women when with me, he was not in a rush to reply them. Even if those messages were constant. I never asked, or questioned him about it when I saw them. Though I did tell him he should probably answer all these messages he gets from all these different sources. He always gave me a confused look and said he would get to it later, it was not important. I suppose he expected me to be jealous and throw a fit but I am not that type of woman.
Also, I am not entirely innocent either, I constantly have men on my radar as well. Yes, I still meet other men, for dates etc. Obviously, he knows not of this, because he has no right to it yet. I am not his, and he is not mine. 😈
He is also very exhausted from his work, he was lazy before and got too preoccupied with chasing women. Now, he is behind schedule by a few weeks already, if not more. All this, of his own undoing. Of course, the company is not happy about this.
Hah, well I suppose it is now his ego against my own. Mars against Mars and Pluto. Who wins ? 😆
No, you are absolutely right. The ball was left in his court, which is why despite wishing to explode on him and state my truth. I still held back, a part of me feels, it is his turn to step up and apologise. Too much have been done by me as is already. My own pride has been holding me back, thankfully so.
What do you mean by "Just...never *entertain* an Aries...this is the sure path to sideness, if you know what i mean" ?
Otherwise, thank you again for your kind words and as always I do appreciate them. Until then, it will be my pride keeping me in line and continue pursuing my own life.
@TheLadyScorpio I see i see ^^ Well, in a way, and when you look at it closely, you are both still in the very early stages of anything 🙂
And it's *actualy great* that *this things* do happen now, rather then latter ^^ It's like...it's bound to happen when you are also facing someone that also have a big personality (let's call it personality for the sake of it haha) But the good news it's like i said...you will get to see the negative traits up front hehe
And yeah...what's up with the "I love you* in the heat of passion thing ?! I am going to rant a bit here, so do bear with me on this one now 😆
I've heard and seen it all..."No you don't", "Stop saying this things", "Shut up", *Shocked staring looks*, *Stops looking and shies away*, *Laughs*, etc, etc, etc...i mean...i've seen and heard it all !! Except one thing...."I Love You Too"...funny hun ?! 🙂
And it's like...i am inside of *you* !!...i can actualy feel what is going on down there when i say it !!! It arouses both of us !! so why not say it ?! Why *kill* the passion ?!
Because yeah...i've been all over your body, we did things that are considered a crime in at least 17 diferent countries in the world, but....god forbides you to say "I love you too" grab me by the neck and kiss me....i mean !!!! How hard is it to just go for it ?!?...i swear...it kills me...if there is one thing that really kills my passion in a rship, it's this type of things...i am very very spontaneous...and things are already hard as they are to pull it out for me, and when i go for it....*shock* lol
So yeah...i do understand when he says he want's somebody that understands him and things becoming meaningless if it's just *bodies on the move* for both... 🙂
But i also understand the Woman side with this "I Love you" thing and sex, i really do....but...no...please just no...it's our moment of passion, just let it all out.... ^^
In a way try to picture it like this in a stupid example...I did everything for you, took you out to dinner, gave you a gift at the dinner, we even went out after to buy you some more stuff, etc, etc and...you are all happy after kissing me on the cheek and saying "I love you i love you.... and i say something like..."No you don't...you just love all that i did for you..." do you see what i mean ?! Isn't it such a shitty thing to do ?!... xD
As for you not getting jealous with that women thing on his phone...holly shit...i get sick mad when i am trying to make a woman jealous and she doesn't get jealous...jfc...you have no idea how this pisses me off hahah and i even say it...oh i don't care..it's straight up that i say it "Hey, i have all this women after me, so what are you doing ?! You are suposed *to be in Love* with me by now !! What's wrong with you !?!" Haha xD
But you know what...that is actualy the type of woman that i like ^^ Strong, never giving in ^^
Ok rant over...lol sorry for that hehe
As for that ego thing...i don't know TLS i really don't...you know, on saturday i was on this dinner telling some stories and having tons of fun with the crap that i did and i actualy ended that up with..."You guys know what ?...i think i might be a Diva..." haha xD
And on a more serious note...What I mean by that is actualy valid for both men and women of any sign tbh...and he actualy told you that when he said that understanding thing and the meaningless sex also ^^
It's like if all *you* are or what *you* are taking it's *entertainment*...then that's all it will be and when you loose the fun with an entertainment...the purpose of it it's lost and you move to the next thing 🙂
On the Aries male this is all more the truth...You know that saying that "Behind a Great man there is allways a Great Woman" ? With an Aries, this is most def spot on ^^ I've got absolutly no doubt that it was the Women in my life that changed me and shaped me to be something better 🙂
And please, stop with the thanks thing ^^ It's just 2 ppl talking ^^ and sorry if this time i talked more about me xD
And it's *actualy great* that *this things* do happen now, rather then latter ^^ It's like...it's bound to happen when you are also facing someone that also have a big personality (let's call it personality for the sake of it haha) But the good news it's like i said...you will get to see the negative traits up front hehe
And yeah...what's up with the "I love you* in the heat of passion thing ?! I am going to rant a bit here, so do bear with me on this one now 😆
I've heard and seen it all..."No you don't", "Stop saying this things", "Shut up", *Shocked staring looks*, *Stops looking and shies away*, *Laughs*, etc, etc, etc...i mean...i've seen and heard it all !! Except one thing...."I Love You Too"...funny hun ?! 🙂
And it's like...i am inside of *you* !!...i can actualy feel what is going on down there when i say it !!! It arouses both of us !! so why not say it ?! Why *kill* the passion ?!
Because yeah...i've been all over your body, we did things that are considered a crime in at least 17 diferent countries in the world, but....god forbides you to say "I love you too" grab me by the neck and kiss me....i mean !!!! How hard is it to just go for it ?!?...i swear...it kills me...if there is one thing that really kills my passion in a rship, it's this type of things...i am very very spontaneous...and things are already hard as they are to pull it out for me, and when i go for it....*shock* lol
So yeah...i do understand when he says he want's somebody that understands him and things becoming meaningless if it's just *bodies on the move* for both... 🙂
But i also understand the Woman side with this "I Love you" thing and sex, i really do....but...no...please just no...it's our moment of passion, just let it all out.... ^^
In a way try to picture it like this in a stupid example...I did everything for you, took you out to dinner, gave you a gift at the dinner, we even went out after to buy you some more stuff, etc, etc and...you are all happy after kissing me on the cheek and saying "I love you i love you.... and i say something like..."No you don't...you just love all that i did for you..." do you see what i mean ?! Isn't it such a shitty thing to do ?!... xD
As for you not getting jealous with that women thing on his phone...holly shit...i get sick mad when i am trying to make a woman jealous and she doesn't get jealous...jfc...you have no idea how this pisses me off hahah and i even say it...oh i don't care..it's straight up that i say it "Hey, i have all this women after me, so what are you doing ?! You are suposed *to be in Love* with me by now !! What's wrong with you !?!" Haha xD
But you know what...that is actualy the type of woman that i like ^^ Strong, never giving in ^^
Ok rant over...lol sorry for that hehe
As for that ego thing...i don't know TLS i really don't...you know, on saturday i was on this dinner telling some stories and having tons of fun with the crap that i did and i actualy ended that up with..."You guys know what ?...i think i might be a Diva..." haha xD
And on a more serious note...What I mean by that is actualy valid for both men and women of any sign tbh...and he actualy told you that when he said that understanding thing and the meaningless sex also ^^
It's like if all *you* are or what *you* are taking it's *entertainment*...then that's all it will be and when you loose the fun with an entertainment...the purpose of it it's lost and you move to the next thing 🙂
On the Aries male this is all more the truth...You know that saying that "Behind a Great man there is allways a Great Woman" ? With an Aries, this is most def spot on ^^ I've got absolutly no doubt that it was the Women in my life that changed me and shaped me to be something better 🙂
And please, stop with the thanks thing ^^ It's just 2 ppl talking ^^ and sorry if this time i talked more about me xD
Posted by NemDeuxNem, everyone is entitled to clarity. In fact, I would demand it of anyone I would ever consider being with, that is merely common decency and respect. I am too old for anything less, much less no boundaries.Posted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by TheLadyScorpio
Further Update:
He told me he is not looking for anything serious at the moment (though his actions said otherwise, are we not supposed to look at actions instead of words ?). That he really liked me, and that he thought I was great. We could be friends, and see each other from time to time.
He was the one that was public, territorial, sensitive, and offended when I was casual before. As soon as I show a little investment. He responds with this.
Why ?
Friends with benefits ? click to expand
Apparently not that either @MyStarsShine, I would have been fine with that too because I would simply demote him in my life to that level. However, he cannot accept the fact that I am accepting of his honesty and the situation. He told me he does not want to be serious. When someone tells me that, I will take them for their word.
He is now refusing to let up, and tells me he likes me a lot, he thinks I am great etc. Which is nice, but I am not hurt once everything is clear. I am in no uncertain stance, asking him out right if that friendship includes sex or not. I prefer to be clear. click to expand
He sounds confusing ..... click to expand
I do not believe in deluding myself. If a man tells me he does not want to be serious, I will believe him, even despite his actions, and him being strange.
He needs to be clear with me, now he keeps going in circles. I need to know if this is a friendship with benefits, cause if I do not get the sex. I will look elsewhere for it. click to expand
you don't need to know anything ...yes, clarity would be nice, but you are not entitled to it. he was pretttty damn clear, finally ....so why scorp, are you broading on to obsessive train? you are self sufficient ...you have your answer ....get off while you can. click to expandclick to expand
If you read the entire thread, you would realise he was not 'pretttty damn clear'. If he were, I would have long got off what you call the 'obsessive train', and be gone. You do realise, the reason I could not let go is because I was accused of both actions, intent, and emotions, which were not true. Maybe, certain others like yourself could walk away from being accused, but I cannot. He was a complete bastard in how he went about it as well. A doormat, I will not be, and angry, I will be, as it is justified, rightfully so.
If he was clear, I would have had my answer. 😐
Self sufficiency and answers are two different things. Though as much as I do write here, if again you read it all, you do realise my actions are hardly a sliver of what is shared here. Hardly, an insane Stinger. Think a lot perhaps, but careful in how I act.
Posted by NemDeuxNow, 17 days.
16 days ....
If you are trying to say, why it is so short a time. No, I have known this Ram since the beginning of April.
@IamTheRam, new update.
Went to the place again, to visit a few people because I was organising something (professionally) with them elsewhere. Did not expect him to be there, however I saw him the moment I arrived. What a change. His energy was different, he was not as closed off. Yes, he still tried to be macho and cool in demeanour but smiled warmly at me. Would not let me pay for my drink, he organised it all before I could say anything. Thanked him on the spot, in front of everyone but he ignored me as if he did nothing. I knew it was that facade of his, so I let him have his Ram moment. 😆
Went outside to the large patio terrace area. Enjoying my drink whilst working away, he circled around me, directly in front of me, talking with other people from the company. Finally, he got back to other tasks, then approached me. Sat with me, catching up with everything. It felt relaxed, friendly, and casual. He was not as guarded, actually laughed and smiled. It almost shocked me, he was relaxed. His eyes were warm and twinkling. As he was sharing about his career goals, and dreams. He took upon all the advice I gave him months ago, and did a lot of thinking, internal growth, and worked on himself.
He now has specific plans, and he told me by what age he will want to settle and have a family (in two years). The reason for it, he also explained. Until then, he is bored with his career progress, but work hard and play hard is his current motto. Which I agree to, he seemed offended. He told me his dream city to work in, I encouraged him to go, and he said he had no contacts. I promised to help him reach out to people that I know to see if I could connect him with potential opportunities. I am a generous person, of course I would help someone I care about. He did not seem too happy that I was willing.
His expression seemed to say - "Why would you not want me to stay and continue gaining success here, why would you let me go ?"
He seems offended that I am so very easy going, but is this not what friends are for ?
Then he also brought a shisha, and a mountain of cold cuts, cheeses, and nuts for me to have. Then he merely demanded - "Eat!" If I even slowed down, he would demand that I eat again. I told him I loved one of the cheeses but with black truffle and he immediately asked if I wanted some. I told him it was fine. Also, because of his position at the company, he snuck a shot of very expensive and rare whiskey served neat. He had me enjoy it with him. When all drinks were finished, I was asking him about certain cocktails, merely for conversations sake. He immediately asked my preference, then disappeared off to organise something that was not offered on any menu for me. He did so because he knew I had been telling him of my experiences at other places, how great it was. I believe he wanted to show me how incredible he was as well. When I was tasting it, he constantly wanted to know what I thought. No matter how I complimented, he still kept asking.
Other people who he overseas, came by and shared the food etc. They spoke with me especially when he was gone, telling me that I was the only woman that was able to consistently see him and enjoy his company the way I do. They also said normally woman would approach them at the place, unashamedly asking for complimentary drinks etc. They told me only the ones attractive enough get given them, when asked. I said jokingly that I must try it more often at other places. They said, well you never even have to ask, you are always given complimentary things. I suppose this was their indirect way of saying I was already attractive enough, or that Ram finds me attractive. Though I am certain, he gives out complimentary drinks etc. to plenty other women as well. They kept telling me all these things, which I never ask of them. Others told me that he is a flirt, which I told them I knew. It was not surprising.
They all seem to want to help me, why ?
At times, because I could be quite sociable and get along with people well. Most everyone at the place, I am friendly or have become friends with. He almost looks as if he felt left out, because I have a good rapport. However, I have to keep him at a slight distance, for my own sake. I am respecting his choice.
He was held up, but I stayed until he could leave. In fact, everyone left together. Initially, I thought he was going to leave me behind and go out with several of the other gents for business discussions. Which I would have respected, and would have left on my own. When I asked him, he pretended to ignore me. Took the gents aside, had a talk, and chose me. He left them and we went to his place. So now, everyone knows without a doubt that I do stay at his place. I could not tell if he was comfortable with this idea or not, of them knowing. He had that cool ignoring Ram mask on when we left them.
Unlike last time, he actually participated and the sex was quite nice. However, he kept trying to hold himself back from any kissing. He would come really near, and then force himself back. Again, he was constantly asking me if I enjoyed myself. No matter, how many times I would tell him that I do.
He still continues to ask as if he is not convinced or does he simply want more reassurance ?
After it all, he continued to refrain from any kissing. Yet, this time, because he obviously spoke of not wanting to be serious. Therefore, I kept everything a bit more friendly and casual, in regards to touches, cuddling etc. Yet, he would manually move my arms or legs, so that we are always touching or semi cuddling. He would close his eyes, and enjoy it. The entire night, though no full cuddling. I never initiated not after, how he rejected me before. He kept leaning into me, so he could feel my body and presence. He always made sure to have at least some part of my body touching his, as if to be sure that I was actually there. When he believes I am in deep sleep, he would out right cuddle me, sensually and tenderly caress me with care, hold me, have his limbs possessively over my own, or nuzzle his head in. The very moment, I even move or he believes me slightly conscious. He almost jumps back, as if he touched fire.
Why would he show such intimate affection, but would only dare do so when he believes me fast asleep ? If he cares for me, why does he try to control and hide it ?
When I could not sleep, and stayed awake to browse the news etc. on my phone. He used to wake up and stare jealousy at my phone thinking I was writing other men but now that I let him see the screen if he wanted to. He merely constantly wakes up to check on me. He has this soft observant look on his face, as if he is always alert and aware of me.
He is no longer as serious, or stressed. He seems more conflicted to me, he is no longer as guarded as if I broke something in him but he is still holding the emotions back. I understand, because he chose not to have anything serious and I respect it. He is both vulnerable and not. When I left, he tried to make it as casual as possible. However, after a kiss he held me. He seemed to need it more than I did, I had to reassuring caress his back. He told me to take care, and I left.
We still never had the conversation about our connection, or what happened, nor did we have any ego clashes. It was hard to explain, but there did not seem to be a power struggle anymore. His ego seems to be have calmed down. Almost an acceptance that yes, we both have strong personalities, fighting each other on it will not help either one of us. On a side note, he also admitted that he (stealthily) follows me across social media, since he only looks but does nothing. 😆
Is this a positive change for Ram gents ?
Went to the place again, to visit a few people because I was organising something (professionally) with them elsewhere. Did not expect him to be there, however I saw him the moment I arrived. What a change. His energy was different, he was not as closed off. Yes, he still tried to be macho and cool in demeanour but smiled warmly at me. Would not let me pay for my drink, he organised it all before I could say anything. Thanked him on the spot, in front of everyone but he ignored me as if he did nothing. I knew it was that facade of his, so I let him have his Ram moment. 😆
Went outside to the large patio terrace area. Enjoying my drink whilst working away, he circled around me, directly in front of me, talking with other people from the company. Finally, he got back to other tasks, then approached me. Sat with me, catching up with everything. It felt relaxed, friendly, and casual. He was not as guarded, actually laughed and smiled. It almost shocked me, he was relaxed. His eyes were warm and twinkling. As he was sharing about his career goals, and dreams. He took upon all the advice I gave him months ago, and did a lot of thinking, internal growth, and worked on himself.
He now has specific plans, and he told me by what age he will want to settle and have a family (in two years). The reason for it, he also explained. Until then, he is bored with his career progress, but work hard and play hard is his current motto. Which I agree to, he seemed offended. He told me his dream city to work in, I encouraged him to go, and he said he had no contacts. I promised to help him reach out to people that I know to see if I could connect him with potential opportunities. I am a generous person, of course I would help someone I care about. He did not seem too happy that I was willing.
His expression seemed to say - "Why would you not want me to stay and continue gaining success here, why would you let me go ?"
He seems offended that I am so very easy going, but is this not what friends are for ?
Then he also brought a shisha, and a mountain of cold cuts, cheeses, and nuts for me to have. Then he merely demanded - "Eat!" If I even slowed down, he would demand that I eat again. I told him I loved one of the cheeses but with black truffle and he immediately asked if I wanted some. I told him it was fine. Also, because of his position at the company, he snuck a shot of very expensive and rare whiskey served neat. He had me enjoy it with him. When all drinks were finished, I was asking him about certain cocktails, merely for conversations sake. He immediately asked my preference, then disappeared off to organise something that was not offered on any menu for me. He did so because he knew I had been telling him of my experiences at other places, how great it was. I believe he wanted to show me how incredible he was as well. When I was tasting it, he constantly wanted to know what I thought. No matter how I complimented, he still kept asking.
Other people who he overseas, came by and shared the food etc. They spoke with me especially when he was gone, telling me that I was the only woman that was able to consistently see him and enjoy his company the way I do. They also said normally woman would approach them at the place, unashamedly asking for complimentary drinks etc. They told me only the ones attractive enough get given them, when asked. I said jokingly that I must try it more often at other places. They said, well you never even have to ask, you are always given complimentary things. I suppose this was their indirect way of saying I was already attractive enough, or that Ram finds me attractive. Though I am certain, he gives out complimentary drinks etc. to plenty other women as well. They kept telling me all these things, which I never ask of them. Others told me that he is a flirt, which I told them I knew. It was not surprising.
They all seem to want to help me, why ?
At times, because I could be quite sociable and get along with people well. Most everyone at the place, I am friendly or have become friends with. He almost looks as if he felt left out, because I have a good rapport. However, I have to keep him at a slight distance, for my own sake. I am respecting his choice.
He was held up, but I stayed until he could leave. In fact, everyone left together. Initially, I thought he was going to leave me behind and go out with several of the other gents for business discussions. Which I would have respected, and would have left on my own. When I asked him, he pretended to ignore me. Took the gents aside, had a talk, and chose me. He left them and we went to his place. So now, everyone knows without a doubt that I do stay at his place. I could not tell if he was comfortable with this idea or not, of them knowing. He had that cool ignoring Ram mask on when we left them.
Unlike last time, he actually participated and the sex was quite nice. However, he kept trying to hold himself back from any kissing. He would come really near, and then force himself back. Again, he was constantly asking me if I enjoyed myself. No matter, how many times I would tell him that I do.
He still continues to ask as if he is not convinced or does he simply want more reassurance ?
After it all, he continued to refrain from any kissing. Yet, this time, because he obviously spoke of not wanting to be serious. Therefore, I kept everything a bit more friendly and casual, in regards to touches, cuddling etc. Yet, he would manually move my arms or legs, so that we are always touching or semi cuddling. He would close his eyes, and enjoy it. The entire night, though no full cuddling. I never initiated not after, how he rejected me before. He kept leaning into me, so he could feel my body and presence. He always made sure to have at least some part of my body touching his, as if to be sure that I was actually there. When he believes I am in deep sleep, he would out right cuddle me, sensually and tenderly caress me with care, hold me, have his limbs possessively over my own, or nuzzle his head in. The very moment, I even move or he believes me slightly conscious. He almost jumps back, as if he touched fire.
Why would he show such intimate affection, but would only dare do so when he believes me fast asleep ? If he cares for me, why does he try to control and hide it ?
When I could not sleep, and stayed awake to browse the news etc. on my phone. He used to wake up and stare jealousy at my phone thinking I was writing other men but now that I let him see the screen if he wanted to. He merely constantly wakes up to check on me. He has this soft observant look on his face, as if he is always alert and aware of me.
He is no longer as serious, or stressed. He seems more conflicted to me, he is no longer as guarded as if I broke something in him but he is still holding the emotions back. I understand, because he chose not to have anything serious and I respect it. He is both vulnerable and not. When I left, he tried to make it as casual as possible. However, after a kiss he held me. He seemed to need it more than I did, I had to reassuring caress his back. He told me to take care, and I left.
We still never had the conversation about our connection, or what happened, nor did we have any ego clashes. It was hard to explain, but there did not seem to be a power struggle anymore. His ego seems to be have calmed down. Almost an acceptance that yes, we both have strong personalities, fighting each other on it will not help either one of us. On a side note, he also admitted that he (stealthily) follows me across social media, since he only looks but does nothing. 😆
Is this a positive change for Ram gents ?
Posted by NemDeuxNem, I would normally agree. However, I have been dealing with two Rams currently. One female, and one male. Yes, they are impulsive, and direct in certain aspects of their lives. Others, not so, or perhaps I happened upon two bad apples and neither are mature enough or developed. Bloody hell, between the two Rams and I. I am most certainly the more open, blunt, and transparent one.Posted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by NemDeuxPosted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by TheLadyScorpio
Further Update:
He told me he is not looking for anything serious at the moment (though his actions said otherwise, are we not supposed to look at actions instead of words ?). That he really liked me, and that he thought I was great. We could be friends, and see each other from time to time.
He was the one that was public, territorial, sensitive, and offended when I was casual before. As soon as I show a little investment. He responds with this.
Why ?
Friends with benefits ? click to expand
Apparently not that either @MyStarsShine, I would have been fine with that too because I would simply demote him in my life to that level. However, he cannot accept the fact that I am accepting of his honesty and the situation. He told me he does not want to be serious. When someone tells me that, I will take them for their word.
He is now refusing to let up, and tells me he likes me a lot, he thinks I am great etc. Which is nice, but I am not hurt once everything is clear. I am in no uncertain stance, asking him out right if that friendship includes sex or not. I prefer to be clear. click to expand
He sounds confusing ..... click to expand
I do not believe in deluding myself. If a man tells me he does not want to be serious, I will believe him, even despite his actions, and him being strange.
He needs to be clear with me, now he keeps going in circles. I need to know if this is a friendship with benefits, cause if I do not get the sex. I will look elsewhere for it. click to expand
you don't need to know anything ...yes, clarity would be nice, but you are not entitled to it. he was pretttty damn clear, finally ....so why scorp, are you broading on to obsessive train? you are self sufficient ...you have your answer ....get off while you can. click to expand
Nem, everyone is entitled to clarity. In fact, I would demand it of anyone I would ever consider being with, that is merely common decency and respect. I am too old for anything less, much less no boundaries.
If you read the entire thread, you would realise he was not 'pretttty damn clear'. If he were, I would have long got off what you call the 'obsessive train', and be gone. You do realise, the reason I could not let go is because I was accused of both actions, intent, and emotions, which were not true. Maybe, certain others like yourself could walk away from being accused, but I cannot. He was a complete bastard in how he went about it as well. A doormat, I will not be, and angry, I will be, as it is justified, rightfully so.
If he was clear, I would have had my answer.
Self sufficiency and answers are two different things. Though as much as I do write here, if again you read it all, you do realise my actions are hardly a sliver of what is shared here. Hardly, an insane Stinger. Think a lot perhaps, but careful in how I act. click to expand
rams - in my experience - are prettyyy direct. in everything. their likes and dislikes. i think in this case - and especially in light of your last paragraph that you are going into typical scorpio jaw-lock mode and over-interpreting things ....i am quite astonished to see you grasping for crumbs like this. click to expandclick to expand
Therefore for all their stereotype, they do not quite live up to it. Though I must say, both of these Rams had quite a traumatic past, it could well be that, that makes them as confusing as they are rather than astrology. Nonetheless, it is a choice to be clear with others rather than to waste everyones time.
Stuck in a negative loop is what I call it, I am out of it again. Though I assure you, there are not crumbs that I see. Time will tell, prove me wrong or right. Thank heavens, something about dealing with two different Rams really put me in a spin. Be astonished, you have a Stinger moon yourself. You know how Stinger bits when left untended to, could go a bit haywire. Fret not, I am better at making a fool of myself for the things I write here. Though what is DXP for, but that. That, I am not ashamed of, god forbid I exude such foolishness in real life. 😆
As long as I could pull myself back together, all is well. Thank you for your frank delivery. 😈
Posted by NemDeuxWhat ? Moi ?
playing mind games, scorp ....i see what you´re doing
Why I am ever so innocent, a practical saint. 😈
As if ... 😆
@TheLadyScorpio
What do you know...good stuff all arround ^^
I must say that i really like this guy TLS...a very interesting fella indeed hehe 😆
I can tell by the way you analyzed this situation, and also by the questions you asked....that you are starting to figure *this thing out* ^^
It's good that he sees you as someone that can *guide him* in the right path, and he even told you, so that show that he really respects you and your opinion. It's a very good thing when you consider that, well...this is comming from an Aries lol
And yes ofc, he was testing you when he asked your opinion on all that work related stuff hehe but remember that you *can't say it*...allways act like you are a "good freind"....at least for now ^^
Why it seems they wanted to help you out...humm...maybe because they also know that he is nothing but a fool... lool I really dunno this one tbh, but in the end it's allways a good thing no matter how you look at it ^^ and i really do like to think that this is what freinds are for ^^
As for him being a flirt and all that *macho man cool mask* thing...oh well...I think we should just straight up be honest about this one and place the *blame of it* in astrology tbh....god damn that pisces moon... 😆
As for that kissing thing, yep....tests more tests, teasing more teasing ^^ He is really playing a ton of *games* with you hehe lol But the question is...do you know why ? ^^
As for the constant asking if everything is ok...well, it's neither tbh ^^ we simply like to provide when we care ^^ we are *actions based* 🙂 He really is just trying to make sure that everything is *ok* checking if you are having a good time ! I am allways asking if everything is ok !! ^^ And if you need anything...i can bet he will gladly for you !! hehe this is also a good oportunity to *show off* or try to impress, so yeah...go ahead and abuse of this trait...hahah xD
As for him and the hiding intimate affections...lol...it's kinda cute isn't it ?...lol i actualy like to think that it is lol...you know, i really love this moments...it's actualy my favorites... 🙂
Do you know why he is doing it in this way ? 🙂 tell me, why do you think it he is *doing it like this* ?...^^
As for having *that conversation*...humm...do you really want to have it now ?...you are in a *very good spot*, and you got nothing to gain atm tbh ^^ and in the end, he will pull that convo up when he feels like it ^^ at that time just play it like, you know...funny and *careless* about everything and just be done with it...when you look at it, you only know each other for just a few months... 🙂
And hey...maybe one day you can tell him straight up how such a jerk he was when he rejected that soup hehe and, who knows...maybe you will even have a good laugh about all of it latter ^^
You know that understanding thing he was saying...the problem most of the time with us Aries is that we want to be understood without trying to understand others also in the mean time...make him see that ^^ If you both understand and respect each other, things can only go one way ^^
And btw TLS, you know clearly that there is alot of mind games on this one from both you 2 sides hehe but let me ask you this....do you know what is his *mind game* ? 🙂
Remember what i told you about playing that game ^^
So yeah, i dunno if you got any more update on this ! But if you do, please share when you can 🙂
What do you know...good stuff all arround ^^
I must say that i really like this guy TLS...a very interesting fella indeed hehe 😆
I can tell by the way you analyzed this situation, and also by the questions you asked....that you are starting to figure *this thing out* ^^
It's good that he sees you as someone that can *guide him* in the right path, and he even told you, so that show that he really respects you and your opinion. It's a very good thing when you consider that, well...this is comming from an Aries lol
And yes ofc, he was testing you when he asked your opinion on all that work related stuff hehe but remember that you *can't say it*...allways act like you are a "good freind"....at least for now ^^
Why it seems they wanted to help you out...humm...maybe because they also know that he is nothing but a fool... lool I really dunno this one tbh, but in the end it's allways a good thing no matter how you look at it ^^ and i really do like to think that this is what freinds are for ^^
As for him being a flirt and all that *macho man cool mask* thing...oh well...I think we should just straight up be honest about this one and place the *blame of it* in astrology tbh....god damn that pisces moon... 😆
As for that kissing thing, yep....tests more tests, teasing more teasing ^^ He is really playing a ton of *games* with you hehe lol But the question is...do you know why ? ^^
As for the constant asking if everything is ok...well, it's neither tbh ^^ we simply like to provide when we care ^^ we are *actions based* 🙂 He really is just trying to make sure that everything is *ok* checking if you are having a good time ! I am allways asking if everything is ok !! ^^ And if you need anything...i can bet he will gladly for you !! hehe this is also a good oportunity to *show off* or try to impress, so yeah...go ahead and abuse of this trait...hahah xD
As for him and the hiding intimate affections...lol...it's kinda cute isn't it ?...lol i actualy like to think that it is lol...you know, i really love this moments...it's actualy my favorites... 🙂
Do you know why he is doing it in this way ? 🙂 tell me, why do you think it he is *doing it like this* ?...^^
As for having *that conversation*...humm...do you really want to have it now ?...you are in a *very good spot*, and you got nothing to gain atm tbh ^^ and in the end, he will pull that convo up when he feels like it ^^ at that time just play it like, you know...funny and *careless* about everything and just be done with it...when you look at it, you only know each other for just a few months... 🙂
And hey...maybe one day you can tell him straight up how such a jerk he was when he rejected that soup hehe and, who knows...maybe you will even have a good laugh about all of it latter ^^
You know that understanding thing he was saying...the problem most of the time with us Aries is that we want to be understood without trying to understand others also in the mean time...make him see that ^^ If you both understand and respect each other, things can only go one way ^^
And btw TLS, you know clearly that there is alot of mind games on this one from both you 2 sides hehe but let me ask you this....do you know what is his *mind game* ? 🙂
Remember what i told you about playing that game ^^
So yeah, i dunno if you got any more update on this ! But if you do, please share when you can 🙂
@IamTheRam
He did not explicitly say that he took on my guidance, do not be mistaken. He did however share that he now has concrete plans about his ambitions etc. Which meant he did think over all the advice I gave him. I am glad for his sake, my advice was always well intended. Yes, I have continued to act as his good friend.
Why would you say the kissing was teasing, I felt it was more of him holding back and restraining himself than teasing, it was not flirtatious ?
In fact, I find him hiding his intimate affections a bit frustrating, rather than cute. It goes against Ram stereotypes, if he feels it, why not express it openly. That is what Rams normally do, or so it seems from what people say here.
As to if I know why he is doing all this, I do not know why, nor why he is doing it like this / this way ... Do you ?
I also do not know what his mind game is ... Do you ?
If you do, clarify yourself. I feel you do, so explain.
In actuality, I am not game playing more so doing constant damage control to keep this casual. It is not easy tending to a unstable 'stable' connection. After all, remember before he said he was not ready for anything serious. I am respecting his choice, and also protecting myself. He will not get my heart or my relationship self, until he steps up. Though I will not pine over that hope, because I do not believe in changing a man. A man will only change, if he himself wants / chooses to.
It is amusing though, he always posts photographs of himself with other women. Every time only after having seen me again, then he goes silent on his pages. Mind games ? 😆
Update you in my second post.
He did not explicitly say that he took on my guidance, do not be mistaken. He did however share that he now has concrete plans about his ambitions etc. Which meant he did think over all the advice I gave him. I am glad for his sake, my advice was always well intended. Yes, I have continued to act as his good friend.
Why would you say the kissing was teasing, I felt it was more of him holding back and restraining himself than teasing, it was not flirtatious ?
In fact, I find him hiding his intimate affections a bit frustrating, rather than cute. It goes against Ram stereotypes, if he feels it, why not express it openly. That is what Rams normally do, or so it seems from what people say here.
As to if I know why he is doing all this, I do not know why, nor why he is doing it like this / this way ... Do you ?
I also do not know what his mind game is ... Do you ?
If you do, clarify yourself. I feel you do, so explain.
In actuality, I am not game playing more so doing constant damage control to keep this casual. It is not easy tending to a unstable 'stable' connection. After all, remember before he said he was not ready for anything serious. I am respecting his choice, and also protecting myself. He will not get my heart or my relationship self, until he steps up. Though I will not pine over that hope, because I do not believe in changing a man. A man will only change, if he himself wants / chooses to.
It is amusing though, he always posts photographs of himself with other women. Every time only after having seen me again, then he goes silent on his pages. Mind games ? 😆
Update you in my second post.
Posted by IamTheRam@IamTheRam, there is an update, but feel free to answer my last questions first. 🙂
@TheLadyScorpio
So, is there an update or should i answer to your last questions first ?
Posted by TheLadyScorpioSneaky lol... and you say you aren't playing games with him, hun ?...hehe ^^Posted by IamTheRam
@TheLadyScorpio
So, is there an update or should i answer to your last questions first ?
@IamTheRam, there is an update, but feel free to answer my last questions first. click to expandclick to expand
Sure, i will try to reply to it today when i have a bit more of time 🙂
Posted by IamTheRamThat was hardly sneaky, I meant exactly what I said. 😆Posted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by IamTheRam
@TheLadyScorpio
So, is there an update or should i answer to your last questions first ?
@IamTheRam, there is an update, but feel free to answer my last questions first. click to expand
Sneaky lol... and you say you aren't playing games with him, hun ?...hehe ^^
Sure, i will try to reply to it today when i have a bit more of time click to expandclick to expand
Posted by TheLadyScorpioWell...I can't really argue with that, now can i ? hehePosted by IamTheRamPosted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by IamTheRam
@TheLadyScorpio
So, is there an update or should i answer to your last questions first ?
@IamTheRam, there is an update, but feel free to answer my last questions first. click to expand
Sneaky lol... and you say you aren't playing games with him, hun ?...hehe ^^
Sure, i will try to reply to it today when i have a bit more of time click to expand
That was hardly sneaky, I meant exactly what I said. click to expandclick to expand
But.....it's still sneaky TLS....hum hum....it is.... 😆
Haha just *messing* with you, don't take it seriously ^^
TLS, you know what i found interesting about his talk about plans for the future ?! All of it lol ^^
TLS, he *got a plan*...and i think he is making sure of one thing....that you won't go anywhere for now....TLS, what is his game ?... 🙂
Understand his game, and when you do...you will understand another thing.....you are actualy *letting him get away with it* ^^
This is why i asked you several times *what you want* from him ^^ because it's all completly fine if you just want to have fun, you are both mature and aware of it, so yeah...but if not...if you want something more...humm...that's not *how you do it* with an Aries ^^
But the big problem isn't even this tbh...the problem is it's past rship...that's the big issue ^^
Try to see this from his side...he actualy moved to another place to leave that woman alone...i don't think that the prospect of a rship is something that he can *deal* with it atm, you know 🙂
Work hard, play hard...lol that's just a cover to what really hurts him ^^
He lost big time...and he is an Aries...i guess that in a way, he is making sure of one thing atm....that he will win, no matter what 🙂
Tbh i think that the thought of a rship atm for him actualy screams one thing...Pain 🙂
Unless it's a woman that he knows for sure that he can *roll over her*, i don't think he will get into a rship....but then again, this way, he will never fall in Love for her 🙂
I will try to add more when i can, but feel free to question this or add more if you want ^^
Posted by IamTheRamIf his plan was to have me not leave him, then he is not very convincing. He never pursues nor initiates, and he publicly showcases how he still plays, though less so now. I am not a foolish woman, I will see things as realistically as possible. Therefore, what makes you say that, this is his plans ... to keep me from going anywhere, or are you assuming ?Posted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by IamTheRamPosted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by IamTheRam
@TheLadyScorpio
So, is there an update or should i answer to your last questions first ?
@IamTheRam, there is an update, but feel free to answer my last questions first. click to expand
Sneaky lol... and you say you aren't playing games with him, hun ?...hehe ^^
Sure, i will try to reply to it today when i have a bit more of time click to expand
That was hardly sneaky, I meant exactly what I said. click to expand
Well...I can't really argue with that, now can i ? hehe
But.....it's still sneaky TLS....hum hum....it is....
Haha just *messing* with you, don't take it seriously ^^
TLS, you know what i found interesting about his talk about plans for the future ?! All of it lol ^^
TLS, he *got a plan*...and i think he is making sure of one thing....that you won't go anywhere for now....TLS, what is his game ?...
Understand his game, and when you do...you will understand another thing.....you are actualy *letting him get away with it* ^^
This is why i asked you several times *what you want* from him ^^ because it's all completly fine if you just want to have fun, you are both mature and aware of it, so yeah...but if not...if you want something more...humm...that's not *how you do it* with an Aries ^^
But the big problem isn't even this tbh...the problem is it's past rship...that's the big issue ^^
Try to see this from his side...he actualy moved to another place to leave that woman alone...i don't think that the prospect of a rship is something that he can *deal* with it atm, you know
Work hard, play hard...lol that's just a cover to what really hurts him ^^
He lost big time...and he is an Aries...i guess that in a way, he is making sure of one thing atm....that he will win, no matter what
Tbh i think that the thought of a rship atm for him actualy screams one thing...Pain
Unless it's a woman that he knows for sure that he can *roll over her*, i don't think he will get into a rship....but then again, this way, he will never fall in Love for her
I will try to add more when i can, but feel free to question this or add more if you want ^^ click to expandclick to expand
So you do not know his game, or you do but you are not telling me ?
Frankly, I do not know what I am letting him get away with besides the fact that he has mood swings that would make Merfolk run for their money. Therefore do tell, what am I letting him get away with ?
Thus far, I see a man who is entirely not ready to be in any relationship in any capacity because he is not happy with himself, bored with his career, somewhat still directionless in life, and having lost his fire / passion. Since having given him more space, I notice his decline in his spirits. Back to his lifeless self, lifeless eyes, etc.
You said that is not "how you do it", in that case --- How would you do it with a Ram, especially one who already explicitly said he does not want a serious commitment ?
Trying to wrangle a commitment from a Ram who still wants to enjoy his independence sounds like dangerous territory.
His last relationship was seven years ago, it was not recent. He moved away because he wanted to run away from the heartbreak, mostly because he lost both his best friend (the man), and his SO (the woman). They both betrayed him, by keeping their affair from him, in secret, for months. Well, he either has to step up and grow a pair of balls like a proper Ram gent or dwindle away with mediocrity. His choice, life is after all about choices. He could chose fulfilment, or he could chose unhappiness. Neither in which, I have any affect on.
Are you telling me he said that 'work hard, play hard' phrase due to pain he felt from seven years ago, or that I triggered his memories of that heartbreak, or that I hurt him in some way ?
At the moment, I have done nothing to hurt him, he is hurting and playing himself.
What have he lost ?
Well, there is a younger Ram female that I have been mentioning recently on other threads. She is his subordinate at the company he works at. She is an ego driven, insecure, and self absorbed Ram female who enjoys taken men, because of her jealousy of other women. She has absolutely zero morals, going so low in her lack of self confidence and esteem that she feels the only way to validate her worth is by bedding committed men. She has been displaying envy and jealousy of me, in increasing increments over time. Recently, she has been throwing herself at the Ram gent as soon as she felt he was giving me too much attention. Initially she thought I was his SO, hence she feared me, thereby stayed away. Anyways, I intimidate her which make her envy me all the more. Her issue, not mine. Quite frankly, I let her know I was not his SO, nor is he mine.
Once she knew, she has been unapologetically pushing herself unto him. Rather forcefully, whilst I have taken an entire step back. Now, I have been watching quietly as a Stinger lady would. As she flaunts herself, trying to wrangle a commitment out of him, to pin him down. As possessive as she is, I doubt he would be able to stand her for long but I am sure she is easier to roll over than I am. After all, inside she is rather weak, hollow and empty. For his egos sake, I am certain he will entertain it, that is until he could not stand her trying to suffocate him. She will make him explode in a big conflict. Them both being Rams, sharing the same Sun / Mercury / Venus will make it all the more dramatic. It will be entertaining watching another woman, play with fire she cannot handle. 😆
@TheLadyScorpio
Well I'll be damned...Still not the update 😆
Tbh, it's irrelevant if i do know it or not 🙂 It's like you said, you are a realistic woman and you will see things as they are, so unless you see it for yourself, nothing will change ^^ fixed signs 101, hey ? hehe
So even if i told you or even if he told you (!!)...you wold still see things as you want 🙂 and that's what i was trying to do, to make you see it for yourself, otherwise you *will keep asking questions* in order to figure things out for yourself, and this will get us nowhere tbh ^^ in the end and like i said, you will see things the way you want to see and that's it 🙂
But I'd say...he wants you to fall in Love with him, and you could tell me, "this is not how you make a woman fall in Love..."...but...ask yourself this question again, you will see what i am trying to say.
As for why ?...read my previous post, you have everything there. The winning, the loosing, etc, etc ^^ as for why you are letting him get away...*you are inderictly giving him options* by being casual about all of this...do not *give him options*, it's either you or he gets nothing from you. His choice.
And jfc...you know what ?!...i have yet to meet a man that told me i enjoy my freedom, i like to do be free and not in a rship with a woman bla bla bla...it's allways the same thing that i hear when we get deep into this type of convo...allways..."i am not getting into a rship if i don't like her or see ourselfs doing well togheter, i don't want the trouble of being with someone that i don't see myself with, it's pointless"...this from any sign...and i am talking about *playboy type of guys*, not wanna be's. So yeah, this idea of freedom and bla bla bla...no, it is not like that. Trust me 🙂
So, what you *needed to do* is to make him fall in Love for you...play his game and *win over him*, simple. Untill then, no talks about rship because this is actualy a very sensitive thing to him, if you brought this idea of his past or no i don't know, but this is something that lingers within him...as for why i think that ?...he told you about it and he wasn't trying to impress you with this one at all...this is something that prob makes him be who he is now and he knows it, so he bluntly told you about it.
You know, by the way you are describing things, i sometimes feel like you are very *stiff* when arround him...it's like...*he gets no reaction* from you..in a way, and how i see it...it's like...*you 2 clearly speak 2* diferent Love languages, you know ?
If he is teasing you, why don't you tease him back ? If he is trying to impress you, why don't you call that off "ehh, not impressed..." lol Tease him about it ! You could have teased him when he was being more romantic with you and that backed off thing...make it a fun thing ! Or even say that you liked it ! That it made you feel wanted altough you know he is a pos but you liked the atention he gave you and that's what he is good for lool i dunno lool...we all like this astrology thing, but sometimes ppl forget about the most obvious thing of all...Compability between signs...it's like, what for you might seem to be something forced or not natural...for an other sign, it is just what it is !! And *how it's suposed to be* !! And above all...its fucking fun !! Because at the end of the day, it is what it is and most importantly both speak the same language..both understand each other no matter what 🙂
No reaction at all is very very bad for an Aries...we like to tease to impress to show off in order to get a reaction ! Good or bad it doesn't matter at all !! Getting nothing is just a massive....fail lool ^^
And as for him and his trauma...i think you are seeing it all wrong tbh...you want him to get over it, but if you were the one that made him get over it...how diferent everything wold be...as you see...compability again...Aries needs this from his woman, the ability to make him change 🙂
Kinda of a mix of sweetness and *i am a crazy woman and you will know about it* lol ^^
Aries needs You to pull it off from him, and it's like...from how you described it, everytime he tryed to...he got nothing from you hehe ^^
As for this other woman...well with those placements. she will give him reactions...that's for sure lol but...i still think you got this and i still think it will be a massive headache for you lol ^^
So yeah, i dunno if i was more clear this time arround or if this even made any sense to you lol but that's how i see things 🙂
Now...Go on ! Update time !! 😆 hehe
Well I'll be damned...Still not the update 😆
Tbh, it's irrelevant if i do know it or not 🙂 It's like you said, you are a realistic woman and you will see things as they are, so unless you see it for yourself, nothing will change ^^ fixed signs 101, hey ? hehe
So even if i told you or even if he told you (!!)...you wold still see things as you want 🙂 and that's what i was trying to do, to make you see it for yourself, otherwise you *will keep asking questions* in order to figure things out for yourself, and this will get us nowhere tbh ^^ in the end and like i said, you will see things the way you want to see and that's it 🙂
But I'd say...he wants you to fall in Love with him, and you could tell me, "this is not how you make a woman fall in Love..."...but...ask yourself this question again, you will see what i am trying to say.
As for why ?...read my previous post, you have everything there. The winning, the loosing, etc, etc ^^ as for why you are letting him get away...*you are inderictly giving him options* by being casual about all of this...do not *give him options*, it's either you or he gets nothing from you. His choice.
And jfc...you know what ?!...i have yet to meet a man that told me i enjoy my freedom, i like to do be free and not in a rship with a woman bla bla bla...it's allways the same thing that i hear when we get deep into this type of convo...allways..."i am not getting into a rship if i don't like her or see ourselfs doing well togheter, i don't want the trouble of being with someone that i don't see myself with, it's pointless"...this from any sign...and i am talking about *playboy type of guys*, not wanna be's. So yeah, this idea of freedom and bla bla bla...no, it is not like that. Trust me 🙂
So, what you *needed to do* is to make him fall in Love for you...play his game and *win over him*, simple. Untill then, no talks about rship because this is actualy a very sensitive thing to him, if you brought this idea of his past or no i don't know, but this is something that lingers within him...as for why i think that ?...he told you about it and he wasn't trying to impress you with this one at all...this is something that prob makes him be who he is now and he knows it, so he bluntly told you about it.
You know, by the way you are describing things, i sometimes feel like you are very *stiff* when arround him...it's like...*he gets no reaction* from you..in a way, and how i see it...it's like...*you 2 clearly speak 2* diferent Love languages, you know ?
If he is teasing you, why don't you tease him back ? If he is trying to impress you, why don't you call that off "ehh, not impressed..." lol Tease him about it ! You could have teased him when he was being more romantic with you and that backed off thing...make it a fun thing ! Or even say that you liked it ! That it made you feel wanted altough you know he is a pos but you liked the atention he gave you and that's what he is good for lool i dunno lool...we all like this astrology thing, but sometimes ppl forget about the most obvious thing of all...Compability between signs...it's like, what for you might seem to be something forced or not natural...for an other sign, it is just what it is !! And *how it's suposed to be* !! And above all...its fucking fun !! Because at the end of the day, it is what it is and most importantly both speak the same language..both understand each other no matter what 🙂
No reaction at all is very very bad for an Aries...we like to tease to impress to show off in order to get a reaction ! Good or bad it doesn't matter at all !! Getting nothing is just a massive....fail lool ^^
And as for him and his trauma...i think you are seeing it all wrong tbh...you want him to get over it, but if you were the one that made him get over it...how diferent everything wold be...as you see...compability again...Aries needs this from his woman, the ability to make him change 🙂
Kinda of a mix of sweetness and *i am a crazy woman and you will know about it* lol ^^
Aries needs You to pull it off from him, and it's like...from how you described it, everytime he tryed to...he got nothing from you hehe ^^
As for this other woman...well with those placements. she will give him reactions...that's for sure lol but...i still think you got this and i still think it will be a massive headache for you lol ^^
So yeah, i dunno if i was more clear this time arround or if this even made any sense to you lol but that's how i see things 🙂
Now...Go on ! Update time !! 😆 hehe
@IamTheRam
I will update you first, before I respond to your latest reply.
If you want to understand a bit more background to the younger female Ram, I had another thread in this forum about it. I will unhide the posts, so you could read them.
Thread name - "Is this common female Ram behaviour ?"
There will be two updates, of the last two weeks. My last update to you occurred three weeks ago. It so coincidentally happens to be three weeks since we actually slept together.
Part 1 - Two weeks ago ...
I initially passed by mostly because I was in the mood to sit at a place with a view. The female Ram greeted me, rather awkwardly as she pretended to be genuinely nice to me. Updated me in regards to her life but she was never at ease. Whilst, I felt more than comfortable being as I am. She would not let me pay my bill and said it was complimentary. Sat outside enjoying my drink, she spoke with me a bit before she left for the night. A part of that conversation, we spoke of career and I told her my new goals. Told her rather than wait for a man or any good man to come along to sweep me off my feet (like most women of all ages). I rather be my own knight in shining armour and save myself by pursuing what I love, whilst being successful in it. She was taken a back, looking around as if hoping no one heard me, as if I was an extraterrestrial creature. It make her highly uncomfortable to be that confidant and self assured in my own goals. After all she was the type that preferred to prey on well off men, as she put it. She left.
Keep in mind, when I arrived and all that time above. I did not see him at all, I thought the company did not need him to pass by this location tonight. Paid no further attention, enjoying myself in my own thoughts, and doing a bit of work as well. My back was to the place, therefore I have no idea how he knew I was there. Suddenly, I felt someone come around and there he was. The only way in which he could have known, was if someone alerted him to my arrival. Strange, he only appeared to spend time with me after she left. He sat himself down and handed me a piece of food he already took one bite out of. It was a piece of carrot. 😆
He had a handful of carrots. He made me eat them, telling me it was good for the eyes. So there I was, eating away like a rabbit mid way through my whisky. What a silly sight it must have been. Usually, he would have appeared with a drink of his own but this time he did not. We caught up as usual, he was not as warm in presence or eyes but open, though his body language was much more intimate. Told me quite a fair amount about his recent ongoings, issues faced in his latest projects. Boldly showed me all his work messages and texts, at times asking for opinions, or translations when part of it was in a language I was better at than he was. However, when sudden texts from women appear, he would immediately turn his phone away. Whilst I advert my eyes to give him privacy.
His demeanour changed, no longer arrogant, if not a bit broken. He was most certainly downplaying himself to the other extreme. He was not fooling anyone. When we got in depth about certain aspects of his projects, he kept making passive aggressive jabs at me. Telling me he was not as good as all the other people I mentioned to him before, he was not of those places or backgrounds etc etc. I had discussed other people, company, places of those in his industry because I wanted to help him before. To highlight, how their successes, and how they achieved it, if he framed part of what they did, he will find his dreams fulfilled too. It was in no way to incite competition, or jealousy. Of course, that was weeks ago. Now, I know better than to do so, because it would be too harsh on a Ram's ego. However, why bring up the dissatisfaction so many weeks later, and this indirectly so. I thought you lot felt anger, and would immediately address it. He brought to surface, things he was simmering on for weeks.
Finished my drink, he went in to get himself a drink, and asked if I wanted something else as well. I told him what I was looking for, he went in to organise yet again something special and off the menu for me. He came back out, had me drink it, did not really ask for any opinion as he would in the past. Only asked in passing once, which now knowing the routine. I complimented, stating what a great choice it was, rather interesting etc. Quite literally, a complete lack of expression on his face as if what I said did not register. Then he kept furrowing his eyebrows, rubbing his temples and so forth. I asked if he was alright, in which he said merely tired. As his continual passive aggressive jabs caused no effect on me. Since I was not about to fall into his trap and create drama, or argue. He told me he had company issues he must attend to, and left me. He did not even finish his drink. I suppose you were correct, he wanted a reaction but got nothing from me. He most likely wanted reassurance that I believed he was worthwhile and great. Which I do, but sometimes compliments only go so far. My constructive criticism towards him weeks ago, was feedback to help him move and reach another level in his career. If only he would not see it as, my thinking he is not good enough.
Since he never appeared again, and it was getting late. The place was about to close. I messaged him to see, if we were going to be sated that night whilst thanking him for everything. He rejected me by saying he had some business to attend to the next morning, but next time. Usually he would leave my thanks at that, but this time he passive aggressively said you are welcome for the drinks etc. Which made me believe, when the female Ram made my bill complimentary, she most likely played a game. She told him that I wanted it to be paid by him, and expected it, due to his position within the entire company. Hence his response. Now, I am never a woman to go seeking charity from men. I could very well pay for everything, I am a lady after all. Though if paid for, I will accept graciously and with appreciation. Since he offered complimentary most things, for quite some time now.
Therefore I left, it was a very strange evening. To be rejected, he would never say no to sleeping together in the past. After all, work hard and play hard was his motto. His photographs with other women have dramatically declined as well.
Either he must have found a replacement to sleep with, he is playing a new game, or he did not want me to ask, he wanted it to come from him to initiate (I could not wait, it was getting far too late, it would have been unwise to be out alone at that hour) ?
Why would he suddenly try to reverse matters, focussing on conversations instead and even make an excuse for it, was he not seeking casual ?
Why withhold the sex and not let me focus on that aspect of our connection ?
Is he punishing me for supposedly hurting him, though I do not know how I ever hurt him ?
I will update you first, before I respond to your latest reply.
If you want to understand a bit more background to the younger female Ram, I had another thread in this forum about it. I will unhide the posts, so you could read them.
Thread name - "Is this common female Ram behaviour ?"
There will be two updates, of the last two weeks. My last update to you occurred three weeks ago. It so coincidentally happens to be three weeks since we actually slept together.
Part 1 - Two weeks ago ...
I initially passed by mostly because I was in the mood to sit at a place with a view. The female Ram greeted me, rather awkwardly as she pretended to be genuinely nice to me. Updated me in regards to her life but she was never at ease. Whilst, I felt more than comfortable being as I am. She would not let me pay my bill and said it was complimentary. Sat outside enjoying my drink, she spoke with me a bit before she left for the night. A part of that conversation, we spoke of career and I told her my new goals. Told her rather than wait for a man or any good man to come along to sweep me off my feet (like most women of all ages). I rather be my own knight in shining armour and save myself by pursuing what I love, whilst being successful in it. She was taken a back, looking around as if hoping no one heard me, as if I was an extraterrestrial creature. It make her highly uncomfortable to be that confidant and self assured in my own goals. After all she was the type that preferred to prey on well off men, as she put it. She left.
Keep in mind, when I arrived and all that time above. I did not see him at all, I thought the company did not need him to pass by this location tonight. Paid no further attention, enjoying myself in my own thoughts, and doing a bit of work as well. My back was to the place, therefore I have no idea how he knew I was there. Suddenly, I felt someone come around and there he was. The only way in which he could have known, was if someone alerted him to my arrival. Strange, he only appeared to spend time with me after she left. He sat himself down and handed me a piece of food he already took one bite out of. It was a piece of carrot. 😆
He had a handful of carrots. He made me eat them, telling me it was good for the eyes. So there I was, eating away like a rabbit mid way through my whisky. What a silly sight it must have been. Usually, he would have appeared with a drink of his own but this time he did not. We caught up as usual, he was not as warm in presence or eyes but open, though his body language was much more intimate. Told me quite a fair amount about his recent ongoings, issues faced in his latest projects. Boldly showed me all his work messages and texts, at times asking for opinions, or translations when part of it was in a language I was better at than he was. However, when sudden texts from women appear, he would immediately turn his phone away. Whilst I advert my eyes to give him privacy.
His demeanour changed, no longer arrogant, if not a bit broken. He was most certainly downplaying himself to the other extreme. He was not fooling anyone. When we got in depth about certain aspects of his projects, he kept making passive aggressive jabs at me. Telling me he was not as good as all the other people I mentioned to him before, he was not of those places or backgrounds etc etc. I had discussed other people, company, places of those in his industry because I wanted to help him before. To highlight, how their successes, and how they achieved it, if he framed part of what they did, he will find his dreams fulfilled too. It was in no way to incite competition, or jealousy. Of course, that was weeks ago. Now, I know better than to do so, because it would be too harsh on a Ram's ego. However, why bring up the dissatisfaction so many weeks later, and this indirectly so. I thought you lot felt anger, and would immediately address it. He brought to surface, things he was simmering on for weeks.
Finished my drink, he went in to get himself a drink, and asked if I wanted something else as well. I told him what I was looking for, he went in to organise yet again something special and off the menu for me. He came back out, had me drink it, did not really ask for any opinion as he would in the past. Only asked in passing once, which now knowing the routine. I complimented, stating what a great choice it was, rather interesting etc. Quite literally, a complete lack of expression on his face as if what I said did not register. Then he kept furrowing his eyebrows, rubbing his temples and so forth. I asked if he was alright, in which he said merely tired. As his continual passive aggressive jabs caused no effect on me. Since I was not about to fall into his trap and create drama, or argue. He told me he had company issues he must attend to, and left me. He did not even finish his drink. I suppose you were correct, he wanted a reaction but got nothing from me. He most likely wanted reassurance that I believed he was worthwhile and great. Which I do, but sometimes compliments only go so far. My constructive criticism towards him weeks ago, was feedback to help him move and reach another level in his career. If only he would not see it as, my thinking he is not good enough.
Since he never appeared again, and it was getting late. The place was about to close. I messaged him to see, if we were going to be sated that night whilst thanking him for everything. He rejected me by saying he had some business to attend to the next morning, but next time. Usually he would leave my thanks at that, but this time he passive aggressively said you are welcome for the drinks etc. Which made me believe, when the female Ram made my bill complimentary, she most likely played a game. She told him that I wanted it to be paid by him, and expected it, due to his position within the entire company. Hence his response. Now, I am never a woman to go seeking charity from men. I could very well pay for everything, I am a lady after all. Though if paid for, I will accept graciously and with appreciation. Since he offered complimentary most things, for quite some time now.
Therefore I left, it was a very strange evening. To be rejected, he would never say no to sleeping together in the past. After all, work hard and play hard was his motto. His photographs with other women have dramatically declined as well.
Either he must have found a replacement to sleep with, he is playing a new game, or he did not want me to ask, he wanted it to come from him to initiate (I could not wait, it was getting far too late, it would have been unwise to be out alone at that hour) ?
Why would he suddenly try to reverse matters, focussing on conversations instead and even make an excuse for it, was he not seeking casual ?
Why withhold the sex and not let me focus on that aspect of our connection ?
Is he punishing me for supposedly hurting him, though I do not know how I ever hurt him ?
Posted by WolfInRamsClothingHah @WolfInRamsClothing, no not at all.
Lol is he sick again?
However, it is the only way to keep @IamTheRam updated, without PM. 😆
How have you been ?
Posted by WolfInRamsClothingNo, I do not talk half as much as I write. In fact, quite the opposite. It I did talk as I write here, it would be a far easier job to manage a Ram gent. (Un)fortunately, I speak far less.Posted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by WolfInRamsClothing
Lol is he sick again?
Hah @WolfInRamsClothing, no not at all.
However, it is the only way to keep @IamTheRam updated, without PM.
How have you been ? click to expand
Lol Lady Scorpio, if you talk as much as you write, just lol.
I'm good, how are you? 😊 click to expandclick to expand
Also, writing on whisky does not help in terms of wordiness. 😆
Not bad at all, thank you for asking.
If only I could stabilise this Ram, then the world will rest. However, there is another Ram gent on the horizon at the same time right now. Ironically, with the same chart but a different moon. Therefore we shall see. 😈
Posted by WolfInRamsClothingThe former. However, the second is taller.Posted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by WolfInRamsClothingPosted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by WolfInRamsClothing
Lol is he sick again?
Hah @WolfInRamsClothing, no not at all.
However, it is the only way to keep @IamTheRam updated, without PM.
How have you been ? click to expand
Lol Lady Scorpio, if you talk as much as you write, just lol.
I'm good, how are you? 😊 click to expand
No, I do not talk half as much as I write. In fact, quite the opposite. It I did talk as I write here, it would be a far easier job to manage a Ram gent. (Un)fortunately, I speak far less.
Also, writing on whisky does not help in terms of wordiness.
Not bad at all, thank you for asking.
If only I could stabilise this Ram, then the world will rest. However, there is another Ram gent on the horizon at the same time right now. Ironically, with the same chart but a different moon. Therefore we shall see. click to expand
Lololol where do you unearth them? Which one looks better ? lol click to expandclick to expand
Well, there are now two confirmed Ram gents. There are two others floating about, but I do not know their signs as of yet.
@TheLadyScorpio
Damn, i like the way you write ! It's like i am reading a journal hehe
"Part 1 - ......." xD
Next time try to elavate the standards even further and give a title to the parts ! xD
This one shall be named...."Whisky and Carrots" haha 😆
And i might get lost with all this diferent timelines tbh, don't forget that i am still an Aries hehe
Going to check out that thread and give you a feedback when i got some more time !
But damn...this guy is completly clueless on how you feel towards him !!! Lool and this is veryyyyyy good !!! Mistery !!
I'll get back to you when i can ^^
Damn, i like the way you write ! It's like i am reading a journal hehe
"Part 1 - ......." xD
Next time try to elavate the standards even further and give a title to the parts ! xD
This one shall be named...."Whisky and Carrots" haha 😆
And i might get lost with all this diferent timelines tbh, don't forget that i am still an Aries hehe
Going to check out that thread and give you a feedback when i got some more time !
But damn...this guy is completly clueless on how you feel towards him !!! Lool and this is veryyyyyy good !!! Mistery !!
I'll get back to you when i can ^^
Next time.....find a man that is mature enough to pursue you, Lady
Don't lower your standards
💙
Don't lower your standards
💙
Posted by MyStarsShineThere is already another Ram (ironically with an identical chart but with a different moon), and two other gents on the horizon. We shall see how that unfolds.
Next time.....find a man that is mature enough to pursue you, Lady
Don't lower your standards
💙
You know of all people, mature men are rare, even more so emotionally available ones. 🙂
Posted by TheLadyScorpioI would rather go without then be with a man child....been there, it's so draining.Posted by MyStarsShine
Next time.....find a man that is mature enough to pursue you, Lady
Don't lower your standards
💙
There is already another Ram (ironically with an identical chart but with a different moon), and two other gents on the horizon. We shall see how that unfolds.
You know of all people, mature men are rare, even more so emotionally available ones. click to expandclick to expand
Posted by IamTheRamFret not, there is only one timeline. The female Ram was merely background information, not related directly to the Ram gent story line.
@TheLadyScorpio
Damn, i like the way you write ! It's like i am reading a journal hehe
"Part 1 - ......." xD
Next time try to elavate the standards even further and give a title to the parts ! xD
This one shall be named...."Whisky and Carrots" haha
And i might get lost with all this diferent timelines tbh, don't forget that i am still an Aries hehe
Going to check out that thread and give you a feedback when i got some more time !
But damn...this guy is completly clueless on how you feel towards him !!! Lool and this is veryyyyyy good !!! Mistery !!
I'll get back to you when i can ^^
Hah, well the parts being numbered is most efficient and would keep your Ram attention span in line. 😆
OP you're a sheep magnet lmao
Posted by Ram416Hah yes @Ram416, of both genders as well. I want to adore you sheeps, but something always seems to go wrong. 😈
OP you're a sheep magnet lmao
Attracting them is not the issue, they are always the ones to approach. However, I always seem to fall into misunderstandings with them. Communication always seems off or disconnected, despite being open, transparent, and blunt on my part. 😆
Posted by TheLadyScorpioIt's the inconjunct, we don't get each otherPosted by Ram416
OP you're a sheep magnet lmao
Hah yes @Ram416, of both genders as well. I want to adore you sheeps, but something always seems to go wrong.
Attracting them is not the issue, they are always the ones to approach. However, I always seem to fall into misunderstandings with them. Communication always seems off or disconnected, despite being open, transparent, and blunt on my part.
click to expandclick to expand
Our other one is Gemini
So many misunderstandings
Not much affinity ....
@IamTheRam
Part 2 - This Week.
Arrived again, at the place. It was very busy, a well known event was taking place with financiers etc. The female Ram saw me, but she skirted around and avoided being in my line of vision. In fact, she left for the night without having greeted me. She, still have something which belonged to me, hence why I was visiting that night. Ordered my drink, catching up with the people I knew there. Quite happily sharing with them my week as they theirs. Excitedly told them a few events I had went to, told them how much I enjoyed my time there, and having met other genuinely nice people. After all, they could not attend but knew I did. He must have heard this, before I saw him because he kept away. Keep in mind, it was not my intention to make him jealous I was merely stating the truth and making conversation.
He saw me, had a somewhat surprised expression on his face and avoided me but a bit on guard. However, they were busy and he was in deep conversation with others visitors from another company over business. Since last time, he seemed passive aggressive or resented the complimentary drinks mostly due to what the female Ram might have said. This time everything I ordered, I requested the bill and paid for everything. So that he knows, I am not using him for complimentary things.
Went outside, as my preferred place to relax. Nothing happened, he did not appear nor walk about, not that I know of. It began to rain, I was moved indoors. Gave one of the best seats at the place, by the people I know there. Did not see him appear in and around the place, I assumed he was off elsewhere, busy, or entertaining someone else. Had three drinks in total, and it was about closing time. During the last 30 minutes, he kept circling about, I suppose to see where I sat. He tried to pretend to be casual, standing in such a way to appear relaxed. He would come close to approach, then would seem to change his mind, made conversation with everyone around me, but me. The place was closed, I was preparing to leave. Only then, did he appear close enough, in front of me. I happen to catch his gaze and smile. He finally, decided to approach. Usually, he would always come to me, but we were almost always outside. This time, once inside, surrounded by all the people of the place, this mess occurred. Still could not tell if he initiated conversation this time, or if I did. Keep in mind this time, he did not show up with any drinks or food.
We made conversation, catching up in regards to his work as usual. His body language was strange, both open to me, familiar yet somewhat distant. I could not tell if he was relaxed, tired, or excited to see me. Normally, I could read his body language. As with two weeks ago, he could not keep eye contact with that same level of intimate warmth. He was open, but there was something guarded or off that my intuition is picking up on that I cannot decipher. Perhaps, he was protecting himself. I could not tell. He did not avoid eye contact, but struggled to keep it held, when it was so very easy for him in the past.
He would tell me most everything, his schedules, his colleagues, his dissatisfaction with his company or his past companies, his true thoughts on his colleagues (his dissatisfaction of them), his work projects / progress, and details of the company ongoings, that if I were to abuse. I could easily, sell the company information to various rival companies and earn me quite some money. However, I have morals and standards, that would not be something that I would do. Also, I would not betray his trust in that manner. Therefore, he must really trust me, to tell me all this information without worry of repercussions. At the same time he does not seem to trust me as well.
Do you see how confusing this is ?
Even with his projects, he would ask further for my opinion or suggestions when I proposed an idea. Which I do give him, not quite sure if he would remember them but he does listen. He never did quite ask for it in the past, not so bluntly. He would always show me unpublished company information on projects he was working on which I know he does not share with anyone else. He would show me everything on his phone, including private work messages as usual. He enjoys sharing his inspirations behind what he did, and why. I enjoyed listening to him talk about it as well. He shared more about his work history, the people that influenced him in it. He spoke of his past mistakes etc.
You suggested that I tease or flirt with him, in which I did, even complimented him. Had quite the time myself, and enjoyed doing so. In fact, laughed quite a bit myself. He seemed rather confused, when I tried to do so. He laughed a little as well but did not know what to do with my 'change'. He was not cold, but seemed not to know what to do.
Why would he be this way, I thought he would be more receptive to it ?
We spoke of my week since we last seen each other. As the usual Ram, he preferred speaking about himself rather than listen to me speak of mine. However, this time he asked questions in return. Which was a change, he never would ask much about what I did in my leisure time. Which led us into conversation about art, history, etc. realms we never spoke of in the past. He seemed surprised in my knowledge, granted, he never bothered to discover it about me which was why he never saw those sides to who I am. That seemed to excite him. Though I also spoke of my attending various events. After all, I do have a life when we do not see each other. My career, does allow me space to discover places and events on my own or with friends. In the past, he would make passive aggressive jabs or seem jealous when I do. This time, he provided little reaction, but did ask a few questions of details regarding it. He would even ask if I knew some of the people I mentioned well.
Why is he suddenly taking such a seemingly or truly leisurely approach when I speak of discovering events and meeting people of his industry there ? Why does he never seem to like it when I speak of my work or my career, does he feel less masculine if and when I do ?
This lead me to speak of an event that was being held at one of the locations of his company. He began to speak very highly of the artist, saying she should have been promoted more etc. It took me a back, he never complimented anyone before must less speak of anyone highly. I never heard him speak like so, it made me wonder if he did so to make me feel what I supposedly made him feel a few weeks ago (when I spoke highly of others in his industry who were visiting). Keep in mind, he never met this artist before. It could also very well be that he genuinely liked her, I do not know.
Was he trying to make me jealous, hurt etc. ?
In the past, he mistakenly shared that he does look at my social media. This time, when I shared with him my week. He pretended as if he knew or saw nothing, and kept asking questions.
Why pretend as if he knew nothing ?
Eventually, he wanted to smoke. He asked if I would like to go outside with him. He stood up and swiftly disappeared off. It left me in a daze momentarily, he left so quickly. I walked out and could not see him, it took me some time before I found where he was. That seemed rather abrupt and odd. Since he used to always be rather attentive.
Strange, no ... why so seemingly dismissive ?
Once outside, he spoke further about his work, admitting to some of his struggles and why. How he was struggling with his creativity in regards to his projects for the company. The creative process as someone who really needed it, he was suffering from a block, he felt stunted for a while. He told me it was really a struggle at the time, it really bothered him that he could not force himself to apply his soul into his project. I told him I knew, I could tell he was losing a bit of his passion for a while, the fire died down. It came across in his work, he tried to argue otherwise but then admitted that I was actually correct. He was both surprised, pleased, and confused that I understood / saw through him. It was a change though, for him to agree and said so bluntly that I was correct in my assessment, that I was right and that he did not want to admit it. It did leave me rather smug, it was satisfying to hear him say it. Of course, I was right. I am a Stinger woman after all, and felt it (did not say this to him). He never went this deep in regards to his struggles or emotions in quite some time. He spoke of his career dreams again, his new goals. He seemed so very happy when he spoke of them, his eyes sparkled, and I felt happy for him. It made me smile, I told him he was an asset to the company. It seemed to puff him up, he made more grandiose comments of his work, almost to the point of showing off how he was improving and doing well.
Was he doing so to try to please or impress me, or to show me that he is doing better now ? Why be vulnerable about his creativity, yet be closed off at the same time in certain aspects ?
To be continued in Part 3, which is of the same night.
Part 2 - This Week.
Arrived again, at the place. It was very busy, a well known event was taking place with financiers etc. The female Ram saw me, but she skirted around and avoided being in my line of vision. In fact, she left for the night without having greeted me. She, still have something which belonged to me, hence why I was visiting that night. Ordered my drink, catching up with the people I knew there. Quite happily sharing with them my week as they theirs. Excitedly told them a few events I had went to, told them how much I enjoyed my time there, and having met other genuinely nice people. After all, they could not attend but knew I did. He must have heard this, before I saw him because he kept away. Keep in mind, it was not my intention to make him jealous I was merely stating the truth and making conversation.
He saw me, had a somewhat surprised expression on his face and avoided me but a bit on guard. However, they were busy and he was in deep conversation with others visitors from another company over business. Since last time, he seemed passive aggressive or resented the complimentary drinks mostly due to what the female Ram might have said. This time everything I ordered, I requested the bill and paid for everything. So that he knows, I am not using him for complimentary things.
Went outside, as my preferred place to relax. Nothing happened, he did not appear nor walk about, not that I know of. It began to rain, I was moved indoors. Gave one of the best seats at the place, by the people I know there. Did not see him appear in and around the place, I assumed he was off elsewhere, busy, or entertaining someone else. Had three drinks in total, and it was about closing time. During the last 30 minutes, he kept circling about, I suppose to see where I sat. He tried to pretend to be casual, standing in such a way to appear relaxed. He would come close to approach, then would seem to change his mind, made conversation with everyone around me, but me. The place was closed, I was preparing to leave. Only then, did he appear close enough, in front of me. I happen to catch his gaze and smile. He finally, decided to approach. Usually, he would always come to me, but we were almost always outside. This time, once inside, surrounded by all the people of the place, this mess occurred. Still could not tell if he initiated conversation this time, or if I did. Keep in mind this time, he did not show up with any drinks or food.
We made conversation, catching up in regards to his work as usual. His body language was strange, both open to me, familiar yet somewhat distant. I could not tell if he was relaxed, tired, or excited to see me. Normally, I could read his body language. As with two weeks ago, he could not keep eye contact with that same level of intimate warmth. He was open, but there was something guarded or off that my intuition is picking up on that I cannot decipher. Perhaps, he was protecting himself. I could not tell. He did not avoid eye contact, but struggled to keep it held, when it was so very easy for him in the past.
He would tell me most everything, his schedules, his colleagues, his dissatisfaction with his company or his past companies, his true thoughts on his colleagues (his dissatisfaction of them), his work projects / progress, and details of the company ongoings, that if I were to abuse. I could easily, sell the company information to various rival companies and earn me quite some money. However, I have morals and standards, that would not be something that I would do. Also, I would not betray his trust in that manner. Therefore, he must really trust me, to tell me all this information without worry of repercussions. At the same time he does not seem to trust me as well.
Do you see how confusing this is ?
Even with his projects, he would ask further for my opinion or suggestions when I proposed an idea. Which I do give him, not quite sure if he would remember them but he does listen. He never did quite ask for it in the past, not so bluntly. He would always show me unpublished company information on projects he was working on which I know he does not share with anyone else. He would show me everything on his phone, including private work messages as usual. He enjoys sharing his inspirations behind what he did, and why. I enjoyed listening to him talk about it as well. He shared more about his work history, the people that influenced him in it. He spoke of his past mistakes etc.
You suggested that I tease or flirt with him, in which I did, even complimented him. Had quite the time myself, and enjoyed doing so. In fact, laughed quite a bit myself. He seemed rather confused, when I tried to do so. He laughed a little as well but did not know what to do with my 'change'. He was not cold, but seemed not to know what to do.
Why would he be this way, I thought he would be more receptive to it ?
We spoke of my week since we last seen each other. As the usual Ram, he preferred speaking about himself rather than listen to me speak of mine. However, this time he asked questions in return. Which was a change, he never would ask much about what I did in my leisure time. Which led us into conversation about art, history, etc. realms we never spoke of in the past. He seemed surprised in my knowledge, granted, he never bothered to discover it about me which was why he never saw those sides to who I am. That seemed to excite him. Though I also spoke of my attending various events. After all, I do have a life when we do not see each other. My career, does allow me space to discover places and events on my own or with friends. In the past, he would make passive aggressive jabs or seem jealous when I do. This time, he provided little reaction, but did ask a few questions of details regarding it. He would even ask if I knew some of the people I mentioned well.
Why is he suddenly taking such a seemingly or truly leisurely approach when I speak of discovering events and meeting people of his industry there ? Why does he never seem to like it when I speak of my work or my career, does he feel less masculine if and when I do ?
This lead me to speak of an event that was being held at one of the locations of his company. He began to speak very highly of the artist, saying she should have been promoted more etc. It took me a back, he never complimented anyone before must less speak of anyone highly. I never heard him speak like so, it made me wonder if he did so to make me feel what I supposedly made him feel a few weeks ago (when I spoke highly of others in his industry who were visiting). Keep in mind, he never met this artist before. It could also very well be that he genuinely liked her, I do not know.
Was he trying to make me jealous, hurt etc. ?
In the past, he mistakenly shared that he does look at my social media. This time, when I shared with him my week. He pretended as if he knew or saw nothing, and kept asking questions.
Why pretend as if he knew nothing ?
Eventually, he wanted to smoke. He asked if I would like to go outside with him. He stood up and swiftly disappeared off. It left me in a daze momentarily, he left so quickly. I walked out and could not see him, it took me some time before I found where he was. That seemed rather abrupt and odd. Since he used to always be rather attentive.
Strange, no ... why so seemingly dismissive ?
Once outside, he spoke further about his work, admitting to some of his struggles and why. How he was struggling with his creativity in regards to his projects for the company. The creative process as someone who really needed it, he was suffering from a block, he felt stunted for a while. He told me it was really a struggle at the time, it really bothered him that he could not force himself to apply his soul into his project. I told him I knew, I could tell he was losing a bit of his passion for a while, the fire died down. It came across in his work, he tried to argue otherwise but then admitted that I was actually correct. He was both surprised, pleased, and confused that I understood / saw through him. It was a change though, for him to agree and said so bluntly that I was correct in my assessment, that I was right and that he did not want to admit it. It did leave me rather smug, it was satisfying to hear him say it. Of course, I was right. I am a Stinger woman after all, and felt it (did not say this to him). He never went this deep in regards to his struggles or emotions in quite some time. He spoke of his career dreams again, his new goals. He seemed so very happy when he spoke of them, his eyes sparkled, and I felt happy for him. It made me smile, I told him he was an asset to the company. It seemed to puff him up, he made more grandiose comments of his work, almost to the point of showing off how he was improving and doing well.
Was he doing so to try to please or impress me, or to show me that he is doing better now ? Why be vulnerable about his creativity, yet be closed off at the same time in certain aspects ?
To be continued in Part 3, which is of the same night.
@IamTheRam
Part 3 - The Same Night.
Not only so, the female Ram which is his subordinate. He brought her up as well. You see, in the two weeks since we last met. She had posted up a photograph of them together, working on a project for the company. She was forcefully pressed up into him, being rather possessive about it. He seemed very positive about the photograph on social media. I was positive about it as well, she was not going to get a jealous me because I was not. He was telling me about her, without using her name. Which was strange, he referred to her as her job title, his subordinate. We both know her name, I did not understand why he reduced her to so. I even asked if he was referring to her, to clarify. He ignored it, with a slightly gloomy expression and continue to refer to her by her job title. She so happens to be on a one week leave, therefore he was not happy about it as it will stress more of a work load on him. In the past, she did complain about him, and his work ethics to me. She also greatly complimented him.
Whilst he, in no way complimented her. He let that Ram bluntness go, and I must say it is harsh. He went through a list of exactly why she is of no use to him. He needs someone better, so he could be supported in his projects and strive to reach a higher level in his projects. He felt she was a hinderance, and that affects the level of respect he is getting at his company. He felt she was of no help, and the company needs to find someone else. Granted, I did not want to participate in drama, therefore I only listened.
Did he say all those things so I would not mistake the photograph she posted ?
In fact, we did somehow briefly speak of social media, and photographs again in regards to the company he works for and his projects. Rather, he brought the subject up since I did not provoke it. He reiterated that it is marketing, and photographs are needed to make it seem like a certain image is upheld. That was all, and it is good for business to do so. Well, his photographs seem to portray him more as a player more than anything else. Though now, he tones it down.
Why bring this up again, his words and actions still do not match, though he assures me that it is marketing ?
Although I must say, he has a terrible habit of always constantly checking his phone. In the past, I knew it was because of messages from others. However, this time, I could see he was not getting messages because he did not hide the screen from me when he took it out. Therefore, why pretend to be preoccupied when he was not. His messages from women seemed to have died down as well, either that or he turned off notifications. He still has tinder, and I saw very few notifications though. Which he ignored.
Why such a strange habit and pretence ?
The entire experience, for an hour or so. Felt like it did the first time we met, it was comfortable, open, intimate, but not as warm, a little awkward, but very relaxed. Relaxed enough, he yawned a few times, wondering if he was bored. I asked him if he was tired, he said only a little, brushing it off. Once the conversation we had was over, we went back indoors. He was discussing a few things with his business associates to finish up, I attended to various messages that was filling up my phone. Granted, it was really late at this point. He did not seem to be doing anything in regards to letting me know if we will be sated that night. It was raining outside.
Eventually, I took the blunt route as I did two weeks ago, unnecessarily waiting for him not knowing if we will sleep together would be a waste of time. This time I did not message him, I approached him in person asking if he will be finished soon. He said in 20 minutes or so. He asked, about me and what my plans were. I said it would depend, less I will have to go before it would unwise for a woman to be in town alone at that hour. In which he quickly responded that he was tired. Therefore, I said I would go then. He gave me kisses on the cheeks. Usual greetings, where I am at. Mumbled something about next time, or whatever else he was muttering when I left. Keep in mind this was all indoors, in front of everyone. I was not bothered anymore to hide the fact, it is not as if everyone did not know we have been together.
Why carry such conversations with me, if he was bored, or not interested, I doubt a Ram would unwillingly occupy a woman for that long ?
Why reject me, unwilling to sleep with me twice, does he no longer want it ?
Is he trying to revert the casual connection we have, so that he could rebuild it into something more?
Is he trying to get me to fall in love with his personality, so that I do not always seek out physical satisfaction with him ?
Did he lose interest, if so why would he still approach me and share all that he does, so openly ?
Does he no longer want to be sated, should I ask him ?
Is he trying to regain control, withholding the physical satisfaction, because then I will not be sated, therefore left frustrated ?
Is that his hopes to reignite my desire and interest in him again, because I would be forced to get to know him more ?
Is he punishing me, for venturing out to events, enjoying myself when I am not around him, by withholding ?
He never messages me in between the times, in which we happen to see each other at one of his company locations. Again, I never know if he is at work, or not. It just so happens that every time, that I do go I always bump into him. It was never planned. In fact, if we do not bump into one another, I am not even sure if we would see one another. Since he never writes. If he was truly interested in me, I would think a Ram would chase quite a fair amount but he never seems bothered to keep in touch in between. Yet, when we do see each other he shares as much as he does. I should think if a Ram, disliked you he would make it known. From his recent body language though, I cannot tell. Everything seems all over the place, he seems interested but not interested. The desire to speak with me, to trust me, but with the rejection of not wanting to sleep together due to his excuses of being tired, or business (they could be valid excuses, but nothing stopped him from wanting it in the past). However, as we know from past experiences, he hides a lot of his emotions when he feel it is not safe for him to express it.
What do you suggest, to remain at a distance, to see if he would like to meet me when we both have free time, to message him to initiate something, to ask him if he would even still want to sleep together or ... ?
[The night after we met, the artist came and performed. He posted a photograph of him with her, thanking her, complimenting her, smiling rather happily with her, and the body language seemed to show him rather pleased. He never complimented like so before, in public. Granted, he always posts a photograph with another woman every time in which we had met the previous day. Always, routinely he does so.]
Part 3 - The Same Night.
Not only so, the female Ram which is his subordinate. He brought her up as well. You see, in the two weeks since we last met. She had posted up a photograph of them together, working on a project for the company. She was forcefully pressed up into him, being rather possessive about it. He seemed very positive about the photograph on social media. I was positive about it as well, she was not going to get a jealous me because I was not. He was telling me about her, without using her name. Which was strange, he referred to her as her job title, his subordinate. We both know her name, I did not understand why he reduced her to so. I even asked if he was referring to her, to clarify. He ignored it, with a slightly gloomy expression and continue to refer to her by her job title. She so happens to be on a one week leave, therefore he was not happy about it as it will stress more of a work load on him. In the past, she did complain about him, and his work ethics to me. She also greatly complimented him.
Whilst he, in no way complimented her. He let that Ram bluntness go, and I must say it is harsh. He went through a list of exactly why she is of no use to him. He needs someone better, so he could be supported in his projects and strive to reach a higher level in his projects. He felt she was a hinderance, and that affects the level of respect he is getting at his company. He felt she was of no help, and the company needs to find someone else. Granted, I did not want to participate in drama, therefore I only listened.
Did he say all those things so I would not mistake the photograph she posted ?
In fact, we did somehow briefly speak of social media, and photographs again in regards to the company he works for and his projects. Rather, he brought the subject up since I did not provoke it. He reiterated that it is marketing, and photographs are needed to make it seem like a certain image is upheld. That was all, and it is good for business to do so. Well, his photographs seem to portray him more as a player more than anything else. Though now, he tones it down.
Why bring this up again, his words and actions still do not match, though he assures me that it is marketing ?
Although I must say, he has a terrible habit of always constantly checking his phone. In the past, I knew it was because of messages from others. However, this time, I could see he was not getting messages because he did not hide the screen from me when he took it out. Therefore, why pretend to be preoccupied when he was not. His messages from women seemed to have died down as well, either that or he turned off notifications. He still has tinder, and I saw very few notifications though. Which he ignored.
Why such a strange habit and pretence ?
The entire experience, for an hour or so. Felt like it did the first time we met, it was comfortable, open, intimate, but not as warm, a little awkward, but very relaxed. Relaxed enough, he yawned a few times, wondering if he was bored. I asked him if he was tired, he said only a little, brushing it off. Once the conversation we had was over, we went back indoors. He was discussing a few things with his business associates to finish up, I attended to various messages that was filling up my phone. Granted, it was really late at this point. He did not seem to be doing anything in regards to letting me know if we will be sated that night. It was raining outside.
Eventually, I took the blunt route as I did two weeks ago, unnecessarily waiting for him not knowing if we will sleep together would be a waste of time. This time I did not message him, I approached him in person asking if he will be finished soon. He said in 20 minutes or so. He asked, about me and what my plans were. I said it would depend, less I will have to go before it would unwise for a woman to be in town alone at that hour. In which he quickly responded that he was tired. Therefore, I said I would go then. He gave me kisses on the cheeks. Usual greetings, where I am at. Mumbled something about next time, or whatever else he was muttering when I left. Keep in mind this was all indoors, in front of everyone. I was not bothered anymore to hide the fact, it is not as if everyone did not know we have been together.
Why carry such conversations with me, if he was bored, or not interested, I doubt a Ram would unwillingly occupy a woman for that long ?
Why reject me, unwilling to sleep with me twice, does he no longer want it ?
Is he trying to revert the casual connection we have, so that he could rebuild it into something more?
Is he trying to get me to fall in love with his personality, so that I do not always seek out physical satisfaction with him ?
Did he lose interest, if so why would he still approach me and share all that he does, so openly ?
Does he no longer want to be sated, should I ask him ?
Is he trying to regain control, withholding the physical satisfaction, because then I will not be sated, therefore left frustrated ?
Is that his hopes to reignite my desire and interest in him again, because I would be forced to get to know him more ?
Is he punishing me, for venturing out to events, enjoying myself when I am not around him, by withholding ?
He never messages me in between the times, in which we happen to see each other at one of his company locations. Again, I never know if he is at work, or not. It just so happens that every time, that I do go I always bump into him. It was never planned. In fact, if we do not bump into one another, I am not even sure if we would see one another. Since he never writes. If he was truly interested in me, I would think a Ram would chase quite a fair amount but he never seems bothered to keep in touch in between. Yet, when we do see each other he shares as much as he does. I should think if a Ram, disliked you he would make it known. From his recent body language though, I cannot tell. Everything seems all over the place, he seems interested but not interested. The desire to speak with me, to trust me, but with the rejection of not wanting to sleep together due to his excuses of being tired, or business (they could be valid excuses, but nothing stopped him from wanting it in the past). However, as we know from past experiences, he hides a lot of his emotions when he feel it is not safe for him to express it.
What do you suggest, to remain at a distance, to see if he would like to meet me when we both have free time, to message him to initiate something, to ask him if he would even still want to sleep together or ... ?
[The night after we met, the artist came and performed. He posted a photograph of him with her, thanking her, complimenting her, smiling rather happily with her, and the body language seemed to show him rather pleased. He never complimented like so before, in public. Granted, he always posts a photograph with another woman every time in which we had met the previous day. Always, routinely he does so.]
Now @IamTheRam, I am exhausted with my triple diary entries. You will have to make do for now.
In regards to that thread about the female Ram, it was more so for background information. You do not need to respond with advice, it came to my realisation it was more of my need to vent about her disrespect rather than not.
In regards to that thread about the female Ram, it was more so for background information. You do not need to respond with advice, it came to my realisation it was more of my need to vent about her disrespect rather than not.
@TheLadyScorpio
God damn it TLS...there are just so many........Timelines.... 😆
Hehe
Is this still aplicable ? If so i will check it out and give you a feedback ^^
*2 months latter*
Me: "So TLS, is this still also aplicable ?!.."
You: "He already passed away, thanks alot for the *feedback*..."
😆
God damn it TLS...there are just so many........Timelines.... 😆
Hehe
Is this still aplicable ? If so i will check it out and give you a feedback ^^
*2 months latter*
Me: "So TLS, is this still also aplicable ?!.."
You: "He already passed away, thanks alot for the *feedback*..."
😆
Posted by IamTheRam
@TheLadyScorpio
God damn it TLS...there are just so many........Timelines.... 😆
Hehe
Is this still aplicable ? If so i will check it out and give you a feedback ^^
*2 months latter*
Me: "So TLS, is this still also aplicable ?!.."
You: "He already passed away, thanks alot for the *feedback*..."
😆
It was applicable @IamTheRam, except since that time.
About a month ago, I happened to visit that place, where I often bump into him. Upon arrival, he called me baby and other endearing names etc in front of everyone. It was a surprise to everyone as he never did so before. He made certain whatever I had, was complimentary and under his bill. Which had not happened in quite some time. Except, once I went outside to enjoy the night breeze, he proceeded to avoid me. He would sit within my line of vision but purposely chose to be cold, and did not approach me.
He did this once, then the second time, he came out with a cocktail for himself, and for that female Ram coworker of his. They both sat together, directly in front of me but a few tables away. Her talking his ear off, whilst he kept looking my way, leaning back into the chair away from her. I felt humiliated, as he was so warm with me when I was inside. When outside, on the terrace area, he was cold. To add damage unto that, he chose her company. Since I was completely gutted, as if slapped across the face, but had enough pride to know I would not shirk away as if afraid of the situation. I will not be intimidated, and will remain a lady, generous.
I finished my drink, proceeded to walk directly to their table. Remaining composed, and classy, whilst bidding them a lovely evening together and good night. Kisses on the cheeks, as per the usual greetings of where we are. I did it first to her, her facial expression was of complete shock as I figured she probably expected me to be humiliated enough to simply leave and disappear. She did not expect me to have balls of steel, enough to proceed as elegantly as I did. I smiled at her, and then proceeded to do the same to the Ram gent. He looked almost frightened, and scared of me, that I could remain so calm, collected, and composed. No sign of anger, demands, nor drama. Inside, however I was dying. Then, I left.
Since that time, I had not returned to the place or any establishments under his company. It has been a month, he has not heard from me nor seen me. The humiliation of it all, the memory of it, kept me away. As I licked my wounds, and tried to recover from that painful experience. Neither has he reached out, so it must mean I did not matter to him at all. He did however, post a few photographs of him and the Ram female at work. They always look exceedingly awkward, formal, and uncomfortable in any photographs together. If not outright nervous, or frightened.
As it stands, I do not know what to do. Though the memory of that night, has since faded a little as I am working on forgiving him for his disappointments and flaws. For my sake, not for his, so I could move on from the pain of that night.
Is it over ?
Also @IamTheRam, I must say in the photographs he has posted about work or in company videos. He has since increasingly looked more and more distressed. As if he had not slept in a very long time, it almost looks as if he is barely managing to function or pull through the day. The most recent video, he almost looks like he does not have it together.
From a distance, I do find myself worrying about him. Even if only for the sake of being concerned over someone I had cared for. It really does not look like he is doing well.
From a distance, I do find myself worrying about him. Even if only for the sake of being concerned over someone I had cared for. It really does not look like he is doing well.
Posted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by IamTheRam
@TheLadyScorpio
God damn it TLS...there are just so many........Timelines.... 😆
Hehe
Is this still aplicable ? If so i will check it out and give you a feedback ^^
*2 months latter*
Me: "So TLS, is this still also aplicable ?!.."
You: "He already passed away, thanks alot for the *feedback*..."
😆
It was applicable @IamTheRam, except since that time.
About a month ago, I happened to visit that place, where I often bump into him. Upon arrival, he called me baby and other endearing names etc in front of everyone. It was a surprise to everyone as he never did so before. He made certain whatever I had, was complimentary and under his bill. Which had not happened in quite some time. Except, once I went outside to enjoy the night breeze, he proceeded to avoid me. He would sit within my line of vision but purposely chose to be cold, and did not approach me.
He did this once, then the second time, he came out with a cocktail for himself, and for that female Ram coworker of his. They both sat together, directly in front of me but a few tables away. Her talking his ear off, whilst he kept looking my way, leaning back into the chair away from her. I felt humiliated, as he was so warm with me when I was inside. When outside, on the terrace area, he was cold. To add damage unto that, he chose her company. Since I was completely gutted, as if slapped across the face, but had enough pride to know I would not shirk away as if afraid of the situation. I will not be intimidated, and will remain a lady, generous.
I finished my drink, proceeded to walk directly to their table. Remaining composed, and classy, whilst bidding them a lovely evening together and good night. Kisses on the cheeks, as per the usual greetings of where we are. I did it first to her, her facial expression was of complete shock as I figured she probably excepted me to be humiliated enough to simply leave and disappear. She did not except me to have balls of steel, enough to proceed as elegantly as I did. I smiled at her, and then proceeded to do the same to the Ram gent. He looked almost frightened, and scared of me, that I could remain so calm, collected, and composed. No sign of anger, demands, nor drama. Inside, however I was dying. Then, I left.
Since that time, I had not returned to the place or any establishments under his company. It has been a month, he has not heard from me nor seen me. The humiliation of it all, the memory of it, kept me away. As I licked my wounds, and tried to recover from that painful experience. Neither has he reached out, so it must mean I did not matter to him at all. He did however, post a few photographs of him and the Ram female at work. They always look exceedingly awkward, formal, and uncomfortable in any photographs together. If not outright nervous, or frightened.
As it stands, I do not know what to do. Though the memory of that night, has since faded a little as I am working on forgiving him for his disappointments and flaws. For my sake, not for his, so I could move on from the pain of that night.
Is it over ?click to expand
Why didn't you say so ? I figured you were done with it !
Hummm...stiff again TLS ?....arff lol
This is my conclusion on your reaction after he called you baby and stuff like that just by reading this....how was it that you reacted to all of it ?...
Don't take me wrong at all, I do know you must have tons of reasons for it, and try to see what i am about to say in a good way, but it almost seems like you are afraid of just *being* a Woman with him !
You are a woman ! And this guy is an Aries w\ venus Aries...In a way, he wants reactions !!...he want's drama !!...he want's you to be a Woman so he can be a Man !
Ok, listen...this might seem at first like a twisted thing of perception about the actual reality of a man and a woman in modern society, but let tell you a bit on how Aries sees it.
If you are not his woman (damsel in distress lol), how in hell can he be your man (knight in shining armor lol) ?
And from what i can tell...you are not giving that to him like...at all ! 🙂
It doesn't mean that you can't have your own opinion and follow it, do your own things, be very independent, have your own job and house, etc etc, and you actualy really (!!!) should do all of it !!!! This way you are showing him that you can stand tall with him anywhere, and that he can't ever fck up with a woman like you !!....but it's like...if i am with my woman, like anywhere on this planet, if i want to kiss her...i really hope she kisses me back 10x harder, you know ? Anywhere...I just don't care about abyone else...like literally 0 fcks given, it's me and her and that's it...(and i actualy reallyyyyy want to rub on the faces of everyone else just on How Awesome (!!) both of us are...lol it is what is and this is how i am...lol oh well... ^^)
So i can only guess that you actualy reacted a bit stiff when he called you all this things in front of his freinds...and your reaction...was not what he expected...at all....lol
Remember his ego 🙂
Hummm...so many miscomunications...and then he tries to make you jealous because he is pissed with you...and then you give him nothing and you even go there to give him a kiss to both of them...lol...that was a really hard blow on him xD
Haaa oh well...Pride 🙂
Another question TLS, i know and can see that you are keeping your pride here to the max and giving him no quarter at all ! But let me ask you something....are you happy ? 🙂
This is not over at all... 🙂
But how are you communicating with him now ? Any subtlie hints for hin on Social Media ? What are you giving to him for him to come back to you again...and again...and again.. ? 🙂
I will keep in touch and try to help you out on this one, be it any decision that you want to follow through 🙂
Posted by TheLadyScorpio
Also @IamTheRam, I must say in the photographs he has posted about work or in company videos. He has since increasingly looked more and more distressed. As if he had not slept in a very long time, it almost looks as if he is barely managing to function or pull through the day. The most recent video, he almost looks like he does not have it together.
From a distance, I do find myself worrying about him. Even if only for the sake of being concerned over someone I had cared for. It really does not look like he is doing well.
Yeah...it is obvious he is not doing well...lool he is clueless on how to act towards you at all hehe
And the worst part is that...you both like each other...^^
Don't worry...we will try to figure a way out of this one hehe but you know you will have to *bend* a bit more...^^
Drama TLS...drama...it allways works with Aries lool
Be moody ! Just...you know...Be Things ! Hehe ^^
Posted by IamTheRamPosted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by IamTheRam
@TheLadyScorpio
God damn it TLS...there are just so many........Timelines.... 😆
Hehe
Is this still aplicable ? If so i will check it out and give you a feedback ^^
*2 months latter*
Me: "So TLS, is this still also aplicable ?!.."
You: "He already passed away, thanks alot for the *feedback*..."
😆
It was applicable @IamTheRam, except since that time.
About a month ago, I happened to visit that place, where I often bump into him. Upon arrival, he called me baby and other endearing names etc in front of everyone. It was a surprise to everyone as he never did so before. He made certain whatever I had, was complimentary and under his bill. Which had not happened in quite some time. Except, once I went outside to enjoy the night breeze, he proceeded to avoid me. He would sit within my line of vision but purposely chose to be cold, and did not approach me.
He did this once, then the second time, he came out with a cocktail for himself, and for that female Ram coworker of his. They both sat together, directly in front of me but a few tables away. Her talking his ear off, whilst he kept looking my way, leaning back into the chair away from her. I felt humiliated, as he was so warm with me when I was inside. When outside, on the terrace area, he was cold. To add damage unto that, he chose her company. Since I was completely gutted, as if slapped across the face, but had enough pride to know I would not shirk away as if afraid of the situation. I will not be intimidated, and will remain a lady, generous.
I finished my drink, proceeded to walk directly to their table. Remaining composed, and classy, whilst bidding them a lovely evening together and good night. Kisses on the cheeks, as per the usual greetings of where we are. I did it first to her, her facial expression was of complete shock as I figured she probably excepted me to be humiliated enough to simply leave and disappear. She did not except me to have balls of steel, enough to proceed as elegantly as I did. I smiled at her, and then proceeded to do the same to the Ram gent. He looked almost frightened, and scared of me, that I could remain so calm, collected, and composed. No sign of anger, demands, nor drama. Inside, however I was dying. Then, I left.
Since that time, I had not returned to the place or any establishments under his company. It has been a month, he has not heard from me nor seen me. The humiliation of it all, the memory of it, kept me away. As I licked my wounds, and tried to recover from that painful experience. Neither has he reached out, so it must mean I did not matter to him at all. He did however, post a few photographs of him and the Ram female at work. They always look exceedingly awkward, formal, and uncomfortable in any photographs together. If not outright nervous, or frightened.
As it stands, I do not know what to do. Though the memory of that night, has since faded a little as I am working on forgiving him for his disappointments and flaws. For my sake, not for his, so I could move on from the pain of that night.
Is it over ?
Why didn't you say so ? I figured you were done with it !
Hummm...stiff again TLS ?....arff lol
This is my conclusion on your reaction after he called you baby and stuff like that just by reading this....how was it that you reacted to all of it ?...
Don't take me wrong at all, I do know you must have tons of reasons for it, and try to see what i am about to say in a good way, but it almost seems like you are afraid of just *being* a Woman with him !
You are a woman ! And this guy is an Aries w\ venus Aries...In a way, he wants reactions !!...he want's drama !!...he want's you to be a Woman so he can be a Man !
Ok, listen...this might seem at first like a twisted thing of perception about the actual reality of a man and a woman in modern society, but let tell you a bit on how Aries sees it.
If you are not his woman (damsel in distress lol), how in hell can he be your man (knight in shining armor lol) ?
And from what i can tell...you are not giving that to him like...at all ! 🙂
It doesn't mean that you can't have your own opinion and follow it, do your own things, be very independent, have your own job and house, etc etc, and you actualy really (!!!) should do all of it !!!! This way you are showing him that you can stand tall with him anywhere, and that he can't ever fck up with a woman like you !!....but it's like...if i am with my woman, like anywhere on this planet, if i want to kiss her...i really hope she kisses me back 10x harder, you know ? Anywhere...I just don't care about abyone else...like literally 0 fcks given, it's me and her and that's it...(and i actualy reallyyyyy want to rub on the faces of everyone else just on How Awesome (!!) both of us are...lol it is what is and this is how i am...lol oh well... ^^)
So i can only guess that you actualy reacted a bit stiff when he called you all this things in front of his freinds...and your reaction...was not what he expected...at all....lol
Remember his ego 🙂
Hummm...so many miscomunications...and then he tries to make you jealous because he is pissed with you...and then you give him nothing and you even go there to give him a kiss to both of them...lol...that was a really hard blow on him xD
Haaa oh well...Pride 🙂
Another question TLS, i know and can see that you are keeping your pride here to the max and giving him no quarter at all ! But let me ask you something....are you happy ? 🙂
This is not over at all... 🙂
But how are you communicating with him now ? Any subtlie hints for hin on Social Media ? What are you giving to him for him to come back to you again...and again...and again.. ? 🙂
I will keep in touch and try to help you out on this one, be it any decision that you want to follow through 🙂click to expand
When he called me all those names, I reacted with a smile. He was busy, so he used those terms of endearments here and there. When he would chat with me for a minute and be off again. This was all when we were indoors. However, this was his professional environment. I would not have used the same endearments towards him, in front of all those people who work under his company. It would not have seemed right.
You were right, at the time I was cautious of being a woman around him only because he rejected me so many times before. Also every time I tried to be a woman around him, he would go cold and not react. Therefore, I was very conscious of the fact that I must hold back less he thinks I was pushing myself unto him. Now, obviously with a month having passed. I feel much more rational and clear headed, less afraid to simply be myself. After past miscommunications, have already happened. Whatever misunderstandings that were, are let go of.
Of course, I was not happy. It was a painful month. Firstly, I knew I had to keep myself away from any of the establishment under his company because I needed to gain perspective over the entire situation and my own emotions. Secondly, the memory of that night was seared into my mind, so it took a lot of time and personal reflection before I realised I had to forgive him in order to not have it haunt me. Thirdly, that forgiveness took a while because it hurt what he did that evening. To work past the humiliation that I felt, took a lot of self awareness on my part. Once I let go of the ego, and the pride. Adamant, to be rid of the power plays and probably manipulations that were at play on both our parts. Resolute in being myself, that decision in combination with the beginnings of forgiveness, the pain has now lessened.
However, I am not sure if I am at a place where I could bear to bump into him yet again. Perhaps, I am almost there, nearly. Seeing him as distressed as he has been, that does pull at me, and it worries me. I cannot help it, nobody wants to see someone they had cared for, in any position like that. He looks a shell of his former being, I probably did not know him long but I certainly knew him well enough. Enough to read him, to know he must be suffering over something.
We have not been communicating at all. Perhaps a social media hint that I had missed some of those establishments. They were my frequent haunts, and I missed the breeze at that location. It was a place where I used to go after a difficult work day to destress, to relax. I have not reached out to him, neither has he reached out to me. Which made me think, perhaps he never cared, especially if he never initiated anything. After all, you once told me if a Ram truly wants someone. He will do whatever he could to pursue her.
Should I write him, or visit one of those establishments again ?
Posted by IamTheRamPosted by TheLadyScorpio
Also @IamTheRam, I must say in the photographs he has posted about work or in company videos. He has since increasingly looked more and more distressed. As if he had not slept in a very long time, it almost looks as if he is barely managing to function or pull through the day. The most recent video, he almost looks like he does not have it together.
From a distance, I do find myself worrying about him. Even if only for the sake of being concerned over someone I had cared for. It really does not look like he is doing well.
Yeah...it is obvious he is not doing well...lool he is clueless on how to act towards you at all hehe
And the worst part is that...you both like each other...^^
Don't worry...we will try to figure a way out of this one hehe but you know you will have to *bend* a bit more...^^
Drama TLS...drama...it allways works with Aries lool
Be moody ! Just...you know...Be Things ! Hehe ^^click to expand
However, I do know someone close to him has just been diagnosed with Cancer. They just began chemotherapy. Therefore, that might be on his mind and bothering him. I am not self absorbed enough to think that he is distressed over me. It could be that, that is causing him to look the way he is.
Perhaps, he wishes I might have been around to support him as he goes through this period of time ?
I do not know.
What I do know is this, I am worried about him. He did always say, he did not have many true friends around him where we are.
@IamTheRam
Eventually decided to reach out, could not bear seeing someone in that state or condition without at least asking how they are doing. Short, brief, but light message and also enquired about his work, whether that was going great etc.
He was around when I sent it. Though he has yet to read or reply it, he seemed to have ignored it. 😐
I will give him some time and space. After all, its been a month of silence since he last saw or spoke with me.
Eventually decided to reach out, could not bear seeing someone in that state or condition without at least asking how they are doing. Short, brief, but light message and also enquired about his work, whether that was going great etc.
He was around when I sent it. Though he has yet to read or reply it, he seemed to have ignored it. 😐
I will give him some time and space. After all, its been a month of silence since he last saw or spoke with me.
@IamTheRam
He finally replied, however he avoided answering my question as to how he was faring. Though he did update me briefly about work, even branching off unto details I never asked. He was rather stiff and kept things rather curt. That was until, I complimented him saying he looked good in his new suits. Which he then coyly said thanks and immediately asked if I had meant the grey one. I knew he asked this to dig for more information from me. A hint to see if I cared or missed him, I suppose. Bloody Rams. 😈
Now, he only wore the grey one a few days ago. However, he has since gotten three new suits (which I knew because of the tailoring incident from months prior). In the month, that I kept away, he had worn all three suits. The grey being most recent, then followed by a black, and the oldest, which he wore three weeks ago was blue. He looked best in the blue. He was cheeky, trying to fish to see if I had paid attention to his social media this entire month. Of course, I did. 😆
I told him he looked good in all of them, but he looked best in the blue. Who knew, Ram gents enjoyed compliments that much. I thought that was reserved for the Leonine gents. Well, that put him in a brilliant mood and for once he laughed, flirting with me through messages. That in itself, was a first. After all this, and my compliments. He said noted (I suppose he meant he will note my preference of what looked good on him ?). In which I told him, Just note blue! (proceeding to tell him everything that he had worn that was in blue), because you look good in that colour. 😄 He did not reply to that last compliment. 😐
As said before in the previous posts, I took it upon myself to be as authentic as possible. No power plays, no manipulations, no egos, nor pride. Purely said, what I thought was true, in the moment, and without thinking too much.
He finally replied, however he avoided answering my question as to how he was faring. Though he did update me briefly about work, even branching off unto details I never asked. He was rather stiff and kept things rather curt. That was until, I complimented him saying he looked good in his new suits. Which he then coyly said thanks and immediately asked if I had meant the grey one. I knew he asked this to dig for more information from me. A hint to see if I cared or missed him, I suppose. Bloody Rams. 😈
Now, he only wore the grey one a few days ago. However, he has since gotten three new suits (which I knew because of the tailoring incident from months prior). In the month, that I kept away, he had worn all three suits. The grey being most recent, then followed by a black, and the oldest, which he wore three weeks ago was blue. He looked best in the blue. He was cheeky, trying to fish to see if I had paid attention to his social media this entire month. Of course, I did. 😆
I told him he looked good in all of them, but he looked best in the blue. Who knew, Ram gents enjoyed compliments that much. I thought that was reserved for the Leonine gents. Well, that put him in a brilliant mood and for once he laughed, flirting with me through messages. That in itself, was a first. After all this, and my compliments. He said noted (I suppose he meant he will note my preference of what looked good on him ?). In which I told him, Just note blue! (proceeding to tell him everything that he had worn that was in blue), because you look good in that colour. 😄 He did not reply to that last compliment. 😐
As said before in the previous posts, I took it upon myself to be as authentic as possible. No power plays, no manipulations, no egos, nor pride. Purely said, what I thought was true, in the moment, and without thinking too much.
Haaa shit i just lost my huge message now...my cellphone blocked....lool seriously i really reallyyyyyy hate cellphones.... xD
Ok TLS, gonna read what you just typed and get back to you !
(Shitttt i need to work !! Well...not really, i am changing company next week lool)
Ok ! I will get to it ! After lunch....lool
I will be back ! I just read the start of your last message and it seems like good news hehe ^^
Ok TLS, gonna read what you just typed and get back to you !
(Shitttt i need to work !! Well...not really, i am changing company next week lool)
Ok ! I will get to it ! After lunch....lool
I will be back ! I just read the start of your last message and it seems like good news hehe ^^
Posted by IamTheRam
Haaa shit i just lost my huge message now...my cellphone blocked....lool seriously i really reallyyyyyy hate cellphones.... xD
Ok TLS, gonna read what you just typed and get back to you !
(Shitttt i need to work !! Well...not really, i am changing company next week lool)
Ok ! I will get to it ! After lunch....lool
I will be back ! I just read the start of your last message and it seems like good news hehe ^^
I should hope to get to hear all your thoughts.
Though I must say, I still feel he is tense and a bit stiff in our interactions unlike how he is with all these other women.
Posted by TheLadyScorpio
@IamTheRam
He finally replied, however he avoided answering my question as to how he was faring. Though he did update me briefly about work, even branching off unto details I never asked. He was rather stiff and kept things rather curt. That was until, I complimented him saying he looked good in his new suits. Which he then coyly said thanks and immediately asked if I had meant the grey one. I knew he asked this to dig for more information from me. A hint to see if I cared or missed him, I suppose. Bloody Rams. 😈
Now, he only wore the grey one a few days ago. However, he has since gotten three new suits (which I knew because of the tailoring incident from months prior). In the month, that I kept away, he had worn all three suits. The grey being most recent, then followed by a black, and the oldest, which he wore three weeks ago was blue. He looked best in the blue. He was cheeky, trying to fish to see if I had paid attention to his social media this entire month. Of course, I did. 😆
I told him he looked good in all of them, but he looked best in the blue. Who knew, Ram gents enjoyed compliments that much. I thought that was reserved for the Leonine gents. Well, that put him in a brilliant mood and for once he laughed, flirting with me through messages. That in itself, was a first. After all this, and my compliments. He said noted (I suppose he meant he will note my preference of what looked good on him ?). In which I told him, Just note blue! (proceeding to tell him everything that he had worn that was in blue), because you look good in that colour. 😄 He has not replied to that last compliment.
As said before in the previous posts, I took it upon myself to be as authentic as possible. No power plays, no manipulations, no egos, nor pride. Purely said, what I thought was true, in the moment, and without thinking too much.
Ha Ha ! Good News Indeed 😄
All of it is actualy sooo cute tbh hehe you really like him TLS, i can see that 🙂
And yes ! That's where i was heading on my lost message (lol...) be yourself allways, have fun, enjoy the moments and you know...go for it when you feel that you should 🙂
In real life there is no scripts, no guidelines, no cues from above...we simply and just...make do 🙂 we try to understand each others, we see the oportunities and we go for it ! Sometimes it's not that obvious or perfect and maybe it's not like we see in a movie...but in the end it is your story ! And that's the thing that really matters ^^
If both of you can make that the story of you 2...well, that's what time will tell, no need to rush things for now ^^ baby steps ^^ the most important part now is that you both manage to finaly understand and send the right message to each other ! So far it's almost like you 2 were both dancing in a masquerade ball hehe and tbh it's very normal, you are both still getting to know each other ^^
It's better to build something in a very solid foundation, rather then just rushing things that might eventualy crumble in the end, right ? ^^
And yes, i was going to say that, don't push that cancer subject...when it's me, i just don't want to talk about things that are depressing me, what i really want is the exact oposite...is to have fun and relax...have a good time, and that's what you did in this messages ! You both had fun with all the situation ^^
I like to handle things on my own, i don't like to involve other ppl, because it's actualy depressing and i don't want to push my problems into others, you know ?.. if he decides to open up with you...just listen...give him a hug (or something like that depending on the intimacy) and say that he will make it 🙂 (it's on this type of situation that you should actualy treat him like a *kid\baby* hehe ^^)
So yeah, the prides the egos the powerplays...these are the type of things that will actualy get you nowhere...allways know your worth, value yourself...but in the end...be yourself 🙂
As i was reading the start of this.last message i was thinking "why didn't you had fun with all the situation.." as i read the rest, i saw that you did ^^
Have fun, do some flirting ^^ even if the situation is more heavy, just go for it..it's an Aries ! And if you feel like you need to say something...just say it ! It's still an Aries, he will burst and he will shut up hehe and eventualy say sorry to you xD
But keep a bit of mistery also ! Tease him ! Maybe you are watching him...maybe you are not...you know hehe keep him guessing and make him come back for more !! We simply Love that to the max !! ^^
So yeah, I think you are with the right mindset atm ^^ whatever happens, happens and the rest is just life being a bitx hehe ^^
Do keep me updated when you can or if you feel like it ! I will pop up when i can ^^
Take Care TLS and have a good day ! These things always find a way, you will see ^^
Jesus, is this still going on Lady?
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Posted by MyStarsShine
Jesus, is this still going on Lady?
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Well ... 😈
For over a month stars, it had stopped because I kept away from any remote place where I would possibly run into him. During that time, I did not reach out to him and he did not reach out to me either.
Only recently, had I reached out because he was looking disturbingly unlike himself, it worried me.
@IamTheRam
After being away for a month, I finally went back and paid the establishment a visit. He was passing by the same place that day as well. When he saw me his face lit up, and was very open. Perhaps because now I approached it with an energy of being authentically myself. He seemed to mirror it, he was less stiff. However, he was not as intimate in how he spoke with me. Even though everyone stepped away and said they would give us space, to speak with one another. It is as if every time, someone sees us, we give off this energy as if we are together (technically, we are not).
Of course, he made things complimentary and on his bill. In fact, he personally followed up on it. Throughout the night, he was busy, and refused to approach me to properly update each other on life but would look/observe from a far. Which was fine, as I was occupied with my own work. He would come by and make a few entertaining comments, to hopefully see me smile or laugh I suppose but that was all. It was raining outside, therefore I was sat inside. He would sit one table away, facing me, always. He would always face me but not be near me, it was strange. In fact, during that time, I also decided to review this establishment but required a few details confirmed by him. I had to walk up to him and approach him to do so. His face lit up when I did so (as I promised myself no more games, no more ego). Then he proceeded to open up a little, eagerly showing me new projects but even then it was as if he held back.
The other Ram female, that was throwing herself at him before, was there as well. She kept approaching him all night, like a puppy, always asking questions. She spoke with him in another language which she knew I did not know, as all the other ones we all mutually speak. He never looks for her, it was always her going to him. She kept approaching me too, to occupy me with conversation, telling me all about her private life. Whilst he sat one table away, observing, facing directly my way. They were nearly closing, and nothing seemed to be happening. After his having rejected me so many times before, I thought it was most likely better for me to head on home (I had no expectations that I would end up with him that night). So I cheek kissed the Ram female, said my good byes, did the same to him. He was rather uptight and stiff again, if not a bit confused I was leaving and no longer waiting for him.
As soon as I left, he messaged me. I was surprised, he asked why I was not waiting for him. Then proceeded to tell me where to wait for him, and that he will be there in a short while. He gave me no choice, I was simply told to. 😆
When we met up, and the entire way back to his place. It was almost as magical as that first night we met. He was really talkative. We were walking really close together. He would tell me problems about work. Whenever I offered to help should he need it, or provided suggestions. He would ignore me. If I complimented him, he would accept it, initially smiling, then go on to negate it by saying how it is not true. If I compliment him some more, he would keep bringing up other negative things as if to cancel out my kind words. It baffled me, for once I was doing and saying what I felt at the moment without thinking too much. Yet here he is, constantly overthinking, or so I believe.
Arrived at his place, unlike before he made it exceedingly comfortable for me (small details, I thought he had forgotten). Where as in the past, he would complain about the air conditioner (how this thread began in the first place, when he fell sick). This time he put it all on, so that I remained cool. However, his actions and demeanour were a bit detached, if not a bit awkward. I do not know why, he keeps switching between being open and warm to being cold. This time though, the sex was very emotional. It felt like that first week we were together, less passion but more connection. It was magical. He was far more attentive than he ever was, putting in more effort than ever before. Yet even there, I felt when he expressed his need for me as much as I expressed mine for his. He would have a small panic attack, and pull back. I do not know what changed, I do not know why he suddenly felt the need to please me like this, all this effort. He also asked if I liked it far less, and simply expressed himself. He spoke less, and just took action. You did say before, if he expresses something, return the intensity many times over. I did, because that was what I felt.
After being away for a month, I finally went back and paid the establishment a visit. He was passing by the same place that day as well. When he saw me his face lit up, and was very open. Perhaps because now I approached it with an energy of being authentically myself. He seemed to mirror it, he was less stiff. However, he was not as intimate in how he spoke with me. Even though everyone stepped away and said they would give us space, to speak with one another. It is as if every time, someone sees us, we give off this energy as if we are together (technically, we are not).
Of course, he made things complimentary and on his bill. In fact, he personally followed up on it. Throughout the night, he was busy, and refused to approach me to properly update each other on life but would look/observe from a far. Which was fine, as I was occupied with my own work. He would come by and make a few entertaining comments, to hopefully see me smile or laugh I suppose but that was all. It was raining outside, therefore I was sat inside. He would sit one table away, facing me, always. He would always face me but not be near me, it was strange. In fact, during that time, I also decided to review this establishment but required a few details confirmed by him. I had to walk up to him and approach him to do so. His face lit up when I did so (as I promised myself no more games, no more ego). Then he proceeded to open up a little, eagerly showing me new projects but even then it was as if he held back.
The other Ram female, that was throwing herself at him before, was there as well. She kept approaching him all night, like a puppy, always asking questions. She spoke with him in another language which she knew I did not know, as all the other ones we all mutually speak. He never looks for her, it was always her going to him. She kept approaching me too, to occupy me with conversation, telling me all about her private life. Whilst he sat one table away, observing, facing directly my way. They were nearly closing, and nothing seemed to be happening. After his having rejected me so many times before, I thought it was most likely better for me to head on home (I had no expectations that I would end up with him that night). So I cheek kissed the Ram female, said my good byes, did the same to him. He was rather uptight and stiff again, if not a bit confused I was leaving and no longer waiting for him.
As soon as I left, he messaged me. I was surprised, he asked why I was not waiting for him. Then proceeded to tell me where to wait for him, and that he will be there in a short while. He gave me no choice, I was simply told to. 😆
When we met up, and the entire way back to his place. It was almost as magical as that first night we met. He was really talkative. We were walking really close together. He would tell me problems about work. Whenever I offered to help should he need it, or provided suggestions. He would ignore me. If I complimented him, he would accept it, initially smiling, then go on to negate it by saying how it is not true. If I compliment him some more, he would keep bringing up other negative things as if to cancel out my kind words. It baffled me, for once I was doing and saying what I felt at the moment without thinking too much. Yet here he is, constantly overthinking, or so I believe.
Arrived at his place, unlike before he made it exceedingly comfortable for me (small details, I thought he had forgotten). Where as in the past, he would complain about the air conditioner (how this thread began in the first place, when he fell sick). This time he put it all on, so that I remained cool. However, his actions and demeanour were a bit detached, if not a bit awkward. I do not know why, he keeps switching between being open and warm to being cold. This time though, the sex was very emotional. It felt like that first week we were together, less passion but more connection. It was magical. He was far more attentive than he ever was, putting in more effort than ever before. Yet even there, I felt when he expressed his need for me as much as I expressed mine for his. He would have a small panic attack, and pull back. I do not know what changed, I do not know why he suddenly felt the need to please me like this, all this effort. He also asked if I liked it far less, and simply expressed himself. He spoke less, and just took action. You did say before, if he expresses something, return the intensity many times over. I did, because that was what I felt.
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