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What Midheaven would you choose to have?
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I would choose Taurus, the artist
I have Capricorn
I have Capricorn
Posted by P6X58DEI'm a Cap MC also !
Cap oh wait.. i am Cap.
Posted by P6X58DEAre you successful? No problems?
Cap oh wait.. i am Cap.
Posted by MyStarsShineWhy? Tau MC are slow, stupid, incapable, can't change course even over 20 years....l know l am one.
I would choose Taurus, the artist
I have Capricorn
Btw, Taurus MC are good farmers and real estate agents. Like Donald Trump.
Sagittarius, I have Scorpio :o
Posted by bumboklattHow we display ourselves is the Ascendant or the 1st house.
I don't think it's exactly the social role. It's the way in which we display ourselves publicly, like a persona of sorts.
Capricornian themes. Social role would be the house the sun is placed in.
Capricorn is about public life, status, ambition, career and etc.
The 10th house is the house of our social role, our position in the society, the kind " fame " we have in the neighborhood.
The Sun is related to Leo and the 5th house, its about our ego. The sun is related to the mark we want to leave in this world. An Aries sun wants to be known for his enterprises, a Cancer sun for his family and so on...Where your natal Sun is placed show the area of your life where you desire to shine, to be on the spotlight.
Something like...the sun is what you want, the MC is what you get.
IMO, of course.
And this is why our ASC square MC, because the type of person we appear to be affects directly our social role.
I like Virgo MC..
I have Pisces MC
I have Pisces MC
Aries/Aqua
I have Pisces MC
I have Pisces MC
Who wants Gemini—
Clearance, I can trade or sell lol
Clearance, I can trade or sell lol
Posted by pisceanlovesill trade ya for cancer lol
Who wants Gemini—
Clearance, I can trade or sell lol
Posted by tctaI'm a Cap MC too and it's what I would have wished for so I'm keeping it. It's one bright spot in my chart that I really like.Posted by P6X58DEI'm a Cap MC also !
Cap oh wait.. i am Cap.click to expand
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Posted by NotSoInstantThanks, good info.Posted by bumboklattYou and raad are right in a sorta way lolPosted by raad182Good way of putting it. I agree to some degree.Posted by bumboklattHow we display ourselves is the Ascendant or the 1st house.
I don't think it's exactly the social role. It's the way in which we display ourselves publicly, like a persona of sorts.
Capricornian themes. Social role would be the house the sun is placed in.
Capricorn is about public life, status, ambition, career and etc.
The 10th house is the house of our social role, our position in the society, the kind " fame " we have in the neighborhood.
The Sun is related to Leo and the 5th house, its about our ego. The sun is related to the mark we want to leave in this world. An Aries sun wants to be known for his enterprises, a Cancer sun for his family and so on...Where your natal Sun is placed show the area of your life where you desire to shine, to be on the spotlight.
Something like...the sun is what you want, the MC is what you get.
IMO, of course.
MC is about the social life and status, how the external world(public not your immediate circle) perceives you.... the image that we achieve or strive to build. Or how we are seen by the "outsiders"
And, thought I should correct what was said by raad.
ASC doesn't square the MC for all of us..... ASC square MC is common for those born in and around the equators. And the various house sizes change for those born around and above the Tropics, so IC/MC and ASC/Desc may not aspect each other
When ASC squares MC, those people can easily differentiate their private life from their public life and they maintain it well. What you see may not be what you get, doesn't necessarily mean they are secretive.
Taking me as an ex, I'm born around the equato, so my ASC squares my MC. I have Taurus rising and I can be very loving and homely around my bf and close friends but I have an aqua MC... And most people find it hard to believe I work in BioMed research... I'm a nerd at my work place.
I typed this post in a hurry.... Will come back and edit it.
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Posted by Infinite8i have Leo as well 🙂
I would choose :
Taurus - The Artist
Leo - The Star
Aqua - The Genius
I have Leo - The Star
Posted by TerramineLightvoidI used those titles in order to provide a theme for every MC, of course there are aspects, planets and other combinations that will provide a more valuable information.Posted by raad182
Midheaven = 10th house cusp...Our social role.
Aries - The pioneer
Taurus - The artist
Gemini - The communicator
Cancer - The caregiver
Leo - The star
Virgo - The worker
Libra - The diplomat
Scorpio - The power hungry
Saggitarius - The explorer
Capricorn - The ambitious
Aquarius - The genius
Pisces - The fantasy
I think you mean: Aquarius - The Nutcase
At best Aquariuses are innovative. Massive difference.
Best one for Aquarius is Lone Wanderer tbh.
Also you're boiling some of these down too specifically. Like yeah Leo Midheaven definitely would make for your typical star. But it could also be "The King" especially if we are talking about dudes. Or "The Winner", "The Conqueror", etc.
Also, quite simply, The Best. So duh, who wouldn't pick The Best? I wouldn't trade my Leo Mid for nothin.click to expand
Aquarius is the genius but line between a genius and a nutcase is to thin. You need to be a little bit crazy in order to be a genius. You need to be able to see things where most people cant see.
When you say " everybody wants to be a Leo " you are misusing all your astrological knowledge. Every person has different tastes, needs, wishes and etc...Not everybody wants to be on the stage.
A Leo MC could indicate that a person would be exposed a lot when this same person could have a lot of Scorpio in their natal chart, this would be a burden.
Posted by TerramineLightvoidI disagree with the MC representing your destiny, I don't think so and everything you wrote about the MC comes to the same thing I said, social role.Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by bumboklattYou and raad are right in a sorta way lolPosted by raad182Good way of putting it. I agree to some degree.Posted by bumboklattHow we display ourselves is the Ascendant or the 1st house.
I don't think it's exactly the social role. It's the way in which we display ourselves publicly, like a persona of sorts.
Capricornian themes. Social role would be the house the sun is placed in.
Capricorn is about public life, status, ambition, career and etc.
The 10th house is the house of our social role, our position in the society, the kind " fame " we have in the neighborhood.
The Sun is related to Leo and the 5th house, its about our ego. The sun is related to the mark we want to leave in this world. An Aries sun wants to be known for his enterprises, a Cancer sun for his family and so on...Where your natal Sun is placed show the area of your life where you desire to shine, to be on the spotlight.
Something like...the sun is what you want, the MC is what you get.
IMO, of course.
MC is about the social life and status, how the external world(public not your immediate circle) perceives you.... the image that we achieve or strive to build. Or how we are seen by the "outsiders"
And, thought I should correct what was said by raad.
ASC doesn't square the MC for all of us..... ASC square MC is common for those born in and around the equators. And the various house sizes change for those born around and above the Tropics, so IC/MC and ASC/Desc may not aspect each other
When ASC squares MC, those people can easily differentiate their private life from their public life and they maintain it well. What you see may not be what you get, doesn't necessarily mean they are secretive.
Taking me as an ex, I'm born around the equato, so my ASC squares my MC. I have Taurus rising and I can be very loving and homely around my bf and close friends but I have an aqua MC... And most people find it hard to believe I work in BioMed research... I'm a nerd at my work place.
I typed this post in a hurry.... Will come back and edit it.
Why do people always downplay the Midheaven so much? The placements are what they are largely by the nature of that celestial objects nature. For instance the ASC is HOW you appear and interact and impact others. It is how you ASCEND through the world. It isn't just a mask or whatever. It is your Modus operandi.
But note that this matches the fact that the Ascendant is the sign that was on the horizon. Which quite literally means the sign that was symbolically en-route to the Midheaven position when you were born. Because when you imagine something on the horizon. You imagine it rising up over it. Make sense? It is literally saying that the Ascendant is HOW you go about achieving your Midheaven.
The Midheaven itself is the sign that was basically above you at the highest point. So what could that possibly symbolize? Oh yeah. Your Top Position. Your full realization, your place in things, your role, your purpose, your destiny, etc.
It isn't merely social role. It is literally the functional role you serve period. Both local and public. For instance a Leo Midheaven would be a Father/Master/Alpha/King type figure. Even if they have never had children, taught in a school of any sort, sat on any formal throne, etc.
You have to grasp that how the public sees you is tied to the mythological transcendence of your actual functional role. You mark the public based on your actions and accomplishments.click to expand
The MC is simply your position in the society, how you are seen by the whole society not only your friends, family, lover and etc. Its who you are for those who aren't you or close to you. Its your label and all of the other things you said are just consequence of this.
You could have a Leo MC and be known as a bossy person, egostical or even a ditactor. In Astrology there is no such thing as " The best " or " The worst ", every zodiac sign has its pros and cons, strenghts and weaknesses.
When you say that a Leo MC is the best, its because the social role of a Leo is much more valuable in TODAY society than the others, but it doesnt guarantee a good fame or a honorable position.
I would choose saggitarius
I have virgo
I have virgo
Posted by Seasoncan I ask why ? I haven't studied that much at all - I am ok with what and who I am at this point - it is what it is - but I like figuring out why it is and what makes it that way and learn ways to utilize the good stuff ...Posted by tctaI'm a Cap MC too and it's what I would have wished for so I'm keeping it. It's one bright spot in my chart that I really like.Posted by P6X58DEI'm a Cap MC also !
Cap oh wait.. i am Cap.
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Posted by tctaCap is at its best in the 10th house which it rules.Posted by Seasoncan I ask why ? I haven't studied that much at all - I am ok with what and who I am at this point - it is what it is - but I like figuring out why it is and what makes it that way and learn ways to utilize the good stuff ...Posted by tctaI'm a Cap MC too and it's what I would have wished for so I'm keeping it. It's one bright spot in my chart that I really like.Posted by P6X58DEI'm a Cap MC also !
Cap oh wait.. i am Cap.
🙂
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Posted by Seasonhow do I know if mine is in the 10th house ? sorry, I'm a bit of an astro virgin ...Posted by tctaCap is at its best in the 10th house which it rules.Posted by Seasoncan I ask why ? I haven't studied that much at all - I am ok with what and who I am at this point - it is what it is - but I like figuring out why it is and what makes it that way and learn ways to utilize the good stuff ...Posted by tctaI'm a Cap MC too and it's what I would have wished for so I'm keeping it. It's one bright spot in my chart that I really like.Posted by P6X58DEI'm a Cap MC also !
Cap oh wait.. i am Cap.
🙂
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Posted by tctaDo a natal chart at astro.com. They'll tell you where your midheaven (MC) 10th house is and what planets and asteroids are there if any.Posted by Seasonhow do I know if mine is in the 10th house ? sorry, I'm a bit of an astro virgin ...Posted by tctaCap is at its best in the 10th house which it rules.Posted by Seasoncan I ask why ? I haven't studied that much at all - I am ok with what and who I am at this point - it is what it is - but I like figuring out why it is and what makes it that way and learn ways to utilize the good stuff ...Posted by tctaI'm a Cap MC too and it's what I would have wished for so I'm keeping it. It's one bright spot in my chart that I really like.Posted by P6X58DEI'm a Cap MC also !
Cap oh wait.. i am Cap.
🙂
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Posted by SeasonK thanks!Posted by tctaDo a natal chart at astro.com. They'll tell you where your midheaven (MC) 10th house is and what planets and asteroids are there if any.Posted by Seasonhow do I know if mine is in the 10th house ? sorry, I'm a bit of an astro virgin ...Posted by tctaCap is at its best in the 10th house which it rules.Posted by Seasoncan I ask why ? I haven't studied that much at all - I am ok with what and who I am at this point - it is what it is - but I like figuring out why it is and what makes it that way and learn ways to utilize the good stuff ...Posted by tctaI'm a Cap MC too and it's what I would have wished for so I'm keeping it. It's one bright spot in my chart that I really like.Posted by P6X58DEI'm a Cap MC also !
Cap oh wait.. i am Cap.
🙂
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Posted by bricklemarkA lot of celebrities have Taurus MC. Like Beyonce, she's comfortable at the topPosted by MyStarsShineWhy? Tau MC are slow, stupid, incapable, can't change course even over 20 years....l know l am one.
I would choose Taurus, the artist
I have Capricorn
Btw, Taurus MC are good farmers and real estate agents. Like Donald Trump.click to expand
Posted by LilianniAnd once tey're at the top they're not movin...Posted by bricklemarkA lot of celebrities have Taurus MC. Like Beyonce, she's comfortable at the topPosted by MyStarsShineWhy? Tau MC are slow, stupid, incapable, can't change course even over 20 years....l know l am one.
I would choose Taurus, the artist
I have Capricorn
Btw, Taurus MC are good farmers and real estate agents. Like Donald Trump.click to expand
I have cap and I like it.
I would like to experience Aries scorp aqua
I would like to experience Aries scorp aqua
Posted by VageenkaI wouldnt enjoy a Leo MC with a Scorpio moon, you dont have any privacy lol
I would keep my Leo MC. But lord. With this placement you don't have much privacy. Negative news about you spreads like wild fire.
Oh well.
*Britney voice* Say what you want about me... *quiet giggle* But can't you see what I see?
But I don't like my Pisces MC indeed, its mysterious even for me.
The Ambitious (Cap MC) ..
Love my CAP MC (the natural ruler) of the Midheaven - strengthening the mid by default, conjuncting my Venus (chart ruler), trining my Rising. I also have a strong Pluto 6th (as 6th should be assessed with 10th.) ...so loads of physical, hardworking, organizational stamina in the workplace.
ALSO, as an Intercepted Chart T-Riser, the cap mic means most of my house cusp (signs) are in their *natural order of succession", further strengthening the rest of the houses.
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I'm also pretty fond of the LEO MC (Edgar Allan Poe, Marquis de Sade, Rasputin, Vladimir Putin, Tom Cruise, MIcheal Douglas, Prince ) and the TAURUS MC (often a rich, sensuous, luxurious public persona ensues) - D. Trump, Marilyn Monroe, Marilyn Manson, Johnny Depp, Sharon Stone
Love my CAP MC (the natural ruler) of the Midheaven - strengthening the mid by default, conjuncting my Venus (chart ruler), trining my Rising. I also have a strong Pluto 6th (as 6th should be assessed with 10th.) ...so loads of physical, hardworking, organizational stamina in the workplace.
ALSO, as an Intercepted Chart T-Riser, the cap mic means most of my house cusp (signs) are in their *natural order of succession", further strengthening the rest of the houses.
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I'm also pretty fond of the LEO MC (Edgar Allan Poe, Marquis de Sade, Rasputin, Vladimir Putin, Tom Cruise, MIcheal Douglas, Prince ) and the TAURUS MC (often a rich, sensuous, luxurious public persona ensues) - D. Trump, Marilyn Monroe, Marilyn Manson, Johnny Depp, Sharon Stone
Posted by NotSoInstantHahaha I know all of that. Just kidding. I've noticed none of the dxpers picked Gemini midheaven, I was curious if low price would attract them 😄Posted by pisceanlovesSome of the biggest names when it comes to communication industry, media/music industry, altruists have this MC... These people bring changes to the world as we know it!
Who wants Gemini—
Clearance, I can trade or sell lol
Rothschild founding father had Gemini MC lol
And look at the list
Mark Zuckerberg
Steve Jobs
Kurt Cobain
Chopin
Tiger Woods
Walt Disney
Oscar Wilde
Camus
Madonna
Mozart
Tom Hanks
Churchill
Howard Hughes
Hugh Hefner
T.Roosevelt
Boceli
Tolkein
Warren Beatty
Maupassant
Girl, Byeeeee
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Posted by NotSoInstantok wow - lots to consider - thanks!Posted by tctaIt depends on the house system you use.Posted by Seasonhow do I know if mine is in the 10th house ? sorry, I'm a bit of an astro virgin ...Posted by tctaCap is at its best in the 10th house which it rules.Posted by Seasoncan I ask why ? I haven't studied that much at all - I am ok with what and who I am at this point - it is what it is - but I like figuring out why it is and what makes it that way and learn ways to utilize the good stuff ...Posted by tctaI'm a Cap MC too and it's what I would have wished for so I'm keeping it. It's one bright spot in my chart that I really like.Posted by P6X58DEI'm a Cap MC also !
Cap oh wait.. i am Cap.
🙂
If you go to astro.com and pick placidus system(most of us tend to use this sytem), the cusp of the 10th house is your MC. The sign on the cusp of your 10th is your MC sign.
It isn't all about the sign of the MC, other things must be considered. Eg. the ruler of the MC sign and the aspects it makes, whether there are any planets that conjunct the MC (if there are any), planets in the 10th house, the houses these planets rule,etc,... will play a role in determining the MC strength (if we wanna call it that).
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Posted by Infinite8lolllPosted by draculaAwesome!Posted by Infinite8i have Leo as well 🙂
I would choose :
Taurus - The Artist
Leo - The Star
Aqua - The Genius
I have Leo - The Star
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Posted by TerramineLightvoidPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by bumboklattYou and raad are right in a sorta way lolPosted by raad182Good way of putting it. I agree to some degree.Posted by bumboklattHow we display ourselves is the Ascendant or the 1st house.
I don't think it's exactly the social role. It's the way in which we display ourselves publicly, like a persona of sorts.
Capricornian themes. Social role would be the house the sun is placed in.
Capricorn is about public life, status, ambition, career and etc.
The 10th house is the house of our social role, our position in the society, the kind " fame " we have in the neighborhood.
The Sun is related to Leo and the 5th house, its about our ego. The sun is related to the mark we want to leave in this world. An Aries sun wants to be known for his enterprises, a Cancer sun for his family and so on...Where your natal Sun is placed show the area of your life where you desire to shine, to be on the spotlight.
Something like...the sun is what you want, the MC is what you get.
IMO, of course.
MC is about the social life and status, how the external world(public not your immediate circle) perceives you.... the image that we achieve or strive to build. Or how we are seen by the "outsiders"
And, thought I should correct what was said by raad.
ASC doesn't square the MC for all of us..... ASC square MC is common for those born in and around the equators. And the various house sizes change for those born around and above the Tropics, so IC/MC and ASC/Desc may not aspect each other
When ASC squares MC, those people can easily differentiate their private life from their public life and they maintain it well. What you see may not be what you get, doesn't necessarily mean they are secretive.
Taking me as an ex, I'm born around the equato, so my ASC squares my MC. I have Taurus rising and I can be very loving and homely around my bf and close friends but I have an aqua MC... And most people find it hard to believe I work in BioMed research... I'm a nerd at my work place.
I typed this post in a hurry.... Will come back and edit it.
Why do people always downplay the Midheaven so much? The placements are what they are largely by the nature of that celestial objects nature. For instance the ASC is HOW you appear and interact and impact others. It is how you ASCEND through the world. It isn't just a mask or whatever. It is your Modus operandi.
But note that this matches the fact that the Ascendant is the sign that was on the horizon. Which quite literally means the sign that was symbolically en-route to the Midheaven position when you were born. Because when you imagine something on the horizon. You imagine it rising up over it. Make sense? It is literally saying that the Ascendant is HOW you go about achieving your Midheaven.
The Midheaven itself is the sign that was basically above you at the highest point. So what could that possibly symbolize? Oh yeah. Your Top Position. Your full realization, your place in things, your role, your purpose, your destiny, etc.
It isn't merely social role. It is literally the functional role you serve period. Both local and public. For instance a Leo Midheaven would be a Father/Master/Alpha/King type figure. Even if they have never had children, taught in a school of any sort, sat on any formal throne, etc.
You have to grasp that how the public sees you is tied to the mythological transcendence of your actual functional role. You mark the public based on your actions and accomplishments.click to expand
For me midheaven = your vocation, period. Meaning if you meet a person that has sun sign equal to your midheaven sign, the person can be blind towards all things about the sign, you will know and pratice the best of that sign.
I have an example of this, my coworker has aquarius sun and he his blind about any new technology, but I simply know to see what is best. One thing he helped me alot, because he simply shares all new trends, then I catch them and use the best ones, mixing them up, and boom.
I also found for him the best job, were he is very fulfilled right now, we are no coworkers anymore, only outside.
I only want what I have, aqua midheaven.
Posted by LostPiscesI don't think so...the vocation is something personal and individual, you need to take the whole chart into consideration.Posted by TerramineLightvoidPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by bumboklattYou and raad are right in a sorta way lolPosted by raad182Good way of putting it. I agree to some degree.Posted by bumboklattHow we display ourselves is the Ascendant or the 1st house.
I don't think it's exactly the social role. It's the way in which we display ourselves publicly, like a persona of sorts.
Capricornian themes. Social role would be the house the sun is placed in.
Capricorn is about public life, status, ambition, career and etc.
The 10th house is the house of our social role, our position in the society, the kind " fame " we have in the neighborhood.
The Sun is related to Leo and the 5th house, its about our ego. The sun is related to the mark we want to leave in this world. An Aries sun wants to be known for his enterprises, a Cancer sun for his family and so on...Where your natal Sun is placed show the area of your life where you desire to shine, to be on the spotlight.
Something like...the sun is what you want, the MC is what you get.
IMO, of course.
MC is about the social life and status, how the external world(public not your immediate circle) perceives you.... the image that we achieve or strive to build. Or how we are seen by the "outsiders"
And, thought I should correct what was said by raad.
ASC doesn't square the MC for all of us..... ASC square MC is common for those born in and around the equators. And the various house sizes change for those born around and above the Tropics, so IC/MC and ASC/Desc may not aspect each other
When ASC squares MC, those people can easily differentiate their private life from their public life and they maintain it well. What you see may not be what you get, doesn't necessarily mean they are secretive.
Taking me as an ex, I'm born around the equato, so my ASC squares my MC. I have Taurus rising and I can be very loving and homely around my bf and close friends but I have an aqua MC... And most people find it hard to believe I work in BioMed research... I'm a nerd at my work place.
I typed this post in a hurry.... Will come back and edit it.
Why do people always downplay the Midheaven so much? The placements are what they are largely by the nature of that celestial objects nature. For instance the ASC is HOW you appear and interact and impact others. It is how you ASCEND through the world. It isn't just a mask or whatever. It is your Modus operandi.
But note that this matches the fact that the Ascendant is the sign that was on the horizon. Which quite literally means the sign that was symbolically en-route to the Midheaven position when you were born. Because when you imagine something on the horizon. You imagine it rising up over it. Make sense? It is literally saying that the Ascendant is HOW you go about achieving your Midheaven.
The Midheaven itself is the sign that was basically above you at the highest point. So what could that possibly symbolize? Oh yeah. Your Top Position. Your full realization, your place in things, your role, your purpose, your destiny, etc.
It isn't merely social role. It is literally the functional role you serve period. Both local and public. For instance a Leo Midheaven would be a Father/Master/Alpha/King type figure. Even if they have never had children, taught in a school of any sort, sat on any formal throne, etc.
You have to grasp that how the public sees you is tied to the mythological transcendence of your actual functional role. You mark the public based on your actions and accomplishments.
For me midheaven = your vocation, period. Meaning if you meet a person that has sun sign equal to your midheaven sign, the person can be blind towards all things about the sign, you will know and pratice the best of that sign.
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For example, you can check famous actors and you will see that you have at least one for every MC.
The 10th is how the public perceive you...How you would be known in your city.
Taurus MC - Random people talking on the street*
" Hey, do you know the Taurus MC dude? "
" Ohh yeah, he is kinda of an artist, right? "
yeah I like my cancer midheaven as I'm a caregiver already giving people foot massages as a career. well at least I like to think that. but I do give foot massages just not a career. my second choice of midheaven would be Scorpio. I love deep mystery stuff and the occult. like I wouldnt mind being an archiologist.
@raad182: Taurus MC perceive beauty better then no one else, so they appply this in their shows, singing or whatever.
Its not your job itself but what you do best, even not knowing so, its like you earned that vocation from your MC.
Its not your job itself but what you do best, even not knowing so, its like you earned that vocation from your MC.
Posted by LostPiscesIm not so sure...I agree about applying this but not about perceiving...This would be more a Taurus Venus/Moon/Sun
@raad182: Taurus MC perceive beauty better then no one else, so they appply this in their shows, singing or whatever.
Posted by raad182I can tell you why, because angles are what you perceive and apply on earth with astro inputs.Posted by LostPiscesIm not so sure...I agree about applying this but not about perceiving...This would be more a Taurus Venus/Moon/Sun
@raad182: Taurus MC perceive beauty better then no one else, so they appply this in their shows, singing or whatever.click to expand
And also angles have also the opposite, like the opposite of MC telling that not all from that sign is good. With sun full power you dont have this, you are blind, full of energy, but blind, sun blind our eyes when you are lookin in to it.
Posted by TerramineLightvoidPosted by LostPisces
For me midheaven = your vocation, period. Meaning if you meet a person that has sun sign equal to your midheaven sign, the person can be blind towards all things about the sign, you will know and pratice the best of that sign.
Uh. Lolno. Humanity has been around well before society and before "jobs" and "careers" even existed. You think it was invented to factor in your fucking irrelevant 9 to 5 drone job? Lolwat
I am positive that while the Midheaven does in fact cover Vocation, Career, etc. It is only be because those things are evolutionary branches of primitive primate behavioral roles and abilities.
It requires a very self-absorbed perspective of the world for you to seriously think that Astrology revolves around YOUR world, YOUR little box.
Your talents actually mostly exist in other houses btw. The closest definition of Vocational that makes sense. Is a calling from God lol
It is your life Purpose, functional role, total and ultimate accomplishment, etc. Technically it even covers what kind of political, spiritual, etc movement you would be a part of and what your place in it would likely be.
I have an example of this, my coworker has aquarius sun and he his blind about any new technology, but I simply know to see what is best. One thing he helped me alot, because he simply shares all new trends, then I catch them and use the best ones, mixing them up, and boom.
Or maybe it is because Aquarius has jack shit to do with technology. It never made sense to me because Fixed Air is just STILL AIR. Like when you go outside and there is no breeze.
Where the hell does Genius come in when it is basically saying they don't really come up with anything new for the most part? That is what WIND would imply. Forward motion to new places that we haven't been before.
I mean in my experience. Aquariuses are mostly just seriously nutcases. They'll believe whatever they've been set to believe. The last Aquarius I met believed AL the marijuana propaganda like it was fact LMAO
Even Aquanib here on dxp is fucking weird and hella gay. Gots a house that looks like it would be owned by a Princess. Meanwhile he looks like the kind of "nerd" I was when I was a kid except, weirder. He acts like a fuckin total quack with a really queer and out of place assertive attitude.
Like he is trying to be assertive but he's the guy you'd expect to get bullied in high school. Worse is that he seriously doesn't know jack shit besides History, which is kinda important but not by much.
I also found for him...
You want MY example? I have Leo Midheaven that also means I have Aquarius IC.
Which makes perfect sense because earlier on. I looked like an Aquarius. Of course I reflected my Scorp Asc but I mean OVER ALL. I dressed like an Aquarius and had the physical Constitution of one.
A scrawny weak nerd. Just like Aquanib is as an adult. People would disregard me and ignore me as if they didn't care about anything I had to say. They always disregarded me for whatever actually captured their interest.
Now it had been this way until I was about 18. Around that time I started working out. Up till that point I didn't do much and had no skills or abilities at all really. Just as I had no friends at all my whole life and was a reclusive hermit. I was stuck on being apathetic to all of existence and my place in it.
Then one day out of sheer boredom and apathy. I started working out. Just because. Which lead to physical fitness improving and feeling adrenaline and testosterone flood my body. Over time I started becoming increasingly motivated, passionate, determined, ambitious, etc.
It was like I was growing these things, where I completely lacked them before. I just kept growing em and growin em as I stacked on more skills and abilities and kept pushing further and further.
Skipping ahead a bit. Here I am today. The shift in my physical appearance went from Scrawny Nerd, to Swole Beast. I shifted from mostly dark colors and from a really shitty sense of style . To a much more bright and colorful wardrobe. Styling my hair up crazy like a mane, like people like Einstein and Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty.
In terms of personality and thinking I have become insanely more BOLD, Confident, Masculine, Dominant, Assertive, Sarcastic, etc.
You can read elsewhere. Others confirm that IC deals with your "genetic lineage"/where you came from. So it makes sense that it largely determines how you look from the start and what your predisposed to. But that would make the Midheaven how your looks would EVOLVE over time. The part of your looks that have nothing to do with Genetics.
This is why 2 Scorp ASC can look radically different. Because ASC is more just the ATTITUDE of your appearance. Scorp ASC for instance looking powerful and intense. With a likelihood to dress/ style black/dark.
Vocation is boiling things down too simply. To truly understand Midheaven you have to look outside your little box and gain Archetype Vision. To see that you are just a Joe among Joes. That your very being isnt as one of a kind and that there are people out there who are basically "another you" even if they look a bit different and their interests aren't the same.
"Just another Pea in the Stew, in a greater Omniverse" - Greydon Square
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Im not hating, you really provide some interesting points and views but you should write a little bit less. I guess you have some strong Mercury influence in your chart but sometimes I will reply to you and get lost on what part should I reply.
Its a great way to write if you have a blog or something but for a forum you may need to be more objective. Just my opinion.
Cancer - The caregiver
Capricorn - The ambitious
Pisces - The fantasy
Capricorn - The ambitious
Pisces - The fantasy
Posted by TerramineLightvoidPosted by raad182
Its a great way to write if you have a blog or something but for a forum you may need to be more objective. Just my opinion.
It is really hard to be objective about something like this in the first place.
You mostly base it on what is already being said by others and then cross reference it with your experiences and knowledge. I am speaking as objectively as I can. What I stated about my life isn't really subjective. All that actually happened exactly as it was stated. If anything it was much less detailed than the actual picture, but that doesn't help because the full fledged details are only more in line with my theory.
As far as typing less goes. Why would I do that? That just makes it so I barely interact with you and you barely interact with me. Funny enough. My Midheaven shows here.
In just the way I talk with people. I used to barely talk to anyone ever. Now I'm up in people's faces pushing the limits on how much I say, share, etc.
Do people find that annoying? Probably. But yet they also pay attention. Every time I enter a forum topic it gets a significant amount of replies. Even if a large part of that is just myself. Point is, just my very presence reflects the Leo Midheaven.
Also btw. You underestimate the fact that you were friends with the guy. Any real friend will know what their friend likes.click to expand
Good and I agree with you, you really stand out because you take the time to write something meaningful and not just reply with empty, I really appreciate your effort and dedication.
What I was trying to saying is that you could write a shorter version of the message you're trying to deliver and its just a suggestion you can totally ignore me.
Posted by bumboklattMaybe so.
I don't think it's exactly the social role. It's the way in which we display ourselves publicly, like a persona of sorts.
Capricornian themes. Social role would be the house the sun is placed in.
I have Cap midheaven but I'm not ambitious.
Much to my Cap dad's and Cap Mars mom's
disappointment.
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Posted by TerramineLightvoidBiggest is a matter of relativity.Posted by raad182
I disagree with the MC representing your destiny, I don't think so and everything you wrote about the MC comes to the same thing I said, social role.
The MC is simply your position in the society, how you are seen by the whole society not only your friends, family, lover and etc. Its who you are for those who aren't you or close to you. Its your label and all of the other things you said are just consequence of this.
You could have a Leo MC and be known as a bossy person, egostical or even a ditactor. In Astrology there is no such thing as " The best " or " The worst ", every zodiac sign has its pros and cons, strenghts and weaknesses.
When you say that a Leo MC is the best, its because the social role of a Leo is much more valuable in TODAY society than the others, but it doesnt guarantee a good fame or a honorable position.
I can refute this whole thing with 1 word: Hitler.
Hitler is without question. The Worst. Period. He is literally heralded by all of humanity to this day as a pinnacle example of Evil and all that should Never Happen Again.
Guess what his Midheaven is 😉
Go on. Guess. You guess Leo right? Cause that's what it is. Leo Midheaven. So you're wrong.
Fact is. That which is The Best or The Worst is capable of BOTH. Great potential implies just as much potential to do just as much BAD. So that would imply that Hitler. Had the potential to be The Best. Even if he ultimately ended up The Worst. Leo Midheaven means exactly that. Because Leos deal with Superiority, Pride, Authority, Might, etc.
Anyone can end up doing something GREAT. But there is yet still a difference between making a difference, and making the BIGGEST difference.
I don't care what you think, because you're just flat out wrong. Deal with it.click to expand
Einstein - Pisces MC but you could use Leo MC because he made the biggest difference.
But when you look at how society perceived him, you would say Pisces because he is like a character, a fantasy that people who don`t know anything about his accomplishments know his name.
Posted by TerramineLightvoidWrong.Posted by raad182Posted by TerramineLightvoidBiggest is a matter of relativity.Posted by raad182
I disagree with the MC representing your destiny, I don't think so and everything you wrote about the MC comes to the same thing I said, social role.
The MC is simply your position in the society, how you are seen by the whole society not only your friends, family, lover and etc. Its who you are for those who aren't you or close to you. Its your label and all of the other things you said are just consequence of this.
You could have a Leo MC and be known as a bossy person, egostical or even a ditactor. In Astrology there is no such thing as " The best " or " The worst ", every zodiac sign has its pros and cons, strenghts and weaknesses.
When you say that a Leo MC is the best, its because the social role of a Leo is much more valuable in TODAY society than the others, but it doesnt guarantee a good fame or a honorable position.
I can refute this whole thing with 1 word: Hitler.
Hitler is without question. The Worst. Period. He is literally heralded by all of humanity to this day as a pinnacle example of Evil and all that should Never Happen Again.
Guess what his Midheaven is 😉
Go on. Guess. You guess Leo right? Cause that's what it is. Leo Midheaven. So you're wrong.
Fact is. That which is The Best or The Worst is capable of BOTH. Great potential implies just as much potential to do just as much BAD. So that would imply that Hitler. Had the potential to be The Best. Even if he ultimately ended up The Worst. Leo Midheaven means exactly that. Because Leos deal with Superiority, Pride, Authority, Might, etc.
Anyone can end up doing something GREAT. But there is yet still a difference between making a difference, and making the BIGGEST difference.
I don't care what you think, because you're just flat out wrong. Deal with it.
Einstein - Pisces MC but you could use Leo MC because he made the biggest difference.
But when you look at how society perceived him, you would say Pisces because he is like a character, a fantasy that people who don`t know anything about his accomplishments know his name.
That is how Hitler is too. He is rendered to what he accomplished. Beyond that you won't really know the man unless you do biography research and such.
What you're not getting is everything I said DOESNT stem from Social Role but rather the other way around. Hitler tried to take over the world. That is action and aspiration. Not social role. It transcended INTO social role in the big picture.
Also the people closest to you still sees your Midheaven. Because they deal with it more than anyone else. Like my mom dealing with the fact that I'm the Man of The House and that I do things my way and don't bow to her.
I was actually going to make a topic about Einstein's Midheaven. But it should be noted that Einstein didn't get much recognition as a Genius while he was alive. Nor did his difference impact the public all that directly. He mostly impacted the scientific community.
Also, most importantly. This actually is something that I fully believe goes well beyond astrology. Into something I've mentioned on these forums before. Called Classpect. There is a very special reason Einstein accomplished what he did that not even Astrology can really capture.
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Everybody who knows the word Hitler would instantly link him with something evil, so they know at least that he did something bad. When it comes to Einstein, its not the same, they dont know if he did something good or bad, they just know that the old man with his tongue is called Einstein (a mystery, a fantasy). And you can see that Uranus in the 3rd house is a " focal point " in his natal chart and it makes totally sense to me and justify his accomplishments.
Im not saying that a Leo MC wont have all that you are saying, im just saying that BIGGEST is a matter of relativity.
Einstein made a BIGGEST impact but he wasn`t a Leo MC and not every Leo MC will make the BIGGEST impact.
Posted by sakuraflowershttp://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Courtney_LovePosted by raad182http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Isaac_NewtonPosted by TerramineLightvoidBiggest is a matter of relativity.Posted by raad182
I disagree with the MC representing your destiny, I don't think so and everything you wrote about the MC comes to the same thing I said, social role.
The MC is simply your position in the society, how you are seen by the whole society not only your friends, family, lover and etc. Its who you are for those who aren't you or close to you. Its your label and all of the other things you said are just consequence of this.
You could have a Leo MC and be known as a bossy person, egostical or even a ditactor. In Astrology there is no such thing as " The best " or " The worst ", every zodiac sign has its pros and cons, strenghts and weaknesses.
When you say that a Leo MC is the best, its because the social role of a Leo is much more valuable in TODAY society than the others, but it doesnt guarantee a good fame or a honorable position.
I can refute this whole thing with 1 word: Hitler.
Hitler is without question. The Worst. Period. He is literally heralded by all of humanity to this day as a pinnacle example of Evil and all that should Never Happen Again.
Guess what his Midheaven is 😉
Go on. Guess. You guess Leo right? Cause that's what it is. Leo Midheaven. So you're wrong.
Fact is. That which is The Best or The Worst is capable of BOTH. Great potential implies just as much potential to do just as much BAD. So that would imply that Hitler. Had the potential to be The Best. Even if he ultimately ended up The Worst. Leo Midheaven means exactly that. Because Leos deal with Superiority, Pride, Authority, Might, etc.
Anyone can end up doing something GREAT. But there is yet still a difference between making a difference, and making the BIGGEST difference.
I don't care what you think, because you're just flat out wrong. Deal with it.
Einstein - Pisces MC but you could use Leo MC because he made the biggest difference.
But when you look at how society perceived him, you would say Pisces because he is like a character, a fantasy that people who don`t know anything about his accomplishments know his name.click to expand
Posted by sakuraflowersCourtneyLove is the biggest what?Posted by raad182lol, you said biggest is a relative term ... and then proceeded to use the term in absolute terms about Einstein.Posted by sakuraflowershttp://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Courtney_LovePosted by raad182http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Isaac_NewtonPosted by TerramineLightvoidBiggest is a matter of relativity.Posted by raad182
I disagree with the MC representing your destiny, I don't think so and everything you wrote about the MC comes to the same thing I said, social role.
The MC is simply your position in the society, how you are seen by the whole society not only your friends, family, lover and etc. Its who you are for those who aren't you or close to you. Its your label and all of the other things you said are just consequence of this.
You could have a Leo MC and be known as a bossy person, egostical or even a ditactor. In Astrology there is no such thing as " The best " or " The worst ", every zodiac sign has its pros and cons, strenghts and weaknesses.
When you say that a Leo MC is the best, its because the social role of a Leo is much more valuable in TODAY society than the others, but it doesnt guarantee a good fame or a honorable position.
I can refute this whole thing with 1 word: Hitler.
Hitler is without question. The Worst. Period. He is literally heralded by all of humanity to this day as a pinnacle example of Evil and all that should Never Happen Again.
Guess what his Midheaven is 😉
Go on. Guess. You guess Leo right? Cause that's what it is. Leo Midheaven. So you're wrong.
Fact is. That which is The Best or The Worst is capable of BOTH. Great potential implies just as much potential to do just as much BAD. So that would imply that Hitler. Had the potential to be The Best. Even if he ultimately ended up The Worst. Leo Midheaven means exactly that. Because Leos deal with Superiority, Pride, Authority, Might, etc.
Anyone can end up doing something GREAT. But there is yet still a difference between making a difference, and making the BIGGEST difference.
I don't care what you think, because you're just flat out wrong. Deal with it.
Einstein - Pisces MC but you could use Leo MC because he made the biggest difference.
But when you look at how society perceived him, you would say Pisces because he is like a character, a fantasy that people who don`t know anything about his accomplishments know his name.
That's why I pointed out Newton, who was one of the most famous physicist and mathematician of all times ... who also happen to be a Leo MC.click to expand
Posted by sakuraflowers"Anyone can end up doing something GREAT. But there is yet still a difference between making a difference, and making the BIGGEST difference. "Posted by raad182Where did he say every Leo MC has made biggest impact?Posted by sakuraflowersCourtneyLove is the biggest what?Posted by raad182lol, you said biggest is a relative term ... and then proceeded to use the term in absolute terms about Einstein.Posted by sakuraflowershttp://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Courtney_LovePosted by raad182http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Isaac_NewtonPosted by TerramineLightvoidBiggest is a matter of relativity.Posted by raad182
I disagree with the MC representing your destiny, I don't think so and everything you wrote about the MC comes to the same thing I said, social role.
The MC is simply your position in the society, how you are seen by the whole society not only your friends, family, lover and etc. Its who you are for those who aren't you or close to you. Its your label and all of the other things you said are just consequence of this.
You could have a Leo MC and be known as a bossy person, egostical or even a ditactor. In Astrology there is no such thing as " The best " or " The worst ", every zodiac sign has its pros and cons, strenghts and weaknesses.
When you say that a Leo MC is the best, its because the social role of a Leo is much more valuable in TODAY society than the others, but it doesnt guarantee a good fame or a honorable position.
I can refute this whole thing with 1 word: Hitler.
Hitler is without question. The Worst. Period. He is literally heralded by all of humanity to this day as a pinnacle example of Evil and all that should Never Happen Again.
Guess what his Midheaven is 😉
Go on. Guess. You guess Leo right? Cause that's what it is. Leo Midheaven. So you're wrong.
Fact is. That which is The Best or The Worst is capable of BOTH. Great potential implies just as much potential to do just as much BAD. So that would imply that Hitler. Had the potential to be The Best. Even if he ultimately ended up The Worst. Leo Midheaven means exactly that. Because Leos deal with Superiority, Pride, Authority, Might, etc.
Anyone can end up doing something GREAT. But there is yet still a difference between making a difference, and making the BIGGEST difference.
I don't care what you think, because you're just flat out wrong. Deal with it.
Einstein - Pisces MC but you could use Leo MC because he made the biggest difference.
But when you look at how society perceived him, you would say Pisces because he is like a character, a fantasy that people who don`t know anything about his accomplishments know his name.
That's why I pointed out Newton, who was one of the most famous physicist and mathematician of all times ... who also happen to be a Leo MC.click to expand
Posted by sakuraflowersEverybody can...this is my pointPosted by raad182I read that as "any Leo MC can end up making the biggest difference" ...Posted by sakuraflowers"Anyone can end up doing something GREAT. But there is yet still a difference between making a difference, and making the BIGGEST difference. "Posted by raad182Where did he say every Leo MC has made biggest impact?Posted by sakuraflowersCourtneyLove is the biggest what?Posted by raad182lol, you said biggest is a relative term ... and then proceeded to use the term in absolute terms about Einstein.Posted by sakuraflowershttp://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Courtney_LovePosted by raad182http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Isaac_NewtonPosted by TerramineLightvoidBiggest is a matter of relativity.Posted by raad182
I disagree with the MC representing your destiny, I don't think so and everything you wrote about the MC comes to the same thing I said, social role.
The MC is simply your position in the society, how you are seen by the whole society not only your friends, family, lover and etc. Its who you are for those who aren't you or close to you. Its your label and all of the other things you said are just consequence of this.
You could have a Leo MC and be known as a bossy person, egostical or even a ditactor. In Astrology there is no such thing as " The best " or " The worst ", every zodiac sign has its pros and cons, strenghts and weaknesses.
When you say that a Leo MC is the best, its because the social role of a Leo is much more valuable in TODAY society than the others, but it doesnt guarantee a good fame or a honorable position.
I can refute this whole thing with 1 word: Hitler.
Hitler is without question. The Worst. Period. He is literally heralded by all of humanity to this day as a pinnacle example of Evil and all that should Never Happen Again.
Guess what his Midheaven is 😉
Go on. Guess. You guess Leo right? Cause that's what it is. Leo Midheaven. So you're wrong.
Fact is. That which is The Best or The Worst is capable of BOTH. Great potential implies just as much potential to do just as much BAD. So that would imply that Hitler. Had the potential to be The Best. Even if he ultimately ended up The Worst. Leo Midheaven means exactly that. Because Leos deal with Superiority, Pride, Authority, Might, etc.
Anyone can end up doing something GREAT. But there is yet still a difference between making a difference, and making the BIGGEST difference.
I don't care what you think, because you're just flat out wrong. Deal with it.
Einstein - Pisces MC but you could use Leo MC because he made the biggest difference.
But when you look at how society perceived him, you would say Pisces because he is like a character, a fantasy that people who don`t know anything about his accomplishments know his name.
That's why I pointed out Newton, who was one of the most famous physicist and mathematician of all times ... who also happen to be a Leo MC.click to expand
Posted by TerramineLightvoid1st. Don`t consider the USA as the " whole society ".Posted by raad182
Everybody who knows the word Hitler would instantly link him with something evil, so they know at least that he did something bad.
Uh no? Hitler is more than simply "linked with evil". He is more specifically seen as The Worst. Which is different from just being seen as "linked with evil". He is the closest thing to an outright EMBODIMENT of evil. He REPRESENTS it. On top of the fact that he is the Nazi leader.
You are acting like most people don't know much about Hitler except he was "bad. When in truth everybody knows all about him. Yet again, Martin Luther King is also boiled down to a mere "figurehead"/character.
What you are trying to refer to here is Mythologicalization and anyone who actually makes a big enough impact has it happen. It is how you get immortalized in history. It is what makes one a "Legend".
When it comes to Einstein, its not the same, they dont know if he did something good or bad, they just know that the old man with his tongue is called Einstein (a mystery, a fantasy).
This is complete bullshit. He is ONLY known by his accomplishments. His biggest contribution E = MC Squared, is graffiti painted by gangstas in the ghetto who have almost no real education.
So even the dumbest peeps of society know of him and what he accomplished.
Him sticking out his tongue is just an internet meme. Internet memes do not reflect the comprehension of the collective conscious. They are merely superficial reflections of it.
And you can see that Uranus in the 3rd house is a " focal point " in his natal chart and it makes totally sense to me and justify his accomplishments.
Actually if you did actual direct research into him and what is known about his dissected brain. As well check out some of the things he has said. His sun and Midheaven make perfect sense.
Pisces is connected with deeper forces of reality. As a Pisces Moon I understand this insanely well on a subconscious/intuitive level. It is often where I get a lot of what I say from. Aside from the knowledge and experience that I have. Which is why people often don't understand where I am getting the things I say from and think I'm just crazy and delusional.
It is how I know what Einstein's Genius actually was and how it works. His Genius was because he saw things about the nature of our universe that nobody else does. He saw BEYOND the limitations of science and saw a higher truth. Which is why nobody saw his contributions coming and why they absolutely changed EVERYTHING.
Im not saying that a Leo MC wont have all that you are saying, im just saying that BIGGEST is a matter of relativity.
Einstein made a BIGGEST impact but he wasn`t a Leo MC and not every Leo MC will make the BIGGEST impact.
The only other Leo MCs I have seen enough of to know their impact in life. Have all been EXCEPTIONAL. Even one I recently met in the city I live.
She is small time compared to Einstein or Hitler, but she still clearly makes way bigger waves than the average person for "just some school teacher". She's still young too, my age. Biggest is relative. Biggest can just mean the biggest Frog in a pond. Which means that it depends on the pond you're swimming in.
You're not entirely wrong but I think you're missing the actual point. You're an Aquarius MC yes? Given the unlikelyhood for the Average to reach Extraordinary. Odds are, you won't ever be Big little alone Biggest. Not because your Midheaven per sey but because odds are you're just average and thus odds are you always will be.
But what I am saying with Leo MC is that they WILL /always/ be /big/. Locally or otherwise. They are GAURANTEED to make a mark. Even if it isn't Biggest. So maybe the proper thing to say is Leo MC is always BIG with the POTENTIAL to be Biggest lined up for them if they go for it.
Lastly, again. Einstein is a special case still. He is a Genius. That isn't going to show in your chart. Genius isn't just being really gifted or really smart. Genius when it comes to intelligence is transcending EVERYBODY else period.
Einstein is what is called a Lord. Lords are extremely rare. As rare as Genius itself is. Usually there is only 1 born in any given Era.click to expand
2nd. I have a Pisces MC.
3rd. Im about to sleep now, im tired but you made some good points.
LOL.... Scorpio - "The power hungry." That's my MC.
I have Part of Fortune in Scorpio in the 10th house.
Why not Scorpio - "The Powerful?"
I have Part of Fortune in Scorpio in the 10th house.
Why not Scorpio - "The Powerful?"
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