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Posted by LadyNeptune+10000 don't embarrass the birthday person!!!
I would find out what my partner and bday boy wants and bow to his wishes. Being its his day and all.

Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowI think I would follow my loves lead... Anything other than a yes is a no... Sneaking around add sexual tension to... 😈
Ladies & gents, picture yourselves in this.
The birthday of the person you love is coming up, but your relationship is not exactly "conventional". Friends and family in attendance are mostly Christian, a number of them conservative, and not even your love's siblings are aware you two are an item, let alone anything other than friends.
Not attending is NOT an option. So you're presented with a dilemma: Either
- go down the selfishroad and go full-on PDA during the party, reasoning along the lines of "they'll have to find out sooner or later so they might as well just get with the program".
OR
- be more sensitive towards everyone else's beliefs and keep it on the down low, and restrict the tender moments in private when you can get away for a minute or two.
PS: your love is mum on the subject, possibly trying to avoid offending you or is simply undecided.
What would you do?


Posted by saggurl88Because only my boy's mom knows that we're intimate, and his entire family are Christian. And I want him to decide when to tell his siblings about us. Spontaneously outing himself to his mom is one thing, his entire family & friends bunch is another matter.
Why can't you do light middle ground and sit next to each other and dance with each other or hold hands.
And why isn't it conventional, what's going on here that you two need to hide—?


Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowYou shouldn't force him on his birthday!! Wait till Thanksgiving or Christmas!! You'll have plenty of opportunities!!! 😆Posted by saggurl88Because only my boy's mom knows that we're intimate, and his entire family are Christian. And I want him to decide when to tell his siblings about us. Spontaneously outing himself to his mom is one thing, his entire family & friends bunch is another matter.
Why can't you do light middle ground and sit next to each other and dance with each other or hold hands.
And why isn't it conventional, what's going on here that you two need to hide—?
But he's being a little coy on the matter. I'm gonna bring it up again during our run in 5 minutes or so, and this time I'm not taking evasion as an answer.click to expand


Posted by LePetitFiskI recently semi-joked/semi-serious told him that I want to declare my love to him in front of everyone on his birthday this year. Just declare, not say anything about us being more than friends. He was fine with it. But he may have forgotten about it. Just talking about it and actually doing it, especially on your big day, are two veeeery different things.
If he's not "out," your IDAF option will ruffle feathers and questions will arise and consequently put tension between him and his family... which may possibly bleed into your relationship. Go, be respectful, and follow his lead.



Posted by CaramelizedCoffeePosted by Shadowcatthe day i watch two men making out and i don't want to puke is the day i am completely okay with homosexuality, that day has not comethPosted by CaramelizedCoffee——?
im grossed out, thank god he's not my sibling, when did you first started sucking dick? Well I was Butt Raped by this stalker pisces homosexual who pretended to be my friend but played with my booty and i liked it and now here we are.
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Posted by LePetitFiskRight now I'm bouncing between yawning like a sloth and grinning like a Cheshire cat lol. It's a little hard on the cheeks. Barely got 2 hours of sleep last night because he had another one of those restless nights.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowI agree.Posted by LePetitFiskI recently semi-joked/semi-serious told him that I want to declare my love to him in front of everyone on his birthday this year. Just declare, not say anything about us being more than friends. He was fine with it. But he may have forgotten about it. Just talking about it and actually doing it, especially on your big day, are two veeeery different things.
If he's not "out," your IDAF option will ruffle feathers and questions will arise and consequently put tension between him and his family... which may possibly bleed into your relationship. Go, be respectful, and follow his lead.
Yeah it's 2017 but there's still plenty of bigots around. He might even be related to some.
Plus, this is is a nice comfotable pace that you two seem to be currently moving in, and does not seem to be too much of a cause for concern for now. And I can imagine this might be a tricky situation for him since never had to deal with something like this before. I can't imagine feeling secure being in a relationship where I feel my partner is hiding me and have to restrict my affections because of it. But you seem to grasp the importance of communicating your concerns with him which is a step in the right direction.
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Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeAt least we both get some, unlike you. Go play with your wimpy Leo and his texts, that'll keep you warm at night lol....and your fully charged vibrator. Don't tell me you actually masturbate while reading his textsPosted by Shadowcatthe day i watch two men making out and i don't want to puke is the day i am completely okay with homosexuality, that day has not comethPosted by CaramelizedCoffee——?
im grossed out, thank god he's not my sibling, when did you first started sucking dick? Well I was Butt Raped by this stalker pisces homosexual who pretended to be my friend but played with my booty and i liked it and now here we are.
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Posted by ShadowcatBecause she's not getting any and resents those who do 🙂Posted by CaramelizedCoffeePosted by Shadowcatthe day i watch two men making out and i don't want to puke is the day i am completely okay with homosexuality, that day has not comethPosted by CaramelizedCoffee——?
im grossed out, thank god he's not my sibling, when did you first started sucking dick? Well I was Butt Raped by this stalker pisces homosexual who pretended to be my friend but played with my booty and i liked it and now here we are.
Why does it even concern you? Especially to the extent that you have to use fake science to explain homosexuality. You're making it a much bigger deal than it is.
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Posted by Cancan26He told his mom out of nowhere last month in my presence, caught me completely by surprise. She knew I was in love with him but she didn't know the rest of it. Now she does.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowI think I would follow my loves lead... Anything other than a yes is a no... Sneaking around add sexual tension to... 😈
Ladies & gents, picture yourselves in this.
The birthday of the person you love is coming up, but your relationship is not exactly "conventional". Friends and family in attendance are mostly Christian, a number of them conservative, and not even your love's siblings are aware you two are an item, let alone anything other than friends.
Not attending is NOT an option. So you're presented with a dilemma: Either
- go down the selfishroad and go full-on PDA during the party, reasoning along the lines of "they'll have to find out sooner or later so they might as well just get with the program".
OR
- be more sensitive towards everyone else's beliefs and keep it on the down low, and restrict the tender moments in private when you can get away for a minute or two.
PS: your love is mum on the subject, possibly trying to avoid offending you or is simply undecided.
What would you do?
Does your love eventually plan on telling his family and friends about you..?click to expand

Posted by LadyNeptuneHow did that one work out? And what kind of gossip were you concerned about?
When I first started dating the Gem I asked him to keep it on the down low. Cause he was living at one of the homes at my old workplace (HOA clubhouse/pool) and people are gossipy and what have you. I didn't see the point of telling anyone cause it was early days.
He respected my wishes which made me respect him more in turn.

Posted by Piscis_HominisOh heh we've never argued, that's not the problem. And I'm not "not happy" about the current situation, I just like to sort things out ahead of time to avoid any last-minute surprises. My Virgo moon makes me stress about things like that because I don't want to cause any problems on his big day.
You're obviously not happy with the current situation... ...talk about it with him in private after the party...
...if things don't change then you have to decide if it's a deal breaker for you.
OR
don't stay for the whole party... ...you are just friends right? in other people's eyes ....as in you don't have to stay late...
...he shouldn't expect you to...
...I'm just saying you don't have to be the last to leave...
...tell him you won't be staying as late as his family because you are just a friend in their eyes... ...I don't think this is passive aggressive... ...but it could prompt a discussion... ...he should view this as a reasonable course of action... ...if he agrees...then go and do something with someone else... ...seriously.... ...go grab a drink with a girlfriend...
...let him be alone with his family without you... ...because that is what it will be like if you ever break up with him over this..
...if he says he wants you stay until the end...you could mention that you're not comfortable being hidden and lying any longer... ...but that you're willing to discuss this after the party further... ...and that you love/care for him and will be there for him for his party...
...but the reality is... ...if you're just his friend in everyone else's eyes... ...friends aren't necessarily the last people to leave... ...just saying..
...be thoughtful and caring...mature... ...but this can be a good time to bring things up where you don't argue but table a discussion for later...

Posted by MyStarsShineHe's my third relationship with a man, I'm his first. I have to make concessions to compensate for his inexperience.
......the hiding thing can only go on for so long and then it starts to turn into taking the piss
The downside of dating a younger person, they haven't learned to not give a toss
Annoying

Posted by m200991Unless they soil the linens beforehand.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowMy answer totally depends on this being a real or hypothetical situation. I'm going with hypothetical in this answer though...
Ladies & gents, picture yourselves in this.
The birthday of the person you love is coming up, but your relationship is not exactly "conventional". Friends and family in attendance are mostly Christian, a number of them conservative, and not even your love's siblings are aware you two are an item, let alone anything other than friends.
Not attending is NOT an option. So you're presented with a dilemma: Either
- go down the selfishroad and go full-on PDA during the party, reasoning along the lines of "they'll have to find out sooner or later so they might as well just get with the program".
OR
- be more sensitive towards everyone else's beliefs and keep it on the down low, and restrict the tender moments in private when you can get away for a minute or two.
What would you do?
PS1: your love is mum on the subject, possibly trying to avoid offending you or is simply undecided.
PS2: it does not have to hypothetically deal with two guys. It can also be two people from different cultural backgrounds and dealing with a racist family, or one person is wealthy and the other is less fortunate - which would make the snobby friends & family frown upon the couple.
I'm going to say:
" - be more sensitive towards everyone else's beliefs and keep it on the down low, and restrict the tender moments in private when you can get away for a minute or two."
On the grounds of:
If they chose to make their bed from '... not even your love's siblings are aware you two are an item, let alone anything other than friends. ' then that is the bed they should lay in until such a time comes they find the courage to change their linens.click to expand

Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowI had worked there for over 10 years. Taught most of the kids in that community how to swim and on a first name basis with the parents.Posted by LadyNeptuneHow did that one work out? And what kind of gossip were you concerned about?
When I first started dating the Gem I asked him to keep it on the down low. Cause he was living at one of the homes at my old workplace (HOA clubhouse/pool) and people are gossipy and what have you. I didn't see the point of telling anyone cause it was early days.
He respected my wishes which made me respect him more in turn.click to expand

Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowYes you do and also to let him go when the time is right to live his life....being someone's first is diffcult because they do need to fly at some point, just try and prepare yourself . I never found that easy, but life and wisdom shows us the way,....Posted by MyStarsShineHe's my third relationship with a man, I'm his first. I have to make concessions to compensate for his inexperience.
......the hiding thing can only go on for so long and then it starts to turn into taking the piss
The downside of dating a younger person, they haven't learned to not give a toss
Annoyingclick to expand

Posted by LadyNeptuneEspecially if your partner is also the private kind that doesn't like his business being broadcaster all over town. But it's tricky. You have to be positive that he really is respecting your wishes and isn't secretly resenting you for it. Like "is she THAT embarrassed to be seen in public with me—".Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowI had worked there for over 10 years. Taught most of the kids in that community how to swim and on a first name basis with the parents.Posted by LadyNeptuneHow did that one work out? And what kind of gossip were you concerned about?
When I first started dating the Gem I asked him to keep it on the down low. Cause he was living at one of the homes at my old workplace (HOA clubhouse/pool) and people are gossipy and what have you. I didn't see the point of telling anyone cause it was early days.
He respected my wishes which made me respect him more in turn.
It's not so much that I was concerned about gossip per se...I'm just a private person around people irl. If we hadn't worked out I would've had to talk about WHY anytime I ran into someone who lives in that community which would be annoying.
And I always feel that if your talking a lot about a new relationship it's gonna jinx it.click to expand

Posted by MyStarsShine.......maybe I don't intend to let him fly away. Nothing says your first can't be your last.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowYes you do and also to let him go when the time is right to live his life....being someone's first is diffcult because they do need to fly at some point, just try and prepare yourself . I never found that easy, but life and wisdom shows us the way,....Posted by MyStarsShineHe's my third relationship with a man, I'm his first. I have to make concessions to compensate for his inexperience.
......the hiding thing can only go on for so long and then it starts to turn into taking the piss
The downside of dating a younger person, they haven't learned to not give a toss
Annoyingclick to expand

Posted by tizianiPDA-wise I'm not really a show-off. I do get annoyed when people are full-on making out in public. My Scorp sister and her Scorp boyfriend would do that all the time. We'd be at a birthday party, everyone would be celebrating in the yard but those two would be inside making out on the couch.
Depends how important PDA is to you, but to me the less people that know about my relationship = the less interference (even well-meaning interference). I'm neutral to PDA so in that scenario there's nothing in it for me in option 1. And option 2 I'd take but not for other people's sensitivities, just to be sensitive towards the harmony in my own relationship.
Family or no family, everyone has to get with the program you both set eventually.

Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowPeople are more intuitive than we give them credit for. You'd be surprise.Posted by tizianiPDA-wise I'm not really a show-off. I do get annoyed when people are full-on making out in public. My Scorp sister and her Scorp boyfriend would do that all the time. We'd be at a birthday party, everyone would be celebrating in the yard but those two would be inside making out on the couch.
Depends how important PDA is to you, but to me the less people that know about my relationship = the less interference (even well-meaning interference). I'm neutral to PDA so in that scenario there's nothing in it for me in option 1. And option 2 I'd take but not for other people's sensitivities, just to be sensitive towards the harmony in my own relationship.
Family or no family, everyone has to get with the program you both set eventually.
I mean I was like "what the hell are you trying to prove exactly?". He dumped her sooner or later like everyone else does when they find out what a psycho she is lol. Anyway getting off track. I like a middle ground.
Jed is a beautiful man and he receives his fair share of attention from the opposite sex. I like to indicate that he's taken, with a little cuddle or a parting kiss while I leave him to socialize with friends we don't share. But I'm not into full-on displays.
I get along great with his siblings, especially his sisters. They know I'm gay, but it's one thing knowing I'm gay and quite a different thing that I'm banging their youngest brother.click to expand

Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowHe's private about his life which I so appreciate. No social media, not even a Facebook. His idea of a good time is going camping/off-roading with his friends.Posted by LadyNeptuneEspecially if your partner is also the private kind that doesn't like his business being broadcaster all over town. But it's tricky. You have to be positive that he really is respecting your wishes and isn't secretly resenting you for it. Like "is she THAT embarrassed to be seen in public with me—".Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowI had worked there for over 10 years. Taught most of the kids in that community how to swim and on a first name basis with the parents.Posted by LadyNeptuneHow did that one work out? And what kind of gossip were you concerned about?
When I first started dating the Gem I asked him to keep it on the down low. Cause he was living at one of the homes at my old workplace (HOA clubhouse/pool) and people are gossipy and what have you. I didn't see the point of telling anyone cause it was early days.
He respected my wishes which made me respect him more in turn.
It's not so much that I was concerned about gossip per se...I'm just a private person around people irl. If we hadn't worked out I would've had to talk about WHY anytime I ran into someone who lives in that community which would be annoying.
And I always feel that if your talking a lot about a new relationship it's gonna jinx it.
With Jed it's difficult to tell because he's bounces back n forth between the two. This wasn't the first time he's kissed me in public, and he's also done it in front of several classmates of his. But it's like he's comfortable doing it only in front of people that don't know his family. So obviously it's a bit of a sensitive spot for him.
I don't mind either way. Outside of here, I don't really say anything about him in the romantic sense. Now I do it here more because it's amusing seeing the spinsters get their smelly knickers in a twist, like the fruitloop on page 2 lol. But we can't hide forever, sooner or later one of us will slip up. So it's better to do the reveal ourselves when we're good and ready so that we have a better handle on their reactions.click to expand

Posted by LadyNeptuneAre you still together?........came out, as if you're both lesbians lol.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowHe's private about his life which I so appreciate. No social media, not even a Facebook. His idea of a good time is going camping/off-roading with his friends.Posted by LadyNeptuneEspecially if your partner is also the private kind that doesn't like his business being broadcaster all over town. But it's tricky. You have to be positive that he really is respecting your wishes and isn't secretly resenting you for it. Like "is she THAT embarrassed to be seen in public with me—".Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowI had worked there for over 10 years. Taught most of the kids in that community how to swim and on a first name basis with the parents.Posted by LadyNeptuneHow did that one work out? And what kind of gossip were you concerned about?
When I first started dating the Gem I asked him to keep it on the down low. Cause he was living at one of the homes at my old workplace (HOA clubhouse/pool) and people are gossipy and what have you. I didn't see the point of telling anyone cause it was early days.
He respected my wishes which made me respect him more in turn.
It's not so much that I was concerned about gossip per se...I'm just a private person around people irl. If we hadn't worked out I would've had to talk about WHY anytime I ran into someone who lives in that community which would be annoying.
And I always feel that if your talking a lot about a new relationship it's gonna jinx it.
With Jed it's difficult to tell because he's bounces back n forth between the two. This wasn't the first time he's kissed me in public, and he's also done it in front of several classmates of his. But it's like he's comfortable doing it only in front of people that don't know his family. So obviously it's a bit of a sensitive spot for him.
I don't mind either way. Outside of here, I don't really say anything about him in the romantic sense. Now I do it here more because it's amusing seeing the spinsters get their smelly knickers in a twist, like the fruitloop on page 2 lol. But we can't hide forever, sooner or later one of us will slip up. So it's better to do the reveal ourselves when we're good and ready so that we have a better handle on their reactions.
And it was really just for the first year, cause I didn't want to jinx the relationship. After that we 'came out' to his friends at the clubhouse. One of which is my old managers son ?
It's a bit of a different situation than what you have going on. Don't rock the boat on his birthday but keep the dialogue open about coming out to his siblings. If he sees a future with you then they gotta know.click to expand

Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowSee how it goes......all you can do is live in the now, but just stay open to whatever may happen and then if it does happen, it won't come as such a shockPosted by MyStarsShine.......maybe I don't intend to let him fly away. Nothing says your first can't be your last.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowYes you do and also to let him go when the time is right to live his life....being someone's first is diffcult because they do need to fly at some point, just try and prepare yourself . I never found that easy, but life and wisdom shows us the way,....Posted by MyStarsShineHe's my third relationship with a man, I'm his first. I have to make concessions to compensate for his inexperience.
......the hiding thing can only go on for so long and then it starts to turn into taking the piss
The downside of dating a younger person, they haven't learned to not give a toss
Annoyingclick to expand

Posted by m200991LOL my bad, it was an obscure reference to the several times he's made me mess the front of my pants, kinda against my will.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowI suppose there are those who enjoy that sort of thing, lol.Posted by m200991Unless they soil the linens beforehand.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowMy answer totally depends on this being a real or hypothetical situation. I'm going with hypothetical in this answer though...
Ladies & gents, picture yourselves in this.
The birthday of the person you love is coming up, but your relationship is not exactly "conventional". Friends and family in attendance are mostly Christian, a number of them conservative, and not even your love's siblings are aware you two are an item, let alone anything other than friends.
Not attending is NOT an option. So you're presented with a dilemma: Either
- go down the selfishroad and go full-on PDA during the party, reasoning along the lines of "they'll have to find out sooner or later so they might as well just get with the program".
OR
- be more sensitive towards everyone else's beliefs and keep it on the down low, and restrict the tender moments in private when you can get away for a minute or two.
What would you do?
PS1: your love is mum on the subject, possibly trying to avoid offending you or is simply undecided.
PS2: it does not have to hypothetically deal with two guys. It can also be two people from different cultural backgrounds and dealing with a racist family, or one person is wealthy and the other is less fortunate - which would make the snobby friends & family frown upon the couple.
I'm going to say:
" - be more sensitive towards everyone else's beliefs and keep it on the down low, and restrict the tender moments in private when you can get away for a minute or two."
On the grounds of:
If they chose to make their bed from '... not even your love's siblings are aware you two are an item, let alone anything other than friends. ' then that is the bed they should lay in until such a time comes they find the courage to change their linens.click to expand

Posted by m200991Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowMy mind went to golden showers and scat play, so you have nothing to apologize for haha.Posted by m200991LOL my bad, it was an obscure reference to the several times he's made me mess the front of my pants, kinda against my will.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowI suppose there are those who enjoy that sort of thing, lol.Posted by m200991Unless they soil the linens beforehand.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowMy answer totally depends on this being a real or hypothetical situation. I'm going with hypothetical in this answer though...
Ladies & gents, picture yourselves in this.
The birthday of the person you love is coming up, but your relationship is not exactly "conventional". Friends and family in attendance are mostly Christian, a number of them conservative, and not even your love's siblings are aware you two are an item, let alone anything other than friends.
Not attending is NOT an option. So you're presented with a dilemma: Either
- go down the selfishroad and go full-on PDA during the party, reasoning along the lines of "they'll have to find out sooner or later so they might as well just get with the program".
OR
- be more sensitive towards everyone else's beliefs and keep it on the down low, and restrict the tender moments in private when you can get away for a minute or two.
What would you do?
PS1: your love is mum on the subject, possibly trying to avoid offending you or is simply undecided.
PS2: it does not have to hypothetically deal with two guys. It can also be two people from different cultural backgrounds and dealing with a racist family, or one person is wealthy and the other is less fortunate - which would make the snobby friends & family frown upon the couple.
I'm going to say:
" - be more sensitive towards everyone else's beliefs and keep it on the down low, and restrict the tender moments in private when you can get away for a minute or two."
On the grounds of:
If they chose to make their bed from '... not even your love's siblings are aware you two are an item, let alone anything other than friends. ' then that is the bed they should lay in until such a time comes they find the courage to change their linens.click to expand

Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowCame out as in let people know we're together. lolPosted by LadyNeptuneAre you still together?........came out, as if you're both lesbians lol.Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowHe's private about his life which I so appreciate. No social media, not even a Facebook. His idea of a good time is going camping/off-roading with his friends.Posted by LadyNeptuneEspecially if your partner is also the private kind that doesn't like his business being broadcaster all over town. But it's tricky. You have to be positive that he really is respecting your wishes and isn't secretly resenting you for it. Like "is she THAT embarrassed to be seen in public with me—".Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShowI had worked there for over 10 years. Taught most of the kids in that community how to swim and on a first name basis with the parents.Posted by LadyNeptuneHow did that one work out? And what kind of gossip were you concerned about?
When I first started dating the Gem I asked him to keep it on the down low. Cause he was living at one of the homes at my old workplace (HOA clubhouse/pool) and people are gossipy and what have you. I didn't see the point of telling anyone cause it was early days.
He respected my wishes which made me respect him more in turn.
It's not so much that I was concerned about gossip per se...I'm just a private person around people irl. If we hadn't worked out I would've had to talk about WHY anytime I ran into someone who lives in that community which would be annoying.
And I always feel that if your talking a lot about a new relationship it's gonna jinx it.
With Jed it's difficult to tell because he's bounces back n forth between the two. This wasn't the first time he's kissed me in public, and he's also done it in front of several classmates of his. But it's like he's comfortable doing it only in front of people that don't know his family. So obviously it's a bit of a sensitive spot for him.
I don't mind either way. Outside of here, I don't really say anything about him in the romantic sense. Now I do it here more because it's amusing seeing the spinsters get their smelly knickers in a twist, like the fruitloop on page 2 lol. But we can't hide forever, sooner or later one of us will slip up. So it's better to do the reveal ourselves when we're good and ready so that we have a better handle on their reactions.
And it was really just for the first year, cause I didn't want to jinx the relationship. After that we 'came out' to his friends at the clubhouse. One of which is my old managers son ?
It's a bit of a different situation than what you have going on. Don't rock the boat on his birthday but keep the dialogue open about coming out to his siblings. If he sees a future with you then they gotta know.click to expand

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The birthday of the person you love is coming up, but your relationship is not exactly "conventional". Friends and family in attendance are mostly Christian, a number of them conservative, and not even your love's siblings are aware you two are an item, let alone anything other than friends.
Not attending is NOT an option. So you're presented with a dilemma: Either
- go down the selfish
OR
- be more sensitive towards everyone else's beliefs and keep it on the down low, and restrict the tender moments in private when you can get away for a minute or two.
What would you do?
PS1: your love is mum on the subject, possibly trying to avoid offending you or is simply undecided.
PS2: it does not have to hypothetically deal with two guys. It can also be two people from different cultural backgrounds and dealing with a racist family, or one person is wealthy and the other is less fortunate - which would make the snobby friends & family frown upon the couple.