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I suppose this is really for atheists/non-religious. But religious dating outside their own faith would be as relevant I suppose.

I ended up spending a lot of time with this guy during the weekend. I met him before, maybe a few weeks ago and was probably too quick to write him. I wrote him off for a number of reasons. I need some time alone for reflection, not dating. I'm not staying here. I'm here temporarily for work. I will be going home and I don't know the immigration visa work thingy whatever process here anyway. I have a life back home. First thing to work against him is he's impossibly good looking and around my age. I admittedly assume any guy my age that can get a lot of sex isn't going to be serious about relationships. I think for the majority that is true. I'm not going to say he is or isn't among them. I don't know because I'd never give them a chance to start with. And I was told by a mutual friend he was a Christian. Seven percent of England are practicing Christians, so forgive me if I don't get the wording right. I'm not trying to offend anyone.

Anyway, this made me think hypothetically about it. Would I date a Christian or Muslim or whatever back home either? Not religious like when you're filling out a census and they ask and you check off Christian because your grandparents were baptized in the Church of England. I mean someone that actually believes in a God/Gods. Has anyone tried this?
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Posted by MagicMona
i am not religious myself, but i would not mind dating someone who had different beliefs. just as long as they did not try to force their faith on me. i feel we can love those different from us.
If they love you, how can they not try to force their faith on you? If my partner honestly believed I was going to hell, I would expect him to make a big issue of it. If I believed in hell, I wouldn't drop the subject.
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It would be more difficult for the religious person than the non religious to accept the opposite in a partner.



interesting theory. how so?
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Usually, the non religious partner will have more open values. This makes it easier to accept more rigid values, since they're just one part of a spectrum. The values a religious person holds are generally not up for negotiation.

It might seem easy to work around and it is, if you're seeing someone casually (or if the relationship is new and love carries a lot of weight), but as real life situations unfols, it may be more difficult for the religious person to accept a life with someone who doesn't necessarily have such strong convictions.

And all it takes is one aspect to create problems. Sex-when? Initiating of any kind.. who? Children - birth control - religious training (yes or no). Who works, who stays home?

What happens when the religious persons activities such as church/temple/etc become disproportionate to the time spent with the partner? This can be huge (you love God more than me-the answer will likely be yes).

I guess you get the point.


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Posted by MagicMona
I get the point. I have dated people of different faiths than mine and it was never an issue. I would go along with them on their religious outings out of love for them, but at the end of the day, it was understood that I would not change my beliefs. I was never forced to convert, nor did we argue about that. We showed mutual respect for each other.
Absolutely I agree. I'm talking making it work long term.
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Posted by MagicMona
I get the point. I have dated people of different faiths than mine and it was never an issue. I would go along with them on their religious outings out of love for them, but at the end of the day, it was understood that I would not change my beliefs. I was never forced to convert, nor did we argue about that. We showed mutual respect for each other.
You would do that? Love someone and accept that they were going to be tortured for all eternity? I don't see it as them not respecting me. I see it as I'd never be able to stand by and do nothing while believing that they were going to go through something like that. I suppose this is my main issue with dating someone religious. If they really loved me, I don't think they'd be able to keep their mouth shut. And if they are able to keep their mouth shut, how much do they really love me?
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i am not religious myself, but i would not mind dating someone who had different beliefs. just as long as they did not try to force their faith on me. i feel we can love those different from us.
If they love you, how can they not try to force their faith on you? If my partner honestly believed I was going to hell, I would expect him to make a big issue of it. If I believed in hell, I wouldn't drop the subject.
If they believed in Gods (plural) that wouldn't be such a big issue. Polytheists are more inclined to believe people can be both redeemed from heaven and hell. It's never a done deal.
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Fair enough.
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i have yes, i have also dated non-religious. Only became an issue if we let it.
Have you been married or common law with someone religious? If not, why did this/these relationship/s end?
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no never married, never common law.

They ended because the relationship outlived the need/purpose for one or the other of us or for both of us.

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Wouldn't that mean the person converted to their partner's beliefs? Is that wrong? I doubt I'd change my beliefs or that most would change their beliefs. But I don't see that as a good or bad thing if a non-religious person became religious due to their partner or a religious person became non-religious due to their partner. Wouldn't that just make their partnership easier?

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i have yes, i have also dated non-religious. Only became an issue if we let it.
Have you been married or common law with someone religious? If not, why did this/these relationship/s end?
no never married, never common law.

They ended because the relationship outlived the need/purpose for one or the other of us or for both of us.

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Could you be more specific? Your beliefs didn't clash in any way?
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No they didn't clash. I'm the not so religious one, maybe that is why. i am pretty accepting of others and their views/faith. I do believe in something greater than myself, a high power, god/god's, whatever label people want to place on it.

I was raised methodist/baptist: mom followed one, father the other. We were raised to follow what felt right to us, went to church every Sunday but once old enough we got to decide it we wanted to continue attending.
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No they didn't clash. I'm the not so religious one, maybe that is why. i am pretty accepting of others and their views/faith. I do believe in something greater than myself, a high power, god/god's, whatever label people want to place on it.

I was raised methodist/baptist: mom followed one, father the other. We were raised to follow what felt right to us, went to church every Sunday but once old enough we got to decide it we wanted to continue attending.
So you already have a Christian background and the culture isn't so different to your own to start with. Right?
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Belief wise, maybe. If they actually practice, probably not. Too many differences in values and expectations. Many seem very traditional and I'm not a fan of that. I also don't think they'd enjoy how little religion means to me in my own life.

On a side note, I did have a crush on a religious sag once. He started off as the 'no sex til marriage' type but couldn't stick with it. He just had a kid and I'm pretty sure their parents (religious on both sides) forced him to have a wedding with his gf before she gave birth. The whole thing was extremely rushed and they were still setting up for the wedding in the early hours of the wedding day. Think the parents would probably disown them if they ever decided to divorce.
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Posted by LadyOfRebirth
Certainly.

I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
That's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
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There's no way I could be with someone who cannot think for themselves.

Christians, particularly ... are completely blind to other peoples spiritual view, and can ONLY recognize their own faith. There's no way possible that I could tolerate such a person.
Isn't there a mix within Christianity? As I understood it there are a lot of different denominations out there. The core belief that doesn't seem to change is in the name "Christian", Christ follower. They'll all believe that a person has to be a Christ follower to be redeemed. But after that, I've seen a great deal of variations within the faith. I wouldn't say all Christians can't think of themselves. Not accepting other peoples beliefs doesn't mean a person is blind to them. Unless these people have been big fat liars.
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i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
How would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
tell me one reason why it shouldn't work? if you have respect for each other then it will work.

i've dated religious men and we had no problems.
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There aren't any "definitely" won't work situations. More that there is an increase of conflicting ideas and wants. With so many relationships/common law/marriages ending, I wouldn't want to start a relationship with a high possibility for conflict.
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Certainly.

I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
That's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
I'm not saying they can't be.

I'm just saying that I FIND (aka my opinion and not a actual fact) it odd that some people think there's nothing greater out there.

How is my opinion of something presumptuous?
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Because you presume that the non-spiritual people are the ones lacking humility when I've seen so many spiritual people who lacked humility.
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Certainly.

I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
That's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
I'm not saying they can't be.

I'm just saying that I FIND (aka my opinion and not a actual fact) it odd that some people think there's nothing greater out there.

How is my opinion of something presumptuous?
Because you presume that the non-spiritual people are the ones lacking humility when I've seen so many spiritual people who lacked humility.
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She was generally speaking, and even stated so ...... it looks like you can't handle another person's opinion if it doesn't match your own.

She even clarified to you in stating that it was her own personal opinion and not fact ... but, still your mind was closed to it.


You are the kind of person I was referring to, in where there's no way I could tolerate a person that close-minded.
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i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
How would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
Not everyone is an extreme Christian. I find that most religious people (for better or worse) treat their religion like a buffet. They take and partake in what they enjoy about the religion and ignore the rest. Many people I know are religious and married to non religious people. My Christian mom married my father who was an atheist when they met. She did it under they concession that he would go to church even though he didn't believe. He did. Eventually he did renew his faith in God although he still was not religious. That is what my mom was hoping for. My sister and I were baptized and my father had no problem with that.

I have a client who is extremely active in her church, runs a bible study group and all that. Her husband is an atheist. She married him thinking that he was agnostic. He later (after they were married) told her that he's atheist. She wasn't going to divorce him for it. He also goes to church with her occasionally and respects her beliefs. She doesn't try to convince him of anything. She just lives her life how she wants and let's him do the same.

It depends on how much the two people are willing to bend for each other.

My most serious relationship was with a Muslim. My practicing Christian family were in love with him. His family loved me. There was never any talk of converting on either side. I think for most people, it's about what kind of a person they are and how they treat you. People tend to get over religious differences fairly quickly.
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In your examples, the non-Christian had to concede to Christianity for the relationship to work.
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Certainly.

I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
That's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
I'm not saying they can't be.

I'm just saying that I FIND (aka my opinion and not a actual fact) it odd that some people think there's nothing greater out there.

How is my opinion of something presumptuous?
Because you presume that the non-spiritual people are the ones lacking humility when I've seen so many spiritual people who lacked humility.
I've never said spiritual people are always humble.

I said I find them more humble in GENERAL, at least when it comes to beliefs. Reason being is that they belief there's something greater than them out there.

To be able to embrace that thought shows humility IMO, even if it's faint. That is my opinion and I stand by it.
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Being non-spiritual doesn't mean that someone believes they are the greatest thing out there... I think that's where we're bumping heads. They can believe in aliens, they can believe in the power of the universe. That's a pretty huge umbrella imo.
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Certainly.

I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
That's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
I'm not saying they can't be.

I'm just saying that I FIND (aka my opinion and not a actual fact) it odd that some people think there's nothing greater out there.

How is my opinion of something presumptuous?
Because you presume that the non-spiritual people are the ones lacking humility when I've seen so many spiritual people who lacked humility.
She was generally speaking, and even stated so ...... it looks like you can't handle another person's opinion if it doesn't match your own.

She even clarified to you in stating that it was her own personal opinion and not fact ... but, still your mind was closed to it.


You are the kind of person I was referring to, in where there's no way I could tolerate a person that close-minded.
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What do we stand to learn/gain if we never question and examine our beliefs? I'm 25. What do I know if I don't question people?
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i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
How would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
Not everyone is an extreme Christian. I find that most religious people (for better or worse) treat their religion like a buffet. They take and partake in what they enjoy about the religion and ignore the rest. Many people I know are religious and married to non religious people. My Christian mom married my father who was an atheist when they met. She did it under they concession that he would go to church even though he didn't believe. He did. Eventually he did renew his faith in God although he still was not religious. That is what my mom was hoping for. My sister and I were baptized and my father had no problem with that.

I have a client who is extremely active in her church, runs a bible study group and all that. Her husband is an atheist. She married him thinking that he was agnostic. He later (after they were married) told her that he's atheist. She wasn't going to divorce him for it. He also goes to church with her occasionally and respects her beliefs. She doesn't try to convince him of anything. She just lives her life how she wants and let's him do the same.

It depends on how much the two people are willing to bend for each other.

My most serious relationship was with a Muslim. My practicing Christian family were in love with him. His family loved me. There was never any talk of converting on either side. I think for most people, it's about what kind of a person they are and how they treat you. People tend to get over religious differences fairly quickly.
In your examples, the non-Christian had to concede to Christianity for the relationship to work.
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Not necessarily. Going to Church can be considered by the non-Christian party just another activity they involve in as a couple. Like going out for dinner.

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i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
How would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
tell me one reason why it shouldn't work? if you have respect for each other then it will work.

i've dated religious men and we had no problems.
There aren't any "definitely" won't work situations. More that there is an increase of conflicting ideas and wants. With so many relationships/common law/marriages ending, I wouldn't want to start a relationship with a high possibility for conflict.
lol are you okay?

i don't let religions ruin my relationships.
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Oh wow, you're pretty amazing. I've heard it's caused a lot of failed marriages. But you know better than all of them with your lol and disdain.
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Certainly.

I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
That's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
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this reminds me of the discussion that peple takes God for help cause they have fears.
Isn't fear a sibling of humbleness?

also most of the religious communities have so many rituals which require your commitment that you can be seduced to deduce that they can go through thick and thin with you.

but cause life is not predictable. some of these humble creatures have two faces. and suprises you. but who is to fear? God is there for you.

^^^^ too many yous........

religious community : rituals : commitments : the impression you can count on them : accountablity : with exceptions : be prepared.
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I don't think these things are tied. I'm non-religious and believe that I don't have the answers. That's not to say I don't have fear. I acknowledge fear but I don't live in it. I don't know anyone that doesn't acknowledge experiencing fear. Do you?
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i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
How would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
Not everyone is an extreme Christian. I find that most religious people (for better or worse) treat their religion like a buffet. They take and partake in what they enjoy about the religion and ignore the rest. Many people I know are religious and married to non religious people. My Christian mom married my father who was an atheist when they met. She did it under they concession that he would go to church even though he didn't believe. He did. Eventually he did renew his faith in God although he still was not religious. That is what my mom was hoping for. My sister and I were baptized and my father had no problem with that.

I have a client who is extremely active in her church, runs a bible study group and all that. Her husband is an atheist. She married him thinking that he was agnostic. He later (after they were married) told her that he's atheist. She wasn't going to divorce him for it. He also goes to church with her occasionally and respects her beliefs. She doesn't try to convince him of anything. She just lives her life how she wants and let's him do the same.

It depends on how much the two people are willing to bend for each other.

My most serious relationship was with a Muslim. My practicing Christian family were in love with him. His family loved me. There was never any talk of converting on either side. I think for most people, it's about what kind of a person they are and how they treat you. People tend to get over religious differences fairly quickly.
In your examples, the non-Christian had to concede to Christianity for the relationship to work.
Not necessarily. Going to Church can be considered by the non-Christian party just another activity they involve in as a couple. Like going out for dinner.

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Is the non-Christian a known non-Christian in that church?
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i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
How would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
tell me one reason why it shouldn't work? if you have respect for each other then it will work.

i've dated religious men and we had no problems.
There aren't any "definitely" won't work situations. More that there is an increase of conflicting ideas and wants. With so many relationships/common law/marriages ending, I wouldn't want to start a relationship with a high possibility for conflict.
lol are you okay?

i don't let religions ruin my relationships.
Oh wow, you're pretty amazing. I've heard it's caused a lot of failed marriages. But you know better than all of them with your lol and disdain.
looool so your marriage depends on those failed marriages?
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I believe history repeats itself. There is a pattern of failure here. I'm not about to charge in half-cocked and believe I'm smarter and wiser than the people before me.
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i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
How would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
Not everyone is an extreme Christian. I find that most religious people (for better or worse) treat their religion like a buffet. They take and partake in what they enjoy about the religion and ignore the rest. Many people I know are religious and married to non religious people. My Christian mom married my father who was an atheist when they met. She did it under they concession that he would go to church even though he didn't believe. He did. Eventually he did renew his faith in God although he still was not religious. That is what my mom was hoping for. My sister and I were baptized and my father had no problem with that.

I have a client who is extremely active in her church, runs a bible study group and all that. Her husband is an atheist. She married him thinking that he was agnostic. He later (after they were married) told her that he's atheist. She wasn't going to divorce him for it. He also goes to church with her occasionally and respects her beliefs. She doesn't try to convince him of anything. She just lives her life how she wants and let's him do the same.

It depends on how much the two people are willing to bend for each other.

My most serious relationship was with a Muslim. My practicing Christian family were in love with him. His family loved me. There was never any talk of converting on either side. I think for most people, it's about what kind of a person they are and how they treat you. People tend to get over religious differences fairly quickly.
In your examples, the non-Christian had to concede to Christianity for the relationship to work.
Not necessarily. Going to Church can be considered by the non-Christian party just another activity they involve in as a couple. Like going out for dinner.

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It could be as you say ... but, that's not what happened in those examples.

"She did it under the concession that he would go to church" ... isn't even close to going out to dinner.
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It could be as you say ... but, that's not what happened in those examples.

"She did it under the concession that he would go to church" ... isn't even close to going out to dinner.
Yeah, in all fairness I was considering the second example more. That one sounds like joining your partner for an activity they partake in, even if it's not your personal preference. We all do this for our partners.

At least for the first one, the expectation was laid upfront. It's the silent expections people have where they never verbalize them that are both unfair and forceful. And it doesn't seem like it was forceful for Sugarfoot's dad. I mean even if verbalized as a make or break commitment to it, the wife didn't hold her hope of him getting back into being religious against him. She hoped, but didn't push it past that.
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