SquirrelFromTheNuthouse
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Posted by MagicMonaIf they love you, how can they not try to force their faith on you? If my partner honestly believed I was going to hell, I would expect him to make a big issue of it. If I believed in hell, I wouldn't drop the subject.
i am not religious myself, but i would not mind dating someone who had different beliefs. just as long as they did not try to force their faith on me. i feel we can love those different from us.

Posted by MagicMonaPosted by sultrykittyUsually, the non religious partner will have more open values. This makes it easier to accept more rigid values, since they're just one part of a spectrum. The values a religious person holds are generally not up for negotiation.
It would be more difficult for the religious person than the non religious to accept the opposite in a partner.
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It might seem easy to work around and it is, if you're seeing someone casually (or if the relationship is new and love carries a lot of weight), but as real life situations unfols, it may be more difficult for the religious person to accept a life with someone who doesn't necessarily have such strong convictions.
And all it takes is one aspect to create problems. Sex-when? Initiating of any kind.. who? Children - birth control - religious training (yes or no). Who works, who stays home?
What happens when the religious persons activities such as church/temple/etc become disproportionate to the time spent with the partner? This can be huge (you love God more than me-the answer will likely be yes).
I guess you get the point.

Posted by MagicMonaAbsolutely I agree. I'm talking making it work long term.
I get the point. I have dated people of different faiths than mine and it was never an issue. I would go along with them on their religious outings out of love for them, but at the end of the day, it was understood that I would not change my beliefs. I was never forced to convert, nor did we argue about that. We showed mutual respect for each other.




Posted by MagicMonaYou would do that? Love someone and accept that they were going to be tortured for all eternity? I don't see it as them not respecting me. I see it as I'd never be able to stand by and do nothing while believing that they were going to go through something like that. I suppose this is my main issue with dating someone religious. If they really loved me, I don't think they'd be able to keep their mouth shut. And if they are able to keep their mouth shut, how much do they really love me?
I get the point. I have dated people of different faiths than mine and it was never an issue. I would go along with them on their religious outings out of love for them, but at the end of the day, it was understood that I would not change my beliefs. I was never forced to convert, nor did we argue about that. We showed mutual respect for each other.
Posted by tizianiFair enough.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseIf they believed in Gods (plural) that wouldn't be such a big issue. Polytheists are more inclined to believe people can be both redeemed from heaven and hell. It's never a done deal.Posted by MagicMonaIf they love you, how can they not try to force their faith on you? If my partner honestly believed I was going to hell, I would expect him to make a big issue of it. If I believed in hell, I wouldn't drop the subject.
i am not religious myself, but i would not mind dating someone who had different beliefs. just as long as they did not try to force their faith on me. i feel we can love those different from us.click to expand
Posted by justagirlHave you been married or common law with someone religious? If not, why did this/these relationship/s end?
i have yes, i have also dated non-religious. Only became an issue if we let it.
Posted by Blood ft. WaterA practicing Christian isn't likely okay with you going to church 'sometimes'. They would always be disappointed in a partner that was a non-believer and only attended church sometimes. How do you imagine you would deal with the day to day practicalities long term?
Only if she is a Christian.
I like going to church sometimes.

Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseno never married, never common law.Posted by justagirlHave you been married or common law with someone religious? If not, why did this/these relationship/s end?
i have yes, i have also dated non-religious. Only became an issue if we let it.click to expand
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Wouldn't that mean the person converted to their partner's beliefs? Is that wrong? I doubt I'd change my beliefs or that most would change their beliefs. But I don't see that as a good or bad thing if a non-religious person became religious due to their partner or a religious person became non-religious due to their partner. Wouldn't that just make their partnership easier?
Posted by justagirlCould you be more specific? Your beliefs didn't clash in any way?Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseno never married, never common law.Posted by justagirlHave you been married or common law with someone religious? If not, why did this/these relationship/s end?
i have yes, i have also dated non-religious. Only became an issue if we let it.
They ended because the relationship outlived the need/purpose for one or the other of us or for both of us.
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Posted by justagirlSo you already have a Christian background and the culture isn't so different to your own to start with. Right?
@SquirrelFromTheNuthouse
No they didn't clash. I'm the not so religious one, maybe that is why. i am pretty accepting of others and their views/faith. I do believe in something greater than myself, a high power, god/god's, whatever label people want to place on it.
I was raised methodist/baptist: mom followed one, father the other. We were raised to follow what felt right to us, went to church every Sunday but once old enough we got to decide it we wanted to continue attending.




Posted by JoselineeeHow would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
Posted by LadyOfRebirthThat's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
Certainly.
I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
Posted by P-AngelIsn't there a mix within Christianity? As I understood it there are a lot of different denominations out there. The core belief that doesn't seem to change is in the name "Christian", Christ follower. They'll all believe that a person has to be a Christ follower to be redeemed. But after that, I've seen a great deal of variations within the faith. I wouldn't say all Christians can't think of themselves. Not accepting other peoples beliefs doesn't mean a person is blind to them. Unless these people have been big fat liars.
There's no way I could be with someone who cannot think for themselves.
Christians, particularly ... are completely blind to other peoples spiritual view, and can ONLY recognize their own faith. There's no way possible that I could tolerate such a person.
Posted by JoselineeeThere aren't any "definitely" won't work situations. More that there is an increase of conflicting ideas and wants. With so many relationships/common law/marriages ending, I wouldn't want to start a relationship with a high possibility for conflict.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthousetell me one reason why it shouldn't work? if you have respect for each other then it will work.Posted by JoselineeeHow would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
i've dated religious men and we had no problems.click to expand
Posted by LadyOfRebirthBecause you presume that the non-spiritual people are the ones lacking humility when I've seen so many spiritual people who lacked humility.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseI'm not saying they can't be.Posted by LadyOfRebirthThat's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
Certainly.
I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
I'm just saying that I FIND (aka my opinion and not a actual fact) it odd that some people think there's nothing greater out there.
How is my opinion of something presumptuous?click to expand

Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseShe was generally speaking, and even stated so ...... it looks like you can't handle another person's opinion if it doesn't match your own.Posted by LadyOfRebirthBecause you presume that the non-spiritual people are the ones lacking humility when I've seen so many spiritual people who lacked humility.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseI'm not saying they can't be.Posted by LadyOfRebirthThat's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
Certainly.
I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
I'm just saying that I FIND (aka my opinion and not a actual fact) it odd that some people think there's nothing greater out there.
How is my opinion of something presumptuous?click to expand


Posted by SugarfootIn your examples, the non-Christian had to concede to Christianity for the relationship to work.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseNot everyone is an extreme Christian. I find that most religious people (for better or worse) treat their religion like a buffet. They take and partake in what they enjoy about the religion and ignore the rest. Many people I know are religious and married to non religious people. My Christian mom married my father who was an atheist when they met. She did it under they concession that he would go to church even though he didn't believe. He did. Eventually he did renew his faith in God although he still was not religious. That is what my mom was hoping for. My sister and I were baptized and my father had no problem with that.Posted by JoselineeeHow would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
I have a client who is extremely active in her church, runs a bible study group and all that. Her husband is an atheist. She married him thinking that he was agnostic. He later (after they were married) told her that he's atheist. She wasn't going to divorce him for it. He also goes to church with her occasionally and respects her beliefs. She doesn't try to convince him of anything. She just lives her life how she wants and let's him do the same.
It depends on how much the two people are willing to bend for each other.
My most serious relationship was with a Muslim. My practicing Christian family were in love with him. His family loved me. There was never any talk of converting on either side. I think for most people, it's about what kind of a person they are and how they treat you. People tend to get over religious differences fairly quickly.click to expand
Posted by LadyOfRebirthBeing non-spiritual doesn't mean that someone believes they are the greatest thing out there... I think that's where we're bumping heads. They can believe in aliens, they can believe in the power of the universe. That's a pretty huge umbrella imo.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseI've never said spiritual people are always humble.Posted by LadyOfRebirthBecause you presume that the non-spiritual people are the ones lacking humility when I've seen so many spiritual people who lacked humility.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseI'm not saying they can't be.Posted by LadyOfRebirthThat's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
Certainly.
I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
I'm just saying that I FIND (aka my opinion and not a actual fact) it odd that some people think there's nothing greater out there.
How is my opinion of something presumptuous?
I said I find them more humble in GENERAL, at least when it comes to beliefs. Reason being is that they belief there's something greater than them out there.
To be able to embrace that thought shows humility IMO, even if it's faint. That is my opinion and I stand by it.click to expand
Posted by P-AngelWhat do we stand to learn/gain if we never question and examine our beliefs? I'm 25. What do I know if I don't question people?Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseShe was generally speaking, and even stated so ...... it looks like you can't handle another person's opinion if it doesn't match your own.Posted by LadyOfRebirthBecause you presume that the non-spiritual people are the ones lacking humility when I've seen so many spiritual people who lacked humility.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseI'm not saying they can't be.Posted by LadyOfRebirthThat's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
Certainly.
I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
I'm just saying that I FIND (aka my opinion and not a actual fact) it odd that some people think there's nothing greater out there.
How is my opinion of something presumptuous?
She even clarified to you in stating that it was her own personal opinion and not fact ... but, still your mind was closed to it.
You are the kind of person I was referring to, in where there's no way I could tolerate a person that close-minded.click to expand

Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseNot necessarily. Going to Church can be considered by the non-Christian party just another activity they involve in as a couple. Like going out for dinner.Posted by SugarfootIn your examples, the non-Christian had to concede to Christianity for the relationship to work.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseNot everyone is an extreme Christian. I find that most religious people (for better or worse) treat their religion like a buffet. They take and partake in what they enjoy about the religion and ignore the rest. Many people I know are religious and married to non religious people. My Christian mom married my father who was an atheist when they met. She did it under they concession that he would go to church even though he didn't believe. He did. Eventually he did renew his faith in God although he still was not religious. That is what my mom was hoping for. My sister and I were baptized and my father had no problem with that.Posted by JoselineeeHow would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
I have a client who is extremely active in her church, runs a bible study group and all that. Her husband is an atheist. She married him thinking that he was agnostic. He later (after they were married) told her that he's atheist. She wasn't going to divorce him for it. He also goes to church with her occasionally and respects her beliefs. She doesn't try to convince him of anything. She just lives her life how she wants and let's him do the same.
It depends on how much the two people are willing to bend for each other.
My most serious relationship was with a Muslim. My practicing Christian family were in love with him. His family loved me. There was never any talk of converting on either side. I think for most people, it's about what kind of a person they are and how they treat you. People tend to get over religious differences fairly quickly.click to expand
Posted by JoselineeeOh wow, you're pretty amazing. I've heard it's caused a lot of failed marriages. But you know better than all of them with your lol and disdain.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouselol are you okay?Posted by JoselineeeThere aren't any "definitely" won't work situations. More that there is an increase of conflicting ideas and wants. With so many relationships/common law/marriages ending, I wouldn't want to start a relationship with a high possibility for conflict.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthousetell me one reason why it shouldn't work? if you have respect for each other then it will work.Posted by JoselineeeHow would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
i've dated religious men and we had no problems.
i don't let religions ruin my relationships.click to expand
Posted by LadyOfRebirthThen why bring humility up?
And just to clarify I have never said non spiritual people lack humility. Don't put words in my mouth please and thank you.
Posted by P-AngelNever? How did you come to this conclusion?
Christians don't respect other people's belief.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveI don't think these things are tied. I'm non-religious and believe that I don't have the answers. That's not to say I don't have fear. I acknowledge fear but I don't live in it. I don't know anyone that doesn't acknowledge experiencing fear. Do you?Posted by DwellingOnMovePosted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseas a by-productPosted by LadyOfRebirthThat's pretty presumptuous of you. It can go either way. Spiritual people can be pretty arrogant and as well as those who aren't.
Certainly.
I'd find it hard to date someone with no belief whatsoever. I find people that have some sort of faith (even if it's just spirituality) to be more humble in general than someone that does not believe there's a greater force than themselves out there.
this reminds me of the discussion that peple takes God for help cause they have fears.
Isn't fear a sibling of humbleness?
also most of the religious communities have so many rituals which require your commitment that you can be seduced to deduce that they can go through thick and thin with you.
but cause life is not predictable. some of these humble creatures have two faces. and suprises you. but who is to fear? God is there for you.
^^^^ too many yous........
religious community : rituals : commitments : the impression you can count on them : accountablity : with exceptions : be prepared.click to expand
Posted by DamnataIs the non-Christian a known non-Christian in that church?Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseNot necessarily. Going to Church can be considered by the non-Christian party just another activity they involve in as a couple. Like going out for dinner.Posted by SugarfootIn your examples, the non-Christian had to concede to Christianity for the relationship to work.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseNot everyone is an extreme Christian. I find that most religious people (for better or worse) treat their religion like a buffet. They take and partake in what they enjoy about the religion and ignore the rest. Many people I know are religious and married to non religious people. My Christian mom married my father who was an atheist when they met. She did it under they concession that he would go to church even though he didn't believe. He did. Eventually he did renew his faith in God although he still was not religious. That is what my mom was hoping for. My sister and I were baptized and my father had no problem with that.Posted by JoselineeeHow would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
I have a client who is extremely active in her church, runs a bible study group and all that. Her husband is an atheist. She married him thinking that he was agnostic. He later (after they were married) told her that he's atheist. She wasn't going to divorce him for it. He also goes to church with her occasionally and respects her beliefs. She doesn't try to convince him of anything. She just lives her life how she wants and let's him do the same.
It depends on how much the two people are willing to bend for each other.
My most serious relationship was with a Muslim. My practicing Christian family were in love with him. His family loved me. There was never any talk of converting on either side. I think for most people, it's about what kind of a person they are and how they treat you. People tend to get over religious differences fairly quickly.
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Posted by JoselineeeI believe history repeats itself. There is a pattern of failure here. I'm not about to charge in half-cocked and believe I'm smarter and wiser than the people before me.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouselooool so your marriage depends on those failed marriages?Posted by JoselineeeOh wow, you're pretty amazing. I've heard it's caused a lot of failed marriages. But you know better than all of them with your lol and disdain.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouselol are you okay?Posted by JoselineeeThere aren't any "definitely" won't work situations. More that there is an increase of conflicting ideas and wants. With so many relationships/common law/marriages ending, I wouldn't want to start a relationship with a high possibility for conflict.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthousetell me one reason why it shouldn't work? if you have respect for each other then it will work.Posted by JoselineeeHow would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
i've dated religious men and we had no problems.
i don't let religions ruin my relationships.click to expand

Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouse
In your examples, the non-Christian had to concede to Christianity for the relationship to work.

Posted by DamnataIt could be as you say ... but, that's not what happened in those examples.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseNot necessarily. Going to Church can be considered by the non-Christian party just another activity they involve in as a couple. Like going out for dinner.Posted by SugarfootIn your examples, the non-Christian had to concede to Christianity for the relationship to work.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseNot everyone is an extreme Christian. I find that most religious people (for better or worse) treat their religion like a buffet. They take and partake in what they enjoy about the religion and ignore the rest. Many people I know are religious and married to non religious people. My Christian mom married my father who was an atheist when they met. She did it under they concession that he would go to church even though he didn't believe. He did. Eventually he did renew his faith in God although he still was not religious. That is what my mom was hoping for. My sister and I were baptized and my father had no problem with that.Posted by JoselineeeHow would it work? If you read the thread, there are a number of situations where this gets tricky. And you wouldn't question the love of a practicing Christian who respected your beliefs?
i'm not religious but if the relationship works why not?
I have a client who is extremely active in her church, runs a bible study group and all that. Her husband is an atheist. She married him thinking that he was agnostic. He later (after they were married) told her that he's atheist. She wasn't going to divorce him for it. He also goes to church with her occasionally and respects her beliefs. She doesn't try to convince him of anything. She just lives her life how she wants and let's him do the same.
It depends on how much the two people are willing to bend for each other.
My most serious relationship was with a Muslim. My practicing Christian family were in love with him. His family loved me. There was never any talk of converting on either side. I think for most people, it's about what kind of a person they are and how they treat you. People tend to get over religious differences fairly quickly.
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Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouse56 years of livingPosted by P-AngelNever? How did you come to this conclusion?
Christians don't respect other people's belief.
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Posted by P-AngelSomething you both have in common!
Christians don't respect other people's belief.

Posted by P-AngelLOL that doesn't count if you live under the same rockPosted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouse56 years of livingPosted by P-AngelNever? How did you come to this conclusion?
Christians don't respect other people's belief.
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Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouse
I believe history repeats itself. There is a pattern of failure here.

Posted by P-AngelYeah, in all fairness I was considering the second example more. That one sounds like joining your partner for an activity they partake in, even if it's not your personal preference. We all do this for our partners.
It could be as you say ... but, that's not what happened in those examples.
"She did it under the concession that he would go to church" ... isn't even close to going out to dinner.

Posted by MagicMonathis
i am not religious myself, but i would not mind dating someone who had different beliefs. just as long as they did not try to force their faith on me. i feel we can love those different from us.
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I ended up spending a lot of time with this guy during the weekend. I met him before, maybe a few weeks ago and was probably too quick to write him. I wrote him off for a number of reasons. I need some time alone for reflection, not dating. I'm not staying here. I'm here temporarily for work. I will be going home and I don't know the immigration visa work thingy whatever process here anyway. I have a life back home. First thing to work against him is he's impossibly good looking and around my age. I admittedly assume any guy my age that can get a lot of sex isn't going to be serious about relationships. I think for the majority that is true. I'm not going to say he is or isn't among them. I don't know because I'd never give them a chance to start with. And I was told by a mutual friend he was a Christian. Seven percent of England are practicing Christians, so forgive me if I don't get the wording right. I'm not trying to offend anyone.
Anyway, this made me think hypothetically about it. Would I date a Christian or Muslim or whatever back home either? Not religious like when you're filling out a census and they ask and you check off Christian because your grandparents were baptized in the Church of England. I mean someone that actually believes in a God/Gods. Has anyone tried this?