help me with my delusion (Page 2)

Posted by AquaNextDoor
I guess you miss HOW he made you feel, not really do you miss HIM.

No, I actually miss HIM. I miss everything about him, his laugh, his stories, hugs, kisses, the way he looked at me, the way he cared for me, his hand holding, his snores. I miss him. I fell in love with him in the most innocent way

but I digress, maybe this isn't good for me.

Posted by Evoxxxscorpio3
As a fellow scorp you need to let his ass go.

I know 😢

Posted by Gobby
Scorpios and their frequent tendency to confuse love with obsession...

please elaborate

sweat wildflower,

you can enjoy the story of the Taurus and all the details that you love.

but you need to apply it all to a new chapter. and maybe another Taurus will come around.

I don't think its fair your holding on so deeply after one year.

I mean, Taurus are terrible with words, but you can trust their actions. what you see is what you get and you should not question that because that's totally a Taurus motto.

but hey, allow life to surprise you. you never know what's next

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Posted by LadyNeptune
Another Taurus man bailing on his relationship cause life ain’t perfect. It’s just an excuse. If he was your ride or die he wouldn’t cut you loose so readily. Js.

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I wouldn’t know 🤷‍♀️

And I know there are solid af Taurus males out there. Just seems like lately there’s been this same story on dxp

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Posted by wildflower

I give 100% to the person Im with, do you not?

Are you really sure about that? After all, during this 'saga', you were dating a Scorpio...

Posted by wildflower

Since the first day I met Taurus, I literally felt the magnetic pull
I have not stopped thinking of him since
To have dated, and fallen in love, and have been compatible in so many ways and get along so well
and to have broken up, it kills me

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I don't get what you're perspective is, he broke up with me and it hurts and I have to let go. I get that. I want to be able to let go, and Im asking for advice on that. I'm not familiar with the obsession you speak about, I'm not an obsessive person typically, so this is daunting. I dated someone else a year after we broke up, my ex and I hadn't spoken for 2 months and I dated the Scorpio for a few weeks and didn't find it fair for him because I still felt strongly about my ex which is the Taurus. I have never wavered. For the whole year before I dated someone else I was loyal. Loyal to a man who left me. So im not sure what you're shaking your head about but it is what it is, Im seriously trying to move on, its a connection I can't explain.

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Posted by Boots1313
wait so you left?

you could easily get him back....why so heartbroken over him if you aren't 100% sure you want him?

and what's this bullbutter you want him to give 100% ...HAHA that's never going to happen in any relationship...NOW THATS DELUSIONAL

She left him but I guess it’s his fault she left? click to expand

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He broke up WITH ME.

Posted by Ellygant

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Posted by Victorious
What are you trying to achieve?

Well yesterday, I wanted to try to get back to a solid place with him but Im really so confused because he did break up with me, I don't want to be hanging on to something that is not for me click to expand

You know he’s not for you. That’s why you’re saying this. But you don’t want to let go. The only reason delusion lasts over an ex is because you’d rather live in the past than believe in your future.

There will be another greatest sex ever (perhaps even better.)
There will be another deep soulful bond (perhaps deeper than you can conceive right now.)
There will be love where you fight for each other and not against each other.

But you will never find it and he will never find you if you’re hiding behind a weak man, an unstable and sparse relationship and feeling like the best thing you ever had and this love that leaves you feeling lost and like shit are the same thing.

For all the crap people give us Scorpios, a lot of it deserved, there’s something loyal to a fault about us. We can take anything life or anyone throws at us and that’s a valuable skill. But that makes it easy for us to be abused, taken advantage of or taken for granted when it comes to love. We allow our emotional loyalty to create blindspots and don’t move on. Take it from a fellow Scorp. Once you let go, you’ll be so happy you will find yourself forgetting you ever held on. click to expand

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thank you. I needed to hear this, Im living in the past and whether it can happen or not, its just more painful than not. I am confused by what is really happening and my own self-sabotaging and ultimately, he did not work it out with me. I'm honestly trying and I am taken advantage of too often, for everyone to know me for my big heart and everyone tell me I deserve the world yet I am left stranded with my heart in my hand. I hope to meet someone amazing better than all of this combined, this is too much to bear for myself alone. Maybe if he was working it with me, but he's not. So I know I must focus on myself and building more emotional security within myself, I struggle with relationships in general and with my security so I have to work on myself. thank you. appreciated greatly

Posted by sagittariusxo
sweat wildflower,

you can enjoy the story of the Taurus and all the details that you love.
but you need to apply it all to a new chapter. and maybe another Taurus will come around.

I don't think its fair your holding on so deeply after one year.
I mean, Taurus are terrible with words, but you can trust their actions. what you see is what you get and you should not question that because that's totally a Taurus motto.

but hey, allow life to surprise you. you never know what's next

thank you, that is sweet and insightful. I look forward to a new chapter and in general, a better situation.

Perhaps some day something better will be there for me, Im hopeful

but my heart is tired.

Posted by Gobby

Posted by wildflower

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Posted by wildflower

I give 100% to the person Im with, do you not?

Are you really sure about that? After all, during this 'saga', you were dating a Scorpio...

Posted by wildflower

Since the first day I met Taurus, I literally felt the magnetic pull
I have not stopped thinking of him since
To have dated, and fallen in love, and have been compatible in so many ways and get along so well
and to have broken up, it kills me

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I don't get what you're perspective is, he broke up with me and it hurts and I have to let go. I get that. I want to be able to let go, and Im asking for advice on that. I'm not familiar with the obsession you speak about, I'm not an obsessive person typically, so this is daunting. I dated someone else a year after we broke up, my ex and I hadn't spoken for 2 months and I dated the Scorpio for a few weeks and didn't find it fair for him because I still felt strongly about my ex which is the Taurus. I have never wavered. For the whole year before I dated someone else I was loyal. Loyal to a man who left me. So im not sure what you're shaking your head about but it is what it is, Im seriously trying to move on, its a connection I can't explain. click to expand

You really need to read up on your zodiac sign and the whole concept of opposite sign attraction. There's far too much to go into and I'm not going to waste my time trying to spoon-feed a fixed (read: stubborn) sign. If you dearly want some enlightenment, start with improving your self-awareness by reading more about Scorpios...
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I get that, I am stubborn, there is no denial. You should also know there is more to each person beyond their sun sign, I am only scorpio sun but I am heavily influenced by Libra and Sag, my chart mostly consists of libra and sag placements. I don't need your spoon feeding, it was to understand your perspective on the obsession you mentioned

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Posted by Victorious
What are you trying to achieve?

Well yesterday, I wanted to try to get back to a solid place with him but Im really so confused because he did break up with me, I don't want to be hanging on to something that is not for me click to expand

You know he’s not for you. That’s why you’re saying this. But you don’t want to let go. The only reason delusion lasts over an ex is because you’d rather live in the past than believe in your future.

There will be another greatest sex ever (perhaps even better.)
There will be another deep soulful bond (perhaps deeper than you can conceive right now.)
There will be love where you fight for each other and not against each other.

But you will never find it and he will never find you if you’re hiding behind a weak man, an unstable and sparse relationship and feeling like the best thing you ever had and this love that leaves you feeling lost and like shit are the same thing.

For all the crap people give us Scorpios, a lot of it deserved, there’s something loyal to a fault about us. We can take anything life or anyone throws at us and that’s a valuable skill. But that makes it easy for us to be abused, taken advantage of or taken for granted when it comes to love. We allow our emotional loyalty to create blindspots and don’t move on. Take it from a fellow Scorp. Once you let go, you’ll be so happy you will find yourself forgetting you ever held on. click to expand

thank you. I needed to hear this, Im living in the past and whether it can happen or not, its just more painful than not. I am confused by what is really happening and my own self-sabotaging and ultimately, he did not work it out with me. I'm honestly trying and I am taken advantage of too often, for everyone to know me for my big heart and everyone tell me I deserve the world yet I am left stranded with my heart in my hand. I hope to meet someone amazing better than all of this combined, this is too much to bear for myself alone. Maybe if he was working it with me, but he's not. So I know I must focus on myself and building more emotional security within myself, I struggle with relationships in general and with my security so I have to work on myself. thank you. appreciated greatly click to expand

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Im screenshotting this btw, so I can keep in mind in the future as well! thanks again, hearts.

Posted by Gobby

Posted by wildflower

I don't need your spoon feeding, it was to understand your perspective on the obsession you mentioned click to expand

There's no perspective to understand apart from the universal perspective. If I gave you that perspective, it would amount to spoon-feeding...
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perspectives are what make conversation, keep your spoon.

Posted by Gobby

Posted by wildflower

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Posted by wildflower

I don't need your spoon feeding, it was to understand your perspective on the obsession you mentioned click to expand

There's no perspective to understand apart from the universal perspective. If I gave you that perspective, it would amount to spoon-feeding...
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perspectives are what make conversation, keep your spoon. click to expand

You're doing it again and, this time, your Libra moon is getting in on the act. Very often, being stubborn and bossy can make a person very unbecoming...

Remember what I said about self-awareness. That's more important than a bunch of strangers telling you things you either want to hear or want to be communicated in a specific manner/tone.
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I needed advice, and insight on how to let go. I have strong feelings for him but the effort is not reciprocated, people telling me to move on isn't my ideal word of advice. If you read closely, Im often self- aware and have recognized my need to increase my own emotional security, I am the first to acknowledge that I too have faults. But I blame myself and take on more than I need to far too often and cannot see the line, cannot see when enough is enough. I can put up with alot more than most people can, it doesn't make me any better or worse, just different. I like to learn from other people and apply what fits best in a reasonable way.

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Posted by wildflower

Posted by C69
that money thing could be a made up excuse



the ‘it’s not you, it’s me’ move is a common way to reject someone if you want to feel less guilty



I’m not a Taurus, but I’d never ever just let go of someone I really wanted if their feelings for me were this obvious. I don’t think the sign matters here anymore.......



the only thing I can say is that he doesn’t want his freedom, options and careless living to be taken away. love is like the best thing ever but it comes with a lot of responsibility. stairway to heaven or highway to hell, you can either make someone the happiest they’ve ever been or fuck it up and destroy them, consciously or by an accident. he doesn’t want to feel guilty if you get hurt.



that’s just my take on the situation.

true and I feel this would be a logical explanation but we are a complex species
my struggle is that, was it bad timing/misunderstandings or does he not want me and that was his excuse?

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me neither. the only way is to ask him, but I don’t think it’s the right way. and he may say whatever he thinks you want to hear. actions speak louder than words. click to expand

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yea, Im learning he does that... people do that. I may be too honest but I hate to lead people astray, keep them hanging on to something that won't be. Its just energy ill spent

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Posted by wildflower

Posted by Victorious
What are you trying to achieve?

Well yesterday, I wanted to try to get back to a solid place with him but Im really so confused because he did break up with me, I don't want to be hanging on to something that is not for me click to expand

You know he’s not for you. That’s why you’re saying this. But you don’t want to let go. The only reason delusion lasts over an ex is because you’d rather live in the past than believe in your future.

There will be another greatest sex ever (perhaps even better.)
There will be another deep soulful bond (perhaps deeper than you can conceive right now.)
There will be love where you fight for each other and not against each other.

But you will never find it and he will never find you if you’re hiding behind a weak man, an unstable and sparse relationship and feeling like the best thing you ever had and this love that leaves you feeling lost and like butter are the same thing.

For all the crap people give us Scorpios, a lot of it deserved, there’s something loyal to a fault about us. We can take anything life or anyone throws at us and that’s a valuable skill. But that makes it easy for us to be abused, taken advantage of or taken for granted when it comes to love. We allow our emotional loyalty to create blindspots and don’t move on. Take it from a fellow Scorp. Once you let go, you’ll be so happy you will find yourself forgetting you ever held on. click to expand

I’m quaking and shivering so much my weave be floating atop my head click to expand

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lololol

Posted by Gobby

Posted by wildflower

If you read closely, Im often self- aware and have recognized my need to increase my own emotional security, I am the first to acknowledge that I too have faults.

Being patronising [Libra moon passive-aggressiveness in full play] yet still missing the point.

If you are as self-aware, as you claim to be, you'd be fully aware of your Scorpionic obsession tendencies and would be dealing with it away from the dxp boards. Instead, you are seeking advice. Rather strange for someone who vehemently claims to be self-aware...
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you're just looking for things wrong when there isn't, I don't read closely to each post/topic/response. It could be that you don't either. You like to press buttons though don't you? Keep a pessimistic viewpoint on things, provoke and get a reaction.

I have no dramatic reaction for you, I am simply hurting and trying to accept the end of a relationship which is no longer. I love dxp for different perspectives and sharing views.

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Posted by Victorious
What are you trying to achieve?

Well yesterday, I wanted to try to get back to a solid place with him but Im really so confused because he did break up with me, I don't want to be hanging on to something that is not for me click to expand

You know he’s not for you. That’s why you’re saying this. But you don’t want to let go. The only reason delusion lasts over an ex is because you’d rather live in the past than believe in your future.

There will be another greatest sex ever (perhaps even better.)
There will be another deep soulful bond (perhaps deeper than you can conceive right now.)
There will be love where you fight for each other and not against each other.

But you will never find it and he will never find you if you’re hiding behind a weak man, an unstable and sparse relationship and feeling like the best thing you ever had and this love that leaves you feeling lost and like shit are the same thing.

For all the crap people give us Scorpios, a lot of it deserved, there’s something loyal to a fault about us. We can take anything life or anyone throws at us and that’s a valuable skill. But that makes it easy for us to be abused, taken advantage of or taken for granted when it comes to love. We allow our emotional loyalty to create blindspots and don’t move on. Take it from a fellow Scorp. Once you let go, you’ll be so happy you will find yourself forgetting you ever held on. click to expand

thank you. I needed to hear this, Im living in the past and whether it can happen or not, its just more painful than not. I am confused by what is really happening and my own self-sabotaging and ultimately, he did not work it out with me. I'm honestly trying and I am taken advantage of too often, for everyone to know me for my big heart and everyone tell me I deserve the world yet I am left stranded with my heart in my hand. I hope to meet someone amazing better than all of this combined, this is too much to bear for myself alone. Maybe if he was working it with me, but he's not. So I know I must focus on myself and building more emotional security within myself, I struggle with relationships in general and with my security so I have to work on myself. thank you. appreciated greatly click to expand

You’ll do great.

Once you realize that the only person leavin you stranded heart in your hand, is yourself. Once you put that big beautiful gem back in your chest, face forward and walk on, you’ll feel happy in ways you’ve probably forgotten because of this relationship. You’re not stranded. You can walk away at any point. Spend that heart more on yourself. And The kind of people and relationships you attract will change drastically.

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thank you! that is true! I do see this as a learning experience and to be better next time. I forget about my own power!!!

Posted by Gobby

Posted by wildflower

Posted by Gobby

Posted by wildflower

If you read closely, Im often self- aware and have recognized my need to increase my own emotional security, I am the first to acknowledge that I too have faults.

Being patronising [Libra moon passive-aggressiveness in full play] yet still missing the point.

If you are as self-aware, as you claim to be, you'd be fully aware of your Scorpionic obsession tendencies and would be dealing with it away from the dxp boards. Instead, you are seeking advice. Rather strange for someone who vehemently claims to be self-aware...
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you're just looking for things wrong when there isn't, I don't read closely to each post/topic/response. It could be that you don't either. You like to press buttons though don't you? Keep a pessimistic viewpoint on things, provoke and get a reaction.

I have no dramatic reaction for you, I am simply hurting and trying to accept the end of a relationship which is no longer. I love dxp for different perspectives and sharing views. click to expand

And there we have it. You're going to need all the luck you can get with that attitude.

If any buttons are being pressed, you're pressing them yourself...
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lol ok cool thanks

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Posted by wildflower

Posted by jeane
the thing is you broke up for a reason. you were paranoid. he is depressed, works too much, drinks too much.



the reality is if you get back together, the old problems will still be there. yeah you will have the rose coloured glasses on for a while and the sex will be amazing but when that dies down, you'll think "fuck. what have i done"?



you're not missing him, you're missing is being in a relationship that at times made you feel great. what you're forgetting is that this relationship made you feel like shit too. you're just choosing not to concentrate on those times of madness.



and yes you might have changed with new realisations but he hasn't. let it go.

yes

yes

yes



all truth I needed to hear

deep down I know you're right

and I know Taurus doesn't change easily so although perhaps I may have learned new things, chances are he may have not.

On top of that, I do not want the same problems of yesterday

I want to let go and be free

or I want him back lol

no in between, not this delusional, haunted space Im in.

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lol, i know. i feel you.

you don't really want him back. if he was as great as you think he is, you wouldn't have let him go either.

like you said taurus doesn't give up, neither does scorpio. you did. you had your reasons at the time. don't forget them. click to expand

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Damn you are good!

What she said^

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Posted by jeane
the thing is you broke up for a reason. you were paranoid. he is depressed, works too much, drinks too much.



the reality is if you get back together, the old problems will still be there. yeah you will have the rose coloured glasses on for a while and the sex will be amazing but when that dies down, you'll think "treetrunk. what have i done"?



you're not missing him, you're missing is being in a relationship that at times made you feel great. what you're forgetting is that this relationship made you feel like butter too. you're just choosing not to concentrate on those times of madness.



and yes you might have changed with new realisations but he hasn't. let it go.

yes

yes

yes



all truth I needed to hear

deep down I know you're right

and I know Taurus doesn't change easily so although perhaps I may have learned new things, chances are he may have not.

On top of that, I do not want the same problems of yesterday

I want to let go and be free

or I want him back lol

no in between, not this delusional, haunted space Im in.

Its treetrunking terrible jeane!!! click to expand

lol, i know. i feel you.

you don't really want him back. if he was as great as you think he is, you wouldn't have let him go either.

like you said taurus doesn't give up, neither does scorpio. you did. you had your reasons at the time. don't forget them. click to expand

Damn you are good!
What she said^ click to expand

And all the above boils down to stubbornness and obsession - typical Scorpio traits. You can dress it all up in purple prose, to your heart's content, but the message (or, in this case, lesson) is fundamentally the same.
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So are all of the women who go through the infamous Taurus run around also boil down to stubbornness and obsession?

don't answer that, it is rhetorical.

ultimately it boils down to you wanting a guy who doesn't want you.

logically, that just seems like a massive waste - of time, of emotion, of opportunity.

thread derailing a bit here due to someone's chronic butthurt....nothing necessarily wrong with obsessiveness or stubbornness IMO, just depends on the context. Both can be assets in a relationship or really any endeavor. It would be interesting to see the full charts here. If he's May 13th, that's the Capricorn/Saturn-influenced decan, which would only amplify what I said about his work/financial success being essential to his identity. These bulls tend to be of a more serious nature, feel a heavy burden of responsibility/purpose and often do prioritize this, are more prone to melancholy/depression/substance abuse. He narrowly avoided the Algol conjunction (wish I could say the same). From the start I was wondering if he had a lot of Cap/Saturn energy. Cap came to mind immediately as an analogy when you were describing him. Don't know if you've ever seen an older Cap male who hasn't made anything of himself, isn't living up to his desired standards, or did once & lost it all, but I know quite a few. They are bitter/miserable, extremely sensitive, repress a lot of their discontent and then unload it on anyone that even reminds them of it symbolically - especially if they feel there was some unfairness involved in their misfortune. I feel like a lot of Taurus men in general go through something similar when broke, though perhaps related more to enjoyment of life more so than status...

"These folks need to be the at the very top of their game, reflecting the Capricorn influence of the decan." -

https://darkstarastrology.com/taurus-decan-3/

That and anything on this decan might be worth a read. Having read a ton on Taurus/Scorp, you constantly come across the need for both parties to be mature, and overcome a lot of the fear and self-doubt that revolves around this chemistry of opposites. You hear a lot about this pairing being attempted in youth and failing miserably. The pull is often like nothing else though; many can never get over it. There have been a few successful Taurus/Scorp relationships on the board though. @TellMeImPretty is in a solid relationship with a bull and understands the sign very well and I'm sure could help. I personally know an older couple that met late in life and I honestly envy their connection. Just saw your messages. I've been away for a few days but will respond soon. Want to make sure I'm thorough in giving you some of the background info you requested. You asked about how or why financial success relates to emotions. I think the answer there is that, when the burden is so heavy to succeed in life and someone clearly isn't, the resulting depression simply renders them emotionally unavailable. If you've ever had a relationship with someone whose become severely depressed, it can feel like you are living with a ghost of their former self.

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I know. I think the chanclas weren’t the right fit

wrong effing thread..lmao...are you heartoftopaz?

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I know. I think the chanclas weren’t the right fit

wrong effing thread..lmao...are you heartoftopaz? click to expand

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gonna need you to relay her goat jokes then...need my daily dose...

Posted by tiziani
I am taking bets on who gets the last word in this thread.

lol

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thread derailing a bit here due to someone's chronic butthurt....nothing necessarily wrong with obsessiveness or stubbornness IMO, just depends on the context. Both can be assets in a relationship or really any endeavor. It would be interesting to see the full charts here. If he's May 13th, that's the Capricorn/Saturn-influenced decan, which would only amplify what I said about his work/financial success being essential to his identity. These bulls tend to be of a more serious nature, feel a heavy burden of responsibility/purpose and often do prioritize this, are more prone to melancholy/depression/substance abuse. He narrowly avoided the Algol conjunction (wish I could say the same). From the start I was wondering if he had a lot of Cap/Saturn energy. Cap came to mind immediately as an analogy when you were describing him. Don't know if you've ever seen an older Cap male who hasn't made anything of himself, isn't living up to his desired standards, or did once & lost it all, but I know quite a few. They are bitter/miserable, extremely sensitive, repress a lot of their discontent and then unload it on anyone that even reminds them of it symbolically - especially if they feel there was some unfairness involved in their misfortune. I feel like a lot of Taurus men in general go through something similar when broke, though perhaps related more to enjoyment of life more so than status...

"These folks need to be the at the very top of their game, reflecting the Capricorn influence of the decan." -
https://darkstarastrology.com/taurus-decan-3/

That and anything on this decan might be worth a read. Having read a ton on Taurus/Scorp, you constantly come across the need for both parties to be mature, and overcome a lot of the fear and self-doubt that revolves around this chemistry of opposites. You hear a lot about this pairing being attempted in youth and failing miserably. The pull is often like nothing else though; many can never get over it. There have been a few successful Taurus/Scorp relationships on the board though. @TellMeImPretty is in a solid relationship with a bull and understands the sign very well and I'm sure could help. I personally know an older couple that met late in life and I honestly envy their connection. Just saw your messages. I've been away for a few days but will respond soon. Want to make sure I'm thorough in giving you some of the background info you requested. You asked about how or why financial success relates to emotions. I think the answer there is that, when the burden is so heavy to succeed in life and someone clearly isn't, the resulting depression simply renders them emotionally unavailable. If you've ever had a relationship with someone whose become severely depressed, it can feel like you are living with a ghost of their former self.

wow, you continue to be spot on. He is actually a Cap moon..... and he is a lot of fun and lively at times but definitely has a serious nature, sometimes the serious side of him was a bit stone-like, strange. How he went from lively to stone lol work and success mean everything to him.

I look forward to your feedback

Update y'all:

He text me that he miss me.............. 🙂

Posted by Toti
I'm a Scorpio. Love of my life was a Taurus man. We spent a decade together, of that eight years married.
What I thought would be a dream turned out to be a nightmare. After we married he became completely different person, controlling, stubborn, abusive in all ways. He saw me as someone to compete with, not as someone to love. It took me eight years of trying, eight years of hoping my love would change him. Eventually I gave up and left. Two months later, he married again.

Aww Im sorry about that.... hurts to know that the connection can be so strong but the relationship so difficult.

Posted by wildflower

Posted by Metatron
thread derailing a bit here due to someone's chronic butthurt....nothing necessarily wrong with obsessiveness or stubbornness IMO, just depends on the context. Both can be assets in a relationship or really any endeavor. It would be interesting to see the full charts here. If he's May 13th, that's the Capricorn/Saturn-influenced decan, which would only amplify what I said about his work/financial success being essential to his identity. These bulls tend to be of a more serious nature, feel a heavy burden of responsibility/purpose and often do prioritize this, are more prone to melancholy/depression/substance abuse. He narrowly avoided the Algol conjunction (wish I could say the same). From the start I was wondering if he had a lot of Cap/Saturn energy. Cap came to mind immediately as an analogy when you were describing him. Don't know if you've ever seen an older Cap male who hasn't made anything of himself, isn't living up to his desired standards, or did once & lost it all, but I know quite a few. They are bitter/miserable, extremely sensitive, repress a lot of their discontent and then unload it on anyone that even reminds them of it symbolically - especially if they feel there was some unfairness involved in their misfortune. I feel like a lot of Taurus men in general go through something similar when broke, though perhaps related more to enjoyment of life more so than status...

"These folks need to be the at the very top of their game, reflecting the Capricorn influence of the decan." -
https://darkstarastrology.com/taurus-decan-3/

That and anything on this decan might be worth a read. Having read a ton on Taurus/Scorp, you constantly come across the need for both parties to be mature, and overcome a lot of the fear and self-doubt that revolves around this chemistry of opposites. You hear a lot about this pairing being attempted in youth and failing miserably. The pull is often like nothing else though; many can never get over it. There have been a few successful Taurus/Scorp relationships on the board though. @TellMeImPretty is in a solid relationship with a bull and understands the sign very well and I'm sure could help. I personally know an older couple that met late in life and I honestly envy their connection. Just saw your messages. I've been away for a few days but will respond soon. Want to make sure I'm thorough in giving you some of the background info you requested. You asked about how or why financial success relates to emotions. I think the answer there is that, when the burden is so heavy to succeed in life and someone clearly isn't, the resulting depression simply renders them emotionally unavailable. If you've ever had a relationship with someone whose become severely depressed, it can feel like you are living with a ghost of their former self.

wow, you continue to be spot on. He is actually a Cap moon..... and he is a lot of fun and lively at times but definitely has a serious nature, sometimes the serious side of him was a bit stone-like, strange. How he went from lively to stone lol work and success mean everything to him.

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thats interesting....I am actually in a similar situation with a Cap Moon ex that I've been with on and off for quite some time, so we'll have to compare notes. Just spent the weekend with her at a resort - one of the most fun/chill times I've had in a while, and very conflicted right now about what to do. I ended it but she effed up pretty bad, we stay close though, and now she is trying to reconcile. Also, in addition to the decan, I have the Ascendant as well, so probably why I can relate to your dude's feelings somewhat, if not his circumstance. True to the Asc., in public, I'm also completely stoic, but totally opposite at home or with my inner circle. One of the most important things I've had to learn in life is to laugh more - at myself especially (and mostly bc most of my humor offends others). That has helped so much, and I can definitely say pretty much everything has gotten better with time. In my teens and some of my 20's I was severely depressed, and this primarily revolved around having some huge/impactful purpose in life - always feeling like I had to change the world. I have let that go completely now and am much happier....will message you this afternoon or tonight...