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I'm technically an interpreter/translator - Russian/Portuguese (into Italian), albeit I'm trying to add a little Turkish into the mix as well (still early) - mostly in the legal/medical field, that basically requires an arcane and unintelligible jargon in Italian which is full of Latinisms... I don't like it though (I don't see myself fully expressing in similar translations, it's restricting), I hate it to be honest, since getting fancy with translations doesn't get rewarded in a similar field; you're just not allowed to be creative as you'd like and that's not gratifying by the slightest. If it was for me I would much rather translate novels, for the sake of finding synonyms to words and expressions that quench my thirst for curiosity; sadly, it's too much of a niche where I live to make ends meet.
I feel perturbed - the square/opposition in my chart are too prominent to settle for less - I need to put myself in a position where I see room for growth and my restrictions are few, I'm not happy otherwise, considering I get very rapidly bored as concerns the things I do. It's only recently (since last week) that I've started planning my way out to become a business development manager, primarily focusing on emerging countries in the BRICs area and maybe drift later in life into becoming an import/export manager in the food industry (I love tartufi), in order to come back to Rome and leave something to my offsprings. Who knows possibly meeting with tiziani at seventy, ruining his immaculate image in here posting 'alopecia pics' of his head on this forum!!!
Anyway I'm still in the 'winnowing options' phase, it's not something I can plan in a week considering it's a life project that will espouse every sphere including the sentimental one.
Ha! My life took a nice turn when at 19 years of age, while trying to find myself at 17000 kilometres from home, I luckily won a huge poker tournament at the Crown Casino in Melbourne, 90k for the first prize! Some days I seriously regret not prolonging my staying in Australia, compared to Europe it's paradise there.
My pruritus, from time to time, is for acting, which is possibly the career I inwardly crave the most 🙂
I'm technically an interpreter/translator - Russian/Portuguese (into Italian), albeit I'm trying to add a little Turkish into the mix as well (still early) - mostly in the legal/medical field, that basically requires an arcane and unintelligible jargon in Italian which is full of Latinisms... I don't like it though (I don't see myself fully expressing in similar translations, it's restricting), I hate it to be honest, since getting fancy with translations doesn't get rewarded in a similar field; you're just not allowed to be creative as you'd like and that's not gratifying by the slightest. If it was for me I would much rather translate novels, for the sake of finding synonyms to words and expressions that quench my thirst for curiosity; sadly, it's too much of a niche where I live to make ends meet.
I feel perturbed - the square/opposition in my chart are too prominent to settle for less - I need to put myself in a position where I see room for growth and my restrictions are few, I'm not happy otherwise, considering I get very rapidly bored as concerns the things I do. It's only recently (since last week) that I've started planning my way out to become a business development manager, primarily focusing on emerging countries in the BRICs area and maybe drift later in life into becoming an import/export manager in the food industry (I love tartufi), in order to come back to Rome and leave something to my offsprings. Who knows possibly meeting with tiziani at seventy, ruining his immaculate image in here posting 'alopecia pics' of his head on this forum!!!
Anyway I'm still in the 'winnowing options' phase, it's not something I can plan in a week considering it's a life project that will espouse every sphere including the sentimental one.
Ha! My life took a nice turn when at 19 years of age, while trying to find myself at 17000 kilometres from home, I luckily won a huge poker tournament at the Crown Casino in Melbourne, 90k for the first prize! Some days I seriously regret not prolonging my staying in Australia, compared to Europe it's paradise there.
My pruritus, from time to time, is for acting, which is possibly the career I inwardly crave the most 🙂
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Posted by Arielle83excuse me—Posted by lisabethur8You're being ridiculous.
@ladyneptune, I call bullshit because everyone knows i'm a stay at home and you strategically place in,
I mean shit. look at this.... so blatant.
" I make my own money and am not looking at a man to pay my bills, so how much he's banking each month doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
I'm focused on my own career that it would benifit me to have a partner who is the same."
so right atcha honey!!! and i'm telling the truth, guys walk away when they know I ain't into careers. they want a career woman!!! Money money money!!
You asked for answers. She gave you one and my answer is similar.
A relationship is a partnership and I want a partner who can freely do what he loves while I do what I love.
Quit being nasty to women who have the desire to be successful themselves.
Your animosity is showing.
Good for you that you take care of your man by staying home. Some ppl get cabin fever and need their own life motivations that are not the same as yours.click to expand
my own sisters are CAREER women and they don't bug me with this shit.
it's like the alpha women VERSUS the beta women.
edit- reading the comments this morning, i'm just telling the truth.
the men don't BUG me when they know I am not a career woman.
so there are men out there that LOVE career women.
that's Awesome for them.
more for you ladies.
jesus Christ!!!!
it's like you're projecting your own HATRED over women who DESIRE and love being TRADITIONAL.
if you weren't threatened by it, then why even say shit like what LadyNeptune said?
edit- reading the comments this morning, i'm just telling the truth.
the men don't BUG me when they know I am not a career woman.
so there are men out there that LOVE career women.
that's Awesome for them.
more for you ladies.
jesus Christ!!!!
it's like you're projecting your own HATRED over women who DESIRE and love being TRADITIONAL.
if you weren't threatened by it, then why even say shit like what LadyNeptune said?
Posted by GetMistedgood for you, GetMisted. at least we know there's TONS of men out there that love a career woman. Same with my brother in laws. No problemo with me. Different strokes for different folks.Posted by Arielle83Biatch.. Make your paycheck. I don't care. Let's chill on the yacht and get toasted. Who you think you talkin to?Posted by GetMistedWhat happened?Posted by Arielle83MmmmmmmPosted by lisabethur8You're being ridiculous.
@ladyneptune, I call bullshit because everyone knows i'm a stay at home and you strategically place in,
I mean shit. look at this.... so blatant.
" I make my own money and am not looking at a man to pay my bills, so how much he's banking each month doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
I'm focused on my own career that it would benifit me to have a partner who is the same."
so right atcha honey!!! and i'm telling the truth, guys walk away when they know I ain't into careers. they want a career woman!!! Money money money!!
You asked for answers. She gave you one and my answer is similar.
A relationship is a partnership and I want a partner who can freely do what he loves while I do what I love.
Quit being nasty to women who have the desire to be successful themselves.
Your animosity is showing.
Good for you that you take care of your man by staying home. Some ppl get cabin fever and need their own life motivations that are not the same as yours.
*drools*
Can't a woman make a paycheck without it being seen as offensive to a chick that doesn't want to.click to expand
Posted by Arielle83then good for you.
you have issues with career women..
its all you
its not them
you see every explanation about a woman talking about how she prides herself on her career as some slight towards you.
its not about u.
this thread was about dating guys in different jobs.
the job shouldn't fucking matter if you love the person.
i'm just not dumb to not see the passive aggressive attempts.
so i'm telling you the truth, men dont'care for me when they know i'm not a career woman. that means LESS men in the past who want me that way. AWESOME.
for women who are in careers, there are a TON of men who want women like that so they can pool in their money together in a home.
Posted by Arielle83well let's be truthful.....
you have issues with career women..
its all you
its not them
you see every explanation about a woman talking about how she prides herself on her career as some slight towards you.
its not about u.
this thread was about dating guys in different jobs.
the job shouldn't fucking matter if you love the person.
very TRUTHFUL.
the job does matter.
Posted by Arielle83lady, if they didn't do passive aggressive attempts at me, then I wouldn't have said what I said BACK.Posted by lisabethur8She was talking about herself.
it's like the alpha women VERSUS the beta women.
edit- reading the comments this morning, i'm just telling the truth.
the men don't BUG me when they know I am not a career woman.
so there are men out there that LOVE career women.
that's Awesome for them.
more for you ladies.
jesus Christ!!!!
it's like you're projecting your own HATRED over women who DESIRE and love being TRADITIONAL.
if you weren't threatened by it, then why even say shit like what LadyNeptune said?
She wasn't talking about you.
You made it about you.
Now you're acting like there's some fucking war between what u consider "alpha and beta".
If you can't handle differing opinions and lifestyles, don't ask a bunch of women questions and then get all cunty at them for being different from you.
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all I said back was that men don't like me when they know i'm not into careers.
so it sounded offensive MORE when I say it huh??
weird how that is.
and re -read what she said and what I said BACK.
my words HURT more it seems didn't it??
cause why all the HOOPLAH?? over what I said.
it was done and done when I wrote back to her what I said to EVEN STEVEN.
and that's good enough for me.
Yet here you come into this topic and DEFEND her when FAIR IS FAIR.
my words HURT more it seems didn't it??
cause why all the HOOPLAH?? over what I said.
it was done and done when I wrote back to her what I said to EVEN STEVEN.
and that's good enough for me.
Yet here you come into this topic and DEFEND her when FAIR IS FAIR.
Posted by Arielle83for having a libra moon and libra dominant.Posted by lisabethur8I honestly just see your passive aggressive jabs.Posted by Arielle83then good for you.
you have issues with career women..
its all you
its not them
you see every explanation about a woman talking about how she prides herself on her career as some slight towards you.
its not about u.
this thread was about dating guys in different jobs.
the job shouldn't fucking matter if you love the person.
i'm just not dumb to not see the passive aggressive attempts.
so i'm telling you the truth, men dont'care for me when they know i'm not a career woman. that means LESS men in the past who want me that way. AWESOME.
for women who are in careers, there are a TON of men who want women like that so they can pool in their money together in a home.
You've given them to me too just because I've worked hard and am proud of my accomplishments.
We aren't competing for miss universe here.
It's different lifestyles and a woman should be allowed to be proud and if you can't handle it, then you're the problem.click to expand
you are NOT a fair person at all.
Posted by Arielle83my man has fallen sick, and stayed home for months. give me a break.Posted by lisabethur8Yeah it matters to you.Posted by Arielle83well let's be truthful.....
you have issues with career women..
its all you
its not them
you see every explanation about a woman talking about how she prides herself on her career as some slight towards you.
its not about u.
this thread was about dating guys in different jobs.
the job shouldn't fucking matter if you love the person.
very TRUTHFUL.
the job does matter.
Not to all women.
When the man falls sick and is unemployed, the job doesn't matter, health matters.
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when it all comes down to it
it's about FINANCIAL pooling and having NOT ENOUGH money.
whatever.
it's about FINANCIAL pooling and having NOT ENOUGH money.
whatever.
Posted by Arielle83Posted by lisabethur8You don't sound offensive.Posted by Arielle83lady, if they didn't do passive aggressive attempts at me, then I wouldn't have said what I said BACK.Posted by lisabethur8She was talking about herself.
it's like the alpha women VERSUS the beta women.
edit- reading the comments this morning, i'm just telling the truth.
the men don't BUG me when they know I am not a career woman.
so there are men out there that LOVE career women.
that's Awesome for them.
more for you ladies.
jesus Christ!!!!
it's like you're projecting your own HATRED over women who DESIRE and love being TRADITIONAL.
if you weren't threatened by it, then why even say shit like what LadyNeptune said?
She wasn't talking about you.
You made it about you.
Now you're acting like there's some fucking war between what u consider "alpha and beta".
If you can't handle differing opinions and lifestyles, don't ask a bunch of women questions and then get all cunty at them for being different from you.
all I said back was that men don't like me when they know i'm not into careers.
so it sounded offensive MORE when I say it huh??
weird how that is.
You sound like your making yourself a victim in the face of another woman expressing her opinion.
The drama isn't real.
You can't handle another's work ethic, that's your own issue.click to expand
excuse me?? I respect people who have a strong work ethic.
your problem is you have a problem with me I notice.
cause honestly why mention what you said??
about if a man falls sick??
that just means you LACK the FUNDS.
why does it fucking matter to you what we do??
if you both NEED the paychecks, more power for both of you.
I know firsthand that my sister and her man NEED both paychecks.
about if a man falls sick??
that just means you LACK the FUNDS.
why does it fucking matter to you what we do??
if you both NEED the paychecks, more power for both of you.
I know firsthand that my sister and her man NEED both paychecks.
and I knew TWO cancer sun aunties who one of them stayed home and took care of the children and her aging mother in law, it's very respectable.
they didn't need two paychecks, and the other aunty worked a lot (she has a lot of cardinal in her chart) but she passed away early because she worked herself too much too and stressed, caught cancer in her middle age.
they didn't need two paychecks, and the other aunty worked a lot (she has a lot of cardinal in her chart) but she passed away early because she worked herself too much too and stressed, caught cancer in her middle age.
Posted by Arielle83Posted by lisabethur8Sometimes I can't believe you're an adult.
and re -read what she said and what I said BACK.
my words HURT more it seems didn't it??
cause why all the HOOPLAH?? over what I said.
it was done and done when I wrote back to her what I said to EVEN STEVEN.
and that's good enough for me.
Yet here you come into this topic and DEFEND her when FAIR IS FAIR.
So you think she intentionally did something to u via the interweb, so you intentionally act cunty back...
Why?
That's got to be the most childish bullshit I've ever seen.
She even said it wasn't about u. I'm not defending her. You've done this shit to me as well. So no female is allowed to be cool with their life around u cuz then you've got to throw animosity at them.
Because from your perspective her opinion was about you.
Maybe you should stop asking questions if you get sensitive over this shit.
You are creating your own drama.click to expand
i'm just saying i'm not stupid. I see the passive aggressive jabs.
why say something like that? it's very insensitive. so i'm gonna MIRROR back and be FAIR.
I don't have a problem with women like you, who enjoy careers and NEED the money.
if you never put down women's role who looks after her man, fine.
it's easy to see that you and your man need the money
but yet in another topic over a year ago you said you have a Yacht and travel everywhere, which cost money.
that means you just enjoy having a career. great.
if you never put down women's role who looks after her man, fine.
it's easy to see that you and your man need the money
but yet in another topic over a year ago you said you have a Yacht and travel everywhere, which cost money.
that means you just enjoy having a career. great.
Posted by Arielle83Posted by lisabethur8If a man falls sick, he can't work...so why does it matter if he's a CEO or a truck driver....the money is being exhausted by the medical bills.
cause honestly why mention what you said??
about if a man falls sick??
that just means you LACK the FUNDS.
why does it fucking matter to you what we do??
if you both NEED the paychecks, more power for both of you.
I know firsthand that my sister and her man NEED both paychecks.
It's all balance and some ppl don't stay in the same career forever.
Honestly after this whole illogical TIT for TAT bullshit on your end, I just see you as a completely shallow individual.
All jobs are needed. Every job/career is valuable.
If you have issues with someones career choice, well at least they are trying at life.
A dump truck driver on the mines up here makes $ 200,000 a year.
While a doctor makes less.
You figure out what is more valuable in your world, and Ill do mine.click to expand
you don't have to tell me all this.
some men need a woman partner to have that 2nd paycheck.
everyone's different.
and my husband's cousin has a wife who is a stay at home, they only have his paycheck, and his income, and they're millionaires.
they just don't need the 2nd income. It's just how it is. his wife hasn't worked in 5 years. (Edit - i think longer, maybe 10 years before they married, she was supporting his role in his professional sports arena) I've worked when I first came on here, but it's just not our goals right now at this time, but maybe later. Just right now it's not important.
and my sister and her man need two paychecks because they travel the world and quit their job for an entire year. they can do that because they make a lot of money and they have different goals. Everyone is different, and couples don't need that 2nd paycheck like the first above I mentioned. Does the wife get hell for it? Yes, from career women. lol true story.
they just don't need the 2nd income. It's just how it is. his wife hasn't worked in 5 years. (Edit - i think longer, maybe 10 years before they married, she was supporting his role in his professional sports arena) I've worked when I first came on here, but it's just not our goals right now at this time, but maybe later. Just right now it's not important.
and my sister and her man need two paychecks because they travel the world and quit their job for an entire year. they can do that because they make a lot of money and they have different goals. Everyone is different, and couples don't need that 2nd paycheck like the first above I mentioned. Does the wife get hell for it? Yes, from career women. lol true story.
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Are you Happy?
a rich wanker
Posted by whatthecrab*rolls eyes*
@Arielle83 you straightened that bish out
what's your problem??
this is why I don't make friends with a lot of women,
so much for aquarius and friendship
most HATE me.
but I love the small amount I do have.
Posted by whatthecraband I see through you, you want a man.
@Arielle83 you straightened that bish out
but you're not with one are you??
HUH!!
go get one!!!
the men on dxp are not even the types you want I notice.
and do you really live in Europe—
and do you really live in Europe—
Posted by whatthecrabyeah shut up.
you have that photo up and you're supposedly living in EUROPE AND supposedly pretty looking.
but yet I can't believe you are NOT with anyone.
it boggles the mind.
so what's your story whatthecrab—
why aren't you with anyone?? no good men left??
and honestly what did Arielle straightened up—
that she was saying it's IMPORTANT to have TWO paychecks.
and i'll keep telling you folks. that's WHY lots of men get away from me.
MORE for you!!!!
it's like you want to PUT ME DOWN because you despise me. it feels good for you huh?? You like that huh? putting down people?
why aren't you with anyone?? no good men left??
and honestly what did Arielle straightened up—
that she was saying it's IMPORTANT to have TWO paychecks.
and i'll keep telling you folks. that's WHY lots of men get away from me.
MORE for you!!!!
it's like you want to PUT ME DOWN because you despise me. it feels good for you huh?? You like that huh? putting down people?
Posted by blessyouthat might not even be her for all we know. *shrug*Posted by lisabethur8she's a thot.. can't you see it in her eyes. but i'm gonna mind my business on this one and keep quiet. I just wanted to know if this girl was serious about that i love you shit.. anyways, carry on.
so what's your story whatthecrab—
why aren't you with anyone?? no good men left??click to expand
Posted by whatthecrabuh no i'm not.
She straightened up the fact that you make everyone's opinion about you. It's an indication of how insecure you are about your own lifestyle that you feel attacked and get defensive when other people disagree with you.
Otherwise you're a lovely woman.
i'm showing you all how insecure you are with your own life.
if you were satisfied with the fact that people want their own lifestyle, they wouldn't take passive aggressive jabs at others,
and i'm glad Arielle pointed out that it's IMPORTANT for two paychecks.
and if the man gets sick.
this is OLD AS TIME
and what people have been mentioning here on the boards for income.
and i'm telling you truthfully,if a man needs the extra income, he will find a woman who makes that extra income.
I've seen it FIRSTHAND with men in real life.
they need women who make a 2nd income.
some men don't need that.
it's just fact. Jeeeezzz.
and I totally understand about if one of you get sick. Shit, either one of us could die too!!!
I've seen it FIRSTHAND with men in real life.
they need women who make a 2nd income.
some men don't need that.
it's just fact. Jeeeezzz.
and I totally understand about if one of you get sick. Shit, either one of us could die too!!!
Posted by starloverwell it's GOOD that Arielle came in and challenged that.Posted by lisabethur8Christ Lisa
so what's your story whatthecrab—
why aren't you with anyone?? no good men left??
and honestly what did Arielle straightened up—
that she was saying it's IMPORTANT to have TWO paychecks.
and i'll keep telling you folks. that's WHY lots of men get away from me.
MORE for you!!!!
it's like you want to PUT ME DOWN because you despise me. it feels good for you huh?? You like that huh? putting down people?
Rise aboveclick to expand
I like that.
it's fine, starlover.
I don't mind. jeez. I like that people can come in and TELL what they really really mean.
I like that they are BOLD to say how they feel about TWO income family and why and the don't s and dos.
the fact that she mentioned about if one person getting sick is very very VALID and a good argument.
that's aweome really.
why is it so bad??
I don't mind. jeez. I like that people can come in and TELL what they really really mean.
I like that they are BOLD to say how they feel about TWO income family and why and the don't s and dos.
the fact that she mentioned about if one person getting sick is very very VALID and a good argument.
that's aweome really.
why is it so bad??
btw, this is very very SERIOUS in today's economy and world.
so there were some jokes going around in this topic and also some seriousness.
it's very good to note what's going to happen to people and what's in stake. The economy and getting a good career, or even a decent one is serious business.
so there were some jokes going around in this topic and also some seriousness.
it's very good to note what's going to happen to people and what's in stake. The economy and getting a good career, or even a decent one is serious business.
Posted by Foxwhat's your profession or field you're getting in, fox?
more concerned with my own profession to be perfectly honest.
Posted by whatthecrabguess you read too much cat astrology lol
Back peddling. Yeah ok.
You just be happy with the perfect life and husband you portray to have here and let others have their own beliefs without attacking them.
Attacking my looks is old and tired to me btw. I've been shut out and excluded by women like you all my life. I dont even care to address that competitive petty bullshit. One would think an Aqua woman like yourself would know better than to do that. "It boggles your mind" because unlike you, I don't need to hitch myself to a breadwinner to be content with myself. It's hard for you to fantom. That's ok if it is what makes you happy, but don't attack me for the assumptions you have made up about me. As for where I live, @dxpnet has my IP address, it reads EUROPE BABYYYY and tbh it isn't a big deal to be living here really.
Your attacks seem to be a pattern with every women you think is pretty.
Have fun taking jabs at me and assume things about me without knowing me. Because Im done with chuuu.
Posted by whatthecraband by the way why are you SO concerned about being shut out by women like me??
Back peddling. Yeah ok.
You just be happy with the perfect life and husband you portray to have here and let others have their own beliefs without attacking them.
Attacking my looks is old and tired to me btw. I've been shut out and excluded by women like you all my life. I dont even care to address that competitive petty bullshit. One would think an Aqua woman like yourself would know better than to do that. "It boggles your mind" because unlike you, I don't need to hitch myself to a breadwinner to be content with myself. It's hard for you to fantom. That's ok if it is what makes you happy, but don't attack me for the assumptions you have made up about me. As for where I live, @dxpnet has my IP address, it reads EUROPE BABYYYY and tbh it isn't a big deal to be living here really.
Your attacks seem to be a pattern with every women you think is pretty on here..
Have fun taking jabs at me and assume things about me without knowing me. Because Im done with chuuu.
why does it matter?
there are women out there that include you all the time. Focus on them. and be glad you have them.
I think you're very pretty so it wasn't an attack it was a wonderment why you are single. you should be having tons of men after you. so it's a complement.
Posted by FoxI do agree with you here.Posted by lisabethur8Posted by Foxwhat's your profession or field you're getting in, fox?
more concerned with my own profession to be perfectly honest.
Studying psychology at the moment, next year is my last. I have an opportunity to work near a psychotherapist soon, so i'm planning on asking a lot of questions.
It isn't about the income for me, it's personal if anything. I don't think i'd be happy in a job that i didn't have a passion for... which is how i feel about my partner too. if they aren't happy in their work life, then they are wasting valuable time in life.click to expand
it's good you are going for your passion.
Posted by whatthecrab
It's all good Lisa, and thank you
you're welcome.
you're lucky you have good genetics. lol
for anyone interested.... this is a good read on TWO income families.
also another perspective.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/11/two-income-trap
Middle-class parents are stretched thin these days. Between health care costs, child care hassles, looking for a home in a good district, and paying for college, raising a child is becoming increasingly expensive. Little wonder, then, that married couples with children are more than twice as likely to file for bankruptcy as their childless counterparts, and 75 percent more likely to have their homes foreclosed. And the danger is growing worse by the year: In 2002 1.6 million people filed for bankruptcy, many of those middle-class parents. a record . As Elizabeth Warren and Amelia Tyagi note in their book, The Two-Income Trap: Why Middle-Class Mothers & Fathers Are Going Broke, having a child is now "the single best predictor" of bankruptcy. "
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In the face of such hardships, many families have sent both parents into the workforce to try to make ends meet. After all, surely if both parents work full-time it shouldn't be hard to ensure financial security, right? Wrong, say authors Elizabeth Warren and Amelia Tyagi, in their book, The Two Income Trap. Two-income families are almost always worse off than their single-income counterparts were a generation ago, even though they pull in 75 percent more in income. The problem is that so many fixed costs are rising -- health care, child care, finding a good home -- that two-income families today actually have less discretionary money left over than those single-earner families did. As the authors write: "Our data show families in financial trouble are working hard, playing by the rules -- and the game is stacked against them."
Amelia Tyagi recently sat down with MotherJones.com to talk about the two-income trap: how families get into to it, how it affects them, and what can be done to help them out.
MotherJones.com: Can you explain what the two-income trap is?
Amelia Tyagi: More and more families today are sending both parents into the workforce -- t's become the norm, it's what we now expect. The overwhelming majority of us do it because we think it will make our families more secure. But that's not how things have worked out. By the end of this decade, one in seven families with children will go bankrupt. Having a child is now the single best predictor of bankruptcy, and this holds true even for families with two incomes.
So we looked at the data for two-income families today earning an average income. What we found was that, while those families certainly make more money than a one-income family did a generation ago, by the time they pay for the basics -- an average home, a health insurance policy, a second car to get Mom to work, child care, and taxes -- that family actually has less money left over at the end of the month to show for it. We tend to assume
also another perspective.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/11/two-income-trap
Middle-class parents are stretched thin these days. Between health care costs, child care hassles, looking for a home in a good district, and paying for college, raising a child is becoming increasingly expensive. Little wonder, then, that married couples with children are more than twice as likely to file for bankruptcy as their childless counterparts, and 75 percent more likely to have their homes foreclosed. And the danger is growing worse by the year: In 2002 1.6 million people filed for bankruptcy, many of those middle-class parents. a record . As Elizabeth Warren and Amelia Tyagi note in their book, The Two-Income Trap: Why Middle-Class Mothers & Fathers Are Going Broke, having a child is now "the single best predictor" of bankruptcy. "
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In the face of such hardships, many families have sent both parents into the workforce to try to make ends meet. After all, surely if both parents work full-time it shouldn't be hard to ensure financial security, right? Wrong, say authors Elizabeth Warren and Amelia Tyagi, in their book, The Two Income Trap. Two-income families are almost always worse off than their single-income counterparts were a generation ago, even though they pull in 75 percent more in income. The problem is that so many fixed costs are rising -- health care, child care, finding a good home -- that two-income families today actually have less discretionary money left over than those single-earner families did. As the authors write: "Our data show families in financial trouble are working hard, playing by the rules -- and the game is stacked against them."
Amelia Tyagi recently sat down with MotherJones.com to talk about the two-income trap: how families get into to it, how it affects them, and what can be done to help them out.
MotherJones.com: Can you explain what the two-income trap is?
Amelia Tyagi: More and more families today are sending both parents into the workforce -- t's become the norm, it's what we now expect. The overwhelming majority of us do it because we think it will make our families more secure. But that's not how things have worked out. By the end of this decade, one in seven families with children will go bankrupt. Having a child is now the single best predictor of bankruptcy, and this holds true even for families with two incomes.
So we looked at the data for two-income families today earning an average income. What we found was that, while those families certainly make more money than a one-income family did a generation ago, by the time they pay for the basics -- an average home, a health insurance policy, a second car to get Mom to work, child care, and taxes -- that family actually has less money left over at the end of the month to show for it. We tend to assume
MJ.com: In the past, it seems like a stay-at-home mom could act as an insurance policy for the family if the dad was laid off or whatnot. But today two-income families have nothing to fall back on in the event of a disaster.
AT: Right. It used to be that a stay-at-home parent was a sort of safety net -- she (and it was usually a "she") not only took care of the children, but she was there if anyone got sick. Or if Grandma broke a hip, she could step in and provide care without costing the family financially. But today, with both parents in the workforce 100 percent of the time, there's just no way to care for somebody on the side -- either somebody has to take time off work or somebody has to pay someone to provide that care. In either it represents a big financial blow, and families just don't have the flexibility to deal with it anymore.
MJ.com: Some conservative commentators might see this as evidence that the mother should return home.
AT: [Laughs] Right. Of course, the notion that mothers are all going to run pell-mell back to the hearth and turn back the clock to 1950 is absurd. But that aside, a big part of the two-income trap is that families have basically bid up the cost of living. Housing is a big example. A generation ago, an average family could buy an average home on one income. Today you can't do that in three-quarters of American cities. We all know that housing prices are going up, but what most people don't realize is that this has become a family problem. Housing prices are rising twice as fast for families with kids.
A lot of that has to do with public schools. As confidence in the public schools has dwindled, people are bidding up the prices on homes in those school districts with good reputations; so for a typical family, the only way to afford one of those homes is to send mom to work. Average mortgage expenses have gone 70 times faster than the average father's income, and the only way families are keeping up is by bringing in two incomes.
Of course that's where you see the trap. If families were simply sending Mom into the workforce and using that money to build their savings, or to have more fun, or to go on more vacations, you wouldn't see the same kind of financial trap. If Mom or Dad got laid off, heck, they'd stop going on vacation. But that's not the case. If mom gets laid off now you can't say, "Well, we'll just stop paying the mortgage for awhile." One of the things we've heard over and over after our book was released was mothers stepping forward and saying: "You're telling my story. You know, maybe I prefer to work and maybe I don't, but I tell you I have no choice financially. The only way we're getting health insurance and the only way I'm sending my kids to a decent school is for me to work and work some more."
MJ.com: Even so, there still seems to be this perception that families are only going bankrupt because they're splurging on frivolities.
AT: Right. It used to be that a stay-at-home parent was a sort of safety net -- she (and it was usually a "she") not only took care of the children, but she was there if anyone got sick. Or if Grandma broke a hip, she could step in and provide care without costing the family financially. But today, with both parents in the workforce 100 percent of the time, there's just no way to care for somebody on the side -- either somebody has to take time off work or somebody has to pay someone to provide that care. In either it represents a big financial blow, and families just don't have the flexibility to deal with it anymore.
MJ.com: Some conservative commentators might see this as evidence that the mother should return home.
AT: [Laughs] Right. Of course, the notion that mothers are all going to run pell-mell back to the hearth and turn back the clock to 1950 is absurd. But that aside, a big part of the two-income trap is that families have basically bid up the cost of living. Housing is a big example. A generation ago, an average family could buy an average home on one income. Today you can't do that in three-quarters of American cities. We all know that housing prices are going up, but what most people don't realize is that this has become a family problem. Housing prices are rising twice as fast for families with kids.
A lot of that has to do with public schools. As confidence in the public schools has dwindled, people are bidding up the prices on homes in those school districts with good reputations; so for a typical family, the only way to afford one of those homes is to send mom to work. Average mortgage expenses have gone 70 times faster than the average father's income, and the only way families are keeping up is by bringing in two incomes.
Of course that's where you see the trap. If families were simply sending Mom into the workforce and using that money to build their savings, or to have more fun, or to go on more vacations, you wouldn't see the same kind of financial trap. If Mom or Dad got laid off, heck, they'd stop going on vacation. But that's not the case. If mom gets laid off now you can't say, "Well, we'll just stop paying the mortgage for awhile." One of the things we've heard over and over after our book was released was mothers stepping forward and saying: "You're telling my story. You know, maybe I prefer to work and maybe I don't, but I tell you I have no choice financially. The only way we're getting health insurance and the only way I'm sending my kids to a decent school is for me to work and work some more."
MJ.com: Even so, there still seems to be this perception that families are only going bankrupt because they're splurging on frivolities.
Posted by blackphasegirl do we have to go through this again—
I want whatever makes him happy.. bottom line. I am okay with my man working anywhere. The fact that he is working and contributing is enough for me.. but what's most important is his happiness in what he is doing.
There is nothing wrong with being a truck driver, post man or delivery boy.. unless you are just a money hungry female who doesn't want to take care of herself and would prefer to rely on a man to do it all for her.
it's almost lunch time so ...
anyway you were complaining about your libra/sag moon guy who has a cigarette habit.
damn!!!!!
and hell yeah i'm earth dominant so I need security!!!!
you damn right I want a man who PROVIDES. it's the TRUTH and I LOVE IT.
you?? you'll be sitting around complaining about your cigarette habit guy who can't contribute.
plus you and I are different.
you want a man who is like a woman.
cause you wear the pants.
you want a man who is like a woman.
cause you wear the pants.
Posted by blackphaseme and whatthe crab already finished what we needed to say.Posted by whatthecrabhttps://49.media.tumblr.com/1fdea851fe9e8467bffe2f533a64b654/tumblr_ne2xgj19sh1rnhnqfo1_500.gif
Back peddling. Yeah ok.
You just be happy with the perfect life and husband you portray to have here and let others have their own beliefs without attacking them.
Attacking my looks is old and tired to me btw. I've been shut out and excluded by women like you all my life. I dont even care to address that competitive petty bullshit. One would think an Aqua woman like yourself would know better than to do that. "It boggles your mind" because unlike you, I don't need to hitch myself to a breadwinner to be content with myself. It's hard for you to fantom. That's ok if it is what makes you happy, but don't attack me for the assumptions you have made up about me. As for where I live, @dxpnet has my IP address, it reads EUROPE BABYYYY and tbh it isn't a big deal to be living here really.
Your attacks seem to be a pattern with every women you think is pretty on here..
Have fun taking jabs at me and assume things about me without knowing me. Because Im done with chuuu.
no wonder geminis get BORED.
don't you have some articles to read??
more articles to look up online!!! good reads for those who are bored. lol
instead of picking and accusing others for having a good man who PROVIDES. I LOVE my man.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Two-Income-Trap-Middle-Class-Parents/dp/0465090907
more articles. also some good comments below for anyone.
http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-myth-of-needing-two-incomes.html
Happy Mama commented on one of my recent posts. I thought it was so beautifully written that I would make it into a post. I will let her words minister to you ~
Just commenting on some of the comments...It is sad to me that some people think that having two incomes is a necessity. You may need two incomes to keep up your current lifestyle, but you don't need two incomes. You just have to learn to live within your means, which may mean getting rid of a second car, living in an apartment not a house, learning to cook simple meals, buying second hand-only things that are really needed.
My husband is disabled and we live on his disability income. It is extremely financially tight, but I would never leave my role as a homemaker for more money. I have found ways to help us earn a few extra dollars {selling things online} that has blessed my family without leaving my role as homemaker {the Proverbs 31 woman made money through her extra work at her home}. I completely accept we will always live in an apartment, we will always live humbly. But nothing is more important than caring for my home and family.
A simple humble life with my loved ones is better than any big paycheck. People are what make life great, not things. As long as your husband has an income, however small, you can live off it. Nothing is more precious to me than raising my children and caring for my family.
After reading Money Saving Secrets of the Amish, I was really inspired by even the things I think of as necessities. The Amish were asked if they could spend extra money on some luxuries what they would buy. One of the Amish mentioned a salad dressing they really liked, but was only a special treat. One of the ladies mentioned Ritz crackers. Even many food items aren't necessities {I have always thought all food counts as necessities}, but really if you look at how people who live the most humble eat ~ much of even the food bought and sold in America are luxuries. I was greatly encouraged to think more simply after reading this wonderful book, and it really made me think about what are true needs vs. wants, even with regards to food. Just wanted to share that too.
instead of picking and accusing others for having a good man who PROVIDES. I LOVE my man.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Two-Income-Trap-Middle-Class-Parents/dp/0465090907
more articles. also some good comments below for anyone.
http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-myth-of-needing-two-incomes.html
Happy Mama commented on one of my recent posts. I thought it was so beautifully written that I would make it into a post. I will let her words minister to you ~
Just commenting on some of the comments...It is sad to me that some people think that having two incomes is a necessity. You may need two incomes to keep up your current lifestyle, but you don't need two incomes. You just have to learn to live within your means, which may mean getting rid of a second car, living in an apartment not a house, learning to cook simple meals, buying second hand-only things that are really needed.
My husband is disabled and we live on his disability income. It is extremely financially tight, but I would never leave my role as a homemaker for more money. I have found ways to help us earn a few extra dollars {selling things online} that has blessed my family without leaving my role as homemaker {the Proverbs 31 woman made money through her extra work at her home}. I completely accept we will always live in an apartment, we will always live humbly. But nothing is more important than caring for my home and family.
A simple humble life with my loved ones is better than any big paycheck. People are what make life great, not things. As long as your husband has an income, however small, you can live off it. Nothing is more precious to me than raising my children and caring for my family.
After reading Money Saving Secrets of the Amish, I was really inspired by even the things I think of as necessities. The Amish were asked if they could spend extra money on some luxuries what they would buy. One of the Amish mentioned a salad dressing they really liked, but was only a special treat. One of the ladies mentioned Ritz crackers. Even many food items aren't necessities {I have always thought all food counts as necessities}, but really if you look at how people who live the most humble eat ~ much of even the food bought and sold in America are luxuries. I was greatly encouraged to think more simply after reading this wonderful book, and it really made me think about what are true needs vs. wants, even with regards to food. Just wanted to share that too.
Posted by blessyouwell you would either find a woman who will complement you with an extra income, maybe she will be the breadwinner.
The fact that there's a thread talking about the pockets of men, only lets men know what y'all minds are on.. Just don't get mad when they act funny because they already what y'all was on. I ain't getting married or cuffed. Nothing. I'm good. This'll be the last time I speak on women in general. I'm done after this, you know? So.. yeah.
OR you will be the main provider.
both are good, it all depends on your needs and priorities and what you both love.
at least now you know what some of us ladies are and what we like.
there are men here too who like women who are into careers so that's awesome as well.
Posted by DMVFangirlthat's good for them.
I didn't read this whole thread but I used to do payroll for truck drivers who hauled for the government and they easily made 6 figures. And they weren't out of state at all. Don't be so judgemental. They're not all greasy fat bald men eating Cheetos.
it's a respectable job/career.
anyone who says it isn't is just ridiculous. All these mentioned above are very very respectable.
it's not like prostituting. or working criminal jobs like drug trafficking.
the other day I was talking to my man about how funeral costs and if you're poor, how they do it, ect.
and my man was saying, what does it matter what other people do with their funeral and if they're poor. Only women NEED to think and know what other people do.
it's like women, are the "OTHER" and want to know and are curious. Just mind your own business.
i'm like. hm.
you're right. we all NEED to know this shit. Even those online articles are mostly women.
and my man was saying, what does it matter what other people do with their funeral and if they're poor. Only women NEED to think and know what other people do.
it's like women, are the "OTHER" and want to know and are curious. Just mind your own business.
i'm like. hm.
you're right. we all NEED to know this shit. Even those online articles are mostly women.
Posted by blackphasePosted by lisabethur8Go through what? I just answered your question... My fkn bad.Posted by blackphasegirl do we have to go through this again—
I want whatever makes him happy.. bottom line. I am okay with my man working anywhere. The fact that he is working and contributing is enough for me.. but what's most important is his happiness in what he is doing.
There is nothing wrong with being a truck driver, post man or delivery boy.. unless you are just a money hungry female who doesn't want to take care of herself and would prefer to rely on a man to do it all for her.
it's almost lunch time so ...
anyway you were complaining about your libra/sag moon guy who has a cigarette habit.
damn!!!!!
and hell yeah i'm earth dominant so I need security!!!!
you damn right I want a man who PROVIDES. it's the TRUTH and I LOVE IT.
you?? you'll be sitting around complaining about your cigarette habit guy who can't contribute.
I smoke as well.. I don't know what you are getting at. I can't answer a question without you trying to dig up my history..
And my boyfriend works and does contribute.. why do you keep trying to dig up shit like you know my life? LOL
You remember one comment from when my fella had broke his collar bone and was off work for months and we were strapped for cash.. not that I should have to explain any of that to you, but you're so damn dense and it didn't seem to sink in the last 10 times I said it.
I provide for myself, relying on a man is fkn selfish. I want my man to respect me not view me as a lazy piece of shit.click to expand
well just pointing out that you did complain and was annoyed by his habit and asking for money.
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