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and the guys that even order for the girl lolol wtf even is that
That, Libra Moon, is one of the hottest things ever. But up until...6 years ago I would have had the same reaction.

I was coming back towards our table on this first date after I went to the ladies' room...when I saw this mysterious cocktail in front of me. We were at a place that has no menu and you will just ask them to mix whatever drinks you want for cocktails.

So I look at him and go "Uhm what is this?"

"Oh I took the liberty to order for you. You can have whatever you want too but if you'll just taste it? I'm really curious if I got it right...I guessed at what I would like".

The sequence of events in my head:

"how DARE he? that's some nerve!"

"Hmm I gotta respect the nerve though"

"I kinda like his nerve"

"-.-"

"What is this new feeling that I'm experiencing"

"Fuck I feel girly and all vulnerable."

"I kinda enjoy this feeling"

"DAMN I LOVE THIS FEELING"

...and I haven't looked back since.

Doesn't even matter if I would like it or not...the act of it speaks somewhere in my subconscious as a dominant move. A nice dominant move, not some fifty shades of grey kind of shit.

I'd recommend it used only for drinks though cuz food allergies are numerous and tastes are picky and if you don't like it you'd feel bad if you set it aside. But a drink, my sheer curiosity will have me down that.


I feel like drinks are much different than food.

If someone ordered food for me I would want to stab them with the butterknife at the table

So I think the same respect should be returned


....and one of the many differences between our opposite moons.

I would love for someone to order for me.

It's like a magical surprise that I don't know what I am going to get until I get it 😛

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omg food is srs business for me. There can be no surprises. lol
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I'd rather do it but Im not gonna argue about it. If they give me the cliche "you're not paying for mine" I will prolly say yes I am once, but after that then she can just pay for whatever portion she wants.

I used to wait tables and sometimes saw couples get into legit squabbles about who would be paying. Idk who has time for that crap. Arguing in public is the worst. Libra moon would rather die.
You know what I see a lot of?

Birthday people paying for the entire dinner.

"WE'RE OUT CELEBRATING. IT'S HIS/HER BIRTHDAY LOL!!!"

*watches birthday person pay for themselves or the entire table*

... It makes me sad.
I find difference in cultures fascinating.

That is the way things go here. It's seen as "It's my birthday so I am celebrating the day I was born so I will repay the luck I've had with running into you folks in this life."

It's disrespectful to pay for the person whose birthday is, as is to want to pay for yourself. What you can do is bring a gift. But even without the gift, even if you just run into someone and tell them happy birthday they will invite you for a drink.
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Unfortunately, when I see it here, it's not so much cultural but "I'm cheap and selfish and don't have any common courtesy."

But here, yeah, a lot of people hold the mindset that paying for the birthday person is a form of gift.
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Once again, you turn a topic into something entirely about you and how you're the victim.

First off. This is a topic about people's individual perspectives. That means each and every person's response is supposed to be about /them/ and their own thoughts and feelings.

Secondly even if it wasn't. I have no obligation to get involved with something if my involvement doesn't somehow benefit or revolve around myself.

Thirdly this isn't about just myself. But about all men. I'm not saying women aren't victims of the system either. But that doesn't mean that if /they/ are fine with it and want to uphold it, that, that makes everything hunky dory as if the only problem with the system was on the woman's end.

As if women are the only victims. You're a total hypocrite here. Every time I turn around. You're basically saying I can't have a problem with anything. I can't have concerns or problems or whatever. Because I'm man. Because men are NEVER the victims.

Fourthly I really do not consider myself a victim specifically because I'm not weak and vulnerable. I don't have to put up with that which I criticize, and I don't. I'm not a victim because ultimately. I'm not submitting to the abuse.

Nonono I'm not a victim. Because I don't date narcissistic cunts.
Tell us more about how your a victim of society being a white male, lmao.
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Seriously. I'd have no problem regarding his viewpoints if it wasn't full of self victimizing shit. Hard to take any of it seriously when the underlying tone is "we have it worse!" coming from the gender who has more privilege in society. That, and the utter entitlement and whining about how life isn't fair because snowflake asses like his thinks everything should go his way 100% of the time. "I've done everything Disney told me to, now where's my woman I'm entitled to since I did the bare minimum effort of an unrealistic list to get that woman??"

Millennial mindsets are so see through and the sad thing is that they don't see it.

This is why parents shouldn't bargain with their kids. They grow up thinking this is how life is and when it doesn't go their way, tantrum city.
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Do I expect it? No. I always go in expecting to pay for myself. If he insists, I let him. I'll protest, but eventually let him have his way because he wants to do it and it makes him feel all masculine or whatever, then fine.

I dislike women who expect guys to do it. It's rude. I also dislike that guys have expected strings attached when paying for dinner. They essentially turn you into their personal prostitute in that sense.

"Well I paid for you, so I'm entitled to your vagina."
and this is why I learned to not pay....

I don't pay for the first dates. I wanted to pay for 1 girl when i was younger... Because I wanted to be courteous , respectful, a gentleman and all that.. But she got fucking mad. Almost yelling in the restaurant and all that.

" are you trying to buy my pussy "

" I am a strong independent woman, I don't need your money " and all that politically correct shit...

She was kind of right, but went full aggressive against me. When all I wanted to do was to pay and be a charming gentleman because I'm a fucking Libra.... 😄 lmao

So yeah. I will never pay in Canada if I don't know the woman. Canada is just too politically correct / all about equality / women's rights and all that...

The roles are reversed in this country. You have the strongest women in the world with the biggest balls and the poor guys are just used as a toy. They are scared and vulnerable.

Women have more rights than men here! No joke.

I will only pay for a woman when we start to be serious / in a relationship. Never first 3 dates... Not in Canada.
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So one dipshit woman = all of Canada?

Lovely deduction skills you have there. No wonder you're so whiney.

Wtf is in the water with some of you dudes? One bad instance and you get turned off to everyone for life? Jfc get over it and move on. Bunch of sensitive weiners up in here.

I've had guys pay for dinner with the expectation of sex and it didn't scar me for life or turn me off to any of it. It just resulted in no more dates with said asshole. Every situation is a clean slate and until someone proves otherwise and going around assuming this will be a problem with every other person is an unevolved, immature way of thinking.

The only reason you're "scared and vulnerable" is either a character flaw on your part, or the fact you've got a bunch of insecure weenies who value their ego over common sense. Neither of which are directly caused by women per se. Just more finger pointing and not taking accountability for one's own actions, as per usual with your bunch.

Solution- grow up.
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and the guys that even order for the girl lolol wtf even is that
That, Libra Moon, is one of the hottest things ever. But up until...6 years ago I would have had the same reaction.

I was coming back towards our table on this first date after I went to the ladies' room...when I saw this mysterious cocktail in front of me. We were at a place that has no menu and you will just ask them to mix whatever drinks you want for cocktails.

So I look at him and go "Uhm what is this?"

"Oh I took the liberty to order for you. You can have whatever you want too but if you'll just taste it? I'm really curious if I got it right...I guessed at what I would like".

The sequence of events in my head:

"how DARE he? that's some nerve!"

"Hmm I gotta respect the nerve though"

"I kinda like his nerve"

"-.-"

"What is this new feeling that I'm experiencing"

"Fuck I feel girly and all vulnerable."

"I kinda enjoy this feeling"

"DAMN I LOVE THIS FEELING"

...and I haven't looked back since.

Doesn't even matter if I would like it or not...the act of it speaks somewhere in my subconscious as a dominant move. A nice dominant move, not some fifty shades of grey kind of shit.

I'd recommend it used only for drinks though cuz food allergies are numerous and tastes are picky and if you don't like it you'd feel bad if you set it aside. But a drink, my sheer curiosity will have me down that.


I feel like drinks are much different than food.

If someone ordered food for me I would want to stab them with the butterknife at the table

So I think the same respect should be returned


....and one of the many differences between our opposite moons.

I would love for someone to order for me.

It's like a magical surprise that I don't know what I am going to get until I get it 😛

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That's because you're passive as fuck.
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I just watched a video last night, of a guy asking if men should always pay for dinner. I found it fascinating the amount of "yeas" I heard when he asked if men should always pay for dinner. I have never been one to think a man should pay, but it got me thinking. How many women actually think it is the man's responsibility to pay for everything regardless of the length of the relationship?

For me, I sided with the speaker. But that is me.

Here is the video in case some of you want to watch it.


Why should the man pay for that dinner or whatever? that's what i don't understand

Sure the guy might have asked the girl out or whatever, but both of them went there so both should pay, the reason? because you don't know if it there is going to be a second date

so why waste money on a girl with whom you might not make it to a second date?

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Lol, but that's the risk that you take. You shouldn't go on a first date with the expectation that there might not be a second date.

I don't think you should date at all to be honest. That would save you a lot of money in the long run. Just ask them over for Netflix and chill.?

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I just watched a video last night, of a guy asking if men should always pay for dinner. I found it fascinating the amount of "yeas" I heard when he asked if men should always pay for dinner. I have never been one to think a man should pay, but it got me thinking. How many women actually think it is the man's responsibility to pay for everything regardless of the length of the relationship?

For me, I sided with the speaker. But that is me.

Here is the video in case some of you want to watch it.


I took a quick look at the video and thought....whoa he looks very similar to Chris Evans!!

the Xmen Avenger guy, Captain America, Gemini sun/Scorpio moon/Gem mars?



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Once again, you turn a topic into something entirely about you and how you're the victim.

First off. This is a topic about people's individual perspectives. That means each and every person's response is supposed to be about /them/ and their own thoughts and feelings.

Secondly even if it wasn't. I have no obligation to get involved with something if my involvement doesn't somehow benefit or revolve around myself.

Thirdly this isn't about just myself. But about all men. I'm not saying women aren't victims of the system either. But that doesn't mean that if /they/ are fine with it and want to uphold it, that, that makes everything hunky dory as if the only problem with the system was on the woman's end.

As if women are the only victims. You're a total hypocrite here. Every time I turn around. You're basically saying I can't have a problem with anything. I can't have concerns or problems or whatever. Because I'm man. Because men are NEVER the victims.

Fourthly I really do not consider myself a victim specifically because I'm not weak and vulnerable. I don't have to put up with that which I criticize, and I don't. I'm not a victim because ultimately. I'm not submitting to the abuse.

Nonono I'm not a victim. Because I don't date narcissistic cunts.

Tell us more about how your a victim of society being a white male, lmao.

Tell me how you're a victim of US society being a White Woman, lmao.

Seriously tho. I just love when people shrug off oppression simply because it's not the worst oppression of all time.Herpderp.

What's funny is. The most oppressed group of all is Atheists. They have been and still are, more oppressed than black people. Or any other oppressed group sans maybe the Jews. It's a close tie with the Jews.

But nobody bats an eye at that.
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I've never said I was oppressed, you did. But nice back peddle.

Also for the record I am both of Israeli descent and am an atheist, but again you don't see me bitching and moaning. Your so beta.

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I dated alot, so for me I always paid the bill upfront if I invited her out. If we were going back and forth with dates we would just rotate on who's treat it was because we'll were 20 somethings penny pinchers. sometimes a date was a small picnic by the river because I was broke. But usually that was ok with them =D
you got the most likes. lol

that's how it is with guys (edit for correction) all the guys I know. I don't know many cheapskates men... I know everywhere. they always pay.

unless it's specified it's NOT a date and just a group of people.
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I dated alot, so for me I always paid the bill upfront if I invited her out. If we were going back and forth with dates we would just rotate on who's treat it was because we'll were 20 somethings penny pinchers. sometimes a date was a small picnic by the river because I was broke. But usually that was ok with them =D
you got the most likes. lol

that's how it is with guys (edit for correction) all the guys I know. I don't know many cheapskates men... I know everywhere. they always pay.

unless it's specified it's NOT a date and just a group of people.
technically No Date Tiz got the most likes
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lol

I didn't see it. I didn't read further than the first page. lol
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Once again, you turn a topic into something entirely about you and how you're the victim.

First off. This is a topic about people's individual perspectives. That means each and every person's response is supposed to be about /them/ and their own thoughts and feelings.

Secondly even if it wasn't. I have no obligation to get involved with something if my involvement doesn't somehow benefit or revolve around myself.

Thirdly this isn't about just myself. But about all men. I'm not saying women aren't victims of the system either. But that doesn't mean that if /they/ are fine with it and want to uphold it, that, that makes everything hunky dory as if the only problem with the system was on the woman's end.

As if women are the only victims. You're a total hypocrite here. Every time I turn around. You're basically saying I can't have a problem with anything. I can't have concerns or problems or whatever. Because I'm man. Because men are NEVER the victims.

Fourthly I really do not consider myself a victim specifically because I'm not weak and vulnerable. I don't have to put up with that which I criticize, and I don't. I'm not a victim because ultimately. I'm not submitting to the abuse.

Nonono I'm not a victim. Because I don't date narcissistic cunts.

Tell us more about how your a victim of society being a white male, lmao.

Tell me how you're a victim of US society being a White Woman, lmao.

Seriously tho. I just love when people shrug off oppression simply because it's not the worst oppression of all time.Herpderp.

What's funny is. The most oppressed group of all is Atheists. They have been and still are, more oppressed than black people. Or any other oppressed group sans maybe the Jews. It's a close tie with the Jews.

But nobody bats an eye at that.

I've never said I was oppressed, you did. But nice back peddle.

Also for the record I am both of Israeli descent and am an atheist, but again you don't see me bitching and moaning. Your so beta.



No you retard, beta would be bending over and taking shit. Betas suck up to people. Betas submit. I'm proving my authority by not submitting to oppression.

So you can go suck a dick because being alpha doesn't mean you are invincible and above people trying to subjegate and harm you.

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Beta's bitch and moan about how unfair the situation is instead of taking charge and doing something to change their circumstances. Boo hoo, keep crying bitch.
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i watched the video just now

the woman : "during the dating period, like after 4 or 5 months of dating... at what point does the woman has to pay when they go out?"



wow. seriously? after 4 or 5 months of going out without paying a dime?? why would someone like this has a right to ask for equality? also, if she really cares about the guy, she would want to help him out and make sure he also enjoys the time together without feeling burdened.

i look down on leeches, regardless of gender

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Beta's bitch and moan about how unfair the situation is instead of taking charge and doing something to change their circumstances. Boo hoo, keep crying bitch.

Ever heard of activism? Gotta make a voice for the thing you want to set into motion. Someone has to say it, might as well be me.

As far as addressing the problem goes. Like I said. I already did. By not dating narcissistic bitches.

Why you think I'm all bout dat smart, respectful, wise and mature Mena?
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LMAO @'activism'. Yes tell us about the struggle of the white man.
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Warning *generalizations coming*

Men will sleep will anything.

Woman are fickle daters and statistically have less sexual partners then men by choice as women are approached all the time by men but choice who to sleep with.

It just is what it is my son.



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Here it is. Here's a prime example of a Beta. This guy.


You shouldn't have women fight your battles son.



Lmao you know nothing about the "dynamic" between me and LN. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm just killing 2 birds with 1 chode. The ultimate cuckficiency.

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Lol neither do you. Your straight up delusional about every social interaction you have on here.
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Beta's bitch and moan about how unfair the situation is instead of taking charge and doing something to change their circumstances. Boo hoo, keep crying bitch.

Ever heard of activism? Gotta make a voice for the thing you want to set into motion. Someone has to say it, might as well be me.

As far as addressing the problem goes. Like I said. I already did. By not dating narcissistic bitches.

Why you think I'm all bout dat smart, respectful, wise and mature Mena?
LMAO @'activism'. Yes tell us about the struggle of the white man.

Men in general.

How bout that one time when only men could be drafted. Murder is the worst thing you can do to a person. But apparently murdering men en masse pointlessly and/or against their will is perfectly fine.

Or that time when women bitched about being "objectified" in media. But nobody bats an eye when the protagonist of a story kills countless "irrelevant" male characters standing in their way.

What about that time when a man was considered a less reliable/trustworthy/deserving parent as the mother in court. What about that time when only men had to pay child support. What about that time alimony, an antiquated barbaric tradition, was still in place even tho women are supposedly equally capable and should be forced to take care of their own asses like grown ass adults?

Oh yeh. A lot of this is still a thing. Not past tense. Plus the fact that any of it ever happened proved my point.

As if being legally obligated to die, was just baby shit. But not being able to pick which retarded clown runs our country is OH SO IMPORTANT.
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#whitemenslivesmatter

Cry me a fucking river, bottom bitch.
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Cry me a fucking river, bottom bitch.

You're hilarious you know that? It's so obvious you're TRYING to get at me. Cute actually. Whittle princess pissy pants.

How's that once a week boyfriend workin out?
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Yeah cause insults = trying to get at you.

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Bro you on another plane of delusion. I called you out for being a whiny bitch. I know your obsessed with my Gem, his dick game is good. But you'll need to look elsewhere to fill that void.
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It depends.

If I invited you out. If the context is, this is supposed to be some sort of gesture on my part. Of course I'll pay for it. Otherwise it's like taking someone to the store saying "I'll get you a gift but YOU have to pay for it".

What my complaints around DXP have been. Is more centered around the subliminal double standard latent within the fact that nobody is saying "women should have to try to woo and earn men".

Men are told they have to /earn/ a woman. Whereas women are told they are just entitled to it because they can get men willy nilly.

What's funny is women don't care to change this injustice UNTIL they realize that men uphold this system because it means /they/ can just BUY sex. They can objectify and own you. Once you recognize this aspect of it. You rebel against the status quo. But only for this self-absorbed reason alone.
Supply and demand.

Everyone wants nudes from girls. Girls are picky with whom how much intimacy they share.(Supply and Demand)

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So true.. so here you go 😛

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It depends.

If I invited you out. If the context is, this is supposed to be some sort of gesture on my part. Of course I'll pay for it. Otherwise it's like taking someone to the store saying "I'll get you a gift but YOU have to pay for it".

What my complaints around DXP have been. Is more centered around the subliminal double standard latent within the fact that nobody is saying "women should have to try to woo and earn men".

Men are told they have to /earn/ a woman. Whereas women are told they are just entitled to it because they can get men willy nilly.

What's funny is women don't care to change this injustice UNTIL they realize that men uphold this system because it means /they/ can just BUY sex. They can objectify and own you. Once you recognize this aspect of it. You rebel against the status quo. But only for this self-absorbed reason alone.
Supply and demand.

Everyone wants nudes from girls. Girls are picky with whom how much intimacy they share.(Supply and Demand)


So true.. so here you go 😛

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Ayyy I knew you digged me.

LEGGO.

Lol xx



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Cry me a fucking river, bottom bitch.

You're hilarious you know that? It's so obvious you're TRYING to get at me. Cute actually. Whittle princess pissy pants.

How's that once a week boyfriend workin out?

Yeah cause insults = trying to get at you.

Shrug. You are always hawkin me with your snappy stick up the butt.



Bro you on another plane of delusion. I called you out for being a whiny bitch. I know your obsessed with my Gem, his dick game is good. But you'll need to look elsewhere to fill that void.

Lmao he's a Gem too? This is hilarious. What's his Moon? Pisces and Gem. The worst possible combination you could make.

The only delusional one here is you. He barely sees you at all and I know damn well your guys' online communication is completely devoid of any legitimate deep or intense communication.

He's gotta have a big dick. That much I can believe. Because it's obviously the only thing keeping you involved with this dude. Too bad that ain't really worth jack shit lololol
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Lol nice try. It amuses me that you think you know anything about my relationship or how often he sees me. Attacking my personal life is just too transparent, butt hurt much?
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Lol nice try. It amuses me that you think you know anything about my relationship or how often he sees me. Attacking my personal life is just too transparent, butt hurt much?

You said somethin about it on the forum.

I'm perfectly fine. Shrug.

Prove it. Where's the quote.

Prove that your relationship isn't more devoid of emotional depth and intensity than a rock.

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Let's say I wanted to prove anything to you (which I don't cause your opinion means shit all).

How does one go about 'proving' emotional depth to an internet stranger? You should really think before you hit that post button.
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I think the dinner idea should be abolished as a first date.

For one, it's stagnant. You sit at that table...and try to come up with things to talk about with someone.

Then...since there's nothing to connect with there...you see that dark cloud of ...how will this dinner end. Who will pay for what. People are so in their head about the end they don't even make enough out of the journey.

I've seen countless people fight at food venues. Never saw any fight at any event. Ice skate ring? Never saw someone go "Let's go dutch"...it's always someone paying for someone else.

I'll just say I appreciate and I'm grateful when I run into people with a similar mindset to mine. Generosity in creating an experience all the way always registers for me. I found it with friends and all the people I dated.
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Let's say I wanted to prove anything to you (which I don't cause your opinion means shit all).

How does one go about 'proving' emotional depth to an internet stranger? You should really think before you hit that post button.

You remember that time Nikki posted my PMs?

Like that lolol
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Do you really consider your harassing pm's as emotional depth?!! yes harassing as she requested MANY times that you cease.

Your logic is laughable. As men's brains aren't fully develop until age 25, I suppose that accounts for some of your nonsense. Still, do better.
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Posted by AfternoonDelights22
Posted by Damnata


I'll just say I appreciate and I'm grateful when I run into people with a similar mindset to mine. Generosity in creating an experience all the way always registers for me. I found it with friends and all the people I dated.


Yeah me too bruh
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Actually you don't cuz I remember I wanted to do something nice for you and had it all set up and...

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@Damnata
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Posted by TerramineLightvoid

Hold the fuck up.

First of all, I thought I got rid of your bitch ass. Second, I haven't blocked a single soul because I feel that way towards everyone. Second, I troll to troll. But you, you're just pathetic and don't understand shit. I have not ignored a single person on this site, BUT YOU. Because I realize just how mentally unwell you are, and realized it would be improper for me to continue to troll you the way I troll people like DJ, or Panela. Even if I don't agree with those two, I understand they are mentally able to defend themselves.

I did ask you to stop, YOU didn't. You forced yourself on me time and time again. These are messages that PRE-DATE any of the pms I posted 4-5 days ago.

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I told you to stop privately. You didn't get it, you CONTINUED to quote me, send me PMs, and follow me the fuck around. Then call me manipulative because I didn't follow whatever the fuck you thought you deserved from me. Hell, someone told me you went on a fucking rant about "how you could have me if you wanted". And still, I didn't release any of those PMs you sent me to the public, cause I struggled really outing you because I know how FUCKED you are mentally. I knew to do so, would be a huge blow to your fucked up ego and mental health. And I am not a monster. So I continued to fucking ignore you, but a person only can tolerate so fucking much. And the end result was me releasing the crazy you subjected me to, to the DXP world because YOU WOULDN'T FUCKING STOP. You releasing a fucking crazy 7 minute vocaroo showing your BLARING mental health issues.

Everything calmed down, and I thought this fucking thing was done. But low and behold, I realized you unblocked me yesterday. Still I didn't say shit, even when I noticed you posted in here. Still I didn't interact with you, cause I thought it was over. I was free of your twisted obsession with me.

No, you went out of your way yesterday, commenting or making a comment in threads dedicated to me (Ands' thread to me), and user comments made by @Hare towards me. Talking about me with @Panela. Going place to place to place, doing the same shit you did before. Then here, you are having an issue with LN and you bring me up 2 times, and then write another wall of text directed at me.

You are mentally unhinged. You CANNOT leave me alone. But you want to call me manipulative because I fail to follow whatever convoluted plan your warped and twisted mind makes up.

Ain't nobody jealous of you, or Mena.

If anything, I feel fucking sorry that she can't realize how fucked up you are. That she is being made to look like a fool because of your antics. And this may piss some people off, but I think she obviously has some issues CHOOSING to associate her name with yours. Nothing good will come about it, cause you aren't right in the head on any level. You're the type of dude, that girls have to get restraining orders against.

Go fucking worry about her, and leave me the fuck alone. You are fucking nuts.
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Dude you're a drama whore through and through.