Ascendant/Descendant - The personality mirror

The ascendant is how we perceive our personality, our true self.

The descendant is how we are perceived by others in our partnerships.

For example, a Gemini ascendant would describe himself as a lifelong learner, curious and adaptable but other people would describe him as a Sagg (wise, a teacher and adventurous) because only the person or someone who is really close would know that the person like to learn and are curious but by result of all this knowledge and curiosity the person would appear wise and a explorer to others.

Do you agree?

Why is it relevant? There are people like me (Neptunian) who have trouble knowing what is the image they Project onto others and the descendant is this image.

The real challenge here is balancing who you really are with who you are through a partner lens like a mirror.

Posted by Thrasybulus

Can't really agree with this.

It's more that people think I'm super nice and an easy pushover but once that happens the famous iron fist in velvet gloves of Libra risings shows and I'm perceived as super cruel and aggressive.

Classic doomed if you do, doomed if you don't scenario.

You kinda agree...

You see yourself as a Libra (nice, harmony, balance) but when you activated your Aries DSC through a partnership you bring the opposite traits.

Probably, if you ask some partner of yours, they would describe you more as an Aries rather than a Libra.

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Posted by Thrasybulus

Can't really agree with this.

It's more that people think I'm super nice and an easy pushover but once that happens the famous iron fist in velvet gloves of Libra risings shows and I'm perceived as super cruel and aggressive.

Classic doomed if you do, doomed if you don't scenario.

You kinda agree...

You see yourself as a Libra (nice, harmony, balance) but when you activated your Aries DSC through a partnership you bring the opposite traits.

Probably, if you ask some partner of yours, they would describe you more as an Aries rather than a Libra.

Fair point.

Complete no to the other thing though.

I don't see myself as nice or gentle at all. That's what other attribute to me, not me.

The aries description is way closer to how I see myself.

Besides isn't the descendet the part you have to integrate into yourself or the part you lack? That's what I've read a couple of times.

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Interesting...and yes but its the part we think we lack so you may try to overcompensate being more like your DSC and less like your ASC

Its like the IC/MC axis... who we are deep down and who we are to the world to see

ASC/DC would be like who we appear to be and who we are when we talk to someone.

This makes sense, I don’t feel I have very strong asc qualities. I’m Libra asc, Aries desc.

I come off as intimidating, people have often said they felt nervous when meeting me or that they thought I was a bitch. I don’t mean to project this energy.. honestly it’s kinda hurtful lol. But I do have sun trine Pluto and I’m Saturn/Uranus dominant.

Wait I’m the opposite I have sag ascendant and Gem descendant so

ascendant sagittarius descendant gemini

Posted by LethalFantasia

Nope, I don't agree. No one has ever viewed me as a Taurus. But I do have Taurus qualities, I guess. Like I love beautiful things, nice furniture, comforting stuff, etc. But no, I wish people viewed me as strong, goal-oriented, calm and all that stuff. I am too crazy to be viewed like that.

I have these taurus "qualities" too and I've been perceived as calm, laid-back and patient but also way too serious (scorp asc), passionate & with extreme attitudes. So yeah, I think both the ascendant and descendant are part of who we are and both are perceived by others... sooner or later

I have the crazy too and am certainly not as balanced as taurus, but you're a scorpio asc. and not goal-oriented? Then your obsession lies in elsewhere. :p

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Posted by LethalFantasia

Nope, I don't agree. No one has ever viewed me as a Taurus. But I do have Taurus qualities, I guess. Like I love beautiful things, nice furniture, comforting stuff, etc. But no, I wish people viewed me as strong, goal-oriented, calm and all that stuff. I am too crazy to be viewed like that.

I have these taurus "qualities" too and I've been perceived as calm, laid-back and patient but also way too serious (scorp asc), passionate & with extreme attitudes. So yeah, I think both the ascendant and descendant are part of who we are and both are perceived by others... sooner or later

I have the crazy too and am certainly not as balanced as taurus, but you're a scorpio asc. and not goal-oriented? Then your obsession lies in elsewhere. :p

I'm a Scorpio Asc with Pluto in the 1st House. My whole life was about goals. The last two years... I am just like fuck it. And leaving it up to God. No matter how hard I try, life is just like "not right now kid." So I guess I have to wait for my time. My circumstances are very interesting and after fighting for years, I've thrown in the towel (for now).

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👊...I feel you on this!

I'm sure I exhibit some Taurusness but def tend to lean towards the scorp side in relationships. I have toned down the crazy though...but she is still there lol

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Posted by LethalFantasia

Nope, I don't agree. No one has ever viewed me as a Taurus. But I do have Taurus qualities, I guess. Like I love beautiful things, nice furniture, comforting stuff, etc. But no, I wish people viewed me as strong, goal-oriented, calm and all that stuff. I am too crazy to be viewed like that.

I have these taurus "qualities" too and I've been perceived as calm, laid-back and patient but also way too serious (scorp asc), passionate & with extreme attitudes. So yeah, I think both the ascendant and descendant are part of who we are and both are perceived by others... sooner or later

I have the crazy too and am certainly not as balanced as taurus, but you're a scorpio asc. and not goal-oriented? Then your obsession lies in elsewhere. :p

I'm a Scorpio Asc with Pluto in the 1st House. My whole life was about goals. The last two years... I am just like fuck it. And leaving it up to God. No matter how hard I try, life is just like "not right now kid." So I guess I have to wait for my time. My circumstances are very interesting and after fighting for years, I've thrown in the towel (for now).

👊...I feel you on this!

Yeah, I'm not a "giver upper," especially with Mars and MC in Leo in the 10th House, so you can imagine... But sometimes you just have to stop and let it go, and maybe life will open up for you. I've literally done everything I can so now I'm just like, meh, letting go.

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Yep...same here. Sometimes you just need a break...and let things happen and hope for the best lol

Do tell us more Professor Raad...

I see some truth in this on other people.

For me is a bit more complicated 😄 I suppose people see me as a Pisces 😄

Virgo ascendant

Pisces descendant

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Virgo ascendant

Pisces descendant

Same, once again ... 😆

Virgo Ascendant/Pisces Descendant

"You come off as an ethereal, mysterious person who lives on some other planet or version of reality than the rest of people. But, in getting to know you, a more down-to-earth and sensible picture of you emerges. After all, in order for you to peacefully escape into this other realm, you have to get things together in the real world first. You reveal yourself to be shrewder and more intellectual than you come off. With romantic partners and good friends, you insist on a certain order or practicality in the relationship, tending to all the details and finishing all the work that needs to be done."

"One of the biggest personality traits of this position is body-awareness. People with Virgo ascendants are sensitive to any discomfort or other signals their body gives them. Many are especially interested and concerned with physical health, and some are attracted to mind-body awareness exercises such as yoga. Virgo rising people are often rather particular about food. Although some have good appetites, there can be an unmistakable pickiness about what they put in and on their bodies."

"Those born with Virgo rising often have delicate constitutions, and care must be taken of the physical body. Your health, digestion and everyday processes are easily affected by negative thoughts and emotions."

this is so true coz i am so observant with my body

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I agree with this too

Posted by Thrasybulus

Can't really agree with this.

It's more that people think I'm super nice and an easy pushover but once that happens the famous iron fist in velvet gloves of Libra risings shows and I'm perceived as super cruel and aggressive.

Classic doomed if you do, doomed if you don't scenario.

I think you show more your desc that you asc to be honest

Well most of the time I‘m not reeeally touchy, moochy, cheesy... more laid back and not 24/7 all over my husband. He zold me that he wishes more touches and kisses, I keep that in mind and work on it

Aqua DC

The ASC is what lies out in the open (the outer-shell). The Persona. The Conscious Ego (you're conscious of your body - of your looks - of your social mask / what you put out there). And this is what most people see. This is your avatar.

The DSC is what one could call - the shadow self. An unconscious side of our personality. It's what we project. It's easier to talk about it in a detached situation (as it's the case with this topic) - but it's hard to be actively aware of it. This is the stuff that most people don't like to admit about themselves. To be fair... it can take a lot of time and self-awareness to acknowledge the opposite traits of your personality - especially the negative parts (one may need some moments of deep introspection - to be able to achieve that / depression helps... that's probably one of its main purposes). And that's not everyone's cup of tea.

Tough, even the ones that are more mature about this (more conscious, more responsible), still struggle from this point of view. They know about those traits, they acknowledge them - even verbally (yes, you're right - i can be like that at times). And yet, it can still catch them off-guard (creeps on them when least expected).

Most people (especially extroverts) - have a tendency to look for the DSC (shadow-self) in others. For someone that embodies those traits (starting whit the positive ofc - it's what they see at first). And this is basically - the purpose of relationships. It's why the DSC is linked to relationships. Not just romantic, but any type of relationship - where you get a sense of familiarity from someone (as if you already know them to some extend - tough, that's basically still you... an unconscious side that is).

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Virgo ascendant

Pisces descendant

Same, once again ... 😆

Virgo Ascendant/Pisces Descendant

"You come off as an ethereal, mysterious person who lives on some other planet or version of reality than the rest of people. But, in getting to know you, a more down-to-earth and sensible picture of you emerges. After all, in order for you to peacefully escape into this other realm, you have to get things together in the real world first. You reveal yourself to be shrewder and more intellectual than you come off. With romantic partners and good friends, you insist on a certain order or practicality in the relationship, tending to all the details and finishing all the work that needs to be done."

"One of the biggest personality traits of this position is body-awareness. People with Virgo ascendants are sensitive to any discomfort or other signals their body gives them. Many are especially interested and concerned with physical health, and some are attracted to mind-body awareness exercises such as yoga. Virgo rising people are often rather particular about food. Although some have good appetites, there can be an unmistakable pickiness about what they put in and on their bodies."

"Those born with Virgo rising often have delicate constitutions, and care must be taken of the physical body. Your health, digestion and everyday processes are easily affected by negative thoughts and emotions."

this is so true coz i am so observant with my body

I agree with this too

I have a history of ulcers and stomach issues that stem from spicy foods. My parents hated my being finicky and very picky all my life. I don't think I ever ate anything they ever cooked as-is. Nope, out came the fingers and then came the complaints, "Why in the hell can't this boneheaded son of yours eat something instead of picking at it?!? God damn it. He'd pick the candy out of a candy bar! QUIT WASTING FOOD AND EAT IT, YOU SONOVABITCH! Had about enough of your shit!" Drove 'em up the wall ... 😄

For the longest time, I'd never eat the cheese on pizza - I'd pick everything off but the meat, sauce, and dough. Now I can eat a supreme without issue. Wouldn't touch onions and green peppers as a kid. Love 'em now! Love spicy food, too, but I have to watch it. It brings the ulcers and acid reflux back if I'm not careful about it, and with my family history of IBS and Crohn's, it's an obsession ...

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I am not sensitive or picky in that sense, probably because of my Taurus Moon. I love good food.

I studied nutrition probably because of my asc and the love of knowing how food can change us.

But I am very in tune with my body too and I know straight away if something is not right.

Posted by neves

The ASC is what lies out in the open (the outer-shell). The Persona. The Conscious Ego (you're conscious of your body - of your looks - of your social mask / what you put out there). And this is what most people see. This is your avatar.

The DSC is what one could call - the shadow self. An unconscious side of our personality. It's what we project. It's easier to talk about it in a detached situation (as it's the case with this topic) - but it's hard to be actively aware of it. This is the stuff that most people don't like to admit about themselves. To be fair... it can take a lot of time and self-awareness to acknowledge the opposite traits of your personality - especially the negative parts (one may need some moments of deep introspection - to be able to achieve that / depression helps... that's probably one of its main purposes). And that's not everyone's cup of tea.

Tough, even the ones that are more mature about this (more conscious, more responsible), still struggle from this point of view. They know about those traits, they acknowledge them - even verbally (yes, you're right - i can be like that at times). And yet, it can still catch them off-guard (creeps on them when least expected).

Most people (especially extroverts) - have a tendency to look for the DSC (shadow-self) in others. For someone that embodies those traits (starting whit the positive ofc - it's what they see at first). And this is basically - the purpose of relationships. It's why the DSC is linked to relationships. Not just romantic, but any type of relationship - where you get a sense of familiarity from someone (as if you already know them to some extend - tough, that's basically still you... an unconscious side that is).

Yeah! I've Always tried to deny my " bad side " ( Sagg DSC ) and everytime I was with my best friend (Sagg stellium), I would try to give some advices to him and He Always gave me that look like " WTF are you talking? You are just like me, you just can't see " lol

But since I've checked my DSC persona chart, I've got a clear Picture of my shadow side and I really like it now...I'm trying to make it work but I think this is a huge step in my personal development.

It's a really valuable tool to see where you stand in relationships...What you partner do expect from you

Libra Asc.... this makes soooooo much sense to me.

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Posted by neves

The ASC is what lies out in the open (the outer-shell). The Persona. The Conscious Ego (you're conscious of your body - of your looks - of your social mask / what you put out there). And this is what most people see. This is your avatar.

The DSC is what one could call - the shadow self. An unconscious side of our personality. It's what we project. It's easier to talk about it in a detached situation (as it's the case with this topic) - but it's hard to be actively aware of it. This is the stuff that most people don't like to admit about themselves. To be fair... it can take a lot of time and self-awareness to acknowledge the opposite traits of your personality - especially the negative parts (one may need some moments of deep introspection - to be able to achieve that / depression helps... that's probably one of its main purposes). And that's not everyone's cup of tea.

Tough, even the ones that are more mature about this (more conscious, more responsible), still struggle from this point of view. They know about those traits, they acknowledge them - even verbally (yes, you're right - i can be like that at times). And yet, it can still catch them off-guard (creeps on them when least expected).

Most people (especially extroverts) - have a tendency to look for the DSC (shadow-self) in others. For someone that embodies those traits (starting whit the positive ofc - it's what they see at first). And this is basically - the purpose of relationships. It's why the DSC is linked to relationships. Not just romantic, but any type of relationship - where you get a sense of familiarity from someone (as if you already know them to some extend - tough, that's basically still you... an unconscious side that is).

Yeah! I've Always tried to deny my " bad side " ( Sagg DSC ) and everytime I was with my best friend (Sagg stellium), I would try to give some advices to him and He Always gave me that look like " WTF are you talking? You are just like me, you just can't see " lol

But since I've checked my DSC persona chart, I've got a clear Picture of my shadow side and I really like it now...I'm trying to make it work but I think this is a huge step in my personal development.

It's a really valuable tool to see where you stand in relationships...What you partner do expect from you

My ex use to give me advices on everything without me even asking for it. It really pissed me off. It made me feel stupid and weak. So in the end I had an anger outburst... I broke up with her. I tried telling her to not give me advices unless I ask for it but she never listened to me. The break up was ugly. I said so many mean things to her and told her that she is stupid and all. She was all quiet and begging me to stop and I could not hold myself but let it all out. Anyways we are separated now and I feel free and independent again.

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That sounds like Aquarius or Sagg for me lol

You're a bad...My best friend just give me the face and I stop but with the time I've learnt that most of the advices I was giving to him, were the ones I should follow and I was just mirroring that stuff on my best friend (Descendant)

I have a Capricorn rising but my 1st house is full. I have Mars from 12th conjuct the Ascendant. Also Venus in 1st conjuct the Ascendant. Then I also have Neptune, and intercepted Jupiter and Uranus in my 1st house. Too many energies blend in my personality and its true I have always worried and had difficulty with knowing who I am and how others perceive me.

My 7th house cusp is Cancer.

When I observed my behavior a little I found out I am a lot Cancer like in my close relationships.