DAMEN VI
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Posted by DAMEN VI
lol@ "if didn't run, he wouldn't have gotten shot"
and how do you know this?
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It's just plain ole common sense. If you're not guilty, you don't run. When a suspect runs, it triggers a knee jerk trained response (as well as the hormone adrenaline) in a police officer.
He may have gone to jail if he hadn't run, but he wouldn't have gotten shot.
Posted by DAMEN VI
lol@ "if didn't run, he wouldn't have gotten shot"
and how do you know this?
as for all that crap seraph is spewing, the nail in the coffin for the cop is that he lied and tried to plant evidence on the victim:
"Immediately after killing the 50-year-old Scott, Officer Slager says over his radio, "Shots fired and the subject is down. He took my Taser." The video, which was recorded by a bystander, contradicts this claim, and shows Slager handcuffing Scott and then running back to where he dropped the stun gun. Officer Slager then carries it back over to Scott and drops it near his body."
The video clearly shows the suspect throwing something off to the right.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VI
lol@ "if didn't run, he wouldn't have gotten shot"
and how do you know this?
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It's just plain ole common sense. If you're not guilty, you don't run. When a suspect runs, it triggers a knee jerk trained response (as well as the hormone adrenaline) in a police officer.
He may have gone to jail if he hadn't run, but he wouldn't have gotten shot.
You are condoning the actions of the officer by saying that.
Running/resisting arrest is not a felony charge.
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No, I'm not condoning what the cop did.
I'm just saying the suspect has to take some responsibility for his actions.
Posted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VI
lol@ "if didn't run, he wouldn't have gotten shot"
and how do you know this?
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It's just plain ole common sense. If you're not guilty, you don't run. When a suspect runs, it triggers a knee jerk trained response (as well as the hormone adrenaline) in a police officer.
He may have gone to jail if he hadn't run, but he wouldn't have gotten shot.click to expand
well that cop needs to be in jail then if a knee jerk reaction to an unarmed man running away from him is to shoot him 8 times in the back...that's simply not the type of reaction a supposedly well trained cop should have,period.
but in this case, it wasn't a knee jerk reaction..he assessed the situation,knew what he wanted to do,and did it. Which therefore makes him a psychotic,demonic, racist pig.
How many of us have gotten pulled over by a traffice violation? I can bet almost all of us have at some point.
When you do, you don't bust out of the car at a full run.
That sets off alarms.
When you do, you don't bust out of the car at a full run.
That sets off alarms.
Posted by GGPosted by GetMistedPosted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VI
lol@ "if didn't run, he wouldn't have gotten shot"
and how do you know this?
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It's just plain ole common sense. If you're not guilty, you don't run. When a suspect runs, it triggers a knee jerk trained response (as well as the hormone adrenaline) in a police officer.
He may have gone to jail if he hadn't run, but he wouldn't have gotten shot.
You are condoning the actions of the officer by saying that.
Running/resisting arrest is not a felony charge.
+1
Her comments are making me angry, lol.
The man is jugging AWAY from the officer not AT him.
Shooting him was not an option. The officer was obviously in better shape than the old man, he could have easily tackled him. They're also trained to do that.
Her knee jerk comment makes her sound and look stupid. Watch the vid again, truecap!click to expand
I've watched it about 5 times. And yes, he should have tackled him. Could have easily taken him. I agree.
Posted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VI
lol@ "if didn't run, he wouldn't have gotten shot"
and how do you know this?
>
It's just plain ole common sense. If you're not guilty, you don't run. When a suspect runs, it triggers a knee jerk trained response (as well as the hormone adrenaline) in a police officer.
He may have gone to jail if he hadn't run, but he wouldn't have gotten shot.
well that cop needs to be in jail then if a knee jerk reaction to an unarmed man running away from him is to shoot him 8 times in the back...that's simply not the type of reaction a supposedly well trained cop should have,period.
but in this case, it wasn't a knee jerk reaction..he assessed the situation,knew what he wanted to do,and did it. Which therefore makes him a psychotic,demonic, racist pig.
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Would you think he was a racist if the suspect was white?
a cops job is to know how to handle criminals..that's what they signed up for..you have to uphold the law when people break it, and there will always be criminal acts, a cops job is to know how to deal with these situations whenever they occur.This is why they get to wear a badge; they are held to a higher standard and given more power than the average civilian..which is also why it's a bigger deal whenever a pig misuses his or her power and does something unprofessionally and in this case, barbarically..
I do get the point. The cop was wrong. No where did I say he was right.
All I'm saying is if you do run from cops like that, you're more likely that a cop will react in a more violent way. Just like the cop has to take responsibility for his actions (and he will), the suspect has to take responsibility for his as well (and he paid dearly for his).
All I'm saying is if you do run from cops like that, you're more likely that a cop will react in a more violent way. Just like the cop has to take responsibility for his actions (and he will), the suspect has to take responsibility for his as well (and he paid dearly for his).
Posted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VI
lol@ "if didn't run, he wouldn't have gotten shot"
and how do you know this?
>
It's just plain ole common sense. If you're not guilty, you don't run. When a suspect runs, it triggers a knee jerk trained response (as well as the hormone adrenaline) in a police officer.
He may have gone to jail if he hadn't run, but he wouldn't have gotten shot.
well that cop needs to be in jail then if a knee jerk reaction to an unarmed man running away from him is to shoot him 8 times in the back...that's simply not the type of reaction a supposedly well trained cop should have,period.
but in this case, it wasn't a knee jerk reaction..he assessed the situation,knew what he wanted to do,and did it. Which therefore makes him a psychotic,demonic, racist pig.
Would you think he was a racist if the suspect was white?
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if the suspect was white he wouldn't have gotten shot.
find me case where an unarmed, 50 year old white man, who also wasn't running to retrieve a weapon, but was still shot multiple times by a cop..i'll wait
Since when is it appropriate to run from the cops?
Posted by truecap
I want to know what happened BEFORE the video. What was said? What was the interaction? I want ALL the details.
From what you saw in the video, that is what makes you scratch your head?
What difference does it make what he's done BEFORE he got shot in the back.. eight fucking times... while trying to run away, posing no threat to the officer!
But hey who knows, maybe he wispered in his ear, "Imma scoot off now and hijack a plane and fly in into a building, byee! "
Posted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VI
lol@ "if didn't run, he wouldn't have gotten shot"
and how do you know this?
>
It's just plain ole common sense. If you're not guilty, you don't run. When a suspect runs, it triggers a knee jerk trained response (as well as the hormone adrenaline) in a police officer.
He may have gone to jail if he hadn't run, but he wouldn't have gotten shot.
well that cop needs to be in jail then if a knee jerk reaction to an unarmed man running away from him is to shoot him 8 times in the back...that's simply not the type of reaction a supposedly well trained cop should have,period.
but in this case, it wasn't a knee jerk reaction..he assessed the situation,knew what he wanted to do,and did it. Which therefore makes him a psychotic,demonic, racist pig.
Would you think he was a racist if the suspect was white?
if the suspect was white he wouldn't have gotten shot.
find me case where an unarmed, 50 year old white man, who also wasn't running to retrieve a weapon, but was still shot multiple times by a cop..i'll waitclick to expand
Baloney!! Did you not watch the newsstory video I posted? That guy was white and got gunned down by a black cop. Race has nothing to do with it.
Posted by enfant_terriblePosted by truecap
I want to know what happened BEFORE the video. What was said? What was the interaction? I want ALL the details.
From what you saw in the video, that is what makes you scratch your head?
What difference does it make what he's done BEFORE he got shot in the back.. eight fucking times... while trying to run away, posing no threat to the officer!
But hey who knows, maybe he wispered in his ear, "Imma scoot off now and hijack a plane and fly in into a building, byee! "click to expand
I wanted to know what prompted the cop to do it. The method behind the madness, so to speak.
*man yells angrily at cop*
*cop pulls out gun and kills him*
true cap says "well, why would he yell at a cop? he needs to take responsibility for his actions too!"
smmfh
*cop pulls out gun and kills him*
true cap says "well, why would he yell at a cop? he needs to take responsibility for his actions too!"
smmfh
Posted by truecapPosted by GetMistedPosted by truecapPosted by GetMistedPosted by truecap
I want to know what happened BEFORE the video. What was said? What was the interaction? I want ALL the details.
He had Family Court warrents out for his arrest. Not a felony. Misdemeanor charges.
I'm under the assumption that he bolted from the car as soon as the office stopped him (the passenger stayed in the vehicle).
Of course I'm speculating, but the guy couldn't run very fast as you saw. 50 years old and out of shape. To me, and this is speculation.. Is that the officer caught up to him and shot his taser.
In the video, it looks as he is trying to rip the barbs away and swat the taser away, and then continue running.
My main point.. Misdemeanor crimes do not warrent being gunned down while you're running away. Nor is resisting arrest.
If he hadn't have run, he wouldn't have gotten shot. That's why I don't understand why they try to run.
The officer had a choice to use deadly force or not. He made it 10 yds away before the officer fired a shot.
If he was running towards the officer, I could understand the need for force.. But this man was not a threat.
Running away from an office makes you guilty of something and triggers that knee jerk reflex in an officer. That's all I'm saying.click to expand
Then they should be fucking taught how to handle a firearm before they're sent out on the streets!
Posted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VI
lol@ "if didn't run, he wouldn't have gotten shot"
and how do you know this?
>
It's just plain ole common sense. If you're not guilty, you don't run. When a suspect runs, it triggers a knee jerk trained response (as well as the hormone adrenaline) in a police officer.
He may have gone to jail if he hadn't run, but he wouldn't have gotten shot.
well that cop needs to be in jail then if a knee jerk reaction to an unarmed man running away from him is to shoot him 8 times in the back...that's simply not the type of reaction a supposedly well trained cop should have,period.
but in this case, it wasn't a knee jerk reaction..he assessed the situation,knew what he wanted to do,and did it. Which therefore makes him a psychotic,demonic, racist pig.
Would you think he was a racist if the suspect was white?
if the suspect was white he wouldn't have gotten shot.
find me case where an unarmed, 50 year old white man, who also wasn't running to retrieve a weapon, but was still shot multiple times by a cop..i'll wait
Baloney!! Did you not watch the newsstory video I posted? That guy was white and got gunned down by a black cop. Race has nothing to do with it.click to expand
yea i saw the video:
there was a call about a suspect with a weapon at the gas station,cops arrived, told the 3 suspects to get on the ground, two did, the other didn't, they say he reached to pull up his pants, and was subsequently shot..
^^that case doesn't compare to this one..at all.
Posted by DAMEN VI
*man yells angrily at cop*
*cop pulls out gun and kills him*
true cap says "well, why would he yell at a cop? he needs to take responsibility for his actions too!"
smmfh
You shouldn't yell at a cop. I was raised to respect police officers.
Here's a white man who got shot by a black cop for speaking to him the wrong way:
James Whitehead was a white veteran who had recently come back from war. Orange, TX Police Officer Robert Arnold (who has a history of violence) shot and killed unarmed James Whitehead. Arnold is black. Arnold was not in his uniform and did not have a badge. Whitehead got into a verbal altercation about a bad part for his vehicle. James Whitehead did not ever get violent or attack Arnold or anyone else. Whitehead was wrong to get into a verbal altercation but at most he would have gotten a ticket and a fine. Whitehead decided to stop arguing and just leave and that is when Arnold shot the unarmed man dead right on the spot. Arnold was fired for the incident and for his other violent past incidents. Even Arnold's fellow police officers wanted Arnold to be charged with murder. Arnold was never charged and got away with murder. Arnold has enlisted race baiter Lawyer Cade Bernsen (the white Al Sharpton) to sue the city claiming he was fired because he was black and not because he shot an unarmed white man.
Posted by seraphPosted by DAMEN VI
a cops job is to know how to handle criminals..that's what they signed up for..you have to uphold the law when people break it, and there will always be criminal acts, a cops job is to know how to deal with these situations whenever they occur.This is why they get to wear a badge; they are held to a higher standard and given more power than the average civilian..which is also why it's a bigger deal whenever a pig misuses his or her power and does something unprofessionally and in this case, barbarically..
We don't know whether he misused his power. We didn't see half of what went on.
There are also legal considerations, already mentioned.
Making emotionally-charged pronouncements and shouting slogans doesn't answer any questions. And it certainly doesn't even begin to address whether laws allowing for the use of deadly force in order stop a fleeing individual apply here. There's also that to consider. There's also the question whether this even qualifies as "murder" (under the law.)
The relevant information to ponder over has already been posted. If nothing else, it points out a variety of things to consider before passing judgment on the situation.
If you'd like to ignore it and continue to scream "demonic" (or other emotional adjectives), you can go ahead, but that sort of extremism probably won't ever be considered during a trial.
One of the main questions will be whether what he did was reasonable in light of the power given to a police officer in consideration of events leading up to a flight, and in consideration of what the law allows in terms of the officer's personal judgment during a flight.click to expand
this 1st sentence alone destroys any other point you're trying to make.
what happened before the incident doesn't matter because from what we do see, it's obvious the cop life was not in danger (as he claimed) and he also tampered with evidence by moving the taser away from where it originally was over to the dead & handcuffed victim..
I enjoy the debates. 🙂
Posted by seraphPosted by GG
My apologies seraph and tc.
Appreciated, and no worries. 🙂click to expand
Ditto. 🙂
All in all, it's just sad to see what the world is coming to. 😢
Posted by truecap
I want to know what happened BEFORE the video. What was said? What was the interaction? I want ALL the details.
Maybe he heard devil voices in his head. Chizof...
BTW was the officer fat or fit?
Maybe he did shot cause he could not run?
In the movies they run after the suspects. But they look good, young and fit.
Posted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VI
*man yells angrily at cop*
*cop pulls out gun and kills him*
true cap says "well, why would he yell at a cop? he needs to take responsibility for his actions too!"
smmfh
You shouldn't yell at a cop. I was raised to respect police officers.
Here's a white man who got shot by a black cop for speaking to him the wrong way:
James Whitehead was a white veteran who had recently come back from war. Orange, TX Police Officer Robert Arnold (who has a history of violence) shot and killed unarmed James Whitehead. Arnold is black. Arnold was not in his uniform and did not have a badge. Whitehead got into a verbal altercation about a bad part for his vehicle. James Whitehead did not ever get violent or attack Arnold or anyone else. Whitehead was wrong to get into a verbal altercation but at most he would have gotten a ticket and a fine. Whitehead decided to stop arguing and just leave and that is when Arnold shot the unarmed man dead right on the spot. Arnold was fired for the incident and for his other violent past incidents. Even Arnold's fellow police officers wanted Arnold to be charged with murder. Arnold was never charged and got away with murder. Arnold has enlisted race baiter Lawyer Cade Bernsen (the white Al Sharpton) to sue the city claiming he was fired because he was black and not because he shot an unarmed white man.
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nice try but this is the truth behind that case:
http://www.12newsnow.com/story/23847883/city-of-orange-pays-former-police-officer-600000-to-settle-lawsuit<BR>
A Texas Ranger's investigation and an Orange County grand jury cleared Arnold, finding that he acted in self-defense, but the city still suspended him.
Posted by CluelessCancerPosted by seraphPosted by truecap
All in all, it's just sad to see what the world is coming to. 😢
Was it much better in the past (at least in the US), though?
The high water mark days of the Civil Rights movement saw plenty of use of force by cops, with more than a few instances of it being way beyond excessive.
So it makes it okay that Blacks are still targeted like dogs? Because it was worse back when.
man fuk you dude. Kill yoself! immediately.click to expand
For such statements Denver claims dxper cannot interact based on logic.
Logically Seraph was just reacting to "it's just sad to see what the world is coming to.". Speak "times are getting worse". He was not relatizing anything.
Though you may have a point that any distraction (for the love of polemic) from the main topic is weakening it. There I agree with you.
But he is not on the wrong side. And you were harsh to him. (I guess he can survive it better than me. I am too serious which is funny again)
"If for any reason you feel threatened for your life, remind yourself you're dealing with someone whose job is to protect and serve."
True.
"Police officers are empathetic, moral beings and they have no incentive to take your life."
Not true for all cops.
So far, this particular cop seems like a damn murderer that should spend the rest of his life in jail. Did any of you saw the cop handcuff the man's DEAD body and drop the taser right next to it?
Too bad he still got his ass busted. Fuck that piece of shit.
True.
"Police officers are empathetic, moral beings and they have no incentive to take your life."
Not true for all cops.
So far, this particular cop seems like a damn murderer that should spend the rest of his life in jail. Did any of you saw the cop handcuff the man's DEAD body and drop the taser right next to it?
Too bad he still got his ass busted. Fuck that piece of shit.
Posted by truecap
All in all, it's just sad to see what the world is coming to. 😢
What do you mean it's sad to see what the world is coming to? It's never changed.
You mean it's sad to actually see the world.
There's no factual evidence in the OP that verifies:
1. the cop is psychotic
2. the man running was unarmed
3. what took place before the video started
4. that the man running was shot 8 times
I didn't read past the OP, so perhaps other rational people already addressed this with the igits.
This is why im a firm believer in an eye for an eye, because when pigs realize that they too can suffer the same fate as the people they've victimized, then and only then will we have some real change in this country..
The riots in ferguson, along with true heroes like Jeffrey Williams (shot a ferguson cop in the face) and of course the great Ismaaiyl Brinsley ( killed the two NYPD cops) had just as much to do with the psycho pig from carolina getting charged with murder as the video itself..I salute these two brave men in particular for having the heart to fight back against injustice from the justice system through violent measures
The riots in ferguson, along with true heroes like Jeffrey Williams (shot a ferguson cop in the face) and of course the great Ismaaiyl Brinsley ( killed the two NYPD cops) had just as much to do with the psycho pig from carolina getting charged with murder as the video itself..I salute these two brave men in particular for having the heart to fight back against injustice from the justice system through violent measures
Posted by DAMEN VI
This is why im a firm believer in an eye for an eye, because when pigs realize that they too can suffer the same fate as the people they've victimized, then and only then will we have some real change in this country..
The riots in ferguson, along with true heroes like Jeffrey Williams (shot a ferguson cop in the face) and of course the great Ismaaiyl Brinsley ( killed the two NYPD cops) had just as much to do with the psycho pig from carolina getting charged with murder as the video itself..I salute these two brave men in particular for having the heart to fight back against injustice from the justice system through violent measures
Shooting someone in the face makes him a hero??
Damen, you're just prejudiced against cops in general.
Most of them are good, honest people. Yes, there are some bad apples, but you just hate them all because of their job.
Sad, really.
Most of them are good, honest people. Yes, there are some bad apples, but you just hate them all because of their job.
Sad, really.
Idolizing cop killers....
smdh...
smdh...
Posted by truecap
Damen, you're just prejudiced against cops in general.
Most of them are good, honest people. Yes, there are some bad apples, but you just hate them all because of their job.
Sad, really.
I just want what anybody wants, which is justice.
If a cop doesnt follow proper procedures and it leads to the death of another human being,then he should be charged.thats all I ask for, so whenever that doesn't happen, then thats when I talk the way I talk and celebrate whenever the law is took into our own hands.
plus in my teenage years I too was a victim of undue police brutality, so I have my reasons for hating pigs
What happened? Do you mind sharing? It's okay if you don't want to.
Posted by truecap
What happened? Do you mind sharing? It's okay if you don't want to.
it was more than one incident and no i'd rather not speak on it, especially to people who have absoulutely no understanding of it or have ever experienced it.
Posted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecap
What happened? Do you mind sharing? It's okay if you don't want to.
it was more than one incident and no i'd rather not speak on it, especially to people who have absoulutely no understanding of it or have ever experienced it.click to expand
I understand. You have history and your history bases how your viewpoint is shaped.
I just want to say this, though. Maybe in your neighborhood, cops are pigs, but remember that they're not all like that. There are a lot of them that are good, decent people.
It's like me saying all Geminis are bad because I've had really bad experiences with a few, but I know the majority aren't the same as the ones I know. Or someone hating black men because she got gang raped by a few - obviously not all black men like that.
I know the comparison isn't the same, but I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying. Try not to be a hater. You'll be healthier and happier.
*Hugs*
Posted by SugarfootPosted by DAMEN VI
This is why im a firm believer in an eye for an eye, because when pigs realize that they too can suffer the same fate as the people they've victimized, then and only then will we have some real change in this country..
The riots in ferguson, along with true heroes like Jeffrey Williams (shot a ferguson cop in the face) and of course the great Ismaaiyl Brinsley ( killed the two NYPD cops) had just as much to do with the psycho pig from carolina getting charged with murder as the video itself..I salute these two brave men in particular for having the heart to fight back against injustice from the justice system through violent measures
Great. Now the racist and biased people in this thread can sit back on their pedestals and shift the focus onto why you love cop killers. Because that's what really matters. That's the most important thing to take away in this thread. Awesome.
Lol@ people taking offense at the word psychotic being used to describe a trigger-happy cop. Racists are really grasping at straws to make a point here. smh.
-Does anyone know if he's really psychotic?
-He shouldn't have ran!
-We don't know if the man was unarmed. (yea, you would know that if you research first then post)
-The cops are allowed to kill anyone who touches them. MAYBE the guy touched him before he shot him 5 times as he was running away in the opposite direction. MAYBE there was a struggle. He very clearly was a danger to the cop.
Come on.
They'll say ANYTHING to take the focus off the fact that this police officer was dead wrong for what he did. Why? Why align yourself with a cold-blooded, lying, scheming, murderer who was dumped by his attorney and pretty much denounced by his own superior.
WHYYYYYYYEEEEE—
Nevermind. I already know.click to expand
I agreed that the police officer was wrong. I just wanted to know why he reacted the way he did. Doesn't mean I support him. I also wanted more facts before I made an opinion. I'm not one to jump on the bandwagon of popular opinion (blame the aqua mars for that). I like to have examined all the facts first. I have a strong need to look at things from all angles. Plus, sometimes there are mitigating circumstances, sometimes not. I know I got called cold, but
I do have sympathy for the family. Sometimes one has to detach to look at things objectively instead of emotionally.
Posted by GetMisted
I need to find the link on my phone, but..
Dispatch audio has been released. He attempted to cover up the entire thing, from lying to the dispatcher.. To falsifying his police report.
You can snyc up the dispatch audio with the video and get a pretty good idea of what happened, including him saying he was doing chest compressions when he really wasn't.
The only credible witness is going to be the young gentleman that took the video.
Nobody can really come into this thread anymore to defend the cop unless they just love to cling to circumstantial evidence.
Theres more evidence against the cop in this case than in most murder trials around the country.
As if the video wasnt enough alone to show the excessive force. The gun will be shown as the Real evidence. The biopsy all the wounds being to his back side.
The person who shot the video will be the strong and now credible as all hell witness.
But the beauty of this case now is that the original evidence from the cop is now just tampered evidence that will work against him thanks to the video. The document evidence will now work against him and will be circumstantial evidence that is just as strong if not stronger than all the circumstantial evidence that has been brought up in this thread or will be brought up as a defense.
Im gonna assume some people in this thread have never been in a jury or just have strong emotional attachments to cops and want to talk out of their ass from this point forward.
Posted by SugarfootPosted by truecap
I do have sympathy for the family. Sometimes one has to detach to look at things objectively instead of emotionally.
Yea but you didn't do that. You lead with your assumptions that the cop must have had a good reason for doing what he did. He didn't. You could have gotten all of the facts first before posting anything about it. You did not do that. You were confident enough in your assumptions that you didn't feel the need to look up actual facts. That is not how you behave when you want to give a fair and objective opinion. That is not emotionally detached analysis.
That's the issue. Leading with bias is a real problem around here. That's what causes these cops to shoot and kill the people they do and take it easy on the people they slap on the wrist. They have fear of people who look a certain way and it leads to people being needlessly killed.
When you spend all your energy posting about how the victim was at fault because he ran, it does not seem as if you're detaching and looking at things objectively.
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+100
And that is why even with all this evidence that would be HUGE for any regular murder trial there is still th seed of doubt that the cop will be found guilty as charged because as a country the all mighty government and police force can literallyyyy get away with murder just because the victim just mustttt have done something.
But in some normal murder trial with video evidence. Intent to kill. Dispatch evidence which can now be proven as a lie. A credible witness. And tampered evidence. The accused would be found guilty without a shadow of a doubt no matter what the victim may or may have not done.
Posted by SugarfootPosted by truecap
I do have sympathy for the family. Sometimes one has to detach to look at things objectively instead of emotionally.
Yea but you didn't do that. You lead with your assumptions that the cop must have had a good reason for doing what he did. He didn't. You could have gotten all of the facts first before posting anything about it. You did not do that. You were confident enough in your assumptions that you didn't feel the need to look up actual facts. That is not how you behave when you want to give a fair and objective opinion. That is not emotionally detached analysis.
That's the issue. Leading with bias is a real problem around here. That's what causes these cops to shoot and kill the people they do and take it easy on the people they slap on the wrist. They have fear of people who look a certain way and it leads to people being needlessly killed.
When you spend all your energy posting about how the victim was at fault because he ran, it does not seem as if you're detaching and looking at things objectively.
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1. I didn't say the cop had good reasons. I was asking if there were circumstances that caused him to react the way he did. Why did he react this way? I thought it was worthy bringing that up for considerations sake. And no one knows why he reacted this way.
2. I stated the suspect could have possibly prevented such a violent situation had he not run. I questioned why did he run. Why would anyone run? I never said he got shot because he ran but that it's wiser not to run from the cops. I don't understand why he would run and wanted to get some insight into that.
3. Those are very objective questions.
4. I broght up that a 40 second video does not share an entire story.
5. Many people react based on only a portion of the information provided. They react on emotion without considering other possibilities. How many people just automatically assumed the cop was a racist? A lot. And that is wrong in itself. Maybe the cop is racist, no one knows.
6. Finally, Most of the people who posted on this thread were not looking at things objectively - everyone has their own viewpoint and perspective. I just offered one perspective of a multisided coin.
Posted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecap
What happened? Do you mind sharing? It's okay if you don't want to.
it was more than one incident and no i'd rather not speak on it, especially to people who have absoulutely no understanding of it or have ever experienced it.
I understand. You have history and your history bases how your viewpoint is shaped.
I just want to say this, though. Maybe in your neighborhood, cops are pigs, but remember that they're not all like that. There are a lot of them that are good, decent people.
It's like me saying all Geminis are bad because I've had really bad experiences with a few, but I know the majority aren't the same as the ones I know. Or someone hating black men because she got gang raped by a few - obviously not all black men like that.
I know the comparison isn't the same, but I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying. Try not to be a hater. You'll be healthier and happier.
*Hugs*
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You should try telling your own race that..Hate is in your blood..its well documented throughout your history..especially southern whites
Posted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecap
What happened? Do you mind sharing? It's okay if you don't want to.
it was more than one incident and no i'd rather not speak on it, especially to people who have absoulutely no understanding of it or have ever experienced it.
I understand. You have history and your history bases how your viewpoint is shaped.
I just want to say this, though. Maybe in your neighborhood, cops are pigs, but remember that they're not all like that. There are a lot of them that are good, decent people.
It's like me saying all Geminis are bad because I've had really bad experiences with a few, but I know the majority aren't the same as the ones I know. Or someone hating black men because she got gang raped by a few - obviously not all black men like that.
I know the comparison isn't the same, but I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying. Try not to be a hater. You'll be healthier and happier.
*Hugs*
You should try telling your own race that..Hate is in your blood..its well documented throughout your history..especially southern whitesclick to expand
MY personal history? Or my region's history? Just because I'm a Texan, I have personal history...
yeah...now who's assuming?
Posted by SugarfootPosted by truecap
Seraph,
Was the cop aware of the the reasons the suspect ran?
Did he know it was for warrants or did he just start running for reasons unknown to the cop?
Perhaps the cop thought he had committed some major crime? Otherwise, why run? I'm sure at that moment the cop didn't know he was running just because he had warrants.
You are correct. There are definitely a lot of factors to consider before you call this flat out premeditated murder.
Out of all the leading questions you asked, the bolded is what showed your bias to me the most clearly. It also showed your preference to (in this case) not use common sense preferring instead to believe what you wanted to believe.
Nobody knows whether that cop killed him because he's racist or what. There's no evidence or facts out there to say what his motive was one way or the other. So I don't say anything about that because I DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS from which to base an opinion.
If everyone would discuss the facts only when it comes to these cases, instead of what they're somehow so "sure" of, we'd be a lot better off.
People with this way of thinking, (as in your above post) are the reasons why dirty cops go unpunished. It's a never-ending cycle that has been continuing on for way too many decades, generations even. THAT makes me emotional and it makes me upset.
That should make everyone upset.click to expand
And you're assuming, too.
The point is, NONE of us have all the evidence. In fact, NONE of us should be commenting at all on this as we do not know everything we need to know to make an opinion.
Hugs to you all.
- And in debate - It's more interesting to argue against how you really feel. Just something to keep in mind before judgements are made against any user.
Hugs to you all.
- And in debate - It's more interesting to argue against how you really feel. Just something to keep in mind before judgements are made against any user.
Posted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecapPosted by DAMEN VIPosted by truecap
What happened? Do you mind sharing? It's okay if you don't want to.
it was more than one incident and no i'd rather not speak on it, especially to people who have absoulutely no understanding of it or have ever experienced it.
I understand. You have history and your history bases how your viewpoint is shaped.
I just want to say this, though. Maybe in your neighborhood, cops are pigs, but remember that they're not all like that. There are a lot of them that are good, decent people.
It's like me saying all Geminis are bad because I've had really bad experiences with a few, but I know the majority aren't the same as the ones I know. Or someone hating black men because she got gang raped by a few - obviously not all black men like that.
I know the comparison isn't the same, but I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying. Try not to be a hater. You'll be healthier and happier.
*Hugs*
You should try telling your own race that..Hate is in your blood..its well documented throughout your history..especially southern whitesclick to expand
And for the record, I was trying to understand your point of view and supportive of where you are coming from. I only offered some words of encouragement and offering a new perspective.
You turned it around and called me a racist because of where I live.
I see how you really are.
Posted by DonJohnsonPosted by AirMan
canada in america too. tho its not a state but it's a country located north of north america.
I can live in Canada now. doesn't mean i didn't live in the States.
it's all the same though... from Canada, to Europe to Asia to the USA.... the most ghetto group is consistent throughout the world.
this isn't just a USA phenom.click to expand
You are so full of emotional propaganda.
Hey, but emotional propaganda is how the first "ghetto" and the word "ghetto" was created.
EXAMPLE #1:
World news
"Almost 2m Living in France's Angry Ghettos"
The intelligence body based its definition on a range of criteria encompassing high immigration levels, high levels of non-French speakers at school, the presence of anti-semitic and anti-western graffiti, growing numbers of inhabitants wearing religious or oriental dress, and a growth in Muslim religious institutions. They reported that more than 300 areas were already ghettoised.??
Example #2:
Book: "Ghetto at the Center of the World: Chungking Mansions, Hong Kong"
There is nowhere else in the world quite like Chungking Mansions, a dilapidated seventeen-story commercial and residential structure in the heart of Hong Kong??s tourist district. A remarkably motley group of people call the building home; Pakistani phone stall operators, Chinese guesthouse workers, Nepalese heroin addicts, Indonesian sex workers, and traders and asylum seekers from all over Asia and Africa live and work there—even backpacking tourists rent rooms. In short, it is possibly the most globalized spot on the planet.
EXAMPLE #3
Time Magazine
For the Rohingya, social exclusion and ghettoization are the final indignities. In the Thae Chaung camp, children walk around with no clothing beside open sewers, their bellies bloated in a telltale sign of malnourishment. Aid workers, journalists and diplomats have been visiting the camps for more than a year and a half but little has changed, save for their sagging tarpaulin shelters, which have become even more wretched and frayed.
http://time.com/3982/rohingya-ghettos-of-burma/
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