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Posted by yupvirgooyes but Dean McDermott is staying and he's feeling bad about everything and has apologized..
So cringey.
Posted by yupvirgooPosted by lisabethur8She seems like a pushy woman.Posted by yupvirgooyes but Dean McDermott is staying and he's feeling bad about everything and has apologized..
So cringey.
but if you look deeply...
who is going to KEEP him IN LINE—
Tori is BRAVE!!!
ok, sure she has debt problems over half a million and cries about trying to keep up to get luxury that she's used to living in.
she will never live in a tiny homes house. lol
I think most Taurus women kinda are.. whether they admit it or not lol.
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Posted by Lunabeei'm glad things are working out for you.
I personally went to a 6 day treatment facility and worked the steps. It wasn't going to happen until I had reached rock bottom. I had to make the choice.
There is a saying about how God will bring you to your knees before you see your blessings. I was humbled and I wanted to change. So I did.
I'll be following this. It's an everyday struggle for me.
I take it one day at a time.
When I want to drink I'll tell myself, "first go run, or do 50 sit-ups, or finish laundry... Etc. If I can get my mind out of that spot I'm okay.
Posted by Vageenkayes I agree with you.
I had addiction issues. But I've always been an obsessive/prone to addiction type of person. I didn't stop using pacifiers until I was 5. How embarrassing. ?
I don't think there's anything a person can do about someone else's addiction except the actual addicted person. You have to want it for yourself. When others want you to quit or do some kind of intervention, you're okay for like a few days but because you didn't truly want it you fall right back into it
The addicted person has to be sick and tired of being sick and tired and a bitch to the addiction. And then they can get on the path to recovery x

Posted by lisabethur8there is none, as you said, it didn't work for poor Amy ...
obviously rehab is NOT going to work....
so many drug addicts die, and some get old looking like wasted old dried up prunes...
Amy Sings about Rehab all the time but it didn't work for her...
what would be one of the best methods of keeping your man or woman OUT of addiction?
Posted by pisces4scorpio
Only the person involved in the addiction can make the change.
That said - Addictions are symptoms of people avoiding the processing of pain.
Encourage the person you know to talk to a professional and start the journey of learning healthy ways of processing pain.
Anger, addictions etc. are just people trying to run away from something that feels too big to face.
Some people dont know that its okay not to be able to face something alone and that asking for help in doing so isnt a weakness, but how the rest of us all get by without substance or emotional abuse.
They should teach these tools of healthy life practices in school. If you learn your tool box: Meditation, turning to people you trust who arent toxic, building a team of support in your life, how to ask for help. How to use exercise to relive anxiety. talk therapy - then when life over whelmed you those healthy coping mechanisms would just kick in instinctually.
I also think schools should teach us how to take out a loan, buy a house, pay taxes, find good healthcare.
But what do i know.
Posted by tctathere's got to be something!Posted by lisabethur8there is none, as you said, it didn't work for poor Amy ...
obviously rehab is NOT going to work....
so many drug addicts die, and some get old looking like wasted old dried up prunes...
Amy Sings about Rehab all the time but it didn't work for her...
what would be one of the best methods of keeping your man or woman OUT of addiction?click to expand

Posted by lisabethur8the success stories I know of are the ones that happen from the person themselves changing - no one can change another - it has to come from within ...Posted by tctathere's got to be something!Posted by lisabethur8there is none, as you said, it didn't work for poor Amy ...
obviously rehab is NOT going to work....
so many drug addicts die, and some get old looking like wasted old dried up prunes...
Amy Sings about Rehab all the time but it didn't work for her...
what would be one of the best methods of keeping your man or woman OUT of addiction?
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Posted by pisces4scorpio
Only the person involved in the addiction can make the change.
That said - Addictions are symptoms of people avoiding the processing of pain.
Encourage the person you know to talk to a professional and start the journey of learning healthy ways of processing pain.
Anger, addictions etc. are just people trying to run away from something that feels too big to face.
Some people dont know that its okay not to be able to face something alone and that asking for help in doing so isnt a weakness, but how the rest of us all get by without substance or emotional abuse.
They should teach these tools of healthy life practices in school. If you learn your tool box: Meditation, turning to people you trust who arent toxic, building a team of support in your life, how to ask for help. How to use exercise to relive anxiety. talk therapy - then when life over whelmed you those healthy coping mechanisms would just kick in instinctually.
I also think schools should teach us how to take out a loan, buy a house, pay taxes, find good healthcare.
But what do i know.
Posted by pisces4scorpioPosted by lisabethur8Think about if you added emotional coping tools into childrens lives BEFORE puberty.Posted by pisces4scorpio
Only the person involved in the addiction can make the change.
That said - Addictions are symptoms of people avoiding the processing of pain.
Encourage the person you know to talk to a professional and start the journey of learning healthy ways of processing pain.
Anger, addictions etc. are just people trying to run away from something that feels too big to face.
Some people dont know that its okay not to be able to face something alone and that asking for help in doing so isnt a weakness, but how the rest of us all get by without substance or emotional abuse.
They should teach these tools of healthy life practices in school. If you learn your tool box: Meditation, turning to people you trust who arent toxic, building a team of support in your life, how to ask for help. How to use exercise to relive anxiety. talk therapy - then when life over whelmed you those healthy coping mechanisms would just kick in instinctually.
I also think schools should teach us how to take out a loan, buy a house, pay taxes, find good healthcare.
But what do i know.
yes!! my god, yes I AGREE with you that schools should teach children, mainly junior, high school, before going out into the world, into college, even.
to be wary of taking out loans and buying homes, your first car, how to manage MONEY.
banks don't do this, they don't care. they just want you to keep paying them interest.
Then think about a generation of young adults going out into the world knowing how to cope with their emotions - there probably would be a lot less debt - because a lot more impulse buying or trying to fill emotional voids with materialism.click to expand
Posted by VageenkaPosted by lisabethur8Posted by Vageenkayes I agree with you.
I had addiction issues. But I've always been an obsessive/prone to addiction type of person. I didn't stop using pacifiers until I was 5. How embarrassing. ?
I don't think there's anything a person can do about someone else's addiction except the actual addicted person. You have to want it for yourself. When others want you to quit or do some kind of intervention, you're okay for like a few days but because you didn't truly want it you fall right back into it
The addicted person has to be sick and tired of being sick and tired and a bitch to the addiction. And then they can get on the path to recovery x
I think her method was desperate, but it seemed to draw him in because he knows that family IS important, so he has to quit.
I think too that the importance of what you VALUE the most, will make you stop.
it has to be something strong.
like making something worth living for too.
Agree 100%
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Posted by VageenkaPosted by lisabethur8Posted by VageenkaPosted by lisabethur8Posted by Vageenkayes I agree with you.
I had addiction issues. But I've always been an obsessive/prone to addiction type of person. I didn't stop using pacifiers until I was 5. How embarrassing. ?
I don't think there's anything a person can do about someone else's addiction except the actual addicted person. You have to want it for yourself. When others want you to quit or do some kind of intervention, you're okay for like a few days but because you didn't truly want it you fall right back into it
The addicted person has to be sick and tired of being sick and tired and a bitch to the addiction. And then they can get on the path to recovery x
I think her method was desperate, but it seemed to draw him in because he knows that family IS important, so he has to quit.
I think too that the importance of what you VALUE the most, will make you stop.
it has to be something strong.
like making something worth living for too.
Agree 100%
Also, this made me think more...
in the case of Amy Winehouse,
she is super talented and had everything..
but I read that people tried to keep her away from the LOVE of her life.
said that he was no good for her.
and I read accounts that people saw her with him and she is the happiest person alive.
someone you love keeps you going. Keeps you alive.
if they don't have that, there's nothing else. and maybe her addicitons kept on because living a life without someone you love deeply will just be worthless to her (as passionate of a person she was)
That is such a good point. Have you ever had an addiction? You raise some awesome points that I didn't even think about going through my addiction issues.
I just remember that I wanted to accomplish things and wanted a normal life more then I wanted my addiction. And by that point, I was an absolute, miserable mess! So it's like die or go after what you want. And the things I wanted mattered more to me.
And yeah, Amy had everything. Success, money, etc. But without her love I guess she really didn't have anything to WANT to live for. So the drugs took over.
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Posted by ImpulsvPosted by lisabethur8Yes but even then one would say she could be addicted to him. (Addicted to love) At root of it too totally depend on his love where does it come from. Childhood abandonment? Who knowsPosted by VageenkaPosted by lisabethur8Posted by Vageenkayes I agree with you.
I had addiction issues. But I've always been an obsessive/prone to addiction type of person. I didn't stop using pacifiers until I was 5. How embarrassing. ?
I don't think there's anything a person can do about someone else's addiction except the actual addicted person. You have to want it for yourself. When others want you to quit or do some kind of intervention, you're okay for like a few days but because you didn't truly want it you fall right back into it
The addicted person has to be sick and tired of being sick and tired and a bitch to the addiction. And then they can get on the path to recovery x
I think her method was desperate, but it seemed to draw him in because he knows that family IS important, so he has to quit.
I think too that the importance of what you VALUE the most, will make you stop.
it has to be something strong.
like making something worth living for too.
Agree 100%
Also, this made me think more...
in the case of Amy Winehouse,
she is super talented and had everything..
but I read that people tried to keep her away from the LOVE of her life.
said that he was no good for her.
and I read accounts that people saw her with him and she is the happiest person alive.
someone you love keeps you going. Keeps you alive.
if they don't have that, there's nothing else. and maybe her addicitons kept on because living a life without someone you love deeply will just be worthless to her (as passionate of a person she was)
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Posted by pisces4scorpioi'm not sure about internet to an extent. There are astrologers that blog as a profession, and are married, and trying to help people. Even famous astrology youtubers, but they do it to help others. Maybe their way is helping others, even if it's at the global arena of internetting.
I come from a family that has had a lot of alcoholism. And I've been in relationships with alcoholics.
I don't like alcohol.
But it's strange even things that are good can become addictions. I was a workaholic for many years to avoid processing pain I didn't even realize I had or knew how to address.
Anything that you do or use to avoid emotional processing can become an addiction.
Internet, parenting, work, exercise, helping others even.
Even with the truest heart motivating you - if you're avoiding your inner self you can make an addiction out of anything.
Posted by pisces4scorpioehhh I don't know about that.Posted by lisabethur8Posted by pisces4scorpioi'm not sure about internet to an extent. There are astrologers that blog as a profession, and are married, and trying to help people. Even famous astrology youtubers, but they do it to help others. Maybe their way is helping others, even if it's at the global arena of internetting.
I come from a family that has had a lot of alcoholism. And I've been in relationships with alcoholics.
I don't like alcohol.
But it's strange even things that are good can become addictions. I was a workaholic for many years to avoid processing pain I didn't even realize I had or knew how to address.
Anything that you do or use to avoid emotional processing can become an addiction.
Internet, parenting, work, exercise, helping others even.
Even with the truest heart motivating you - if you're avoiding your inner self you can make an addiction out of anything.
so i'm not sure about avoiding inner self. if that IS their inner self, they've been doing for years.
if it's effecting your life, and relationships, like alcohol and drugs and sex addictions ect then yes, it will be very very bad.
Therein lies the danger of these more invisible types of addictions. Only the person knows. You can't really guess at who is or isn't avoiding pain.
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Posted by pisces4scorpioPosted by lisabethur8Hmmmm how am I not being clear herePosted by pisces4scorpioehhh I don't know about that.Posted by lisabethur8Posted by pisces4scorpioi'm not sure about internet to an extent. There are astrologers that blog as a profession, and are married, and trying to help people. Even famous astrology youtubers, but they do it to help others. Maybe their way is helping others, even if it's at the global arena of internetting.
I come from a family that has had a lot of alcoholism. And I've been in relationships with alcoholics.
I don't like alcohol.
But it's strange even things that are good can become addictions. I was a workaholic for many years to avoid processing pain I didn't even realize I had or knew how to address.
Anything that you do or use to avoid emotional processing can become an addiction.
Internet, parenting, work, exercise, helping others even.
Even with the truest heart motivating you - if you're avoiding your inner self you can make an addiction out of anything.
so i'm not sure about avoiding inner self. if that IS their inner self, they've been doing for years.
if it's effecting your life, and relationships, like alcohol and drugs and sex addictions ect then yes, it will be very very bad.
Therein lies the danger of these more invisible types of addictions. Only the person knows. You can't really guess at who is or isn't avoiding pain.
if people are having happy relationships I don't see it as a problem.
it's when it's effecting their family life that it becomes bad,
if I were to have a drug addiction, I wouldn't be able to do my work at home or take care of people.
or if I had a gambling addiction, all the money would be gone, because I need to FEED that gambling affliction.
if you're referring to people on here online, then you are saying everyone here that comes here and other astrology forum are addicted? and therefore it's effecting their relationships? that doesn't really make too much sense to me.
That's the opposite of what I'm saying
You can't tell if someone is using seemingly innocuous things to keep themselves from self development/self care/ healing
That's my point it's not fair to say anyone is cuz you have no idea. It's between them and themselves.
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At one point I did make it public knowledge because I felt it might endanger other people
Posted by pisces4scorpiomaybe I meant to say, someone who is more obvious. Ok, I get what you mean then, about "innocuous" addictions then. something very harmless, but it's there. not blatant addiction.Posted by lisabethur8Posted by pisces4scorpioPosted by lisabethur8Hmmmm how am I not being clear herePosted by pisces4scorpioehhh I don't know about that.Posted by lisabethur8Posted by pisces4scorpioi'm not sure about internet to an extent. There are astrologers that blog as a profession, and are married, and trying to help people. Even famous astrology youtubers, but they do it to help others. Maybe their way is helping others, even if it's at the global arena of internetting.
I come from a family that has had a lot of alcoholism. And I've been in relationships with alcoholics.
I don't like alcohol.
But it's strange even things that are good can become addictions. I was a workaholic for many years to avoid processing pain I didn't even realize I had or knew how to address.
Anything that you do or use to avoid emotional processing can become an addiction.
Internet, parenting, work, exercise, helping others even.
Even with the truest heart motivating you - if you're avoiding your inner self you can make an addiction out of anything.
so i'm not sure about avoiding inner self. if that IS their inner self, they've been doing for years.
if it's effecting your life, and relationships, like alcohol and drugs and sex addictions ect then yes, it will be very very bad.
Therein lies the danger of these more invisible types of addictions. Only the person knows. You can't really guess at who is or isn't avoiding pain.
if people are having happy relationships I don't see it as a problem.
it's when it's effecting their family life that it becomes bad,
if I were to have a drug addiction, I wouldn't be able to do my work at home or take care of people.
or if I had a gambling addiction, all the money would be gone, because I need to FEED that gambling affliction.
if you're referring to people on here online, then you are saying everyone here that comes here and other astrology forum are addicted? and therefore it's effecting their relationships? that doesn't really make too much sense to me.
That's the opposite of what I'm saying
You can't tell if someone is using seemingly innocuous things to keep themselves from self development/self care/ healing
That's my point it's not fair to say anyone is cuz you have no idea. It's between them and themselves.
oh you can tell an addict. If they are not functioning normal and depressed in life.
but I see what you mean about workaholics trying to escape from feeling the pain.
if you drive into work, and work yourself 15 hour days, you are escaping from something.
I know what you mean.
Becareful of that opinion - both myself while a workaholic and my father who was an extremely successful high functioning alcoholic were happy - successful and functioning.
As the child of a highly functioning alcoholic (none of us knew he was an alcoholic btw until he vanished when he checked himself into rehab) I learned life from him so he never taught me about inner work - emotional processing - it was all about how to succeed at life.
No one had any clue. That's what I'm saying it's not a wise idea to try and guess or judge where someone is at because you never know.
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Posted by Capri-sunit is terrible. they say it's in the blood.Posted by lisabethur8Posted by Capri-sun
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At one point I did make it public knowledge because I felt it might endanger other people
that's sad, capri.
my ex husband was an addict, still is. his father and mother both told me the only way he could sober is in prison. not rehab. isn't that terrible? I don't think they can get addicted in prison. can they??
Yes, it is terrible. I'm not sure about prison. I would image not like you said.
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Posted by Capri-sunit's taught in high school lol 😛Posted by lisabethur8Posted by Capri-sunit is terrible. they say it's in the blood.Posted by lisabethur8Posted by Capri-sun
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At one point I did make it public knowledge because I felt it might endanger other people
that's sad, capri.
my ex husband was an addict, still is. his father and mother both told me the only way he could sober is in prison. not rehab. isn't that terrible? I don't think they can get addicted in prison. can they??
Yes, it is terrible. I'm not sure about prison. I would image not like you said.
and boys will definitely get it. Because girls have xx, so the gene can be bypassed.
but boys...if they have addictions on BOTH sides of the parents...
the boy are more likely to get it due to the xy gene. maybe kind of the same way a boy gets hemophilia while his sisters bypassed it.
Interesting, I didn't know that.
Thank goodness for girls...
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Posted by Capri-sunyou dropped out? lolPosted by lisabethur8Posted by Capri-sunit's taught in high school lol 😛Posted by lisabethur8Posted by Capri-sunit is terrible. they say it's in the blood.Posted by lisabethur8Posted by Capri-sun
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At one point I did make it public knowledge because I felt it might endanger other people
that's sad, capri.
my ex husband was an addict, still is. his father and mother both told me the only way he could sober is in prison. not rehab. isn't that terrible? I don't think they can get addicted in prison. can they??
Yes, it is terrible. I'm not sure about prison. I would image not like you said.
and boys will definitely get it. Because girls have xx, so the gene can be bypassed.
but boys...if they have addictions on BOTH sides of the parents...
the boy are more likely to get it due to the xy gene. maybe kind of the same way a boy gets hemophilia while his sisters bypassed it.
Interesting, I didn't know that.
Thank goodness for girls...
Lol no wonder...I was skipping haha
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I was thinking of this, when a lot of relationships fail because someone has a drug, drinking, marijuana, sex addiction, even gambling addictions.
Are there any solutions.
And I just realized of the BRILLIANCY of Tori Spelling's way of getting her husband to straighten up.
is it brilliant? Or is it INSANITY??
I know I mentioned this on the Taurus forum with a topic of them because it was the first time I saw of her, and her life. Apparently it's a HUGE thing going on in Canada and in U.S.
but when you get down right to it....she is GENIUS don't you think to keep him? despite his addictions?