Grumpycamper
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Opinion on women who wear fake Add Ons?
I hate breast implants. Like they don't have to be try hards about impressing me. I'm strictly not into boobs at all. Actually I prefer them with natural flat boobs to be damn honest.
It depends on why they wear/have them.
If it's because they're trying to reach the unattainable beauty standard portrayed by the media, or because they are doing it because they feel they have to for me (or whoever) then I think it's totally silly and unnecessary.
BUT
If they are doing it for themselves because they like it, and it's something that they want to do, then I'm not going to complain or think less of them for it either.
If it's because they're trying to reach the unattainable beauty standard portrayed by the media, or because they are doing it because they feel they have to for me (or whoever) then I think it's totally silly and unnecessary.
BUT
If they are doing it for themselves because they like it, and it's something that they want to do, then I'm not going to complain or think less of them for it either.
I laugh when they judge men's looks but are wearing 1 pound of makeup that you can scrape off with a knife, or rely far too much on instagram filters and/or photoshop (seen plenty of that horror here).
I get a total kick out of daring serial selfie posters to post one without any makeup whatsoever. Their replies aren't exactly of the good-natured take-it-on-the-chin kind.
I love my Asshole Rising.
I get a total kick out of daring serial selfie posters to post one without any makeup whatsoever. Their replies aren't exactly of the good-natured take-it-on-the-chin kind.
I love my Asshole Rising.
all natural. i haven't worn makeup since high school, never had weave or fake nails.
that's just my preference, but some women can pull it off it tastefully.
that's just my preference, but some women can pull it off it tastefully.
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by saggurl88
That pic seems very this...
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I just posted it to be annoying since she’s mostly fake lol.
Posted by saggurl88Posted by TheApparitionPosted by saggurl88
That pic seems very this...
I just posted it to be annoying since she’s mostly fake lol.click to expand
JBdubbs is a principal dancer for the American Ballet Theater in New York City, lol.
He's about as real in his videos as Nicki Minaj; haha.
And then the same women have the nerves to make fun and call us insecure when we wear 5 inch boots, take steroids and wear 10€ bills around our necks to improve our personality. 😡
I am going to the gym now, don't wait for me.
I am going to the gym now, don't wait for me.
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
Posted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
i know this is off topic now but i used to feel that way. i wouldn't mind it if it was appropriate. some women are bitches. it was more the casual use of the word.
when i started watching ru paul's drag race where the word is used liberally, i was really triggered. i couldn't help that these men dressed as women portrayed women, as in the default position, as "bitches" . then i just realised it was their parlance and i got over myself.
back to the topic, i don't care what women do. their body, their choice. it's fashion and yes, it's marketing and i wish women weren't made to feel less than but it's a way for companies to make money.
but i'm not a man so my pov is probably not what you were after.
Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
i know this is off topic now but i used to feel that way. i wouldn't mind it if it was appropriate. some women are bitches. it was more the casual use of the word.
when i started watching ru paul's drag race where the word is used liberally, i was really triggered. i couldn't help that these men dressed as women portrayed women, as in the default position, as "bitches" . then i just realised it was their parlance and i got over myself.
back to the topic, i don't care what women do. their body, their choice. it's fashion and yes, it's marketing and i wish women weren't made to feel less than but it's a way for companies to make money.
but i'm not a man so my pov is probably not what you were after.click to expand
Did you also happen to notice that "charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent" is a mnemonic for "cunt"?
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by jeanePosted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
i know this is off topic now but i used to feel that way. i wouldn't mind it if it was appropriate. some women are bitches. it was more the casual use of the word.
when i started watching ru paul's drag race where the word is used liberally, i was really triggered. i couldn't help but think that these men dressed as women portrayed women, as in the default position, as "bitches" . then i just realised it was their parlance and i got over myself.
back to the topic, i don't care what women do. their body, their choice. it's fashion and yes, it's marketing and i wish women weren't made to feel less than but it's a way for companies to make money.
but i'm not a man so my pov is probably not what you were after.
Did you also happen to notice that "charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent" is a mnemonic for "cunt"?click to expand
lol, i did but i love that! i personally like the word cunt. it's a mainstay in my vocabulary. i started watching it wondering if these men actually hated women and then i quickly realised, it had nothing to do with women at all. they just like putting on a frock and having fun. don't we all?
Posted by jeanePosted by TheApparitionPosted by jeanePosted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
i know this is off topic now but i used to feel that way. i wouldn't mind it if it was appropriate. some women are bitches. it was more the casual use of the word.
when i started watching ru paul's drag race where the word is used liberally, i was really triggered. i couldn't help but think that these men dressed as women portrayed women, as in the default position, as "bitches" . then i just realised it was their parlance and i got over myself.
back to the topic, i don't care what women do. their body, their choice. it's fashion and yes, it's marketing and i wish women weren't made to feel less than but it's a way for companies to make money.
but i'm not a man so my pov is probably not what you were after.
Did you also happen to notice that "charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent" is a mnemonic for "cunt"?
lol, i did but i love that! i personally like the word cunt. it's a mainstay in my vocabulary. i started watching it wondering if these men actually hated women and then i quickly realised, it had nothing to do with women at all. they just like putting on a frock and having fun. don't we all?click to expand
Haha. I had to do it.
Posted by DevilPosted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
Prepare yourself.
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Lol
Weirdly in this context, it doesn’t bother me 😜
It’s like calling men pussies.
Like if I say “Don’t be a little pussy”, you immediately know you are acting a certain way.
But if I’m talking to a guy and say “These pussies at the gym love working out on a Monday night”
You know I have no problem thinking of men in general like that. So casual, but telling in communication. It’s like damn!? All of them though?! 😩🤣😂
Posted by saggurl88Posted by DevilPosted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
Prepare yourself.
Lol
Weirdly in this context, it doesn’t bother me 😜
It’s like calling men pussies.
Like if I say “Don’t be a little pussy”, you immediately know you are acting a certain way.
But if I’m talking to a guy and say “These pussies at the gym love working out on a Monday night”
You know I have no problem thinking of men in general like that. So casual, but telling in communication. It’s like damn!? All of them though?! 😩🤣😂click to expand
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by saggurl88Posted by DevilPosted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
Prepare yourself.
Lol
Weirdly in this context, it doesn’t bother me 😜
It’s like calling men pussies.
Like if I say “Don’t be a little pussy”, you immediately know you are acting a certain way.
But if I’m talking to a guy and say “These pussies at the gym love working out on a Monday night”
You know I have no problem thinking of men in general like that. So casual, but telling in communication. It’s like damn!? All of them though?! 😩🤣😂
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Lol you have videos on hand as easily as I have memes! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You must watch a lot of YouTube!!
Posted by saggurl88Posted by TheApparitionPosted by saggurl88Posted by DevilPosted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
Prepare yourself.
Lol
Weirdly in this context, it doesn’t bother me 😜
It’s like calling men pussies.
Like if I say “Don’t be a little pussy”, you immediately know you are acting a certain way.
But if I’m talking to a guy and say “These pussies at the gym love working out on a Monday night”
You know I have no problem thinking of men in general like that. So casual, but telling in communication. It’s like damn!? All of them though?! 😩🤣😂
Lol you have videos on hand as easily as I have memes! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You must watch a lot of YouTube!!click to expand
It's pretty much on from the time I wake up to the time I go to sleep. I leave it playing in the background just to listen too while I do everyday things. Haha - Plus, I love stand-up comedy so try to watch just about anything I can get my hands on.
Posted by saggurl88Posted by DevilPosted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
Prepare yourself.
Lol
Weirdly in this context, it doesn’t bother me 😜
It’s like calling men pussies.
Like if I say “Don’t be a little pussy”, you immediately know you are acting a certain way.
But if I’m talking to a guy and say “These pussies at the gym love working out on a Monday night”
You know I have no problem thinking of men in general like that. So casual, but telling in communication. It’s like damn!? All of them though?! 😩🤣😂click to expand
I like to call that "man period" when men start acting a certain way.
Hate long fake nails, and wigs....not to mention this new FAD of long eye lashes.
I saw some fat azz ugly in her car yesterday with eye lashes so long, they almost hit the windshield when she blinked.
Gaaaa-rosss.
I saw some fat azz ugly in her car yesterday with eye lashes so long, they almost hit the windshield when she blinked.
Gaaaa-rosss.
Posted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by saggurl88Posted by DevilPosted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
Prepare yourself.
Lol
Weirdly in this context, it doesn’t bother me 😜
It’s like calling men pussies. Like if I say “Don’t be a little pussy”, you immediately know you are acting a certain way.
But if I’m talking to a guy and say “These pussies at the gym love working out on a Monday night”
You know I have no problem thinking of men in general like that. So casual, but telling in communication. It’s like damn!? All of them though?! 😩🤣😂
I like to call that "man period" when men start acting a certain way.click to expand
lol
I love my nail extensions
My question is how do they have the time to maintain all that ?! I try to take the easiest / laziest route to looking cute. Heck I don’t even brush my hair every day or else my waves get flattened
shit is redunkadunk
shit is redunkadunk
as long as it looks good, I'm into it - makeup, fake nails, lashes, hair color/extensions, even colored contacts....I like the variety of looks...its basically like a roleplay for me, which I'm into, so I'll fund it...same for anything involving feet/shoes....but I wouldn't say I even encourage it or require it, though I tend to date women who are into most of the above...
I normally say I draw the line at butt/breast implants, but tbh I must've clicked on that Trollz video 100x's in my Youtube feed and I hate the song....
I really am into natural beauty also though I swear lol....
I normally say I draw the line at butt/breast implants, but tbh I must've clicked on that Trollz video 100x's in my Youtube feed and I hate the song....
I really am into natural beauty also though I swear lol....
Posted by HearttofTopazz
I’m so low maintenance right now.. I’ve only been wearing a fake mustache, translucent hoof slips, & ear extenders.
Posted by Metatron
as long as it looks good, I'm into it - makeup, fake nails, lashes, hair color/extensions, even colored contacts....I like the variety of looks...its basically like a roleplay for me, which I'm into, so I'll fund it...same for anything involving feet/shoes....but I wouldn't say I even encourage it or require it, though I tend to date women who are into most of the above...
I normally say I draw the line at butt/breast implants, but tbh I must've clicked on that Trollz video 100x's in my Youtube feed and I hate the song....
I really am into natural beauty also though I swear lol....
I only wear fake nails, sometimes. But the way you answered the question has me a little
Posted by Sith_Rogen
It's just the female version of thumping car stereos or a crotch rocket motorcycle.
+1
Men get fake hair pieces and beards all the time
Cars they can’t afford,etc
Both men and women can be objectified...but it normally happens to women.
We live in a society of selfies and swiping and who can get the most followers.
This might be Utopian, but shouldn't we be allowed to be who we want to be?
I say this as a man who has objectified women and still does...but tries not to.
I say this as a man who sometimes cares about how he looks going out in public, especially for a first date.
But...I'll say this...
...it's tougher for women.
Women get criticized by men and women.
If they don't get "done up" enough then they get judged..."Doesn't she value herself enough to spend time getting ready?"
If they get "done up" too much they get judged. "She's trying way too hard to impress." OR "How long did that take her?" OR "What is she hiding?"
If they simply wear something they like...they get judged..."What was she thinking?"
I don't like it if someone is fake, but that has to do more with his/her personality. If I meet a woman who is "done up" seemingly too much, perhaps I'm missing out if I don't give her a chance. The same can be said if I meet a woman who is not "done up" seemingly enough.
Maybe I'll meet a woman who's done up all the time, but I give her a chance and find out she's a great person. Maybe I'll help her feel secure enough where she doesn't feel the need to impress all the time. OR Maybe she is secure and the problem is with me and I'll be comfortable with her being comfortable.
Let's try to look past the shell a little bit more often...this goes for both men and women.
I realize this is The Man Cave...but curbing "sexual objectification" starts here man.
We live in a society of selfies and swiping and who can get the most followers.
This might be Utopian, but shouldn't we be allowed to be who we want to be?
I say this as a man who has objectified women and still does...but tries not to.
I say this as a man who sometimes cares about how he looks going out in public, especially for a first date.
But...I'll say this...
...it's tougher for women.
Women get criticized by men and women.
If they don't get "done up" enough then they get judged..."Doesn't she value herself enough to spend time getting ready?"
If they get "done up" too much they get judged. "She's trying way too hard to impress." OR "How long did that take her?" OR "What is she hiding?"
If they simply wear something they like...they get judged..."What was she thinking?"
I don't like it if someone is fake, but that has to do more with his/her personality. If I meet a woman who is "done up" seemingly too much, perhaps I'm missing out if I don't give her a chance. The same can be said if I meet a woman who is not "done up" seemingly enough.
Maybe I'll meet a woman who's done up all the time, but I give her a chance and find out she's a great person. Maybe I'll help her feel secure enough where she doesn't feel the need to impress all the time. OR Maybe she is secure and the problem is with me and I'll be comfortable with her being comfortable.
Let's try to look past the shell a little bit more often...this goes for both men and women.
I realize this is The Man Cave...but curbing "sexual objectification" starts here man.
Lol, that stuff doesn’t bother me.
Side note: I like when they take photos with their eyes closed to showcase their lashes off to everyone.😆
Side note: I like when they take photos with their eyes closed to showcase their lashes off to everyone.😆
Posted by Black-MambaPosted by saggurl88
Men calling woman bitches is such a pet peeve of mine. It’s such a casual thing and yet
yeah someone on here called me a bitch a few days ago and it still grates my nerves
I'm pissedclick to expand
I don't mind it in a fun playful way, but just using it in normal conversation like replacing bitch for women gets me triggered. You know exactly what word will fly out their mouth first thing in an argument. And then I would just have to cut them!
They'd better find a rock to hide under to escape my temper 😆
Posted by Piscis_Hominis
I realize this is The Man Cave...but curbing "sexual objectification" starts here man.
I don't hear people talking about objectification much at all anymore...Is this still a focus for modern feminists? I think I've either forgotten what it means or why its bad...
with the path popular culture has gone down, being so image-driven/voyeuristic (here I'm mainly thinking of social media and mainstream acceptance of porn), I think some level of sexual objectification is currently accepted and even perceived as beneficial...
Posted by MetatronPosted by Piscis_Hominis
I realize this is The Man Cave...but curbing "sexual objectification" starts here man.
I don't hear people talking about objectification much at all anymore...Is this still a focus for modern feminists? I think I've either forgotten what it means or why its bad...
with the path popular culture has gone down, being so image-driven/voyeuristic (here I'm mainly thinking of social media and mainstream acceptance of porn), I think some level of sexual objectification is currently accepted and even perceived as beneficial...click to expand
I think a little objectification can be good within a relationship. I'm OK with objectifying my woman a little and vice versa. I think it comes down to wanting to be the best for yourself and your partner, realizing we are all imperfect beings.
I think we are heading down a dark path as a society re: sexual objectification, and it's hurting our younger people who we want to be future functioning adults.
Young women are competing with other young women to vie for the attention of men. Girls are doing it with boys too.
Let's stick with teenagers for a moment.
There are teenage girls sending naked pics to teenage boys because in order to seek validation, attention, and acceptance.
Some are sending them because they think they owe it to the boy for giving them attention and for being "so cute" or "so nice" or whatever.
A big failure here is parenting. There are simply a lack of consequences for young people, and this is tied to society and stuff happening in the schools. Parents need to stop trying to be their kid's friend. They need to stop avoiding the difficulty of not giving in to tantrums. Kids have way too much freedom to see and engage in things they are not ready for.
Posted by Piscis_HominisPosted by MetatronPosted by Piscis_Hominis
I realize this is The Man Cave...but curbing "sexual objectification" starts here man.
I don't hear people talking about objectification much at all anymore...Is this still a focus for modern feminists? I think I've either forgotten what it means or why its bad...
with the path popular culture has gone down, being so image-driven/voyeuristic (here I'm mainly thinking of social media and mainstream acceptance of porn), I think some level of sexual objectification is currently accepted and even perceived as beneficial...
I think a little objectification can be good within a relationship. I'm OK with objectifying my woman a little and vice versa. I think it comes down to wanting to be the best for yourself and your partner, realizing we are all imperfect beings.
I think we are heading down a dark path as a society re: sexual objectification, and it's hurting our younger people who we want to be future functioning adults.
Young women are competing with other young women to vie for the attention of men. Girls are doing it with boys too.
Let's stick with teenagers for a moment.
There are teenage girls sending naked pics to teenage boys because in order to seek validation, attention, and acceptance.
Some are sending them because they think they owe it to the boy for giving them attention and for being "so cute" or "so nice" or whatever.
A big failure here is parenting. There are simply a lack of consequences for young people, and this is tied to society and stuff happening in the schools. Parents need to stop trying to be their kid's friend. They need to stop avoiding the difficulty of not giving in to tantrums. Kids have way too much freedom to see and engage in things they are not ready for.click to expand
The same points could essentially be said for adults too, lol. Almost all of them.
Influenced by society, Sending images or changing appearance for attention, A lack of general consequence, can be tied to things that are happening in our social/work lives, overly focusing on being one anothers friends instead of support or advocate, doing things that are convenient, avoiding dealing with things that are inconvenient, an excess of freedoms and civil liberties.
It's all the same at the end of the day regardless of age or gender. It's essentially a mindset, and when things are mindset you are hard-pressed to place blame on anyone one thing whenever the thing that you're trying to place the blame on is also flawed in and of itself.
To be effective there needs to be a societal and cultural shift in mindset across the board. All ages all genders all races.
Just my 2 pesos.
Posted by Piscis_HominisPosted by MetatronPosted by Piscis_Hominis
I realize this is The Man Cave...but curbing "sexual objectification" starts here man.
I don't hear people talking about objectification much at all anymore...Is this still a focus for modern feminists? I think I've either forgotten what it means or why its bad...
with the path popular culture has gone down, being so image-driven/voyeuristic (here I'm mainly thinking of social media and mainstream acceptance of porn), I think some level of sexual objectification is currently accepted and even perceived as beneficial...
I think a little objectification can be good within a relationship. I'm OK with objectifying my woman a little and vice versa. I think it comes down to wanting to be the best for yourself and your partner, realizing we are all imperfect beings.
I think we are heading down a dark path as a society re: sexual objectification, and it's hurting our younger people who we want to be future functioning adults.
Young women are competing with other young women to vie for the attention of men. Girls are doing it with boys too.
Let's stick with teenagers for a moment.
There are teenage girls sending naked pics to teenage boys because in order to seek validation, attention, and acceptance.
Some are sending them because they think they owe it to the boy for giving them attention and for being "so cute" or "so nice" or whatever.
A big failure here is parenting. There are simply a lack of consequences for young people, and this is tied to society and stuff happening in the schools. Parents need to stop trying to be their kid's friend. They need to stop avoiding the difficulty of not giving in to tantrums. Kids have way too much freedom to see and engage in things they are not ready for.click to expand
I can agree on sexualization of children, and how adult behaviors trickle down, being a huge problem. I really don't know how to address that, and SM and smart phones present a whole new set of challenges for parents now. How do you really solve that other than staying close with them and their friends, and monitoring their usage/viewing to the best of your ability though?
That aside, the kind of objectification I'm talking about is not aimed within the relationship. I'm mainly talking about the fact that both men and women seem to have grown much more comfortable with voyeurism (and often exhibitionism) due to SM, and porn usage is fairly common/regular for both sexes now, so its no longer seen solely in terms of male exploitation (bracketing all of the shady shit that goes on in the industry). I think one of the biggest gender myths of previous generations was that men are significantly "more visual" than women (though I do think they have greater preference for variety), and recent research is eroding that.
I've read two recent studies - if I recall correctly, one using speed dating trials/questionnaires, and one that directly measured arousal in response to imagery, where visual attraction/response was about equal for both sexes - and they argue that its mostly for cultural reasons that women consciously believe looks are less important to them, though they still register just as high in practice. That said, with all of the access and exposure to purely visual stimulation, and both sexes now indulging, often even as a couple, I think its safe to say that both would prefer their partner actually objectify the subjects. If I'm following my favorite porn stars on their social media, peeking through that window into their personal lives, getting to know them/their personalities, and becoming interested in them as actual people (which I think is partially the appeal of the "only fans" trend), I'm sure its more cause for concern with my partner. Thus the benefits, of porn being "just porn". Something similar could be said with the trends in film, and just the focus on aesthetics/imagery in SM. I think on some level people have just accepted that you're going to be bombarded with physical beauty from every angle, and it would be unhealthy or antisocial on some level to try too hard to avoid it. Some are getting past the notion that it needs to make us more cynical about the possibility of romantic exclusivism, by viewing it more impersonally/objectively and hoping their partners are doing the same, while others are shifting their boundaries/expectations around exclusivity itself.
Posted by MetatronPosted by Piscis_HominisPosted by MetatronPosted by Piscis_Hominis
I realize this is The Man Cave...but curbing "sexual objectification" starts here man.
I don't hear people talking about objectification much at all anymore...Is this still a focus for modern feminists? I think I've either forgotten what it means or why its bad...
with the path popular culture has gone down, being so image-driven/voyeuristic (here I'm mainly thinking of social media and mainstream acceptance of porn), I think some level of sexual objectification is currently accepted and even perceived as beneficial...
I think a little objectification can be good within a relationship. I'm OK with objectifying my woman a little and vice versa. I think it comes down to wanting to be the best for yourself and your partner, realizing we are all imperfect beings.
I think we are heading down a dark path as a society re: sexual objectification, and it's hurting our younger people who we want to be future functioning adults.
Young women are competing with other young women to vie for the attention of men. Girls are doing it with boys too.
Let's stick with teenagers for a moment.
There are teenage girls sending naked pics to teenage boys because in order to seek validation, attention, and acceptance.
Some are sending them because they think they owe it to the boy for giving them attention and for being "so cute" or "so nice" or whatever.
A big failure here is parenting. There are simply a lack of consequences for young people, and this is tied to society and stuff happening in the schools. Parents need to stop trying to be their kid's friend. They need to stop avoiding the difficulty of not giving in to tantrums. Kids have way too much freedom to see and engage in things they are not ready for.
I can agree on sexualization of children, and how adult behaviors trickle down, being a huge problem. I really don't know how to address that, and SM and smart phones present a whole new set of challenges for parents now. How do you really solve that other than staying close with them and their friends, and monitoring their usage/viewing to the best of your ability though?
That aside, the kind of objectification I'm talking about is not aimed within the relationship. I'm mainly talking about the fact that both men and women seem to have grown much more comfortable with voyeurism (and often exhibitionism) due to SM, and porn usage is fairly common/regular for both sexes now, so its no longer seen solely in terms of male exploitation (bracketing all of the shady shit that goes on in the industry). I think one of the biggest gender myths of previous generations was that men are significantly "more visual" than women (though I do think they have greater preference for variety), and recent research is eroding that.
I've read two recent studies - if I recall correctly, one using speed dating trials/questionnaires, and one that directly measured arousal in response to imagery, where visual attraction/response was about equal for both sexes - and they argue that its mostly for cultural reasons that women consciously believe looks are less important to them, though they still register just as high in practice. That said, with all of the access and exposure to purely visual stimulation, and both sexes now indulging, often even as a couple, I think its safe to say that both would prefer their partner actually objectify the subjects. If I'm following my favorite porn stars on their social media, peeking through that window into their personal lives, getting to know them/their personalities, and becoming interested in them as actual people (which I think is partially the appeal of the "only fans" trend), I'm sure its more cause for concern with my partner. Thus the benefits, of porn being "just porn". Something similar could be said with the trends in film, and just the focus on aesthetics/imagery in SM. I think on some level people have just accepted that you're going to be bombarded with physical beauty from every angle, and it would be unhealthy or antisocial on some level to try too hard to avoid it. Some are getting past the notion that it needs to make us more cynical about the possibility of romantic exclusivism, by viewing it more impersonally/objectively and hoping their partners are doing the same, while others are shifting their boundaries/expectations around exclusivity itself.click to expand
The Impacts of Sexual Media Exposure on Adolescent and Emerging Adults’ Dating and Sexual Violence Attitudes and Behaviors: A Critical Review of the Literature
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Soledad_Escobar-Chaves/publication/7743758_Impact_of_the_Media_on_Adolescent_Sexual_Attitudes_and_Behaviors/links/004635330415ec6032000000/Impact-of-the-Media-on-Adolescent-Sexual-Attitudes-and-Behaviors.pdf
I'm not trying to "say anything" by posting this, lol. I just thought it would be something that you may be interested in reading is all.
Posted by tizianiPosted by TheApparitionPosted by MetatronPosted by Piscis_HominisPosted by MetatronPosted by Piscis_Hominis
I realize this is The Man Cave...but curbing "sexual objectification" starts here man.
I don't hear people talking about objectification much at all anymore...Is this still a focus for modern feminists? I think I've either forgotten what it means or why its bad...
with the path popular culture has gone down, being so image-driven/voyeuristic (here I'm mainly thinking of social media and mainstream acceptance of porn), I think some level of sexual objectification is currently accepted and even perceived as beneficial...
I think a little objectification can be good within a relationship. I'm OK with objectifying my woman a little and vice versa. I think it comes down to wanting to be the best for yourself and your partner, realizing we are all imperfect beings.
I think we are heading down a dark path as a society re: sexual objectification, and it's hurting our younger people who we want to be future functioning adults.
Young women are competing with other young women to vie for the attention of men. Girls are doing it with boys too.
Let's stick with teenagers for a moment.
There are teenage girls sending naked pics to teenage boys because in order to seek validation, attention, and acceptance.
Some are sending them because they think they owe it to the boy for giving them attention and for being "so cute" or "so nice" or whatever.
A big failure here is parenting. There are simply a lack of consequences for young people, and this is tied to society and stuff happening in the schools. Parents need to stop trying to be their kid's friend. They need to stop avoiding the difficulty of not giving in to tantrums. Kids have way too much freedom to see and engage in things they are not ready for.
I can agree on sexualization of children, and how adult behaviors trickle down, being a huge problem. I really don't know how to address that, and SM and smart phones present a whole new set of challenges for parents now. How do you really solve that other than staying close with them and their friends, and monitoring their usage/viewing to the best of your ability though?
That aside, the kind of objectification I'm talking about is not aimed within the relationship. I'm mainly talking about the fact that both men and women seem to have grown much more comfortable with voyeurism (and often exhibitionism) due to SM, and porn usage is fairly common/regular for both sexes now, so its no longer seen solely in terms of male exploitation (bracketing all of the shady shit that goes on in the industry). I think one of the biggest gender myths of previous generations was that men are significantly "more visual" than women (though I do think they have greater preference for variety), and recent research is eroding that.
I've read two recent studies - if I recall correctly, one using speed dating trials/questionnaires, and one that directly measured arousal in response to imagery, where visual attraction/response was about equal for both sexes - and they argue that its mostly for cultural reasons that women consciously believe looks are less important to them, though they still register just as high in practice. That said, with all of the access and exposure to purely visual stimulation, and both sexes now indulging, often even as a couple, I think its safe to say that both would prefer their partner actually objectify the subjects. If I'm following my favorite porn stars on their social media, peeking through that window into their personal lives, getting to know them/their personalities, and becoming interested in them as actual people (which I think is partially the appeal of the "only fans" trend), I'm sure its more cause for concern with my partner. Thus the benefits, of porn being "just porn". Something similar could be said with the trends in film, and just the focus on aesthetics/imagery in SM. I think on some level people have just accepted that you're going to be bombarded with physical beauty from every angle, and it would be unhealthy or antisocial on some level to try too hard to avoid it. Some are getting past the notion that it needs to make us more cynical about the possibility of romantic exclusivism, by viewing it more impersonally/objectively and hoping their partners are doing the same, while others are shifting their boundaries/expectations around exclusivity itself.
The Impacts of Sexual Media Exposure on Adolescent and Emerging Adults’ Dating and Sexual Violence Attitudes and Behaviors: A Critical Review of the Literature
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Soledad_Escobar-Chaves/publication/7743758_Impact_of_the_Media_on_Adolescent_Sexual_Attitudes_and_Behaviors/links/004635330415ec6032000000/Impact-of-the-Media-on-Adolescent-Sexual-Attitudes-and-Behaviors.pdf
I'm not trying to "say anything" by posting this, lol. I just thought it would be something that you may be interested in reading is all.
I'm fact-checking the shit out of this
And if even one semi-colon looks out of place, I swear to God....click to expand
😂🤣 😜
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by tizianiPosted by TheApparitionPosted by MetatronPosted by Piscis_HominisPosted by MetatronPosted by Piscis_Hominis
I realize this is The Man Cave...but curbing "sexual objectification" starts here man.
I don't hear people talking about objectification much at all anymore...Is this still a focus for modern feminists? I think I've either forgotten what it means or why its bad...
with the path popular culture has gone down, being so image-driven/voyeuristic (here I'm mainly thinking of social media and mainstream acceptance of porn), I think some level of sexual objectification is currently accepted and even perceived as beneficial...
I think a little objectification can be good within a relationship. I'm OK with objectifying my woman a little and vice versa. I think it comes down to wanting to be the best for yourself and your partner, realizing we are all imperfect beings.
I think we are heading down a dark path as a society re: sexual objectification, and it's hurting our younger people who we want to be future functioning adults.
Young women are competing with other young women to vie for the attention of men. Girls are doing it with boys too.
Let's stick with teenagers for a moment.
There are teenage girls sending naked pics to teenage boys because in order to seek validation, attention, and acceptance.
Some are sending them because they think they owe it to the boy for giving them attention and for being "so cute" or "so nice" or whatever.
A big failure here is parenting. There are simply a lack of consequences for young people, and this is tied to society and stuff happening in the schools. Parents need to stop trying to be their kid's friend. They need to stop avoiding the difficulty of not giving in to tantrums. Kids have way too much freedom to see and engage in things they are not ready for.
I can agree on sexualization of children, and how adult behaviors trickle down, being a huge problem. I really don't know how to address that, and SM and smart phones present a whole new set of challenges for parents now. How do you really solve that other than staying close with them and their friends, and monitoring their usage/viewing to the best of your ability though?
That aside, the kind of objectification I'm talking about is not aimed within the relationship. I'm mainly talking about the fact that both men and women seem to have grown much more comfortable with voyeurism (and often exhibitionism) due to SM, and porn usage is fairly common/regular for both sexes now, so its no longer seen solely in terms of male exploitation (bracketing all of the shady shit that goes on in the industry). I think one of the biggest gender myths of previous generations was that men are significantly "more visual" than women (though I do think they have greater preference for variety), and recent research is eroding that.
I've read two recent studies - if I recall correctly, one using speed dating trials/questionnaires, and one that directly measured arousal in response to imagery, where visual attraction/response was about equal for both sexes - and they argue that its mostly for cultural reasons that women consciously believe looks are less important to them, though they still register just as high in practice. That said, with all of the access and exposure to purely visual stimulation, and both sexes now indulging, often even as a couple, I think its safe to say that both would prefer their partner actually objectify the subjects. If I'm following my favorite porn stars on their social media, peeking through that window into their personal lives, getting to know them/their personalities, and becoming interested in them as actual people (which I think is partially the appeal of the "only fans" trend), I'm sure its more cause for concern with my partner. Thus the benefits, of porn being "just porn". Something similar could be said with the trends in film, and just the focus on aesthetics/imagery in SM. I think on some level people have just accepted that you're going to be bombarded with physical beauty from every angle, and it would be unhealthy or antisocial on some level to try too hard to avoid it. Some are getting past the notion that it needs to make us more cynical about the possibility of romantic exclusivism, by viewing it more impersonally/objectively and hoping their partners are doing the same, while others are shifting their boundaries/expectations around exclusivity itself.
The Impacts of Sexual Media Exposure on Adolescent and Emerging Adults’ Dating and Sexual Violence Attitudes and Behaviors: A Critical Review of the Literature
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Soledad_Escobar-Chaves/publication/7743758_Impact_of_the_Media_on_Adolescent_Sexual_Attitudes_and_Behaviors/links/004635330415ec6032000000/Impact-of-the-Media-on-Adolescent-Sexual-Attitudes-and-Behaviors.pdf
I'm not trying to "say anything" by posting this, lol. I just thought it would be something that you may be interested in reading is all.
I'm fact-checking the shit out of this
And if even one semi-colon looks out of place, I swear to God....
😂🤣 😜click to expand
Posted by 777
I hate fake nails, hair, whole bunch of make up. Bitches look like they are ready for a costume party.
wbu?
same as wearing makeup, it's fine, imo
Most days I’m natural... too natural loI i don’t even make an effort
If I’m in the mood, I wear makeup, wigs, heels etc to change my look and because it’s fun. I’m into fashion design and art
Putting on make up before a special event or going out is very ritualistic in a sense.. it adds to the excitement 💕🤗
If I’m in the mood, I wear makeup, wigs, heels etc to change my look and because it’s fun. I’m into fashion design and art
Putting on make up before a special event or going out is very ritualistic in a sense.. it adds to the excitement 💕🤗
Posted by 777
I hate fake nails, hair, whole bunch of make up. Bitches look like they are ready for a costume party.
wbu?
Makeup has always been a creative expression throughout history, including men. When you look back at the Egyptians to the New Romantics in the 80’s.
It’s not my thing but I can appreciate the art form if it’s done well.
Posted by Isolde
It’s not my thing but I can appreciate the art form if it’s done well.
I always say the same. And it doesn't rule out having strong natural beauty. Some women only put on heavy makeup when they go out, and are comfortable either way. For them its like having different outfits for different occasions. We take the idea of clothing for granted, but its basically like wearing a 2nd skin, and alters perception of your silhouette which is one of the first signals people pick up on wrt attraction. I do tend to notice that women with good natural bone structure wear less makeup, but not everyone is blessed in that regard...
Posted by MetatronPosted by Isolde
It’s not my thing but I can appreciate the art form if it’s done well.
I always say the same. And it doesn't rule out having strong natural beauty. Some women who only put on heavy makeup when they go out, and are comfortable either way. For them its like having different outfits for different occasions. We take the idea of clothing for granted, but its basically like wearing a 2nd skin, and alters perception of your silhouette which is one of the first signals people pick up on wrt attraction. I do tend to notice that women with good natural bone structure wear less makeup, but not everyone is blessed in that regard...click to expand
So true, the human body itself is just incredible! Contorting/distorting to how we want to express ourselves, clothes/ makeup is just an extension of that... whether we want to be seen as an individual or communicate with our tribe.
Probably why I was going on about men and body hair in the other thread, without getting too serious. In my former company I saw a rise in body dysmorphia in teenage boys (notably SM, men’s health mags, porn and the constant reboots of superhero movies that plays a part), that’s been a game changer considering girls/women have always been bashed when it comes to looks. And so we use to reprogram their thinking on what is acceptable and what is not.
That’s not a dig at the OP tho, I see the point. But wanted to give a plausible alternative and those criticisms go both ways.
I could talk about this subject all day, everyday if I’m honest but I’ll leave it here as I have immense celebrating to do 🥳
We’re all born naked and the rest is drag.
Posted by alexscariesPosted by IsoldePosted by MetatronPosted by Isolde
It’s not my thing but I can appreciate the art form if it’s done well.
I always say the same. And it doesn't rule out having strong natural beauty. Some women who only put on heavy makeup when they go out, and are comfortable either way. For them its like having different outfits for different occasions. We take the idea of clothing for granted, but its basically like wearing a 2nd skin, and alters perception of your silhouette which is one of the first signals people pick up on wrt attraction. I do tend to notice that women with good natural bone structure wear less makeup, but not everyone is blessed in that regard...
So true, the human body itself is just incredible! Contorting/distorting to how we want to express ourselves, clothes/ makeup is just an extension of that... whether we want to be seen as an individual or communicate with our tribe.
Probably why I was going on about men and body hair in the other thread, without getting too serious. In my former company I saw a rise in body dysmorphia in teenage boys (notably SM, men’s health mags, porn and the constant reboots of superhero movies that plays a part), that’s been a game changer considering girls/women have always been bashed when it comes to looks. And so we use to reprogram their thinking on what is acceptable and what is not.
That’s not a dig at the OP tho, I see the point. But wanted to give a plausible alternative and those criticisms go both ways.
I could talk about this subject all day, everyday if I’m honest but I’ll leave it here as I have immense celebrating to do 🥳
I think if tacky superhero films encourage somebody to go to the gym and pick up weights it's not a bad thing.click to expand
😂 was that your takeaway message... I mentioned rise of body dysmorphia in teenage boys, at that age they are already at their optimum best. There’s no need to be taking protein shakes and bulking up. Girls and boys do sports throughout school in a healthy way and most usually carry on as a hobby into adulthood.
Anything that encourages people to be healthy is a good thing but there also a thing called Toxic Positivity.
Would ideally prefer youths to be inspired by athletes, Usain Bolt has a lean bod with good muscle definition. Better than looking like an inflatable action hero 😈 tho this is all very subjective.
They can wear anything they want, they didn’t harm you or anyone else.
🤷🏻♀️
why is this topic in the man cave.
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wbu?