Zimmerman Trial Facts (Page 5)

Posted by xygeneration
When you say skittles are we talking about bag of candy or drugs?

Im not sure if he played football, will have to see a picture.

He must not be an avid player if he smokes thougg

Umm, I didn't saying anything about candy - I was asking about football.
Haven't heard anything about him smoking. Football players are known to smoke.
I seen a pic of him wearing a football jersey and thought I heard someone
say he played football. I don't know if it was for school or casual fun at the park.

You know.... they say that you learn much about someone from their background.
What I think makes Trayvon's life more meaningful is to find out more about him.

Posted by xygeneration
But what about his history of violence, will that be ignored? Mr.Fi

I've heard very little about Zimmerman's history of violence. I think I heard
that he had domestic dispute with an off duty cop. Mind you I haven't confirmed that.
and it was pretty vague at the time I heard it and I don't hear all that well, to begin with.

Probably should check out both backgrounds. Just to be fair.

oh ok thanks x.

What I really want to get clarified and nobody has answered this yet is exactly what
Zimmerman said and did that people think is racist.
I am doing my best to be fair and impartial reading and listening to all that I can
without getting into the emotional side of the tragedy and subsequent controversy.

The reason I ask about this is because IF Zimmerman did not break any Civil Rights
laws in his call to Sanford PD, when he reporting on suspicious person, I cannot see
how there can be any Civil Rights prosecution - IF someone would explain the dos and don'ts
to me, I might understand better.

Otherwise, sounds like we are better off not calling the police to report suspicious activity.
maybe the best we can do is call the station and talk about the weather. - can't tell them
about how the wheels are being stolen off their squad car.

To be perfectly honest, to have to even ask, bothers me. It's like something out of
the twilight zone.

It's like someone walkin' up to you sayin' "Hey did you know about this law and how it works
and what is expected of you?" you say "what law is that?" and the comback is "the law that says
you are not allowed to describe the race of the person whom you suspect is up to no good".
Surprised You say "Oh yeahhhhhhh??" "that right" he replies "You cannot tell them what race
they are you cannot tell them what they are wearing nor can you tell them what they are doing"
he says, "No Shit??!?!?!?!—" your shocked, and he concludes "It's Racial and Criminal Profiling".

That's my current understanding of what Racial profiling is - If I got that scenario wrong, then
somebody please let me know.

Posted by xygeneration
Racial profiling doesn't work like that Mr.Fit

Ok, how then, does it work?
What did Zimmerman do to be accused of violating Travon's Civil Rights?

I was and am not using sarcasm, I was drawing an illustration, analogy, metaphor in
an effort to explain how I am understanding what I am hearing and reading.
It's a confusing thing.

I sincerely would like to know what exactly Zimmerman did as it regards to racial profiling.
What the NAACP is alleging he is guilty of - what EXACTLY was it— That's my question.

Was he wrong for calling the Police? yes or no?
If yes, then what's the point of having a police department?
If no, then what did he say that violated the law the NAACP alleges?

See what I mean—
It's like people are not longer allowed to call the police if they see someone
they deem suspicious. As if "Suspicion" itself has been outlawed.

Guys, it's over...not sure what else there is to debate. He's free to go. Deal with it, I guess.


On another note, reading some of the initial comments from some members reacting to the verdict the way they did...do you really wonder why racial stereotypes exist and why people are getting profiled every fucking day?

Just read the comments everywhere, not just here.

Damen said he hopes some white boy gets his face blown off now.
That's not the worst comment I've seen either. :/

& yeah, btw, as Firebird already pointed out...this fuck is still free to carry his gun on him. 🙂

Posted by xygeneration
Its when you actually pursue the person based on their colour alone.

But from whst you posted it ain't so

Ok, that is the law, that you CANNOT pursue anyone based on the color of their skin, alone?
Ok, I certainly have no problem that.
But IF so, then there appears to be a problem, already.

"Yet in order for federal charges to be brought against Zimmerman, the Justice Department would need to establish that a hate crime was committed, a legal burden Holder has said in the past would be a challenge to meet."

"For a federal hate crime we have to prove the highest standard in the law," Holder said in April 2012. "Something that was reckless, that was negligent does not meet that standard. We have to show that there was specific intent to do the crime with requisite state of mind." - Holder
For more info go here:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/14/naacp-talking-to-justice-department-about-zimmerman-case/<BR>

ps thanks x

Posted by xygeneration
Not that you cant pursue, but if that was the motive behind your action and nothing else that is within reason...then yeah its profiling

Ok, thanks, please watch that clip.

Another individual Ben Kruidbos apparently was fired over disclosure of information that
was withheld from the defense by the State. - there's something wrong with that and I think
it's been discussed by Mark O'Mara
Kruidbos was a witness who testified in the Zimmerman trial. He may have disclose this
information while on the stand under oath. - not sure if that is what led to his firing.
However, IF it was because of something he said on the stand - that "might" be a conflict of
Constituional Law.

Posted by xygeneration
Mr. F do you think there's some stereotyping that went on, on both sides?

Do I think it's been going on on both sides? I think so and I know a lot of people
would tell you, yes.

I think there is a LOT of crazy BS going on - Political BS in and outside of government, legal
agencies, the Media, and in society in general -

Imagine exploiting the tragic death of Trayvon Martin under extremely unusual and unfortunate
circumstances, (refer to that interview with Bill Lee, above, for starters.)for some now unknown
political gain.

From the bits and pieces dribbling out from various circles involved in the case Mark O'Mara being just one man. This appears to be very BIG and it has a bit more on the national
level and may have something to do with gun control.
(I always suspect gun control, P-angel mentioned it as well.)
That is..... exploit a tragic situation, use media to hype it to the hilt, get everyone emotionally charged and pull the ropes. - it sounds far fetched, but it's like p-angel mentioned before
concerning what Hitler said about guns -
When you read my posts, - you have to read all of me, very carefully. I am not the carefree shoot the breeze type when I am writing like this. I make mistakes from your typical grammar, but I try
my best to be concise while getting my message across - very hard to do and especially with nature of the topic and implications far beyond the specifics of Zimmerman and Martin.
Also, this is a developing situation that has been going on for quite some time -
anyway.... - I don't want to get into that at this time.
My focus is to zero in on some key developments and facts - I want to remain as impartial and
objective as I can, while remaining compassionate towards others and passionate for the truth.
that's all I am doing.

Sometimes I wonder if Trayvon hadn't been black or under the age of 18 if this would have been such a media sensation... :/

That aside, it always fascinates me what makes the national news and what doesn't. There are some seriously fucked up things that happen every day, some worse than what actually DOES make the national news. Makes me wonder who decides what gets media attention and what doesn't.

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Posted by Nemesis
european news broadcasted it a bit - it was not a sensation over here. they showed the verdict being spoken. riots have not been mentionend (yet) only showed protestors outside the court building. this could really escalate though.

Well, I for one hope for peace as does the Travon Martin family and the Zimmerman family.
IMHO, the US Mainstream media may likely feel otherwise. - It would be a field day for them.

Yes, it could escalate IF a shot rings out.
Over here, there are many groups who just don't get along.
Whether or not a riot breaks out, which I don't think will happen on the scale of the LA riots,
but for every action there is a reaction. - Again, I honestly don't think it's going to be anything
that bad - I haven't heard of anything yet. I was saying earlier that IF it broke out, it could escalate. - I think we are living in different times now, than back then, though so, it's all IFFY.

Where's over here? Riots are nothing new. We've had them approx. every 10 years in this country since our very beginning. LA was the first multicultural riot. The last riot I can think of is the Canadian one over soccer or hockey. I forget. The 'reaction' I see will be positive. It will most likely motivate people in Florida esp, the younger generations to get involved in political activism. I forget the last few events or trials that went on where people were screaming "There's going to be a riot!" and nothing even ever happened.

Notice what I said a few pages back, please. I happen to be a bit, shall we say "familiar" with the
LA Riots of 1992. Please Go back and read - you'll see what I had to say then. You might be surprised.

As for this thread, you're kinda new. Please read/watch ALL that I have posted.
Understanding should improve.

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No, thank you. I understand. I've read enough. Too long. That 911 photo was enough for me. I just jumped in last night because of the verdict. You should change your avi tho, it's too much like DJ's. I keep mixing the two of you up. It's bizarre how trolls are allowed on thi

No, thank you. I understand. I've read enough. Too long. That 911 photo was enough for me. I just jumped in last night because of the verdict. You should change your avi tho, it's too much like DJ's. I keep mixing the two of you up. It's bizarre how trolls are allowed on this forum and people have long conversations with them. lol (DJ on this thread)

Another 'reaction' I see happening is people changing gun laws to prohibit gun ownership from citizens who assault police officers and beat women, or are under prescription drugs like Tamazepan that cause aggressiveness and hallucinations.

What happened to all horrific riots and attacks that the Black Panthers were planning. I mean... some people on this thread were POSITIVE that the country was going to explode because the Black community was going to burn down every house in America. Posts came fully equipped with images of said attacks.

What happened? I have been busy today, but did I miss something—? Everyone was SURE of this taking place. What happened?

Hmmm.....

Posted by DonJohnson

Posted by natural25
What happened to all horrific riots and attacks that the Black Panthers were planning. I mean... some people on this thread were POSITIVE that the country was going to explode because the Black community was going to burn down every house in America. Posts came fully equipped with images of said attacks.

What happened? I have been busy today, but did I miss something—? Everyone was SURE of this taking place. What happened?

Hmmm.....

The threats were real and I've posted some including the black panther leaders. Their words, not mine. But intellectual execution seem to always be the monkey wrench in the wheel.

May have over-estimated the organization ability of these threat groups.

We will see in a few days when the police aren't out in full force. There were riots lastnight but on a smaller scale.

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Hmmm....

Oh ok. Because you even provided an image of the world blowing up. So, I was sure that this in fact was going to happen.... because of your astute certainty in the matter.

I thought it would be end of days Revelations.

Well, thank you for clearing that up for me. Now, I know it's safe to leave the basement. My dogs will be happy. 🙂

Posted by DonJohnson
I never said it would be immediate with the police out in full force........ we will see in the coming days though 🙂

Indeed, we shall.

I take your word for it. Most definitely Mr. Johnson. 🙂

Posted by Mixtape
I had a convo lalst night with a friend about the NUMEROUS points that they overlooked and didn't ask about and the fact that zimmerman came in with no bruises or anything.. if your head was being bashed in.. you'd have some marks.

At the trial? They did discuss his wounds, and showed photos.

Posted by SUT3point0

Posted by P-Angel

Posted by geminicandle

Zimmerman is German last name and most Germans in USA are Jewish.

lol ... what a dumb fuck

egg on your face huh?

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The Gem? Which face?

Fairly certain that most Germans and those of German descent are Christians. Probably easy enough to google to be sure, but fuckit

Posted by Wynter
Fairly certain that most Germans and those of German descent are Christians. Probably easy enough to google to be sure, but fuckit

German Americans

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Posted by geminicandle

Zimmerman is German last name and most Germans in USA are Jewish.

lol ... what a dumb fuck

egg on your face huh?

The Gem? Which face?

nah P angel

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Because of the "most Germans in USA are Jewish" statement? I'm pretty sure that's incorrect

Mmmm. 🙂

Posted by totem

No, thank you. I understand. I've read enough. Too long. That 911 photo was enough for me. I just jumped in last night because of the verdict. You should change your avi tho, it's too much like DJ's. I keep mixing the two of you up. It's bizarre how trolls are allowed on this forum and people have long conversations with them. lol (DJ on this thread)

Another 'reaction' I see happening is people changing gun laws to prohibit gun ownership from citizens who assault police officers and beat women, or are under prescription drugs like Tamazepan that cause aggressiveness and hallucinations.

My avi's got seniority and not a just a random grab or attitude banner - I have
my reasons for choosing it. anyway...

Umm, to my knowledge, those laws been on the books for some time.
I am thinking of the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968.
Fact is, Zimmerman had not been convicted of any felony so as
to prevent him from possessing a firearm. A restraining order is not a
conviction of a felony. However, violating the instructions of that
restraining order "can" be grounds for a conviction.
So... for someone to say that Zimmerman should not have had a gun
because of a restraining order, are ignorant of the laws concerning
a restraining order.
Let's keep in mind that Zimmerman could have been a bona-fide police
officer. Not sure why he was denied, if he had applied.

see part 2

part 2

I think it is unfair that he has been demonized as severely as he has,
by the media, by the justice department, by the people.
Having been found NOT GUILTY by a Jury according to Constitutional law.
I question as to whether Zimmerman's Civil Rights have been violated,
not only by the State of Florida, the United States Government, and
all those who persist in casting the stones they have done.
I cite presumption of innocence ("innocent until proven guilty").
Zimmerman has NOT been convicted of any crime in the eyes of the law,
in the court of law. - IMHO, in accordance to what his accusers have
done to him, Zimmerman could sue every last one.
Imagine, just when you thought the law was on your side, that it would
automatically side with you, without regard to Zimmerman's side.
It doesn't work that way when the law is blind.

Laws are so incredibly complex that sometimes, something agonizingly simple
cannot be comprehended by the very people who wrote it, passed it, and
regarded it.

The blind leading the blind.

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Posted by Wynter

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Posted by geminicandle

Zimmerman is German last name and most Germans in USA are Jewish.

lol ... what a dumb fuck

egg on your face huh?

The Gem? Which face?

nah P angel

Because of the "most Germans in USA are Jewish" statement? I'm pretty sure that's incorrect

Most jews in the US are German is what she meant probably but its true.

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careful Sut, that sounds like anti-semitic hate speech and racial profiling.

^^^ that warning also applies to Wynter and geminicandle.

Posted by DonJohnson
lol as soon as anyone brings up Jews. it's automatically Anti-semitic.

you've been brainwashed too.

No, I haven't been brainwashed. I am speaking from the wisdom of
"What's good for the goose is good for the gander" and "two wrongs don't make a right".

It's a fair warning.
IF people expect to be treated a certain way by others, then they have to know that they must
treat others accordingly. The wisdom "do unto others as you would have others do unto you."
or
"IF you've always wanted to be treated like trash, then treat others like trash.
Sooner or later, you will get what you've always wanted."

No game can be played without a set of rules - each opponent have to respect the rules
equally. IF they do not, the game is not worth playing.

refer to my previous comment to totem(?) part 1 and 2.

Posted by MrFirebird
^^^ that warning also applies to Wynter and geminicandle.

My pointing out gemfiregirl's incorrect statement is certainly not "anti-semitic hate speech and racial profiling" so you can stuff your warning up your ass.

Posted by Wynter

Posted by MrFirebird
^^^ that warning also applies to Wynter and geminicandle.

My pointing out gemfiregirl's incorrect statement is certainly not "anti-semitic hate speech and racial profiling" so you can stuff your warning up your ass.

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No, I will stuff it up your ass. The warning not only applies to gem, you and sut, but everyone else,
myself included. Refer to my latest comments to totem and DJ.

Now... getting back to the issue of racial profiling:

IF Zimmerman has been aquitted of all charges, I am interested to see
how the DOJ will bring charges alleged by the NAACP.

Posted by Wynter

Posted by MrFirebird
^^^ that warning also applies to Wynter and geminicandle.

My pointing out gemfiregirl's incorrect statement is certainly not "anti-semitic hate speech and racial profiling" so you can stuff your warning up your ass.

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This literally made me laugh out loud!!!

Her name is not Gemfiregirl....


This retro..... Man...

Lol.

Can the Martin family sue Zimmerman for Wrongful Death? Yes, I they can.
BUT I find it difficult to see how it could be successful suit on account that he
had been aquitted, BUT.... A CIVIL trial is entirely different from a CRIMINAL trial.

You can bet Zimmerman will probably be required to give account as to the why's of
Trayvon's death. So.... that's DEFINITELY going to be a development that will be
watched.
No doubt about it.

Posted by MrFirebird
Can the Martin family sue Zimmerman for Wrongful Death? Yes, I they can.
BUT I find it difficult to see how it could be successful suit on account that he
had been aquitted, BUT.... A CIVIL trial is entirely different from a CRIMINAL trial.

You can bet Zimmerman will probably be required to give account as to the why's of
Trayvon's death. So.... that's DEFINITELY going to be a development that will be
watched.
No doubt about it.

Nicole Brown Simpson's family sued OJ in a civil trial after he was acquitted and won.

Posted by natural25
Her name is not Gemfiregirl....


This retro..... Man...

Lol.

That was one of her previous nicks. 😛

Old habits die hard, I guess 🙂

Posted by Wynter

Posted by natural25
Her name is not Gemfiregirl....


This retro..... Man...

Lol.

That was one of her previous nicks. 😛

Old habits die hard, I guess 🙂

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Oh! LMAO!

I dont know why that made me laugh so hard. Not about Gem's name, but you telling dude to stick it up his ass.

SMH.

I must be sleepy.

Posted by natural25

Posted by MrFirebird
Can the Martin family sue Zimmerman for Wrongful Death? Yes, I they can.
BUT I find it difficult to see how it could be successful suit on account that he
had been aquitted, BUT.... A CIVIL trial is entirely different from a CRIMINAL trial.

You can bet Zimmerman will probably be required to give account as to the why's of
Trayvon's death. So.... that's DEFINITELY going to be a development that will be
watched.
No doubt about it.

Nicole Brown Simpson's family sued OJ in a civil trial after he was acquitted and won.

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That's right, and the reason why is because in the minds of that Jury, the evidence was stacked against OJ.

In this case, the prosecution could not convince the jury that Zimmerman was guilty.
The Martin v. Zimmerman Civil trial will definitely be something I truly believe everyone
following this case, will watch. Because the rules concerning the admissibility of are different
between Criminal and Civil law, we may see a LOT more evidence for and against George Zimmerman.

There is another case regarding Racial Profiling that appears to be mounting against Zimmerman.
That case is being spearheaded by the NAACP. The Justice Dept. is investigating it. - a couple of pages back in this thread and much further back in this same thread I was taking note of it.

Anyway, it will all be interesting to watch.

Posted by DonJohnson
White Man Beaten For Trayvon

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/252591/81/Matthew-Owens-man-beaten-by-angry-mob-in-critical-condition----Now-thats-justice-for-Trayvon

Dont get started.

Clearly, anyone with GOOD sense will agree that is terrible. Absolutely terrible. It is inexcusable. No one should be harassed, or injured for ANY reason. Period.

At the same time, yesterday and days prior, you had members scared to go outside because the world was going to blow up like "I AM Legend". And that's what you do. You like to rile people up and create mayhem. Hence, you being tagged as a troll.

Do I care about what people call you? No.

Do you rile me up? No

Do I give credence to what you say? No

I'm just stating the way it is. Now, I am going to go back to my peaceful and pleasant conversations. Enjoy your night sir.

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Posted by natural25

Posted by MrFirebird
Can the Martin family sue Zimmerman for Wrongful Death? Yes, I they can.
BUT I find it difficult to see how it could be successful suit on account that he
had been aquitted, BUT.... A CIVIL trial is entirely different from a CRIMINAL trial.

You can bet Zimmerman will probably be required to give account as to the why's of
Trayvon's death. So.... that's DEFINITELY going to be a development that will be
watched.
No doubt about it.

Nicole Brown Simpson's family sued OJ in a civil trial after he was acquitted and won.

That's right, and the reason why is because in the minds of that Jury, the evidence was stacked against OJ.

In this case, the prosecution could not convince the jury that Zimmerman was guilty.
The Martin v. Zimmerman Civil trial will definitely be something I truly believe everyone
following this case, will watch. Because the rules concerning the admissibility of are different
between Criminal and Civil law, we may see a LOT more evidence for and against George Zimmerman.

There is another case regarding Racial Profiling that appears to be mounting against Zimmerman.
That case is being spearheaded by the NAACP. The Justice Dept. is investigating it. - a couple of pages back in this thread and much further back in this same thread I was taking note of it.

Anyway, it will all be interesting to watch.

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It will be.

I am not familiar enough with civil trials to formulate an opinion either way. I am going to do some digging around and see what I find this week.

Oh.... there IS another problem. Zimmerman has a lot in his favor going for him. -
the evidence, eyewitness and expert testimony are all there for what I suspect will be a "Wrongful Death" Civil trial consumption.
Another thing that will no doubt come into play IS the backgrounds of both Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

That's speaking in strict reference to a legal contest between Martin v. Zimmerman.
when and how that trial takes place may be decided with consideration to Federal and State involvement.

Benjamin Kruidbos and Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee may have grounds to sue the government as well, and may be called to testify in BOTH a Federal case and the Martin v. Zimmerman case.

Let's not forget the obvious politically driven challenge of the "stand your ground" law - that will
no doubt be an upcoming national discussion.
The gun rights activists, no doubt will be monitoring that issue.

This tragic incident has HUGE significance on a national level.

Posted by ellessque

Posted by DonJohnson
White Man Beaten For Trayvon

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/252591/81/Matthew-Owens-man-beaten-by-angry-mob-in-critical-condition----Now-thats-justice-for-Trayvon

that was over a year ago and the media spun it as a Trayvon retaliation....but it ended up being a beef between neighbors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/arrest-in-matthew-owens-beating_n_1459094.html<BR>
STOP SPINNING.

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:-/

Posted by natural25

Posted by MrFirebird

Posted by natural25

Posted by MrFirebird
Can the Martin family sue Zimmerman for Wrongful Death? Yes, I they can.
BUT I find it difficult to see how it could be successful suit on account that he
had been aquitted, BUT.... A CIVIL trial is entirely different from a CRIMINAL trial.

You can bet Zimmerman will probably be required to give account as to the why's of
Trayvon's death. So.... that's DEFINITELY going to be a development that will be
watched.
No doubt about it.

Nicole Brown Simpson's family sued OJ in a civil trial after he was acquitted and won.

That's right, and the reason why is because in the minds of that Jury, the evidence was stacked against OJ.

In this case, the prosecution could not convince the jury that Zimmerman was guilty.
The Martin v. Zimmerman Civil trial will definitely be something I truly believe everyone
following this case, will watch. Because the rules concerning the admissibility of are different
between Criminal and Civil law, we may see a LOT more evidence for and against George Zimmerman.

There is another case regarding Racial Profiling that appears to be mounting against Zimmerman.
That case is being spearheaded by the NAACP. The Justice Dept. is investigating it. - a couple of pages back in this thread and much further back in this same thread I was taking note of it.

Anyway, it will all be interesting to watch.

It will be.

I am not familiar enough with civil trials to formulate an opinion either way. I am going to do some digging around and see what I find this week.

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I, myself was involved in a civil suit. the nature of the suit was traffic accident related. I won.
It took two years before the suit was brought to trial. - that is due to the backlog of the
court's many other cases. - I was sued for 8 million dollars. a kid ran a stop sign right in front
of me, at an intersection wherein one street was an freeway onramp and I didn't have a stop sign.
Anyway, that accident almost killed the kid, scene investigators told me it looked like the kid might
be DOA. - anyway..

damn stray mouse! (accidentally hit the post message button)

The accident was a "broadside" type. The front bumper on the left frame rail of my pickup
hit his small Pontiac Fiero about where the rear door jamb is - that car is a rear engine type like a Porsche - and that is a SERIOUS hard point. The car had spun, my truck came to rest.
When I got out of my pick-up, I walked over and saw the look on this kid's face.
He suffered a nasty laceration on the left side of his head. it looked like his brain was
squeezed out but I think it was exposed bone.
Anyway, very nasty.

He was 17, had a restricted license, he wasn't wearing a seatbelt, no auto insurance, and how
he got into that mess was because he didn't wait until it was safe to pass.
He did what they hat they call a "California stop" or a "rolling stop" and a "jackrabbit start"
or "hard acceleration", "AND THERE I WAS!!!!" as the old saying goes ...........

Many kids that age, are wreckless. A lot of adrenaline, not a lot of hard discipline and respect.

I, being a retired Commercial Truck Driver (local, regional cross country) and a Grandfather...
cough... have around the block. Seen a lot, forgotten a lot.

Posted by MrFirebird
damn stray mouse! (accidentally hit the post message button)

The accident was a "broadside" type. The front bumper on the left frame rail of my pickup
hit his small Pontiac Fiero about where the rear door jamb is - that car is a rear engine type like a Porsche - and that is a SERIOUS hard point. The car had spun, my truck came to rest.
When I got out of my pick-up, I walked over and saw the look on this kid's face.
He suffered a nasty laceration on the left side of his head. it looked like his brain was
squeezed out but I think it was exposed bone.
Anyway, very nasty.

He was 17, had a restricted license, he wasn't wearing a seatbelt, no auto insurance, and how
he got into that mess was because he didn't wait until it was safe to pass.
He did what they hat they call a "California stop" or a "rolling stop" and a "jackrabbit start"
or "hard acceleration", "AND THERE I WAS!!!!" as the old saying goes ...........

Many kids that age, are wreckless. A lot of adrenaline, not a lot of hard discipline and respect.

I, being a retired Commercial Truck Driver (local, regional cross country) and a Grandfather...
cough... have around the block. Seen a lot, forgotten a lot.

Wow! Im sure you are happy that is all behind you now....

You're a retired truck driver?

My husband is a trucker, also 🙂

I seriously thought you were around 35 to 40ish ....

Cont from above:
I was just enroute to work.
For my profession, I knew what driving was all about, and I was legally grilled to a crisp.
That's how civil trials are.
You see.... Truck Drivers are the "worthless scum" of the earth, non-human beasts, at best, if not souless machines, at worst.
that's what I and so many thousands of other was/are made to feel like:
If you counted acts of profiling, you wouldn't believe all the things the USDOT, States, shippers, consignees, motoring public do to the truck driver. the very ones that keep America turnin'.
the number of complaints and grievances ain't got nothing on truck drivers when it comes to profiling.
The way we are treated you'd think we had no civil rights.

With that in mind, I think if everyone, regardless race, gender, sexual orientation, abilities and disabilities, religion or lack thereof, education or lack thereof, veteran or non-veteran status, law enforcement or not, political party, family or no family, friends or no friends, drove an 18 wheeler a million miles, cross country through ALL the BULLSHIT a trucker sees, they just "MIGHT" forsake whatever
perspective they have, see life for what it is, put away their differences, and come away with a different point of view.

So what is life?
From the rockin' of the cradle to the rollin' of the hearse.
It's A Journey.
Some have to walk, some ride a horse, some take the train, some take the plane. Some die young, some die old, and some don't get a chance at all.

But then again, what does a souless machine know??

Posted by P-Angel
You're a retired truck driver?

My husband is a trucker, also 🙂

I seriously thought you were around 35 to 40ish ....

Forced early retirement, P.
I suffer from a heart condition, diabetes among other physical problems.
I wonder.... from time to time. "How much more time, I have?"
My memory fades, comes and goes.
I was one of those hard drivers along the "Bullhauler" types who could
fix his rig as well as drive it into the ground.
I had a million+ miles under my belt by the time I had to let go of my CDL.
I knew my heart could stop at any time. So, for safety's sake, I didn't waste
my time renewing my DOT physical, and CDL. My own heart already told me, it's over.
I had driven so hard, I drove myself into the ground.

PS,
P,

I am the Father of two girls 24 and soon to be 23, and the Grandfather
of a soon-to-be 5 yo Grandson.