Is there a solution to every problem?

Meaning that when you're an adult and deal with adult people with acceptable level of realism who are also are sensible and spiritual, but are on different sides...is there a possibility that there is a solution which would be acceptable to all?

It's hard to express my thoughts, and I wouldn't go into details...

Actually, since it is said that there is a solution to every problem, I wonder if there is a perfect solution (everyone happy)?

What is 'perfect'? Is THAT a thing?

There is definitely a solution to every problem...usually multiple, depending on variables n whatnot...different perspectives, beliefs, etc.

Everyone see things from their own unique perspective. Who is to be the judge and jury of a solution, of perfection, what is right and wrong?

Posted by nanobot

I think there's a solution to every problem. Often times a "perfect" solution is not possible though. That's why people choose to go to war

Thank you. I also think that perfect solution is rarely possible. But I always try to het to the bottom of things and hope that it is possible.

The reason I asked this is because the people in question are understanding, normal, and with lots of goodness in themselves. Still, the problem remains unsolved. With war thing, there's a power and ego and interests involved, that's why I think it wouldn't be a valid comparison in this case.

But, maybe, there is something that is also present in the war (the involvement of too many people and interests on the side), that cloud or influence the decision of the "main deciders".

Thank you once again.

Posted by Antiphates

Is there a solution to everything? Yes.

Is that solution acceptable to all? Not so much.

Depends on your definition of perfect. For me that would be the concept of pareto-efficiency, which is defined as an allocation of goods where there can be no increase in pleasure/benefit for everyone without decreasing someone else pleasure/benefit.

Said pareto-efficiency in economics:

Thank you for a thorough explanation. That is exactly what I think, but still wonder if "human" aspects exceed or are able to influence and change the mathematical logic.

I sometimes equal the appearance of some unexpected "human" reactions with some Godlike impulses that get awaken in us, and change the course of things in "perfect" direction. I know it could sound wrong because the life often proves the opposite, but that notion is always somehow present in myself.

It's actually the Deus ex Machina concept, which could be interpreted as a kind of miracle, to which I always leave a tiny space of possibility when thinking about solving a problem.

So, maybe that could be the only right question in this, sudden intervention from nowhere that makes the solution wholly acceptable to all.

(Idealistic moon in Pisces speaking...)

Posted by Phantom_Limbo

No. The human condition is a problem. lol

Lol, you summed it up nicely and it's usually the deepest truth. In general.

The reason why I asked is because after all the human conditions are "resolved" and "agreed", the problem still remains.

But then again, it could be easily that they aren't, and that the people in question just say that they are. But I know the people, and they wouldn't lie to me. But maybe they lie to themselves, hence to me too.

I don't know. We'll see.

Thank you for answer.

Posted by CuddleBug88

What is 'perfect'? Is THAT a thing?

There is definitely a solution to every problem...usually multiple, depending on variables n whatnot...different perspectives, beliefs, etc.

Thanks for your answer.

I'm sorry, English is not my 1st language, so I use the most understandable term for what I wanted to say.

What I meant is a solution acceptable to all in every sense.

Posted by tiziani

Depends what we mean by acceptable and the group of adult people.

The answer is probably yes as far as "acceptable" goes, but there's a ton to show how meeting the needs of the group won't make the individuals of the group happy even if they can go along with it.

I think one of the easiest problems I read to understand people is Condorcet paradox. There have been solutions to avoid that paradox, but sure enough they pose their own set of problems too.

Thank you for your answer.

I didn't hear for Condorcet paradox and will study it.

Thank you for a suggestion, it means a lot

Posted by thinktankPisces

I remember back then theres a group discussion, everyone give their opinion.

Some of the opinion i agree and some i disagree and i answer it professionally and logically, not trying to win but give them a logical answer why i disagree with it.

Luckly people on my group are reasonable open mind and smart and understand what im saying is make sense. So too in that dicussion i saw a better idea better opinion to mine so i cast aside my idea to follow the best idea.

So in the end in a quite short time than other group everyone in my team come to the perfect solution to the problem and all are satisfied.

While other group, till the end they still cant found the perfect solution.

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I think theres quite problem in other group

1. Other group have people with huge ego, their ego blind them to see whats wrong in them and to acknowledge other was right.

2. Other group have hard headed people who want to win(want their idea to be accepted no matter what) even if they must burn to the ground the group in the process if they did not win.

3. Lack of intelligence to realize their idea are not logical while other are more logical, so the person think their idea are the best idea.

4. Lack of people who had an open mind.

5. Emotion involved which ruin professionalism. Get triggered, angry when someone disagree.

===

So i think a possibility to have a perfect solution are depend on all people in the group,

1. Everyone need a humble personality, zero ego.

2. Best result for the group oriented not just want to win debate mentality.

3. Did not involve emotion, be professional.

4. Have a quite good intelligence to understand whats logical or not logical, whats good or not good, whats good or whats better.

5. Have an open mind to hear and try to understand other opinion.

Otherwise it will never meet a those perfect solution.

Thank you for taking time to help with my question. I read your message thoroughly.

People involved are like people from your group. The only difference, which is, ironically, the most important one, is that, the solution is still not there.

There are no "lower" impulses and characteristics that are present in the 2nd group you described.

Or, maybe I want to trust that, and people in question are subconsciously repressing some of the characteristics you mentioned are present in the 2nd group; maybe they are hiding themfrom themselves which affects the solution and leaves it unresolved.

There are so many things to think about, but I hope in that way the solution (the perfect one) will come.

Thank you once again.

Posted by GC07

Is their a solution to every problem?

A:Yes

Is there a possibility that there is a solution which would be acceptable to all?

A:There’s no way of pleasing absolutely everyone.

Thank you.

Since we all agree there's a solution to every problem, I am trying to find the solution for the problem under your 2nd A 🙂

Thanks once again.

Thank you all for taking your time to answer, I appreciate it a lot.

You gave me a food for thought, I will try to digest eveything you said, wish me luck with the conclusion 🙂

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Posted by FeelingGemini

Posted by GC07

Is their a solution to every problem?

A:Yes

Is there a possibility that there is a solution which would be acceptable to all?

A:There’s no way of pleasing absolutely everyone.

Thank you.

Since we all agree there's a solution to every problem, I am trying to find the solution for the problem under your 2nd A 🙂

Thanks once again.

What is the problem?

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It's too long and just a tiny bit too personal.

I'd appreciate if you let me not go into details.

I needed some general perspectives which I could (if possible) apply to an individual case.

Your answer was very valid, and, in general, I think the same as you do. I just have to try to go a bit further in this case, and find a Holy Grail of or for the problem.

Thanks for your understanding.

Posted by Foxy777

https://vimeo.com/23062496

Interesting film on game theory.

Thank you so much for this. I just watched the first few moments of the clip, and I liked it. Have to go to work now, so will watch it later.

Thanks 🙂

Yes. You can find the answer both in ancient writings and modern (scientific even). Back in the old days they called it "the apocalypse (tho, that was written in primitive times - so it's mixed with all kinds of bullshit - like the judgement day and other stupid shit like that). Modern writings call it "the end of the world" - as in...



You can't be unhappy - if you're not around to complain...

Posted by FeelingGemini

Posted by Foxy777

https://vimeo.com/23062496

Interesting film on game theory.

Thank you so much for this. I just watched the first few moments of the clip, and I liked it. Have to go to work now, so will watch it later.

Thanks 🙂

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Lol good old times...

I got interested in the first few moments, but after that everything went downwards lol

Luckily, the problem has a very little to do with the problem in the video and also luckily, I don't see any resemblance with the lady.

But you did make me watch it till the end 🙂

And I must say that it reminded me how the timing is one of the crucial things to put all the pieces together perfectly.

So, thanks 🙂

Posted by PuzzlePieces

Everyone see things from their own unique perspective. Who is to be the judge and jury of a solution, of perfection, what is right and wrong?

True.

But I'm looking for mine, so hence the question. I know I can't ever know what is acceptable for others in its deepest sense, but I'm trying, when I am involved.

It's all in a good will.

Thank you for answering, it all helps.

Posted by Gobby

*chops you arms off*

.................................. Well?

Lol you're not helping, Gobby.

You know I value your words, your reflections on Virgos still linger at the back of my head.

Your line got interpreted in so many ways in my head, you have forgotten I'm a Gemini.

Simple doors as in simple, not simple doors as in simple, and then a million other doors awaiting behind...

Posted by neves

Yes. You can find the answer both in ancient writings and modern (scientific even). Back in the old days they called it "the apocalypse (tho, that was written in primitive times - so it's mixed with all kinds of bullshit - like the judgement day and other stupid shit like that). Modern writings call it "the end of the world" - as in...

You can't be unhappy - if you're not around to complain...

Thanks for taking an individual problem to some higher level. It helps to keep the perspective 🙂

I have what you posted always at the back of my head.

I'm just trying to put the pieces of my own puzzle together. Don't know if it's possible, but always believe it is, that's why the question.

Thanks for answering

I will answer later, life is busy. Thanks again everyone for your words, I really appreciate you taking time to think and answer.

😘

Posted by FeelingGemini

Posted by PuzzlePieces

Everyone see things from their own unique perspective. Who is to be the judge and jury of a solution, of perfection, what is right and wrong?

True.

But I'm looking for mine, so hence the question. I know I can't ever know what is acceptable for others in its deepest sense, but I'm trying, when I am involved.

It's all in a good will.

Thank you for answering, it all helps.

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There are always solutions. We find our own way, we learn to be understanding of others perspective. Everyone has a choice & we either find a solution together or for ourselves.

Posted by FeelingGemini

Meaning that when you're an adult and deal with adult people with acceptable level of realism who are also are sensible and spiritual, but are on different sides...is there a possibility that there is a solution which would be acceptable to all?

It's hard to express my thoughts, and I wouldn't go into details...

Actually, since it is said that there is a solution to every problem, I wonder if there is a perfect solution (everyone happy)?

That can work for most part - if you stick to common grounds and try to accept or avoid each-other's differences (agree to disagree). Live and let live.

For example... lets say you're a Christian and the other party is a Buddhist. Both of you might feel like your religious views are the right path, so... approaching this subject - is bound to be a source of conflict. Since you're not accepting his religious views (which he assumed as a part of his identity) - more like attempting to convert him (try to make him see things your way). Which, sometimes can feel like an attack on one's beliefs. If this a big thing for you two (one's religious views) - and you simply can't help it (find it hard to accept), then i guess it's for the best to keep the distance.

That was just a random example - cause obviously i don't know what this is about (you were to vague with the actual details), but - same answer might apply to your given context. It's also worth adding - that some people like to fight (with each-other for what they believe in). So hey... stick to people with whom you have some core common grounds (the kind of people you can accept for who they are and vice-versa).

Posted by thinktankPisces

Posted by FeelingGemini

Posted by thinktankPisces

I remember back then theres a group discussion, everyone give their opinion.

Some of the opinion i agree and some i disagree and i answer it professionally and logically, not trying to win but give them a logical answer why i disagree with it.

Luckly people on my group are reasonable open mind and smart and understand what im saying is make sense. So too in that dicussion i saw a better idea better opinion to mine so i cast aside my idea to follow the best idea.

So in the end in a quite short time than other group everyone in my team come to the perfect solution to the problem and all are satisfied.

While other group, till the end they still cant found the perfect solution.

===

I think theres quite problem in other group

1. Other group have people with huge ego, their ego blind them to see whats wrong in them and to acknowledge other was right.

2. Other group have hard headed people who want to win(want their idea to be accepted no matter what) even if they must burn to the ground the group in the process if they did not win.

3. Lack of intelligence to realize their idea are not logical while other are more logical, so the person think their idea are the best idea.

4. Lack of people who had an open mind.

5. Emotion involved which ruin professionalism. Get triggered, angry when someone disagree.

===

So i think a possibility to have a perfect solution are depend on all people in the group,

1. Everyone need a humble personality, zero ego.

2. Best result for the group oriented not just want to win debate mentality.

3. Did not involve emotion, be professional.

4. Have a quite good intelligence to understand whats logical or not logical, whats good or not good, whats good or whats better.

5. Have an open mind to hear and try to understand other opinion.

Otherwise it will never meet a those perfect solution.

Thank you for taking time to help with my question. I read your message thoroughly.

People involved are like people from your group. The only difference, which is, ironically, the most important one, is that, the solution is still not there.

There are no "lower" impulses and characteristics that are present in the 2nd group you described.

Or, maybe I want to trust that, and people in question are subconsciously repressing some of the characteristics you mentioned are present in the 2nd group; maybe they are hiding them from themselves which affects the solution and leaves it unresolved.

There are so many things to think about, but I hope in that way the solution (the perfect one) will come.

Thank you once again.

"People involved are like people from your group. The only difference, which is, ironically, the most important one, is that, the solution is still not there."

I dont think its possible. If people involved are like my group then why is there no solution ?

The reason must be because of 1-5 problem i mentioned.

'There are no "lower" impulses and characteristics that are present in the 2nd group you described.'

Then why do you think theres no solution ? seriously, im logically seriously curious.

If the reason is not what i mentioned above then what else would be the reason ? why theres no solution ?

Is it because no one want to accept other opinion as the best answer ? is it because they think their opinion are the best answer ? then it mean it is like i said, it is 1-5 problem i mentioned, lack of open mind or win debate mentality, ego, not quite good intelligence to understand whats logical or not logical, whats good or not good, whats good or whats better.

If not then, tell me ? what else would be the reason ?

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Thanks for replying.

When I said lower impulses I was implying to huge egos, strong desire to win, etc...English is not my first language so I maybe didn't express myself in the right way, but I consider those things as some "lower" human characteristics and said that those things are not present in the question.

If the answer was purely logical, I guess the problem in question would have been solved easily. But it's not.

I actually looked for a psychology forum (couldn't find it), and maybe metaphysical was better forum for this question, bit I posted it here, thinking it is the best forum to discuss it.

I said I'd prefer not to go into details, and I was looking for some broader, more philosophical answer, that, according to people's experiences, would give me the clue to solving my own problem.

I see that you want to help, and you did with your answer, so I'm thankful for that.

Sorry I can't provide the information you wanted, trust me, it wouldn't help.

Thank you once again for your answer, and thanks for understanding.

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Posted by FeelingGemini

Posted by Phantom_Limbo

No. The human condition is a problem. lol

Lol, you summed it up nicely and it's usually the deepest truth. In general.

The reason why I asked is because after all the human conditions are "resolved" and "agreed", the problem still remains.

But then again, it could be easily that they aren't, and that the people in question just say that they are. But I know the people, and they wouldn't lie to me. But maybe they lie to themselves, hence to me too.

I don't know. We'll see.

Thank you for answer.

You're welcome. I'm pretty much okay with the idea that we can't solve everything but we need to keep trying anyway. Whether or not I'm okay with that has turned out to be the easiest way for me to gauge whether or not I'm depressed.

I don't quite follow what you're saying about people lying to themselves.

Edit: Never mind, I see you have a specific question that you're preferring not to share at the moment.

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Thank you.

I didn't see your answer amongst the others yesterday, but when I read it today, I was like That!. Trying, I think trying is the answer. I always think that if you try good enough and long enough and are knowledgable, persistent and good in what your trying and have always the best intentions on your mind, the pieces of the puzzle will fall together perfectly.

Even when it looks like that it's not possible.

And even if you fail, you just have to keep on trying.

Something like the Greater Mathematics will say Oh, God, this one has really deserved this, let's end it once and for all and give her the perfect formula 🙂

As for the lying part, I was implying on people in question being unaware of their own lower impulses, or having influences from aside, that makes them look and react as if the problem in their head is resolved, but since it is not, it might not be the case.

I might have not explained myself good, but don't worry lol. I'm just thinking aloud.

Your answer was more than helpful, because from the beginning I have in my head the notion that trying is the answer.

We'll see.

And thank you for respecting my need to be private about the matter, I really appreciate that.

Posted by Alexina

Posted by FeelingGemini

Meaning that when you're an adult and deal with adult people with acceptable level of realism who are also are sensible and spiritual, but are on different sides...is there a possibility that there is a solution which would be acceptable to all?

It's hard to express my thoughts, and I wouldn't go into details...

Actually, since it is said that there is a solution to every problem, I wonder if there is a perfect solution (everyone happy)?

I doubt there's a solution for every problem. Most have, some don't... That's just life... I mean I want to live in a utopic world where everything can be solved... however in reality, that's just not possible...

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I tend to agree with you, in general.

But I'm trying to see if there are some exceptions to the rule 🙂

Or that maybe we are to easy on giving up when we think that the problem is unsolvable, and that's why the rule seems to be on the "negative" side, when in reality it is just us giving not enough devotion to go till the end where there is a Holy Grail.

Sorry to sound a bit metaphysical, I just try to look at the problems from all sides.

Thank you for your answer.

Posted by Notmyrealname

I really am curious what your real question is, this is too general and vague to be of much help to you surely? Is there anything more specific you can add without getting too personal for you? Like is it about work, or relationships, or legal systems or...

But to answer your vagueness with a vague answer... all you can do is try, and do what feels right to you 😊

It is about all you mentioned and more.

I would appreciate not to go further into tge matter, I was just looking for the answer if people thought whether the perfect solution is possible for every problem.

I was looking for some philosophical answer supported by some experiences from real life, without sharing my details, but maybe to some it looks impossible.

And I understand that.

Maybe I have some strange logic in connecting the things, but all your questions have helped me immensely. I am trying to digest all.

Thanks once again.

Posted by Gobby

Posted by FeelingGemini

Posted by Gobby

*chops your arms off*

.................................. Well?

Lol you're not helping, Gobby.

You know I value your words, your reflections on Virgos still linger at the back of my head.

Your line got interpreted in so many ways in my head, you have forgotten I'm a Gemini.

Simple doors as in simple, not simple doors as in simple, and then a million other doors awaiting behind...

So, now it's all my fault, is it? 😛

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Never.

I love Capricorns, so I'm always biased towards you 🙂

Thank you all. Maybe you don't need a reply from me, but I feel the need to answer you out of the appreciation for taking your time to help me.

I will write later.

Thanks, once again.

Posted by CapNCrunch

I believe there is a solution for every problem.

Sometimes solutions create their own set of new problems though.

True this. Especially the last sentence. That's also what's bothering me, which could be actually my biggest problem in general. Not completing the most important part (the present), or even in trying to complete the problems in present, thinking too much about problems that could create themselves in future. Of course, taking all things in consideration and thinking about everything is important, but it can cloud the view on present and paralyze the right answers and moves.

Thank you for reminding me of this aspect of problem solving. It is appreciated.

Posted by PuzzlePieces

Posted by FeelingGemini

Posted by PuzzlePieces

Everyone see things from their own unique perspective. Who is to be the judge and jury of a solution, of perfection, what is right and wrong?

True.

But I'm looking for mine, so hence the question. I know I can't ever know what is acceptable for others in its deepest sense, but I'm trying, when I am involved.

It's all in a good will.

Thank you for answering, it all helps.

There are always solutions. We find our own way, we learn to be understanding of others perspective. Everyone has a choice & we either find a solution together or for ourselves.

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Thank you.

I wish I was a bit less serious in trying to undestand others and make everything right, in general...it usually has completely opposite effect.

We are changeable, so are the obstacles or the paths that lead to a solution.

I always had a problem with that important part when trying to understand how things work.

Thanks again for replying. I appreciate it.

No i dont think so

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Posted by PuzzlePieces

Posted by FeelingGemini

Posted by PuzzlePieces

Everyone see things from their own unique perspective. Who is to be the judge and jury of a solution, of perfection, what is right and wrong?

True.

But I'm looking for mine, so hence the question. I know I can't ever know what is acceptable for others in its deepest sense, but I'm trying, when I am involved.

It's all in a good will.

Thank you for answering, it all helps.

There are always solutions. We find our own way, we learn to be understanding of others perspective. Everyone has a choice & we either find a solution together or for ourselves.

Thank you.

I wish I was a bit less serious in trying to undestand others and make everything right, in general...it usually has completely opposite effect.

We are changeable, so are the obstacles or the paths that lead to a solution.

I always had a problem with that important part when trying to understand how things work.

Thanks again for replying. I appreciate it.

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Well i’m a Sag but I am dominant Cap. I think the Cap helps with the journey. But the way I see it is walking along a path, one step at a time. You take a step, and you see what the view looks like .. the more steps you take the more clear the solutions, direction etc is. It is really hard to see what the answers are, so we have to have faith in our instincts but yet be aware when changes may be needed. It’s kind of a guiding the direction. I recently have changed mine after 4 years of being sure of another. You know I never know the solutions & I gave up on having plans in stone.. cause they never work out anyway. Flexibility isn’t so bad 😉

Posted by neves

Posted by FeelingGemini

Meaning that when you're an adult and deal with adult people with acceptable level of realism who are also are sensible and spiritual, but are on different sides...is there a possibility that there is a solution which would be acceptable to all?

It's hard to express my thoughts, and I wouldn't go into details...

Actually, since it is said that there is a solution to every problem, I wonder if there is a perfect solution (everyone happy)?

That can work for most part - if you stick to common grounds and try to accept or avoid each-other's differences (agree to disagree). Live and let live.

For example... lets say you're a Christian and the other party is a Buddhist. Both of you might feel like your religious views are the right path, so... approaching this subject - is bound to be a source of conflict. Since you're not accepting his religious views (which he assumed as a part of his identity) - more like attempting to convert him (try to make him see things your way). Which, sometimes can feel like an attack on one's beliefs. If this a big thing for you two (one's religious views) - and you simply can't help it (find it hard to accept), then i guess it's for the best to keep the distance.

That was just a random example - cause obviously i don't know what this is about (you were to vague with the actual details), but - same answer might apply to your given context. It's also worth adding - that some people like to fight (with each-other for what they believe in). So hey... stick to people with whom you have some core common grounds (the kind of people you can accept for who they are and vice-versa).

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Thank you for your thorough answer, I really appreciate it.

Live and let live is my motto in life, unfortunately not everyone's is. I guess life would be much more fairer and normal if people could accept that everyone's different in perspective and outlook on life and that we should respect each other's differences. Unfortunately, even that Live and let live has its dark side (peadophilia, etc..) I know it should be put in the context of psychological abnormalities, etc...but you know what I mean.

So, even that notion has its flaws

Problem in the question is different. Everything is agreed, there's no people who want to fight, no huge egos or similar, still...no resolution.

Since I appreciate people respecting my wish to remain private about the actual problem, the nearest example of the situation would be the one I commented somewhere on this site, under different topic.

Imagine someone (the God) needs one answer and the only one answer is right. Or themathematics, 2+2=4, it can't be 5.

One person says Your views changed for 180 degrees (right answer), and the other says Your views changed for 360 degrees (also right), just from a different perspective. But only one answer is right. Do you know what I mean? Like you need to hand over one (right) result, and two people (or sides) are handing their own, different, but both are right. And they don't fight over it, accept it, but the life wants one answer.

I don't want to complicate the matter, it just looks like perfect answer is hard to find.

Thank you once again, for your time and helping me in the matter.

Posted by FeelingGemini

Posted by neves

Posted by FeelingGemini

Meaning that when you're an adult and deal with adult people with acceptable level of realism who are also are sensible and spiritual, but are on different sides...is there a possibility that there is a solution which would be acceptable to all?

It's hard to express my thoughts, and I wouldn't go into details...

Actually, since it is said that there is a solution to every problem, I wonder if there is a perfect solution (everyone happy)?

That can work for most part - if you stick to common grounds and try to accept or avoid each-other's differences (agree to disagree). Live and let live.

For example... lets say you're a Christian and the other party is a Buddhist. Both of you might feel like your religious views are the right path, so... approaching this subject - is bound to be a source of conflict. Since you're not accepting his religious views (which he assumed as a part of his identity) - more like attempting to convert him (try to make him see things your way). Which, sometimes can feel like an attack on one's beliefs. If this a big thing for you two (one's religious views) - and you simply can't help it (find it hard to accept), then i guess it's for the best to keep the distance.

That was just a random example - cause obviously i don't know what this is about (you were to vague with the actual details), but - same answer might apply to your given context. It's also worth adding - that some people like to fight (with each-other for what they believe in). So hey... stick to people with whom you have some core common grounds (the kind of people you can accept for who they are and vice-versa).

Thank you for your thorough answer, I really appreciate it.

Live and let live is my motto in life, unfortunately not everyone's is. I guess life would be much more fairer and normal if people could accept that everyone's different in perspective and outlook on life and that we should respect each other's differences. Unfortunately, even that Live and let live has its dark side (peadophilia, etc..) I know it should be put in the context of psychological abnormalities, etc...but you know what I mean.

So, even that notion has its flaws

Problem in the question is different. Everything is agreed, there's no people who want to fight, no huge egos or similar, still...no resolution.

Since I appreciate people respecting my wish to remain private about the actual problem, the nearest example of the situation would be the one I commented somewhere on this site, under different topic.

Imagine someone (the God) needs one answer and the only one answer is right. Or themathematics, 2+2=4, it can't be 5.

One person says Your views changed for 180 degrees (right answer), and the other says Your views changed for 360 degrees (also right), just from a different perspective. But only one answer is right. Do you know what I mean? Like you need to hand over one (right) result, and two people (or sides) are handing their own, different, but both are right. And they don't fight over it, accept it, but the life wants one answer.

I don't want to complicate the matter, it just looks like perfect answer is hard to find.

Thank you once again, for your time and helping me in the matter.

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That saying (live and let live) - is meant for people with common sense. I mean, your referral seemed to be about that type of people... "Meaning that when you're an adult and deal with adult people with acceptable level of realism who are also are sensible and spiritual, but are on different sides..." Not criminals of any kind. Even in a different context "live and let live" is not about "turning a blind eye" - more like "treat others as you want to be treated". A pedophile or other types of criminals (be it people with mental issues) - "don't let others live" - so it kinda goes against the saying. (:

Other than that - i guess it also depends how much it means for you or another "to be right". I mean, your (or his) subjective reality might be the same as the objective reality - yet, sometimes it's for the best to play pretend... to act like Santa Claus is real - simply because that makes the children happy. Even with this given example... if we're to take things quite literally - Santa Claus doesn't exist.... Tho, by accepting this reality - we sort of kill its spirit - which for some it's quite real and beneficial too (a day of peace - a day when you exchange gifts and gratitude). Even during times of war - some decided to stop the fight and make peace for that day - only to resume killing each-other the next. Anyway, as human history goes to teach us - even right answers change (what's right now - might be wrong tomorrow). Since that's the nature of this world (ever-changing). Sure, water might always be wet to humans - yet, if you got deeper even water is just energy.

Not to mention 2 + 2 is only 4 in a specific context. For example... 2 females + 2 males might equal 4, 5 or 40+. 2 lions + 2 zebra - might equal 2.5 (:

Also, and quite important.... happiness is an outcome. Not a given. It's a modern fairy tell as well. I mean, in the past and for thousands of years - the majority didn't know what it means to be spoiled and privileged. They didn't make happiness a goal. Which, as far as i can tell - is the natural way of living (and being part of this world). Happiness to this extreme - as some seem to expect it during our modern times - is more like a modern form of insanity. After all - happiness is the opposite of sorrow. You need sorrow as comparison - to know what it means to be happy (or something in the middle). If not "live and let others live" then why not "it is what it is". Even God can't question that. If you meant the almighty (biblical God) - cause that's basically what God means - how it translates... "I Am That i Am / I Am What I Am / I Am Who I Am."

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Meaning that when you're an adult and deal with adult people with acceptable level of realism who are also are sensible and spiritual, but are on different sides...is there a possibility that there is a solution which would be acceptable to all?

It's hard to express my thoughts, and I wouldn't go into details...

Actually, since it is said that there is a solution to every problem, I wonder if there is a perfect solution (everyone happy)?

I doubt there's a solution for every problem. Most have, some don't... That's just life... I mean I want to live in a utopic world where everything can be solved... however in reality, that's just not possible...

I tend to agree with you, in general.

But I'm trying to see if there are some exceptions to the rule 🙂

Or that maybe we are to easy on giving up when we think that the problem is unsolvable, and that's why the rule seems to be on the "negative" side, when in reality it is just us giving not enough devotion to go till the end where there is a Holy Grail.

Sorry to sound a bit metaphysical, I just try to look at the problems from all sides.

Thank you for your answer.

No problem...🙂

Like I said there are problems that are "mostly" solved... Regular ones that we encounter daily in our lives (e.g. how to earn more money, how to pass a college examination, etc)... Ordinary, simple problems in particular can be solved easily because they only affect you, me and a few others who share a similar, unified outlook in solving our predicament...

However, on the grander scheme of things, phenomena are much more difficult to work out on because problems on a grander scale are stuck in a vicious cycle and is met with greater resistance (from those that oppose the solution suggested) since it affects a larger portion of the populace...

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Thank you so much for your reply.

It is exactly this; I think like you, but I'm trying to understand can a problem that can be put in a range of being a part of the grand scheme of things (and a vicious circle of confusing influences, etc) be solved, or rather have a result that is achieved when solving a "simple" problem.

I am probably looking for some perfect answer that can be applied to everthing, some formula that works regardless of the size of the problem and influences involved.

Of course, I am aware of the great difference in comparing two situations that you presented, but I'm always searching 🙂

I hope I managed to explain myself at least a bit clear, though I know I might be looking for something impossible.

Thank you so much, once again.

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If someone is on an extreme end of a spectrum, the only chance is if you can manage to get them to loosen up and temper their beliefs. Temper their Ego.

Like if you're asking if there can be world peace among Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The answer is yes. But you'd for instance have to convince the extremists to see that their interpretation is /their interpretation/. In otherwords, that God's word or whatever isn't some book written by mortal men and that said books were simply the best interpretation people 2000 years ago could come up with.

In other words, whatever example you think of, you'd have to essentially get a person to step down from their ladder. But that's not as impossible as you think. Considering you're dealing with a person.

Thank you so much for your thoughts on this. I appreciate it.

You see, there are no huge egos presented in personalities that are involved, no problem like that; I started to wonder whether there is an Ego of the Universe that doesn't let the problem be solved.

Or maybe (as I stated earlier somewhere on this thread) that I'm oblivious to some subconscious influences in the people involved that prevent the result to be resolved on everyone's pleasure. There's always possibilty for that, though we all went through all possible talks, agreements, solutions, etc.

No one has a wish to stop anyone in their own actions, and everyone is actually quite helpful to each other.

That's why I started to think that the Universe has something "against" it, so that the irrational obstacles are created that keep the status quo.

Whatever it is, I agree that nothing is as impossible as we might think, though I know you meant it in a different way (as in dealing with the person).

Once again, thank you for your reply.

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No i dont think so

Lol, but not lol 🙂

Thank you so much for this. It is more helpful than you might think it is.

I sometimes wish I had straightforward answers, I'm guite sure my life would be much more "life" than "endless train of thoughts".

But maybe one day I'll arrive to that. Maybe that"s the "perfect" answer that I'm looking for.

Thank you.

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Everyone see things from their own unique perspective. Who is to be the judge and jury of a solution, of perfection, what is right and wrong?

True.

But I'm looking for mine, so hence the question. I know I can't ever know what is acceptable for others in its deepest sense, but I'm trying, when I am involved.

It's all in a good will.

Thank you for answering, it all helps.

There are always solutions. We find our own way, we learn to be understanding of others perspective. Everyone has a choice & we either find a solution together or for ourselves.

Thank you.

I wish I was a bit less serious in trying to undestand others and make everything right, in general...it usually has completely opposite effect.

We are changeable, so are the obstacles or the paths that lead to a solution.

I always had a problem with that important part when trying to understand how things work.

Thanks again for replying. I appreciate it.

Well i’m a Sag but I am dominant Cap. I think the Cap helps with the journey. But the way I see it is walking along a path, one step at a time. You take a step, and you see what the view looks like .. the more steps you take the more clear the solutions, direction etc is. It is really hard to see what the answers are, so we have to have faith in our instincts but yet be aware when changes may be needed. It’s kind of a guiding the direction. I recently have changed mine after 4 years of being sure of another. You know I never know the solutions & I gave up on having plans in stone.. cause they never work out anyway. Flexibility isn’t so bad 😉

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Thank you 🙂

I'm sure your Cap planets or influences help you a lot in being more clear and "directed" in walking the path, than your Sagittarius Sun would be able to provide you with.

I wish I had more earth energy to stabilize the "answers", as well as the questions..

Lately, I've been thinking how I can characterize myself as fixed water (when summing up the astrological facts of my chart). It is not easy, especially with my Gemini Sun in the middle. That one always reminds me that the situation like the one you explained, could happen (changing your mind after being sure of one "thing" for years).

Which, of course, complicates the situation even more.

But, that's life. I agree that taking one step at a time and believing in your instincts leads to the solution.

Honestly, regarding this question of mine, I feel like Del Boy from Only Fools and Horses, who, no matter the situation (which was always dire and not as easy as mine), always said; "One day, we're going to be millionaires!"

And he made it.

(Let us put aside the fact it was in a humouristic series lol)

It has nothing to do with the money in my case, but that's in short the way I see my situation.

Thank you so much, once again.

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Meaning that when you're an adult and deal with adult people with acceptable level of realism who are also are sensible and spiritual, but are on different sides...is there a possibility that there is a solution which would be acceptable to all?

It's hard to express my thoughts, and I wouldn't go into details...

Actually, since it is said that there is a solution to every problem, I wonder if there is a perfect solution (everyone happy)?

I doubt there's a solution for every problem. Most have, some don't... That's just life... I mean I want to live in a utopic world where everything can be solved... however in reality, that's just not possible...

I tend to agree with you, in general.

But I'm trying to see if there are some exceptions to the rule 🙂

Or that maybe we are to easy on giving up when we think that the problem is unsolvable, and that's why the rule seems to be on the "negative" side, when in reality it is just us giving not enough devotion to go till the end where there is a Holy Grail.

Sorry to sound a bit metaphysical, I just try to look at the problems from all sides.

Thank you for your answer.

No problem...🙂

Like I said there are problems that are "mostly" solved... Regular ones that we encounter daily in our lives (e.g. how to earn more money, how to pass a college examination, etc)... Ordinary, simple problems in particular can be solved easily because they only affect you, me and a few others who share a similar, unified outlook in solving our predicament...

However, on the grander scheme of things, phenomena are much more difficult to work out on because problems on a grander scale are stuck in a vicious cycle and is met with greater resistance (from those that oppose the solution suggested) since it affects a larger portion of the populace...

Thank you so much for your reply.

It is exactly this; I think like you, but I'm trying to understand can a problem that can be put in a range of being a part of the grand scheme of things (and a vicious circle of confusing influences, etc) be solved, or rather have a result that is achieved when solving a "simple" problem.

I am probably looking for some perfect answer that can be applied to everthing, some formula that works regardless of the size of the problem and influences involved.

Of course, I am aware of the great difference in comparing two situations that you presented, but I'm always searching 🙂

I hope I managed to explain myself at least a bit clear, though I know I might be looking for something impossible.

Thank you so much, once again.

You've answered your question when you've mentioned about "the result that is achieved AFTER solving a simpler problem"...

I guess when each one of us, solve our own, individual problems, it becomes a chain reaction that extends into solving a bigger, universal problem... The universal solution is a bit close to impossible, so I believe we can only work around the problems that are within our reach and extend the help to those around us so that they, in turn, can lend a hand to others too...

There is no perfect answer to your question as most solutions are result of trial and error... But there's no harm in trying to make our world a better place to live in... However, if you want change to happen, it must start from you as an individual, then going outward...

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Thank you.

English is not my first language, and I probably didn't explain myself well in one thing that I think you're mentioning here.

Instead of "when", I thought "like" or "in the same manner as" solving a simple problem.

I think you were reffering to that, if I'm wrong sorry.

Thank you once again, all your help is appreciated.

When question is vague- answer is impossible and NO there isn’t a perfect solution to EVERY problem.

But there is a solution to each one.

Asking such a broad question will produce wide spectrum of answers none of which will answer the question anyway...you might as well read Chinese cookie - same difference!

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No i dont think so

Lol, but not lol 🙂

Thank you so much for this. It is more helpful than you might think it is.

I sometimes wish I had straightforward answers, I'm guite sure my life would be much more "life" than "endless train of thoughts".

But maybe one day I'll arrive to that. Maybe that"s the "perfect" answer that I'm looking for.

Thank you.

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Haha you are welcome.

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Everyone see things from their own unique perspective. Who is to be the judge and jury of a solution, of perfection, what is right and wrong?

True.

But I'm looking for mine, so hence the question. I know I can't ever know what is acceptable for others in its deepest sense, but I'm trying, when I am involved.

It's all in a good will.

Thank you for answering, it all helps.

There are always solutions. We find our own way, we learn to be understanding of others perspective. Everyone has a choice & we either find a solution together or for ourselves.

Thank you.

I wish I was a bit less serious in trying to undestand others and make everything right, in general...it usually has completely opposite effect.

We are changeable, so are the obstacles or the paths that lead to a solution.

I always had a problem with that important part when trying to understand how things work.

Thanks again for replying. I appreciate it.

Well i’m a Sag but I am dominant Cap. I think the Cap helps with the journey. But the way I see it is walking along a path, one step at a time. You take a step, and you see what the view looks like .. the more steps you take the more clear the solutions, direction etc is. It is really hard to see what the answers are, so we have to have faith in our instincts but yet be aware when changes may be needed. It’s kind of a guiding the direction. I recently have changed mine after 4 years of being sure of another. You know I never know the solutions & I gave up on having plans in stone.. cause they never work out anyway. Flexibility isn’t so bad 😉

Thank you 🙂

I'm sure your Cap planets or influences help you a lot in being more clear and "directed" in walking the path, than your Sagittarius Sun would be able to provide you with.

I wish I had more earth energy to stabilize the "answers", as well as the questions..

Lately, I've been thinking how I can characterize myself as fixed water (when summing up the astrological facts of my chart). It is not easy, especially with my Gemini Sun in the middle. That one always reminds me that the situation like the one you explained, could happen (changing your mind after being sure of one "thing" for years).

Which, of course, complicates the situation even more.

But, that's life. I agree that taking one step at a time and believing in your instincts leads to the solution.

Honestly, regarding this question of mine, I feel like Del Boy from Only Fools and Horses, who, no matter the situation (which was always dire and not as easy as mine), always said; "One day, we're going to be millionaires!"

And he made it.

(Let us put aside the fact it was in a humouristic series lol)

It has nothing to do with the money in my case, but that's in short the way I see my situation.

Thank you so much, once again.

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I think the balance is good. I’m grateful I have the Sag. It helps me to be more flexible. Because ya know life doesn’t always turn out as one expects it too. It helps me fight the fear of the Cap and take more risks ( as I’m older). The Cap took over when I was younger.. and now I’m learning the balance. I actually have to fight through the Cap all the time. Sag helps me to do that.

All we can do is keep walking and believe we will find the right way.

Thank you so much for your answers. I thought a lot about what everyone of you said, and will try to give my perspective as soon as life gives me the chance to relax.

Honestly, I deeply appreciate all of you here who tried to show me things from deep and different perspectives and help me understand the matter.